Ask Ubuntu General Room

3:02 PM

true. though that assumes the askee returns to accept the best answer (what in some cases I've seen did not happen: askee's tend to favour the 1st answer).

htorque

Daniel, Oslo, Norway

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opera guy \o/

Rinzwind

you are one too?

hey he got 5 rep after you made that ss >:D

htorque

he's with the opera dev team

i'm with the opera browser :D

aka user

Rinzwind

hmmm help.ubuntu.com/community/Macmini4-1/Lucid do you think they fixed this problem

ha! help.ubuntu.com/community/Macmini4-1/Maverick

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

Black screen when booting Ubuntu 11.04 on Macmini4,1 http://bit.ly/lOYLm5 #1104

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on May 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Octavian Damiean

3:38 PM

ello

Takkat

Hi @OctavianDamiean

(was logged out because of frequent box-switching)

htorque

@OctavianDamiean hi

Rinzwind

good afternoon @OctavianDamiean :)

my house is starting to smell nice (there's a whole chicken in the oven)

htorque

@OctavianDamiean what's up in vienna?

►

were they mad because the football was so bad? :D

Octavian Damiean

@htorque not a soccer fan so I don't know neither care :D

is a Formula 1 fan

Rinzwind

3:45 PM

Austrian police O

htorque

ok ;)

Takkat

I always thought Austrian people are all peaceful

htorque

not when it comes to football :D

Rinzwind

@Takkat football ;)

lol

Takkat

obviously ;)

htorque

3:47 PM

wait, world war 1, world war 2 - austrians all peaceful? :D

ok, no politics in here :D

Takkat

was talking in present :P

envies @Rinzwind

Kaustubh P

Umm, sorry to interrupt, I cant find the word for: "BMWs have kidney grilles, Porsches have round headlamp. Each car has a signature style" What is that distinction called?

Rinzwind

mine does not have a fork up its behind (it's in an alumium case)

htorque

looks tasty

Octavian Damiean

meh by the looks of the video it is just a bunch or morons yelling at each other

Kaustubh P

3:48 PM

Other than "signature style"

Octavian Damiean

that and a waste of our taxes due to a massive police intervention

Takkat

@OctavianDamiean that's a lie: the P'men were already there and don't get payed more

htorque

must be awesome for the fans that paid for the game ;D

@Takkat but they only had to be there because of the morons

Octavian Damiean

@Takkat yea on a Sunday!

oh wait

that was the 22nd

oh wait today is the 22nd :D

Takkat

you're ok @OctavianDamiean?

htorque

3:51 PM

you alright? :D

Octavian Damiean

heh yea :p

just a bit tired

meh

htorque

@KaustubhP feature? characteristic?

Octavian Damiean

brand recognition

Takkat

bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Uniquely/Design/…

@KaustubhP Signature Elements!

htorque

part of the corporate identity?

like in wrestling: signature move :D

Octavian Damiean

3:56 PM

actually @Takkat is right, the distinctive signature elements help to create brand recognition

Kaustubh P

Ahhhh! Bing! that was the.. never mind

at a loss of words today

Takkat

They say for BMW the "Roundel" is the most significant. lol

Octavian Damiean

oh rly? :D

Kaustubh P

what happened to the kidney grille?

htorque

they ran out of kidneys

Octavian Damiean

3:58 PM

it was stolen on a visit to Bosnia

at least one of them

htorque

I'M SO SORRY

Takkat

still there plus the "Hofmeister Kink" whatever that is

Rinzwind

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Q: How do I specify several folders (/tmp and /var for instance) to mount in a same partition using the installer?

Hi! I my next Ubuntu installation I want to put /var and /tmp folders together in the same partition, but differente from /. It's possible to do this from installer menu? As far as I know you can only select a folder from several options to mount in a certain partition. Thanks.

installation mount menu folder

Octavian Damiean

I was about to say, the what?!

Rinzwind

question on previous link: WHY?

Takkat

4:00 PM

@Rinzwind because :P shrugs

Rinzwind

@OctavianDamiean en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeister_kink ;)

Takkat

this? No idea where on a car that would be

htorque

back side window

never heard of it

Takkat

Very disitinct :/

lol

htorque

the most distinct design feature EVAR!

Takkat

4:03 PM

like the "four wheel feature"!

htorque

it also has round wheels

LOL

Takkat

revolutionary!

rofl

Rinzwind

question: what is "t" at the end of the permissions?

drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 4096 2011-05-22 17:47 tmp

tmp?

Takkat

@Rinzwind sticky bit?

Rinzwind

that's "s" @Takkat

and iirc is at the front ;)

Takkat

4:10 PM

Sticky bit

In computing, the sticky bit is an access-right flag that can be assigned to files and directories on Unix systems. History The sticky bit was introduced in the Fifth Edition of Unix in 1974 for use with pure executable files. When set, it instructed the operating system to retain the text segment of the program in swap space after the process exited. This speeds up subsequent executions by allowing the kernel to make a single operation of moving the program from swap to real memory. Thus, frequently-used programs like editors would load noticeably faster. One notable problem with "stickie...

damn s = setuid

ducks

kicks @Takkat

ducked earlier :P

@Rinzwind fell while kicking air :P

Rinzwind

I hope I answered it correctly _O-

Takkat

4:13 PM

needs to prepare bbq bbl

Octavian Damiean

oh right that thing

Rinzwind

another 200 rep day \p

Octavian Damiean

wow nice one!

Rinzwind

hmm

8 in 22 :D

@htorque @MarcoCeppi askubuntu.com/questions/44477/… ROFLROFL

@others: read this 1st:meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1409/…

lol

htorque

:D

Rinzwind

4:29 PM

omg Oli put the warning back into the question :D
damn you lot are funny :D :D

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Q: How to enable root login?

I would like to enable the root account on my Ubuntu installation. I realise the security implications of this. Mod Warning: Running as root is a bad idea - You never need to do it but if you do you can very easily and irreparably destroy your system and your data.

root users user-accounts

Marco Ceppi

Is @Oli in here?

Rinzwind

can't you pm him? :D

abuse the flag system to get him here _O-

htorque

hm, you can't paste in unity's run dialog

i hope that's already a bug report

cannot paste into dash (particularly relevant for alt+f2)

Binary package hint: unity For instance: 1. copy "ubuntu-bug unity" onto the clipboard 2. press alt+f2 to open the dash 3. ctrl+v 4. see screenshot ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04 Package: unity 3.6.4-0ubuntu1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-6.34-generic 2.6.38-rc7 Uname: Linux 2.6.38-6-generic x86_64 Architecture: amd64 CompizPlugins: [core,bailer,detection,composite,opengl,compiztoolbox,decor,resize,regex,vpswitch,move,animation,imgpng,shift,mousepoll,grid,gnomecompat,place,workarounds,wall,wobbly,expo,ezoom,staticswitcher,session,fade,scale,unityshell] Date: Wed Mar 16 16:34:02 2011 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Alpha amd64 (20110127) ProcEnviron: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: unity UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2011-03-09 (6 days ago)

unity (Ubuntu)

Low / Confirmed

:-)

hey, didn't the chat do bug parsing?

Marco Ceppi

It does. It's picky on the formatting

It follows the format of https://bugs.launchpad.net/<SOFTWARE>/+bug/<BUG_ID nothing else will work.

Oli

@Rinzwind @Marco Well you either put the warning in the question or you have it in every answer that accomplishes the same dangerous outcome. In-the-question seems like a cleaner, more direct solution.

Marco Ceppi

4:38 PM

@Rinzwind I added a friendly version of @Oli's warning message. All bold is overkill

Rinzwind

ok @MarcoCeppi

Oli

For allowing graphical root login, overkill doesn't exist.

Marco Ceppi

Here is said friendly version

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A: How do I edit a file / launch an app without having to worry about "permission denied" messages?

Warning: Running as root is a bad idea You never need to do it but if you do you can very easily and irreparably destroy your system and your data. Probably most of the pro Linux users will angry about this but just use root account. I am a long time Windows user and when i start to use...

htorque

@MarcoCeppi thanks, noted :)

Marco Ceppi

@Oli In that question it would seem the question is the best place - but for the second question "in question" the solution doesn't always have to be "use root, lol" so per answer makes more sense

Oli

4:40 PM

@MarcoCeppi Yeah agreed

Marco Ceppi

In regards to the meta question, I still stand by my point. I was having a talk with a friend of mine regarding teaching kids about sex. In the end it's inevitable that kids are going to have sex, it's only a matter of time. Why not get it out, arm them with knowledge, and guide them on the "right path" (which ever that is) instead of having them trial and error.

Users are going to find out how to enable root, I think we should teach them how with the heavy caution of "You can severely break your system"

Mass ping @Oli @htorque @Rinzwind

Rinzwind

I am eating a chicken ;) Ill read it in a minute :D

Octavian Damiean

@Rinzwind can't you just multi-task?

Rinzwind

yes I can :D

Problem with this is that I agree with both.
The rigid UF idea of (giving users that post it a warning or infraction at the discretion of the staff) I believe to be overkill and even counterproductive: users will then find it elsewhere and just to annoy the UF mods use it anyways.
On AU a user can only tell a user to be cautious and read up on what they are suggesting. Censorship must be avoided at any cost so deleting q and a's is out of the question. So a notice is all we can do. I would though think it would be best to warn in both the q and the a.

htorque

@MarcoCeppi i'm fine with putting fat warnings everywhere :)

Rinzwind

4:55 PM

@htorque marquee and blink?

htorque

definitely marquee, but blink is overkill imho

same for recursive chmod :P

Rinzwind

@StefanoPalazzo osd? >:D

that is possibly the most edited answer I have on AU :D

Stefano Palazzo

it is?

Rinzwind

yeah that BFW (big fat warning) has been going from q to a and back _O-

Stefano Palazzo

oh I see, yes :-)

:P

good afternoon by the way :-)

Octavian Damiean

4:59 PM

ello

Rinzwind

I was about the edit the k ;) I keep writing it with a c :P

Stefano Palazzo

I understand. I can never remember whether it's "disk" or "disc"

Rinzwind

@StefanoPalazzo how did you know I can read German? >:D

Stefano Palazzo

oops

Rinzwind

>:D

Stefano Palazzo

5:01 PM

damn you google

Rinzwind

oh man you lot kill me from laughing :D

Stefano Palazzo

am I late to notice this? :O

Octavian Damiean

this is damn old

it is wrong tho

there are 269 answers not 31

Rinzwind

5:16 PM

lol

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Q: Are (wild) elephants afraid of mice?

Source I have heard from people working in zoos that the myth of elephants being afraid of mice is not true. Here is a short video of a zoo elephant clearly not caring about a mouse. I don't find it surprising that such a domesticated elephant has learned that mice pose no danger, but what a...

biology animals zoology

Alvar

It's now a community wiki! :D

I think :P

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean hey indeeed

I wonder what sort of data google is using there

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

6:15 PM

Where's the Gnome Nanny blacklist repo? http://bit.ly/mNQJyA #parentalcontrols

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on May 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM

htorque

7:22 PM

weekend already over? feels like it didn't even start. :(

Takkat

7:34 PM

@htorque you say it :(

htorque

just to make sure: today is sunday, right?

Takkat

feels like friday, but yes. Sunday evening (almost monday)

I vote for weekends to be at least 3 (better 4) days long

htorque

replicators would fix everything!

but instead they install Takkat-absorbers

Takkat

only if there are more replicants than absorbers :P

htorque

(which tend to work on other guys too :P)

Takkat

7:39 PM

they are open source - so every boss can build them (being one of them too)

TheX

who is your boss

Takkat

a super-absorber

htorque

have been lazy last week, so it's not just going to be monday - it's going to be über-shi**y lame-o-monday

TheX

oh ****... tomorrow is monday isn't it?

Takkat

Hi @TheX btw

TheX

7:41 PM

@Takkat hi

Takkat

were lamenting on that - yes ü-s-l-o-monday

htorque

:P

Takkat

:)

htorque

can't we all agree on tomorrow being sunday?

Takkat

\o/ best idea EVER

htorque

7:42 PM

i just sleep till 9 and wait what's going to happen :D

already feels a kick in the rear-end

Takkat

we don't have the power :'(

Octavian Damiean

tomorrow is Sunday, done

Takkat

i should tell the absorbers the truth: I am ill - can't work - wouldn't do good work either

@OctavianDamiean come on, you had that before!

Truth always pays out!

htorque

true that

Takkat

truth is: tomorrow is monday

does not pay out

htorque

7:50 PM

hooray, way to end a weekend: reputation 214 :D

hm, i'd like to trade that for a free day :D

anyone?

Takkat

only if I get that free day and you go to work for me :P

htorque

so you are okay with spending some extra hours on fixing what i screwed up during that day? :D

Takkat

that'll be perfect if I don't have to go there tomorrow :P

htorque

you live from day to day? are you that old? :D

Takkat

@htorque i come to the age when you don't have time for anything

No, I'm not that old.

htorque

7:56 PM

:D

Octavian Damiean

8:08 PM

@Takkat what exactly do you do for a living?

htorque

he's testing absorbers :D

Octavian Damiean

sounds quite horrifying

Takkat

I work in an absorber plant

my job is to keep them out

of my office

Octavian Damiean

heh

Takkat

@OctavianDamiean it is horrifying

James Gifford

8:12 PM

wassup?

Takkat

Hi @JamesGifford :)

do you know how to stop monday to arrive?

James Gifford

How's it going? And sadly I don't. :(

Takkat

this I want

Octavian Damiean

C is fun

it requires you to think a bit which is fun :)

James Gifford

@Takkat Like. :D

Takkat

8:16 PM

@OctavianDamiean fun to code hell to debug

(I gave up couldn't code without bugs I never found)

Octavian Damiean

@Takkat might be right, I'm not at the level to tell that yet :D

htorque

@OctavianDamiean it's not fun to think about things a normal application developer should never have to think about :P

Octavian Damiean

@htorque well it is way more fun than Java for example but not as awesome as Python

htorque

more fun than 0 - that's not hard to achieve :D

Octavian Damiean

heh

htorque

8:18 PM

i already said it: i want a pseudocode compiler...

3

Takkat

a predicitve compiler would be even better

Octavian Damiean

lol

James Gifford

so i was out this weekend, and this guy (staff member) had ubuntu on his netbook. score. now that i'm keeping my eyes out, it's everywhere. :O

Octavian Damiean

@htorque and @Takkat you are lame, I want some connectors like in the matrix

Don't try to develop the perfect OS, that is impossible. The truth is, there is no OS. :D

ajmitch

I hate mondays

Octavian Damiean

8:26 PM

it is Monday already?!

no way

Takkat

@ajmitch are you already there? Must be

poor @ajmitch

ajmitch

yes, it's about 8:30 monday morning

Octavian Damiean

am I lucky to live in Europe :p

I only wish Europe would have only one day

htorque

i like this pro-life attitude in here :D

TheX

who is pro life??

Takkat

8:31 PM

not me (not so short before monday)

htorque

nobody! why would anybody be pro-life? :D

James Gifford

backs away from the politics

TheX

@Takkat I bet if I put a gun to your head you would change your mind?

htorque

backs away from politicians

Octavian Damiean

@TheX depending on whos head you are putting it on you might end up being pro life as well :p

htorque

8:33 PM

"please don't kill me, i enjoy hating my life" :D

Takkat

@TheX I'd lie to you and say yes I changed my mind - it's so good to have mondays

TheX

lol

James Gifford

Is it sad that I'm using my oneiric install to salvage my natty? :P

Octavian Damiean

yes because you managed to screw up natty somehow

3

Takkat

speaks in favour of oneiric

James Gifford

8:34 PM

Natty's effed.

like seriously effed. idk what i did. :D

TheX

....

Octavian Damiean

that is the worst thing if you don't know what you do, that usually results in unusable systems and unwanted children

2

James Gifford

@OctavianDamiean Unusable children?!

whoa whoa whoa

TheX

you shouldn't be "using" children...

James Gifford

agreed. :P

Octavian Damiean

8:37 PM

I should definitely reword that

lol

too late :P

done

:)

Time for me to go for dreams. Good night everybody

James Gifford

Night @Takkat

htorque

8:41 PM

ditto, good night @all

Octavian Damiean

night @Takkat and @htorque :)

James Gifford

Night @htorque!

Lekensteyn

Good evening

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Q: What is "umask" and how does it work?

After running umask 0644 in a terminal, I cannot read the files I create. I noticed that the permissions of that file are set to --- -w- -w- (0022) instead of the default rwx r-x r-x (0755). How does umask work? It has something to do with file permissions, but I can't figure out how. I thought ...

permissions umask

ajmitch

aha, an easy one

@Lekensteyn just trying to word it in a way that makes sense

Lekensteyn

@ajmitch: feel free to edit it

ajmitch

8:59 PM

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A: What is "umask" and how does it work?

The umask acts as a set of permissions that applications cannot set on files. Most applications would not create files with execute permissions set, so they would have a default of 0666, which is then modified by the umask. As you have set the umask to remove the read/write bits for the owner &a...

it's monday morning, so I'll probably need to clarify it a few times

Lekensteyn

In Australia, yes, but it's still Sunday 11 PM in The Netherlands

ajmitch

australia?!? mortal insults... :)

Lekensteyn

Sorry I insulted you, I meant New Zealand

It's just below Australia right? (relying on my geographic knowledge from my memory:p)

ajmitch

to the east of Australia

@Lekensteyn does the answer make sense?

Lekensteyn

@ajmitch: +1, could you include calculation examples?

ajmitch

9:16 PM

@Lekensteyn sure, what sort of examples?

yay, that answer pushed me over the 2500 rep mark

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

What is "umask" and how does it work? http://bit.ly/jW1VnZ #permissions

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Lekensteyn

@ajmitch My upvote pushed you :D Congratulations. I was thinking about a table of permissions with common umask patterns and their effects on permissions

common defined: default (0022), restrictive (0027), even more restrictive (0077) and (for a contrast) completely freedom (umask 0). Feel free to ignore any of these

ajmitch

I may add that a little later if I have time

Octavian Damiean

I hate the & character ...

Lekensteyn

@ajmitch Okay, there is no hurry as the answer itself is very complete; I'll wait a day before accepting

@OctavianDamiean why so? In the shell on pasting URLs?

Octavian Damiean

9:24 PM

@Lekensteyn everywhere where I have to type it as it is hard to type

for me it is Shift + 6

Rinzwind