Ah, sorry.

(See how much I know about this? :P)

:P

I guess there's a lot more waiting to do.

screenshots.debian.net hasn't caught up either.

coughs packages.qa.debian.org/n/nitroshare.html

so basically

for the package, don't rely on packages.u.c

always rely on launchpad

it's the most authoritative source

@ThomasW. Okay, cool.

@ParanoidPanda Which one?

lol

Who's pythoning here ? I haz a question

@Serg hi

@Serg I use a lot python at work. Would not call it "pythoning" but go ahead

@Seth hi there ! How's moderation going ?

@ParanoidPanda nitroshare.net

@ParanoidPanda well what do you think the website for nitroshare is?

@Serg I can help too.

@Serg time consuming D:

there's been a giant pick up in activity - and flags.

Well if Nathan's here I'll just go do something I'm actually good at :D

I'm going to be updating the website later today.

@Chan-HoSuh @NathanOsman OK, I need to perform unit test on my stack + linked list implementation . . .

Okay.

Professor gave us the code for the unit test . . . My only problem is . . . . I don't remember where I should put that code - separate file or inside the linkedlist.py ?

I would put it outside.

use a separate module for that

OK, sooooo . . . .will be back later with unit tests . . .

This package shows you how this might look: github.com/hectane/python-hectane

Notice that they're not in the module that will end up on user's machines.

By the way, I've set up git repo for my class, so if you guys are interested , i'll link it here

@Serg uploads all the poor commits

that'd be me, unfortunately

yawns

@ThomasW. nooooo, I hope to use it as my portfolio in future . . . Only B or above programs go there :P

besides, there is the Dunning-Kruger effect

competent people always underestimate their skill

so Serg's B level is already higher than others

man, this is a typical story, but the other day, my team was interviewing

my manager and someone else interviewed some guy for a lead position

they came back and were discussing him, and the other guy asks my manager, should we bring him back for a more technical interview?

see how he codes, etc?

my manager said, it's not worth seeing him code

he's a python guru but doesn't know what an iterator is?

Hi guys

@Lucio Were you able to recover those files?

@Seth pics are alive again (phew)

\o/

@NathanOsman yassss

That's a good excuse to celebrate.

hahah

@Lucio yay

Thank you guys!

@NathanOsman break out the pie

I'll break out my Pi :)

LOL

@Chan-HoSuh hahahahahaha

@NathanOsman nice ;)

@Chan-HoSuh it's crazy how many utterly incompetent people there are in the programming world..

lol, that moment when you try to downvote a G+ post

@Seth well to be fair, I think sometimes people use rather unrealistic yardsticks to measure competence, but yeah, there are posers for sure

@Seth haha

@Serg so, lighting the code aflame is a bad idea

my friend's favorite example is a former coworker that supposedly had 10 years experience, but for his first deliverable (in C#) he wrote everything in one big main method, including accessing database, etc. Basically he wrote like a script, and the client (who were devs at another company), complained saying how can you write everything in just a main method? Why is there no encapsulation??? And the guy wrote back confidently, "My code is excellent. What is your complaint exactly?"

puts substandard shell scripts into the repository

@Chan-HoSuh o_O

That's... not how to do it... :D

heheh

Only me right now.

lol, @ParanoidPanda stop picking on him

Because I'm making some changes to it that should go out later today and it was easier to wait until then to update the footer? :D

Patience, Mr. Panda. Patience.

@ParanoidPanda Proposal for your next nickname change: Impatient Panda :D

man, that Kung Fu Panda movie was really popular ... packed

Some times being sleep deprived feels weird. Right now i feel like my arms are floating , shrinking and expanding , even though they're flat on the table

@ParanoidPanda The PPA still needs to be updated.

@Serg GET SOME SLEEP!

I was waiting until I was given the green light for ARM builds.

@Serg Seth is right, go to bed

@Seth at work ?

xD

I'm here till 5 pm

huh, hope your work doesn't involve coding

@NathanOsman also consider that the uploaders may be in a cleaning state - hence no uploads to the repositories yet of the binaries

@Serg if you're feeling like that... yeah.

Is poking LP admins to check

Well, I am computer lab technician (translation: that dude who knows how to print pdf file double spaced or powerpoint 3 slides per page)

you're seriously sleep deprived.

man, I always hate it when I'd want the lab guy to show me how to scan a document, and he collapses onto my keyboard so I can't type

@NathanOsman you're familiar with the answer to this question as well right?

@Serg sorry, had to downvote you here: askubuntu.com/a/695945/43660

random query: anyone here have an opinion on regular Kindle versus Kindle Paperwhite in terms of readability/easy-on-the-eyes?

@Chan-HoSuh meh, sometimes you choke on terms, he may perfectally be able to use them - even though on the spot "what's an interator" will get a huh? out of context

@Mateo well, it's an interview for the lead of a team that mostly uses Python, and the context is "what do you know about Python"

I think it's fair to guess that someone who never seems to have heard the term "iterator" will not be able to discuss code intelligently with his team.

Or to put it another way, the standard for that job isn't to hire someone who can just crank out some code, we want someone who can architect and discuss concepts

This answer is wrong: askubuntu.com/a/730541/367990

@ByteCommander I always find bash's spacing requirements irksome..

@ByteCommander if []; then is perfectly valid

@Seth But why? If I write it in one line, Bash will not allow a ";" after the "then". So why can I just break the line there? That makes no sense?

a="it"
if [ "$a" == "it" ]; then
  echo "yes"
fi

hmm, I'm trying to remember the way I like to do it (been a while), but I think I usually prefer the "if []; then " style

@ByteCommander I don't understand your question.

@Seth Yes, I just wrote it as multiline that way myself, but I still don't understand that.

In Bash, if I write multiple commands in one line, I separate them with a ';', right?

yes, or &&, depending on your use case.

And if I write one command over multiple lines, I place a `\` at the end of the line, right?

Just don't use '&' :D

@Chan-HoSuh OK, but why though ? I always expect a comment for downvotes

@ByteCommander yes

@Serg fair enough ... the other answer though is correct. "apt-get install" will install the binary files. Downloading the source and compiling it is more involved, and yeah it can end up being a lot better for your machine, but depends on a variety of factors

And if I write an if statement in one line, it must be for example if [ 1 -eq 1 ] ; then echo yoyoyo ; fi

So then echo yoyoyo is one command, right?

yes

But why can I break it into two lines then without placing an [imagine a single backslash here] at the end of the line, after the then???

ARGH! This backslash just doesn't want to appear correctly.

Cue the XKCD comic...

@NathanOsman which one?

lol

it mocks an issue which is quite irksome :/

like when you try to pass a backslash through something else into regex

`\`

@ByteCommander because bash is smart. (never imagined myself saying that lol)

shairport-sync is a really cool app.

@Chan-HoSuh So I wanted to check out whether the other answer was right, that precompiled version of firefox comes with deb file

DIR:/FOX
skolodya@ubuntu:$ ar vx firefox-locale-en_43.0.4+build3-0ubuntu0.14.04.1_amd64>
x - debian-binary
x - control.tar.gz
x - data.tar.xz

DIR:/FOX
skolodya@ubuntu:$ tar xf data.tar.xz

DIR:/FOX
skolodya@ubuntu:$ tar -xzvf control.tar.gz
./
./md5sums
./preinst
./control

DIR:/FOX
skolodya@ubuntu:$ find . -type f -exec file {} \; | grep -i 'executable'
./preinst: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable

I don't see it

Hmm , OK . . . Found it

Mkay, I'll delete my answer

@Serg good work ... you also got somebody to sign up for an account :)

@Seth Shouldn't we close questions mentioning EOL releases even if the problem is not release-specific? Not only because sometimes a relation might not be obvious (ok, in this question it's clearly unrelated), but also to create some pressure for the users of old releases to upgrade?

we're here to answer questions, not force people to upgrade..

@Seth I suppose you're still running Windows For Workgroups then?

P ;-)

I've been in both software development and in system's admin: if sunset date has passed, you upgrade or live with the consequences IMNSHO.

(but you're the mod, so I'll bow to your wisdom before being smashed into the ground!) ;-)

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW Hey, I actually am! :D

Well, no. But I could. Still have a working i386DX machine with 3.11 installed in my basement.

@ByteCommander I still have a shrink-wrapped MS-DOS 5.5 book and diskettes lying around at home!

The last good DOS manual!

Hmmm... I think I recently threw some DOS manuals out.

6 was a tiny booklet to cut costs...

@ByteCommander shrink-wrapped?

But I should still have one of DOS 6 plus Win 3.11 somewhere.

No, just paper/thin cardboard.

Shrink-wrapped it's worth 50-100$...

I used to have a DVD set with all Windows versions and languages ever released, including Klingon!

(trew it away when we moved from Leuven to Brussels in 1998)

Some joker once at Microsoft translated Windows NT 3.51 to Klingon, just to show that they could do any language!

(Back when Microsoft was still a good company to work for...)

@ByteCommander Back in about 1990, I had a sure-fire way of getting Bill Gates on the line...

You just called Redmond, WA on a Friday-evening after 21:00 and let the phone ring 20 times...

>:-)

wait, you actually called Bill?

Bill hated ringing phones....

So you just called Microsoft HQ general number

(FWIW I live within driving distance of Redmond.. and I know people who know Bill Gates)

had the phone ring for 20 times

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW ahh, nice ;)

and eventually ended up with him as he was a workaholic and hated ringing phones

It took me about three times doing that before I realised I always ended up with the same guy...

and another two to realise I was talking to Bill Gates himself...

:D

xD

It's just not something you expected at the time: he was semi-famous back then...

@hbdgaf Yeah I know.

hahahaha

@Seth I know Bill gates! He just doesn't know me! ;-)

Wow, nice. If you told me that about 2 years ago, back when I still liked Windows, I would have been really jealous. :)

(Or maybe he remembers me as "the crazy Belgian calling late at night"

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW You should have introduced yourself as ambassador Kosh. :D

However, after that your phone number would have landed on their blacklist...

@ByteCommander There was no such thing as Babylon 5 back then...

I doubt Bill Gates watched Babylon 5.

@ByteCommander There was no such thing as Caller-ID back then neither!!!

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW plus this

BRB

smoke...

that's like a question a politician would ask!

ugh.

The accepted answer is epic.

A lot of people are surprised that this question has a valid answer.

@Seth :D :D :D

Perfect answer!

@ParanoidPanda Pumpkin!

I'm amazed some people even know what one-time pads are...

@ThomasW. I don't have enough rep to change "One Time Pad" to "One-Time Pad" here but I suppose you do! :P

@NathanOsman How do you know about one-time pads? Ever done any serious encryption?

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW He doesn't even have an account there..

Ah?

I like my answer here on encryption though

@seth can mods delete accepted answers ?

@Rinzwind o/

@Serg we can

@Serg I can feel another question coming now...

:P

@Seth nuke it -> askubuntu.com/a/695945/295286

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW your vorlon feelings are getting worse :)

No more answers, just nuke it

@Serg ow

@Seth thanks :)

@Serg :D

OK, I have 2 tests failed out of 7, just need to put in an exception for empty stack , and I'm golden . . . I hope

@Seth Screenshot?

thx

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW Really? When did thy start with B5 then? The first episodes looked really old to me...

@ByteCommander 1994

After Windows 95, if I'm not mistaken...

@Seth Ah, well... not in Europe...

Hmmm... Then the first episodes were made in really bad quality, I'd say. :P

that depends.

I think I've seen films with better video quality from earlier years...

WOHOH ! All unit tests passed

@ByteCommander Try watching old Star Trek Episodes: it was shot on video as a CRT TV had line 320x200 resolution...

(looking that up now)

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I'd say one time pads are fairly common knowledge. I was watching a movie and spies were using it... and from what I recall, it's usually mentioned at the beginning of basic books on encryption

@Serg Cliff Richards etc... ;-)

@ByteCommander Cliff who ?

@ByteCommander "The NTSC standard specifies 525 lines at 59.94hz"

@Chan-HoSuh I can also remember it from a text book on encryption, but I (wrongly) supposed most people wouldn't have read that

@Serg congrats on the unit tests... next time, try to write them as developing :p

@Serg Congratulations!

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW it is rather surprising sometimes what it is people do or do not know, but I feel like with one-time pads, it's something maybe where a little knowledge is dangerous. Naively, if an average joe were coming up with encryption, he'd come up with this pretty quickly

@Serg (that Cliff Richard) ----^

@Chan-HoSuh Yeah, we will be doing that probably, but so far we're just starting out, it's the first assignment. So the professor had some unit tests for us

@Chan-HoSuh Nah! They would come up with Caesar's cipher...

(That's what I use to explain to people what cryptography is)

@Serg unhappy days of mocking lie ahead of you... enjoy the fun of unit testing while it lasts :D

@TheBrownOne Zelda?

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I got to make fun of a guy at work the other day for using the caesar cipher

;-)

@Chan-HoSuh using it for what?

explaining smth?

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW Wikipedia has a very droll comment on it saying it was partly effective because Caesar's enemies were mostly illiterate

Or actually using it in production code?

@Chan-HoSuh :D :D :D

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW he used it for passwords

@Chan-HoSuh :O

@TheBrownOne Wow! Worth the money!

(you saved some $$$ on HDD!) :D

@Chan-HoSuh Well, we still use a ton of Roman technology: cement for one!

So why not ciphers? :D :D :D

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I am familiar with a lot of concepts with respect to encryption. I'm not an expert at implementing them by any means.

@NathanOsman In the late 80s, I developed my own encryption Algorithm based on the physical constant e...

This answer forced me to become familiar with a lot of things.

Nowadays it would be woefully inadequate, but back then, it was very random (if you didn't have access to the algorithm)

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW Nice. Doing your own crypto is alright for fun - but I would never use something I wrote myself in production.

@NathanOsman Hey, that was 30 years ago!!!

HTTPS didn't exist 30 years ago :D

There was no public key encryption back then!

@NathanOsman DOS and modems did!

Apparently TLS came around in 1994.

(and PASCAL!)

the story of PGP and Ralph Merkle is one of my favorites

I wish I didn't know Pascal :D

it was just that encypting enything more then 64K was woefully slow...

OK, I've pushed my linked list into git repo, y i no c et

merkle.com/1974

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW That was the size of a memory page, right?

@Serg Which repo.?

@NathanOsman :D :D :D YES! ;-)

github.com/SergKolo/MSUD-CS2050-SPRING-2016.git

@NathanOsman

If you're wondering how come I am familiar with memory address space layout, remember that I once tried to write an x86 compiler :)

@Serg Hmm... have you set the remote correctly in Git?

I wouldn't.

(Assuming the alternative is to buy a Wii.)

@Chan-HoSuh Wow! Much earlier then I thought!

Correction: "TLS 1.0 was first defined in RFC 2246 in January 1999." (source)

N64 was slightly before my time.

I only remember the original Playstation from that time period.

@TheBrownOne Have you played Descent?

(Actually, I'm trying to remember if I knew anyone with the Dreamcast.)

yes.

But I might be slightly biased because nostalgia :P

What is it? (Besides being a game :D)

(no seriously, it was awesome)

@NathanOsman interplay.com/games/descent.php

no, not for 64. It's DOS.

@NathanOsman upgoated

cool! You can get the trials for free online.

1 and 2 were amazing. 3 was mostly meh.

I am confuzzed

skolodya@ubuntu:$ sudo git commit
[sudo] password for xieerqi:
On branch master
Your branch is based on 'origin/master', but the upstream is gone.
  (use "git branch --unset-upstream" to fixup)

nothing to commit, working directory clean

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW Nope, I actually don't have a ton of rep there heh. Spending time on Ask Ubuntu primarily means all my rep is here on Ask Ubuntu.

@Serg did you git add first?

(besides lacking an upstream..)

steals @Serg's repository

@ThomasW. I just assumed you did and didn't check...

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW No worries :)

(as you're a security buff)

@SEth Yeah, I did this :

DIR:/MSUD-CS2050-SPRING-2016
skolodya@ubuntu:$ git remote add origin github.com/SergKolo/MSUD-CS205>;
fatal: remote origin already exists.

DIR:/MSUD-CS2050-SPRING-2016
skolodya@ubuntu:$ git remote add MSUD-CS2050-SPRING2016 github.com/Ser>;

@NathanOsman so, either the uploaders are held up or the universe is slow to sync up - in any case, it will eventually move over - it was autosync'd from Debian

'cause those happen :)

The git remote add command takes two arguments:

    A remote name, for example, origin
    A remote URL, for example, github.com/user/repo.git

@ThomasW. Thanks.

Aren't I supposed to put the name of the repo instead of "origin " ?

git remote add origin URL

if it says origin exists, then...

git remote remove origin
git remote add origin URL

not that I recommend nuking your Origin but...