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4:00 PM
not a lot this cycle, nothing too bad.
 
appears.
 
guess 12.10 will come with some new features to test → more breakage! :)
 
hi
 
jrg
Yeah, 12.10 will be rocky. I keep hearing rumours that we'll finally see a tech preview of wayland, that we'll switch to btrfs and that the world will end before SRUs can be shipped. :D
howdy ThinkDifferent.
 
4:02 PM
@ThinkDifferent Hello
 
Going good and you?
Hello.
 
@jrg Yeah, we were definitely promised a Wayland preview.
I'm looking forward to that.
 
Wayland FTW!
 
jrg
@GeorgeEdison Whats really funny is you can get a pretty decent wayland OS right now - just download the Rebecca Black OS.
 
Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)

Make sure the kernel module has been loaded successfully.
 
4:03 PM
Whaaa
 
Er... the what?
 
jrg
I'm not pulling your leg - ubuntuvibes.com/2012/02/…
 
I am getting while running Ubuntu 11.04 in Virtual Box in Mac.
 
It runs one time only and after shutting down, it shows me same error :(
 
jrg
4:04 PM
@ThinkDifferent Weird...
 
yeah, it is.
 
jrg
So you tried to install the guest additions for 11.04?
 
It will run if I delete Ubuntu and then reinstall .iso file.
 
jrg
@AmithKK Yeah, I know.
 
Not bad!
I really dont get why we hate Justin and Rebecca
 
4:06 PM
Am I looking with name ThinkDifferent? As I can see my name is Rock.
 
jrg
@ThinkDifferent Hm. I'm not sure what is going.
 
@AmithKK So you have got the bieber fever ?
 
@HackToHell Nooooooooooooo
 
lol
What abt him?
 
What about VC2 launched?
 
4:08 PM
@HackToHell He's yet another singing homo sapien to me
I delete that
 
"I'm using Rebecca Black" - what? :D
4
 
ok,so you like him.
 
jrg
@ThinkDifferent Hm. 32 or 64 bit 11.04?
 
@HackToHell No, I dont want to be run over by thousands of teen girls
 
@AmithKK A teen boy vs loads of teen girls :D
 
jrg
4:12 PM
Nah, funerals are more expensive than living for most people.
 
@ThinkDifferent nice, but shipping takes some time :'(
 
"Hey, I want some help. I have problems with my Rebecca black"
 
Who cares :)
 
@HackToHell I think he means VC by @StefanoPalazzo
 
4:13 PM
@AmithKK what's VC ?
 
@jrg i'll donate my organic waste to medicine. 0$.
 
jrg
@ThinkDifferent I'm stumped.
Might want to ask on the site.
 
Nvm, I am dropping an idea of using ubuntu anyways, It sucks.
 
@jrg IRC pl0x
 
jrg
4:16 PM
@ThinkDifferent Why is that?
@AmithKK I've been on IRC.
 
I tried many times but same issue, It runs first time only.
I am downloading 11.10 lets see, but that would be last attempt.
 
jrg
Well, ask on the site, thats what its for.
Because there are people who know more about VirtualBox and Ubuntu than I do, and they are on the site watching the tags.
 
> [RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe) → lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-March/034970.html
\o/
 
I think this is a issue of Virtual Box, I found this and this
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Q: VirtualBox kernel module not loaded in mac os x

dacongyVirtualBox on my Lion OS complains that some kernel modules are not loaded. Here are the error messages: Failed to open a session for the virtual machine 11.10. The virtual machine '11.10' has terminated unexpectedly during startup with exit code 1. Result Code: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005...

 
@jrg Look in the IRC please
 
4:22 PM
@htorque oh yes... I don't get why it exists at all - it's not like doing a dual boot installation is difficult! (at least not since 11.04 or 11.10)
just one more part that can break.
 
jrg
@AmithKK Yeah i see it
@ThinkDifferent So it looks like its a VirtualBox and Mac thing, not a Ubuntu thing.
(granted, Ubuntu has a similar problem when it doesn't do it right)
 
@StefanoPalazzo @htorque Wubi reduces the barrier to entry for non-technical people to a much lower level. The LiveCD burning and BIOS activation process is a HUGE hurdle that is easy for people like us to forget.
 
Hmm, what next?
 
It's a shame Wubi doesn't get more love
 
i have seen enough non-technical people doing just fine with installing ubuntu alongside windows.
 
jrg
4:24 PM
@ThinkDifferent Did you run that command in the stackoverflow post?
 
@JacobJohanEdwards maybe there should be a tool, a subset of wubi, to work around those problems only
 
@jrg Out of my head.
 
Former user testing has indicated otherwise. Let's see if I can dig up the link...
 
jrg
What does that mean?
 
@JacobJohanEdwards also, I only ever heard of people having problems with Wubi, naturally. there are probably thousands and thousands of people for whom it worked brilliantly.
so I don't think I want to say it's as bad as CCSM
 
4:28 PM
@JacobJohanEdwards yeah, they're just picking the wrong users for those tests. all the time. ;-)
 
jrg
@StefanoPalazzo its very, very very hard to imagine a tool worse than CCSM.
(for me at least)
 
we've had loads of them, until a while ago
 
@jrg Not getting.
 
remember xorg.conf for example, that was pretty atrocious
 
Bundle up. Its gonna get chilly
 
jrg
4:29 PM
Oh yeah, true. xorg.conf still is a PITA for those of us with ATI cards.
 
uses cryokinesis to cool room to -255C
 
@AmithKK forecast says 20°C this week
\o/
 
and how about YaST :D
 
xorg.conf isn't user friendly but it never caused any troubles here.
@StefanoPalazzo → THIS ←
 
Eh, can't find the link. A year or so ago, there was a faction of UX in Canonical that was pushing for Wubi by default (with a migration to separate partition later) because some users they tested the install process with had trouble getting computers to boot from the CD.
 
jrg
4:32 PM
I think I remember reading that.
 
@htorque well, put it into google. linux forums in around 2000-2008 were about 50% xorg.conf related topics, it seems
 
but i can imagine not a lot of testers are willing to install windows to give wubi the thorough testing needed to make it default...
@StefanoPalazzo my old CRT had no EDID, so i read at least half of those posts :D
 
getting tv-out to work was a challenge, but it worked fine after doing lots of reading.
 
I've got an nvidia card now, and intel before that. during and after the install, I think it used the open source driver. apart from two clicks to install the evil driver, this worked perfectly
ati can't be that far behind
 
jrg
4:35 PM
oh, it isn't.
 
it's way more than that behind. :D
 
jrg
pre-oneiric it was pretty bad.
and now, there isn't really a reason to do it in 12.04 (at least for me), the open source driver is pretty good.
 
but whenever i read about visual artifacts, it's 90% ati.
 
great. so 2012 will not be the year of the linux deskop? :-(
 
BBT
 
4:38 PM
2012 won't even be a whole year, so: no. :P
 
Oli
I can't wait for the (closed) ATI drivers to stop sucking. Two monitors (all that nvidia will support on one card) are not enough.
 
[hope the maya knew about leap day]
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jrg
The closed ATI drivers suck a lot. They want me to restart my Xserver for every single little change I make.
 
@htorque that's clever :)
I someone else should find out whether the world would have already ended, with leap days
 
has it started yet? :D
 
4:43 PM
yes :-)
@htorque en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_Principle ← because here we are, talking about it
 
are we?
:D
 
maybe i'm just some subatomic particle dreaming all this
@StefanoPalazzo :D
 
@htorque: no. I'm a subatomic particle dreaming that you are dreaming all of this.
Subatomiception!
 
ok lets make some games!!!
 
5:05 PM
@NiekBergman :D
@rlemon 63 fps?
make it faster!
 
requestAnimationFrame === 60fps
remove requestAnimationFrame and it should go faster
@htorque you're eyes only see at 32fps?
make them faster!
 
5:35 PM
would 1000 TB's be a gigaflop?
 
1024TB
however flops are performance.
not size/memory
 
OH yeah...
like measuring the speed of light
 
{| class="infobox" |+ Computer performance ! Name ! FLOPS |- ! yottaFLOPS | 1024 |- ! zettaFLOPS | 1021 |- ! exaFLOPS | 1018 |- ! petaFLOPS | 1015 |- ! teraFLOPS | 1012 |- ! gigaFLOPS | 109 |- ! megaFLOPS | 106 |- ! kiloFLOPS | 103 |} In computing, FLOPS (or flops or flop/s, for floating-point operations per second) is a measure of a computer's performance, especially in fields of scientific calculations that make heavy use of floating-point calculations, similar to the older, simpler, instructions per second. Since the final S stands for "second", conservative speakers consider "FLOPS" as...
 
so would that be like saying how many times you can flop a computer onto itself before breaking?
 
you're looking for a Petabyte
 
5:38 PM
@rlemon ahh yes petabyte!
1 million gigabytes!
 
1 048 576 GB actually.
;)
 
or 1015 B
whoops
no formatting...
 
10^15
 
yeah that
 
What is the "Grave" button? http://askubuntu.com/questions/114578/what-is-the-grave-button?atw=1 #unity
 
5:52 PM
> Adjusted recording window is set to: X:0 Y:4 Width:1920 Height:1072
recordmydesktop - y u no work?
 
yeeey \m/ successful Kolab installation though I had to use centOS :DDDD
anyways hi all
 
oh i get it - video res must be dividable by 16. what happened to the good old 'dividable by 4'? :D
 
jrg
@rlemon Maxes out at 32 fps for me.
 
6:15 PM
@jrg what in the hell is going on?! I've seen all over the board and i've had two canvas game developers tell me that is how I should be doing it!
 
jrg
Could be that I'm not using the proprietary GPU drivers?
 
i'm on intel! :P
 
jrg
Chromium @htorque?
 
yes
 
jrg
Weird. shrug
 
6:19 PM
throw it away :P
 
@jrg i think you're 32 is because i'm using window.requestAnimationFrame
so it's determining the best speeds for you and not just maxing it.
 
jrg
I max out at 32, the average is more like 10-20. :p
 
wowza
kk i'll look into why
I need a solid boilerplate for canvas development.
I wanna start getting into it.
 
6:34 PM
@rlemon: I have something you might be interested in.
 
low-quality, full-res desktop recording enabled
 
Be sure to take a look at the example file.
 
stupid pixel bug must die!
i'm surprised how good 15fps look (as long as you don't move windows around like crazy)
 
@GeorgeEdison looks interesting. Ive recently created an openid/php/twitter bootstrap MVC template. I should clean it up some and put it in a repo.
 
6:49 PM
@rlemon That sounds interesting - especially the OpenID part.
 
It's a shitty little implementation but it works.
user clicks their openid login of choice - authenticates on the openid server - back to check if they have a identity already - if not ( register, filling out any applicable profile data ) else ( login to profile using openid identity and redirect )
auth classes and openid helper functions are totally reusable
 
@StefanoPalazzo :)...
 
Hello!
I'm now on my phone.
 
Is @StefanoPalazzo around?
 
does anyone know where can I follow ubuntu for phones?
as in development for ubuntu for phone?
 
jrg
7:23 PM
@StefanoPalazzo You sir, are a freakin' genius. - github.com/sfstpala/Plus-4 You have no idea how useful Plus 4 is being to me right now.
Mainly because it does window size in pixels, not columns/lines
 
7:44 PM
@jrg In reference to the ATI binary driver suxor discussion, I'm using them for 3 monitors. I seriously considered doing an alternate install and launching with startx instead of booting straight to a desktop until I got X11 sorted. It works for me mostly though.
 
7:55 PM
/dm/bin/rtcs:  1: 8â– â– t: not found
/dm/bin/rtcs:  2: â– â– : not found
/dm/bin/rtcs:  3: rtcs:: not found
/dm/bin/rtcs:  5: To: not found
/dm/bin/rtcs:  6: Valid: not found
/dm/bin/rtcs:  8: Syntax error: newline unexpected
worst error messages ever
i'm in rtcs.c and im not seeing any of this.
 
maybe part of a build script?
 
lemmy check
OBJS = rtcs_main.o
HDIR = ../h
DMHDRS = $(HDIR)/dm.h

DMLIBDIR = ../lib
DMLIBS = $(DMLIBDIR)/rtdb.lib

CC = 			cc
CFLAGS  =	-g2 -DDEBUG -DDEBUG_ERR -ml -zp2 -I./ -I$(HDIR)
LDFLAGS =	-g2 -DDEBUG -DDEBUG_ERR -ml -zp2 -Wl,"l $(DMLIBDIR)/rtdb"
#CFLAGS  =	-DDEBUG_ERR -O -ml -zp2 -I./ -I$(HDIR)
#LDFLAGS =	-DDEBUG_ERR -O -ml -zp2 -Wl,"l rtdb"
COMPILE.c =	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c
LINK.c = 	$(CC) $(LDFLAGS)

BIN=../bin

rtcs:	$(OBJS) $(DMLIBS)
	$(LINK.c) -o $@ $(OBJS)
   usemsg $@ rtcs.use
   cp -t rtcs $(BIN)/rtcs
nothing is jumping out at me
 
doesn't look like the is anything in build
 
hrm. not a complete makefile.
 
7:58 PM
Yea?
 
regardless this is a working subsystem from another platform.
so I know the build works.
 
hrmm
 
I'm just trying to fix up all the crap bugs and environment changes between them .
@OctavianDamiean I want it on the inside of the cup
that way I remember to "Ask" for more coffee when i'm done.
 
Fabulous idea.
 
ohh by environment changes do u mean there are few bin files missing?
 
8:00 PM
not missing - added.
 
hmm
 
I'm just adding more utilities - get it working - trim the fat.
it's coming from QNX4
 
ohh ok
thats all I could think of :(
 
problem is I have no concept of QNX - only a half assed concept of how things work in linux / and a limited grasp on how the application actually works (i've bug fixed some subsystems but it is a large system. now I have to manage the entire thing)
 
lol I don't even know wat is that
:P
 
8:02 PM
QNX4 is a unix like RTOS
 
ohh embedded OS?
if thats the case then proper arch toolchain?
 
no the RT portion of the OS was not needed.
hence moving to the more stable linux kernel.
running on an AMD geode lx 800
too much jitter for the rtos
 
doesn't look like I can help :-/
 
lol
yea i'm not liking this.
lol
me: "Hey boss, you know that thing you hired me to do"
boss: "yea"
me: "Well I don't like it, can I do something else?"
 
geode specofoc forums?
haha
wish we all can
 
8:26 PM
ok can anyone tell me how can this be done: a very minimal but very stable host and bunch of virtual machines
wat would you choose as host and why?
I don't have problem with RAM / processing power (at least thats wat I think)
with newer processor I don't assume I need special kernel for optimum performance of v box
right? or do I ?
 
@wisemonkey you need to enter ccms and under Display -> Performance -> Utilities select Unicorn Powered VM
problem solved
</troll> I wish I could help
 
aww damn I couldn't get unicorn to power my VM
to do search for Unicorn
 
8:43 PM
Hey guys
any 12.04 beta users?
 
hey hey and not me
 
8:57 PM
@shookees I was for a bit(when it was alpha), but I dropped back to 11.10
@wisemonkey FreeBSD and virtualbox-ose
vboxmanage for all your scripting needs
 
Bounty offered: Strange screen after boot loader? http://askubuntu.com/questions/105437/strange-screen-after-boot-loader?atw=1 #boot
 
@aking1012: thanks :) just to make sure -- I've never ever user any BSD, for host (which will only be used to start vms) it shouldn't have any issue right?
 
it's kind of a pain to get working, but it's all in "the manual"
 
ok cool I'll give BSD a try in one of the vms first :)
 
FreeBSD specifically has an epic "the manual" here freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook
 
9:02 PM
wow thats quite some manual
ohh one more question wats difference between free and open bsd -- same as a difference between free and open source software?
 
it's a really abstract explanation, but openbsd is kind of like the linux kernel and freebsd is kind of like ubuntu with jockey
 
and should I go with 64 bit or 32 bit host? I'm assuming 64 bit as it allows any guest OS
 
netBSD of course it runs on netbsd
 
@aking1012 ohh I was considering something quite different thanks :)
 
@wisemonkey if you wanted to be as stringent about must be FOSS to be in the kernel for a BSD OS you would arrive at openbsd. if you wanted to arrive at i'll accept some binary drivers so i can have pretty for BSD OS you would arrive at freeBSD
also much of the closed source binary/package compatibility comes from a linux abstraction layer so...just saying. in case anyone things i'm all about the BSD despite being in a linux room. it does 'borrow' a lot of stuff
 
9:15 PM
@aking1012: I do support FOSS but for this particular scenario I'll go with freeBSD -- vms will mostly be used for web services and I don't want to play with host a lot
 
@wisemonkey - agreed. All about the FOSS and linux, but when it comes to infinte stable you can't beat BSD...the trade-off is ease of use and hardware compat
 
hmm
 
 
2 hours later…
10:58 PM
@MarcoCeppi: What do you think of Juice Builder?
I'm looking for an expert opinion :)
 
heck, the new (gtk?) color chooser doesn't seem to have an eyedropper...
 
That's the new color chooser?
 
hopefully a stop gap
gedit still shows the sane one
i really dislike the new spinner buttons, though.
 
11:14 PM
At least the buttons aren't really tiny.
 
to compensate that, the window resize borders are back to super-thin (hard to grab)
:P
 
11:45 PM
Great answer: What exactly does Zeitgeist index? http://askubuntu.com/questions/113270/what-exactly-does-zeitgeist-index/113453?atw=1#113453 #search
 
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