MOBA's are very easy to get into, but insanely hard to master...which I think is a good thing

I tried Quake Live for about 30 secs and decided I didn't want to keep losing long enough to get any good at it, so I quit

I'll agree about RPG's, though. most of them are gated by time and/or rng, not skill.

well, MMORPG raids can take some skill, but most of that is just a few people trying their best to make up for all the idiot freeloaders in the party

aaaand now I want to play LoL again

I wonder if I can play it for more than a day without getting pissed again...

is everyone missing my point? :(

yes

I'm more saying that you're both right, in a way. Q3 looks like a game that I wouldn't be able to touch without a big time investment.

LoL on the other hand isn't casual, but I don't have to be pro either

I can be pro if I did put that time into it, but I don't have to be

@Lasse I didn't miss your point.

thank you

:)

And the answer to my original question "why don't they make games like that any more" is that people don't want to play them. Maybe I should ask why people don't want to play them and fix that and make millions

I guess titanfall is the closest thing to it today, but somehow it still fails to amuse me

:D

oh I almost forgot about loadout

I haven't played that

it looks like something I'd like to try

but that's clearly not made to replace quake, more like tf2

titanfall looked great, but I heard it didn't have anywhere near enough to do, and then I heard they removed game modes instead of adding things to the game

for (int i < 5) Console.WriteLine("Hello ", i);

is that valid in some language

yes, mine

okay

Is it obvious what it does?

it's obvious, at least because of my experience with other languages. it's not obvious how I would make it count from 4 to 0 instead, though...

well yeah it's obvious

@JohnMcDonald I haven't tried it yet. Not sure how you'd be able to watch though. :P Except if I record/stream

Hmm

it's obvious only because I know what a for loop does in general

@IcyDefiance It's not quite as pretty, but close, something like: i = 4; for (i >= 0) DoStuff.exe();

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Do you have an Android or Windows phone? (I can't remember, but I'm sure you mentioned at one point)

I debated something like for (int i = 4 <= 0) ... but I thought it felt too sketchy

@JohnMcDonald Windows Phone :)