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Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
10:00 PM
:)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
taking a break, but the why is odd behavior in the middle of the night and sometimes on startup. seems like updates thrown all at once choke my consumer grade router. looking for confirmation before i report it
 
Mateo
Mateo
would be funny to see what they wrote for errors
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
"bad.... so bad. software says hardware choke. hardware says 'what you did?'. doge does not approve."
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Oh hey! @muru Is mod now? I missed the election somehow!
@Fabby riiiight
 
Seth
Seth
@RPiAwesomeness There was no election, he was appointed pro-tem on Vi and Vim :)
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
10:08 PM
Oooh.
Well, congrats @muru either way! :)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
I'ld be interested on the numbers on how many pro-tempores are rated awesome. I'm guessing all of them.
In other news, I got told by two older ladies today "We have collectively decided that you could cook for us any time." I'ld call it a compliment.
 
Seth
Seth
@hbdgaf I'd say it is! Nice job!
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
lol
 
Seth
Seth
@hbdgaf SE does a pretty good job making sure they stay awesome. They get not so awesome ones in from time to time but, as you might expect, they don't usually last long.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
I got to shoot off baking soda & vinegar rockets earlier. Then it devolved into making the rocket, starting the reaction, screwing the top on, shaking it up, and then chucking it as high into the air as possible, running away, and then watching/hearing it explode :D
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
10:14 PM
@RPiAwesomeness We used to do something similar when I was little with Alka Seltzer tablets and water.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Yeah, that or those stomach acid pills and coke
 
Seth
Seth
@RPiAwesomeness That's always fun. next up: coke with mentos. Lots of mentos.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Coke soda that is
That's what it was
Mentos
 
Mateo
Mateo
@RPiAwesomeness :/ they have arrested people for that before... would have been a felony if you are over 18
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
@Mateo Wut
 
Seth
Seth
10:16 PM
You have to get plain mentos those. I tried with the raspberry coated ones and the coating rather ruined the reaction.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
IT'S FRIGGIN BAKING MATERIALS.
 
Mateo
Mateo
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
facepalm our government....
 
Seth
Seth
@Mateo Well that's stupid.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
It wasn't even a bomb....just a water bottle with baking soda & vinegar...
 
Seth
Seth
10:17 PM
@Mateo Oh goodness gracious. That's even worse.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
and, that story was in San Diego. I'm guessing they're a bit more uptight about that sort of thing than my small town.
 
Seth
Seth
facepalm doesn't even cut that.
 
Mateo
Mateo
@RPiAwesomeness which they now consider the same as...
 
Seth
Seth
What kind of idiocy is this?
 
Mateo
Mateo
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
10:20 PM
Honestly. That's ridiculous. it's not like it's going to kill someone...
Well, that second one might of, but vinegar & baking soda rockets aren't going to kill anyone.
 
Seth
Seth
you think that could kill someone?
I mean, anything could kill someone..
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Technically, I can kill someone by looking at them....
Maybe
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Water can kill people. Let's ban water.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
@NathanOsman ikr. Good call, let's get Obama on the phone.
TRIGGER WORDS FOR DAAAAAYS!!! :D
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Don't get me started.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
10:23 PM
Rockets, bombs, explosions, Obama....
What else can we trip the NSA off with...
Honestly. People have become so uptight about stupid regulations and "save the children" that they're taking away any and all forms of fun. No tag, no balls, no vinegar rockets, no merry-go-rounds, no this, no that.
And then they wonder why kids don't play outside any more...
 
Seth
Seth
this ^^
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Yup, so true.
 
Seth
Seth
but that's mostly the courts and lawyers faults.
They shouldn't have started a precedent of accepting stupid cases like that.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Seriously.
Anyways. Enough ranting about the stupidity of our government. I have tacos to eat.
 
Seth
Seth
Yum. Tacos.
Just don't choke on it or next you know tacos will be illegal.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
10:31 PM
Gentlemen, I give you the bacon taco:
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
I weave bacon in to rectangles for sandwiches, but a taco? That just seems like absurdity.
 
Fabby
Fabby
@NathanOsman That's by a dude called "Nick", no "Nathan" to be found in the search on dudefoods.com... :P
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
@Fabby Who cares? Bacon.
 
Fabby
Fabby
General question on American English:
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
 
Fabby
Fabby
10:35 PM
What do you call the time elapsed between committing a crime and the gummint not being able to prosecute any more???
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
^^ bet money that's a white russian.
 
Fabby
Fabby
Statutory limitation is what comes to mind, but I'm unsure...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
statute of limitations.
 
Fabby
Fabby
Thanks!
:-)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
statutory means "not imposed by the victim or theirs, but by the state"
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
10:36 PM
@Fabby May we ask why you want to know this? :P
 
Fabby
Fabby
It's for a job...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
don't ask. for the love of god don't ask.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
:P
 
Fabby
Fabby
They're looking for a cyber security guru...
and I've hacked the mainframe of the federal police of a small country about 25 years ago...
But I can talk about it now, as the statute of limitations has passed...
(actually back then it wasn't even a crime...)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
don't do it. you don't have to be guilty of a crime. legality doesn't matter. just who you make angry.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
10:38 PM
Police had computers back then?
 
Fabby
Fabby
They could only prosecute you for "theft of electricity"
they had mainframes...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Oh.
 
Fabby
Fabby
@hbdgaf Could you elaborate?
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
25 years ago would have roughly been when I was born, so...
 
Fabby
Fabby
(as this is for a US company)
Should I leave that job reference out??? >:)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
10:39 PM
i was just saying, guilt isn't the salient point in a conviction.
 
Fabby
Fabby
Calculating...
Damn! It's been 30 years!
@hbdgaf I don't understand: this is going through a head-hunter...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
and you're not in jail after 30 by not talking about it. if what you're doing is working, keep doing it.
 
Fabby
Fabby
Should I bring up that I know something about security as I've been a black hat 30 years ago?
OK
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
i wouldn't, but i work at walmart... and i'm comfortable with that. so, ymmv.
 
Fabby
Fabby
Got it, but like I said: statute of limitations has passed and back then it wasn't even a crime...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
10:42 PM
Slavery wasn't at one point either, but I wouldn't include that on a resume...
 
Fabby
Fabby
I'll leave it out and start talking about my white hat stuff in the military then...
@NathanOsman :D :D :D
I'm not THAT old!!!
:P
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@Fabby born 1981, so it always existed for me.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
FYI, I'm nearly 80 in penguin years.
 
Fabby
Fabby
And there never was any slavery here in Europe after the Middle Ages!!!
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
"You can't convict me any more" might not be the best resume line item unless you're applying at the reincarnation of enron.
 
Fabby
Fabby
10:44 PM
Thanks for the insight!
:D Enron! You remember that?
SOX I suppose...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
I remember Enron. Then I think about Sarbanes-Oxley. Then I think about Hillary. Then I feel less dirty.
 
Fabby
Fabby
:D
The Clintons are surrounded by dead bodies...
Unfortunately, Hillary has no competition in the Democratic Party...
 
Mateo
Mateo
@Fabby independent volunteer contractor that exposed the vulnerabilities
 
Fabby
Fabby
@Mateo I did that!!!
:D:D:D
Though I should say "we"
(typing in the dark)
 
Mateo
Mateo
yeah, it sounds too complicated to explain as a positive...
 
Fabby
Fabby
10:48 PM
OK, off to write my cover letter!
(it's not in the projects part of the CV anyway as I've got nothing before 2000)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
Just put on your resume "I hacked the Gibson" and call it a day. They won't get the joke anyway, and if they do, you really want to take that interview.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Wait...my trigger words message was removed? Was that not something I should have done...?
@NathanOsman That seems kinda ... ew. Too much bacon all at once.
 
Mateo
Mateo
<redacted>
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
<also redacted>
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
@Mateo Shoot. Tell me you didn't tell them about my off-shore alfalfa stash...
@hbdgaf o.O
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Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
10:56 PM
<redacted>
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@RPiAwesomeness i wasn't kidding
@NathanOsman yes, yes.... we all know edit history is visible.
 
Mateo
Mateo
"whops, where was this chair put again?" - "It looks good by the end table, had to be there"
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
@hbdgaf It is? I thought only mods could see it.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
@hbdgaf That's...more than a little weird.
@NathanOsman Nope, anyone.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Oh.
Even after deletion?
 
Mateo
Mateo
10:57 PM
that would make a good skit, interior designer spy
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@NathanOsman rep buddy, rep
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Yup.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Well... mods do have an extra button that can purge history...
[evil grin]
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
@Mateo Oh, if Monty Python was a modern group, they so would do that :D
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@RPiAwesomeness my box of bullets disappeared, as did my knife, some household chemicals... and the other residents then said something about the ways household chemicals could be combined after i was put out. so, yes... very, very, very odd.
and the carpet was shampooed, and and and... it goes on and on.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
10:59 PM
lol, that's strange
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
i just live alone now. and don't go to conferences.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
Secret Service Dentists? That's close enough.
 
Mateo
Mateo
that was a good one
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
looking at a dog though. dachshund pit mix. really it's a thing.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
... that's wrong...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
11:02 PM
srsly, a co-worker is giving them away.
i'm taking one in if they'll let me.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
O_o
Oh well, a dog's a dog.
Anything is better than getting a cat.
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
they don't actually look like that, more like a really muscular dachshund with a crocodile mouth, but they do exist.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
OOO! Wots that?! It's a bazookah.
xD
 
Fabby
Fabby
@NathanOsman Amen to that!
Cats like eating birds too much for my taste!
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
"It's like a meat-grinder for trespassers, but only from the knees down."
 
Fabby
Fabby
11:05 PM
(and penguins are birds, not?) ;-)
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
They are.
 
Fabby
Fabby
@hbdgaf I would say "From the waist down"
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
@NathanOsman Harumph. If it weren't for your programming expertise I'd have to not be friends with you anymore.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
We can't fly though. (Despite what the BBC will tell you.)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
slide
 
Fabby
Fabby
11:06 PM
Dachshunds can nip your brass ones as easily as your knees! ;-)
 
Seth
Seth
@Fabby Seeing as most predominate Eurpoean countries did not abolish slavery until the 18 or 19th centuries I find this statement inaccurate.
 
Fabby
Fabby
@NathanOsman Look at your brethren fly through water!
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@Fabby not really my problem. haven't met a dog that didn't love me.
 
Fabby
Fabby
@Seth OK, Belgium was only founded in 1830...
And even the Belgians in the Congo didn't have slaves...
Stanley paid his carriers well and that's why he got so far...
(at least: that's what the history books say...)
Before that we were part of France
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Fabby: the Dachshund's most lethal weapon tho, is the sad eyes of doom
 
Fabby
Fabby
11:09 PM
Can't remember Napoleon having slaves...
@JourneymanGeek :D :D :D
Do you in the US call the opposite of "Bonus" also "Malus" (both Latin words) or do you use "penalty"? (which is what comes to my mind?
(my US spell-checker doesn't recognize "Malus")
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
bonus and penalty pairing is more common.
 
Fabby
Fabby
Thanks again...
Anyone feels like reading my cover letter for a CyberGuru job?
(put your US hat on and tell me anything that might be perceived as low-quality)
Name,
I didn't react to that posting back then as I thought it was a more general mail not directed towards me personally.

I've reviewed the posting you sent back in February, and I have only one of the highly recommended certifications your customer is after...

What I do have is 30 years of experience with CyberSecurity, including white-hat hacking of military equipment (30 years ago) to compiling and afterwards just configuring&linking of NetWare Firewalls, (25 Y) using White-listing when Blacklisting was the norm, (20 Y), to dual-firewalling of equipment (15 Y) and performing physical and lo…
"Fabby"
 
Seth
Seth
@Fabby Going from one country in a continent to the entire continent seems a bit of an exaggeration, no? ;)
 
Fabby
Fabby
@Seth Mmmh, maybe???
;-)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
the parens and years is a mistake. stop trying to abbreviate it. just spell it out in sentences. i like reading it that way, but do you really think HR does?
also, a set containing commas is delimited by semicolons.
 
Fabby
Fabby
11:18 PM
@hbdgaf changing...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
I hand a one pager to technical people. I usually hear "Holy crap that is awesome" then they hand it to their boss that expects a more conventional 3 page resume.
 
Fabby
Fabby
@hbdgaf mmmh, I don't see and colons that need semi-colons as delimiters...
@hbdgaf Yeah, that's why I'll include my most recent resume as well.
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
I did this thing, for 25 years; this other thing, for 15 years; and this last thing, for 5 years.
 
Fabby
Fabby
I could include the cover letter in the executive summary of my resume and make it a custom job...
Aaah!
Thanks!
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
Even then, you might not want to write it that way. I was more than once told by a college english professor, "while your sentence structure is correct, it reads poorly. you're trying to say too much without breathing."
 
Fabby
Fabby
11:23 PM
:/
Thinking...
That's just how I am: 120 mph on the German Autobahn!
If the upper management can't handle that, I'm not the right person for the job...
(It's a job quite high up the food chain)
@hbdgaf thoughts?
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
People like simple statements.
It's not that they're stupid.
Okay it's that they're stupid.
Although, that is totally not your fault.

People like simple statements. It's not like they're stupid... well, they are really, but that is not your problem.

Read both of those, and consider which one you would expect on a resume. I would expect the prior.
 
Fabby
Fabby
This is just the cover letter... Not the actual resume...
And I like the latter... (but that's me)
I'll go have a smoke and think and come back and re-write!
:-)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
Me too, but it's not a resume... it's a conversation. Given that it's a cover letter, it should be more conversational, but you put stuff like that to voice in a conversation - not in writing.
 
RPi Awesomeness
RPi Awesomeness
"I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!"
xD wut
 
Fabby
Fabby
How about:
What I do have is 30 years of experience with Cyber-Security though!

This includes white-hat hacking of military equipment 30 years ago but also compiling, configuring&linking NetWare Firewalls 25 years ago.

Processes I designed and enforced used Whitelisting when Blacklisting was the norm 20 years ago and had equipment already dual-firewalled more then 15 Years ago.

As you know from my CV one of the new business units I started performed physical and logical security audits 10 years ago and I've always been protecting any physical equipment&software (including lately, new-fangled "Docke…
@hbdgaf That's it... Should I change anything else?
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
11:42 PM
What I do have is 30 years of experience with Cyber-Security.

This does not only include white-hat hacking of military equipment 30 years ago, but also compiling, configuring, & linking NetWare Firewalls 25 years ago.

Processes I designed and enforced used Whitelisting when Blacklisting was the norm. This was 20 years ago. Dual-firewalled equipment was also used, more then 15 Years ago.

As you know from my CV, one of the new business units I started performed physical and logical security audits 10 years ago, and I've always been protecting any physical equipment & software. This incl…
 
Fabby
Fabby
@hbdgaf :-) Copy-paste is the only thing I can do now...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
a tag-along though makes you sound amateurish. ampersand instead of and also says i'm lazy. combining compiling and linking with firewalls makes people's brains hurt. do you mean you built firewalls from source or that you combined firewalls in some tiered thing? clarify. calling Docker 'newefangled "Docker" infrastructure' says I don't like change. you want to be happy changing with their changes, not resist and go to what you know.
 
Fabby
Fabby
(and change the "Medieval castle model" to "walled garden model"
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
beat you to it
 
Fabby
Fabby
@hbdgaf built firewalls from partial source first and afterwards used linking only...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
11:48 PM
I'ld clarify that.
 
Fabby
Fabby
Novell's NetWare was a bit of a kludge in its first few iterations.
Instead of installing exes, you had to build the exes yourself by using a linker and config files...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
I wouldn't clarify that... if they're a netware shop, you don't want to say "By the way, your solution screams 'Here comes the kludge!!!'."
 
Fabby
Fabby
not exes, but comarable
no one uses NetWare any more....
The last time I had to use my NetWare skills was to convert an old legacy machine to a
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Except the people who have a mysterious walled up server no one can find.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MONTRESOR!
 
Fabby
Fabby
Windows machine which could then be virtualised...
 
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
11:51 PM
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Q: Why is setting up WLAN in Debian so hard? (compared to Ubuntu)

relascopeswitching from Ubuntu 14.04 to Debian jessie (LXDE) on a ThinkPad T500 Lan (eth0) is configured in /etc/network/interfaces and works fine. After setting up LXDE i wanted to switch to WLAN and it lasted hours to get it running. tried wicd and network-manager with different configurations and br...

debian ubuntu networking wlan
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
Maybe they need someone to finish a migration... you never know.
 
Fabby
Fabby
@JourneymanGeek exactly!
No one dares touch it because it's all weirdo stuff that breaks when you even look at it!
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
(sadly, that's as much a b5 reference as a poe reference. I heard the line on b5 first ;p)
 
Fabby
Fabby
;-)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
shhhhhh don't tell roland you like babylon5
he likes kittens and syrup, but not babylon 5
 
Fabby
Fabby
11:54 PM
Babylon 5 was the best SF series ever written, except maybe FireFly...
Anyway, removed all & and clarified:
This does not only include white-hat hacking of military equipment 30 years ago, but also coding, compiling, and linking firewalls 25 years ago.
just left NetWare out of the pic as it's old and irrelevant tech...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
it's missing a comma
 
Fabby
Fabby
like that?
It that correct US typography?
we don't put commas before ands
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
 
Fabby
Fabby
:D
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@Fabby yes, like that
 
Fabby
Fabby
11:57 PM
OK... Looks weird to me...
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
[coding, compiling, linking] is a set. so you get a comma between each one. [coding, [compiling, linking], installing] would be formatted differently. make more sense?
the latter would be coding, compiling and linking, and installing
 
Fabby
Fabby
I had to read that 3 times to understand it!
 
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