Game Development

Jon

12:08 AM

Heh.

TheMuffinCoder

Jon

The ratio calcs are off in the webgl version

TheMuffinCoder

It's so strange, my ship glitches when I rotate below but not above

Jon

Based on the gif. I assume you struggled with wrapping the rotation haha

Almo

looks like the old 1, 0, 359 bug

fucking annoying getting that one straightened out

Jon

12:10 AM

Yeh

TheMuffinCoder

poo

well luckily for me I disabled input movement so I can debug just the rotation

this would be easier if it weren't all in radians o _ O

TheMuffinCoder

12:39 AM

I gotta clean up my code

Rotation are too confusing rn o. o

Alexandre Vaillancourt

1:58 AM

@Almo That's an old post :P

Chris Okyen

2:55 AM

@Tyyppi_77 sorry i got mad earlier

user92578

7:28 AM

@ChrisOkyen you're forgiven :)

user92578

8:16 AM

ELevelLayerType::ENTITY_UNDER_FOREGROUND_UNDERLAY_LOWER

user92578

Does this happen to anyone else?

user92578

8:38 AM

> Before you say, "Do you know any programming languages", yes I know most(To give you some, Assembly, C++, C, Java, HTML, CSS, and a few others).

Jon

9:40 AM

More.

user92578

cool that the list of the programming languages (which is most, WTF?) contains two non-programming languages

user92578

Also that apparently "most" can be described in 6 + few others

Jon

My resume has a 2 page listing of the programming languages I know

Followed by a listing of every single application I know how to use

Jon

10:22 AM

True story. I applied for a job with the gov once, really simple job. One requirement was to know how to use Word

I stated I knew the office suite like a pro

Got rejected cuz I never mentioned I knew how to use word.

user92578

lol

Jon

I got in touch with HR and they refused to budge. Such a stupid fucken place to work.

Like, imagine applying for a job, and they make an HR error -- so you get in touch with them, and they insist that you know nothing about Microsoft Fucken Word

I'm here, telling you I am a programmer, server admin, network specialist--- all this IT background

And you are telling me I don't know how to use Word

DH.

It's because managing a server is easy, formatting stuff on Word is hard /s

@TheMuffinCoder It's rotating straight top(90º) instead of straigth down (270º), might want to check a bit your code

Jon

You see, to her Microsoft Word is probably the most important tool for her job

And she probably deems it a huge learning curve to learn

user92578

lol yeah

Jon

10:37 AM

But to people like us -- its just another app

user92578

Someone has found a good way to read code: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/130569/… gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/130562/…

Jon

I'd like to sit her down with visual studio and say I know how to use this

Still worried I don't know how to use word?

Tyhja

she'll stare right back you and tell you its not word

DH.

Good thing that in my company the HR knows that they can't decide 100%, since they know nothing about the tech part of the job

Jon

not me. our HR are nazis

they get paid less than me, and will do what they can to bring me down

Jon

11:18 AM

jgallant.com/GorbEditor

First working GL build, try it out let me know what is annoying

Uri Popov

does it work on chrome ?

Jon

it should.

I haven't been able to get the editor area to work in anything but 4:3 -- not sure where the ratio specific adjustments need to be made yet.

Its with the width/height calcs of the rendertarget area, but I can't quite figure it out

Uri Popov

yesterday I managed to update the mesh colliders on my new deformable bodies.

hmm When I have a green dude selected and use the gravity controls it changes to a orange dude

if I go from a direction to static and back again

Jon

hmm, let me trty

Ah yeah, seems to be an issue with color selection there

the red doesn't work very weel

thanks for the bug report

haha

that switch from static to gravity was the last thing I was working on so its still buggy

Uri Popov

no problemo. Dont have anything better to do today since I sprained my shoulder rendering my right arm unusable.

user92578

11:27 AM

changing gravity resets rotation

Jon

ah, actually changing it to Static resets it yeah

user92578

shapes reset after test

user92578

the "preview" shape turns into a real one when I click "test"

Jon

test? the play button?

user92578

yeah

Jon

11:30 AM

yeah that is the intended behavior... it will actually let you play at some point

user92578

so I can't be at "add new shape" mode when I click play?

user92578

it also actually spawns in an object at where my cursor was when I clicked play

Jon

you can atm

yeah play mode is not working yet :)

its just hacked in

you can still edit and add shapes in play mode

Pythagoras Cup (Greedy Cup) filled with Mercury

►

arda

@arda administration didn't allow me :(((

user92578

11:49 AM

@Jon that's pretty cool

user92578

I'm more of a numberphile guy though

Jon

DH.

When you had expansions and not dumb DLCs

user92578

*When you had updates

Jon

12:39 PM

Doom2 had the entire first world

nowadays, you would pay 80$ for that first world -- and then 30$ for each additional world

Piracy was also rampant back in those days

if someone had the disks to doom 2, you could simply copy it onto your own disks to play at home

DH.

Buying games was hard and expensive back in the day

Jon

12:58 PM

i actually had a copy of monkey island 2 on diskettes -- and I borrowed them to this guy

He gives them back to me.... he had just put them in his backpack, and got sand all over the disks

So since that day I never really had an issue with copying retail disks

Because there is no way to recover when you break it

user92578

1:11 PM

depth sorting is creating so many issues with the lasers :(

user92578

They need to render below solid ground, but above ladders, and above doors

Jesus Christ

I have a quick question

user92578

And then I fix one thing, and break the others

Jesus Christ

If I move a character hand using skeletal animation, will this hand movement affect physics world and participate in physics simulation?

user92578

depends on how your world works

user92578

1:12 PM

do you want hands to collide with the world?

Jesus Christ

I want moving objects to reflect from them when i move hands using animation file

user92578

well isn't your answer then "yes"?

Jesus Christ

yes, but does game engines support that?

for example, Unreal 4?

user92578

so your question is actually "do game engines support colliders on moving meshes?"

user92578

Does this help? answers.unrealengine.com/questions/73765/…

Jesus Christ

1:15 PM

not only collide. But affect physics simulation.

user92578

I don't see what's the difference in a game engine

user92578

Usually there is default behaviour (reflection, or simply resolving) applied to collisions

Jesus Christ

Yeah, but what about forces

Ball, moving towards a hand, have some velocity, mass, and acceleration

user92578

Okay you've lost me. I can't answer your question.

Jon

The answer to everything is yes.

But you have to code the behaviour you want.

If you expect a game engine to magically do what you imagine, then no it cannot do that.

user92578

1:24 PM

Fuck I think I need to sacrifice laser looks for rendering sanity

Jon

0

Q: Gifs vs Animation Sheets

What is better to use Animation Sheets or Gifs? In my opinion gifs are better because you don't have to think about frames going too fast or too slow because of your code and updating in proper ticks. Animation Sheets look harder to use because you have to include in your code lines that say when...

Jesus Christ

@Tyyppi_77 anyway, thanks

@Jon I got the point, thank you

Jon

What is the point?

Jesus Christ

@Jon "If you expect a game engine to magically do what you imagine, then no it cannot do that."

user92578

1:41 PM

user92578

Figured out this cool layout of walls for the spinners, and made a more vertical laser level

user92578

You can see how the lasers render below the ladders

Almo

that says to me "If you're on a ladder, the laser will miss you"

is that true?

@DH. formatting stuff in Word is hard. GDW struggles with Word, though is a master of InDesign.

Jon

1:59 PM

Did you ever try to code a Word document programatically?

If not, try unzipping a word file

user92578

@Almo it's not true, that's why that's an aissue

Jon

And see the bullshit you are going to deal with if you do.

Anyways, I was telling HR that I programatically created word documents, which was used for our corporate letter system -- which letters are created to send out to millions of people.

But apparently I don't know how to use word.

When logic doesn't work, I get fucken mad.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Tyyppi_77 Add some mirrors to reflect the laser beams!

user92578

I can't code that :P

Jon

why not?

add portals and cheese

DH.

2:10 PM

Why not? Just make another beam when it touches the mirror

Jon

user92578

Sounds like a whole lot of work, that's not really necessary

Jon

make the laser cut this cheese in half, then a mouse comes into the screen yelling at you -- and if you manage to kill the mouse you unlock this secret mouse level

user92578

IDK, maybe if I run out of stuff

Jon

Then this girl appears at the end of the mouse level and is all like "Sorry but this chick is in another castle" then blasts off into space

Alexandre Vaillancourt

2:12 PM

@Tyyppi_77 that's your game man :) It's going to be nice regardless :P

user92578

thanks :)

Jon

gfycat.com/OptimisticDaringFowl

shows you how the map is generated in terraria

Almo

@Tyyppi_77 oh it's an issue. sorry, thought you were pointing out a feature. :)

user92578

yeah no problem dude

Jon

2:29 PM

you implement that secret mouse level yet?

user92578

compiling currently

user92578

so I'm having a sword fight

Kevin van der Velden

But is it a chairsword fight

user92578

well, of course

Jon

i hope you are not using your dick in that swordfight

user92578

2:35 PM

aaaand here comes jon with the borderline-flaggable message

Jon

its harder than japanese steel

DH.

It got me thinking, Damascus steel is one of the strongest steel in that time, right?

user92578

depends on whether or not jet fuel can melt it

Kevin van der Velden

@DH. not at all, we're capable of making better types of steel. It is however way better then anything available at that time

Jon

should I fix this?

Kevin van der Velden

2:43 PM

Also, damascus steal is from syria, not japan

DH.

IKR, just remember about it because I read a bit

user92578

@Jon probably

Almo

@Jon so the thing disappears if you drag it off the side?

I'd fix that, if it doesn't involve rewriting a bunch of shit

DH.

Damascus is even the name of the city lol

Jon

if you purposely push it off screen yeah

it has to be at least 1 pixel in the editor

Kevin van der Velden

2:44 PM

Japanese steel also has the same patterning as damascus steel has, but that's because japan has absolutely shitty steel and they need to work it for a very long time to get it usable in swords

Almo

if you scroll it off the side, does it disappear?

or just of you drag it off the side?

Jon

you have to click, and drag it

jgallant.com/GorbEditor

Almo

ok that's not as big a deal, but I'd probably fix it if it wasn't a difficult thing to fix

user92578

literally unusable ^

Almo

but I'm pretty CDO about that kind of thing

user92578

2:46 PM

uuuh I think I fixed the depth issues

user92578

Moved like 4 layers around and created two new ones

user92578

This gets ugly really fast

user92578

next game I'm going to be somehow smarter

Almo

:)

Jon

then eventually you will be dead, and everything you learnt will be gone

every memory you ever made, gone.

Lost in eternity

user92578

2:49 PM

public void OnDeath() { GitHub.Upload("GunHero/src"); } fixd

Jon

even github is not immune to entropy

Almo

nothing is immune to entropy.

hahah you can take that sentence two ways.

user92578

3:15 PM

@Jon gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/130591/…

Jon

3:31 PM

That shithead is doing homework

user92578

lol did you delete those? or did josh do that?

Jon

i flagged all his questions

i requested that the user be deleted

might have worked

user92578

their older questions are gone

user92578

nvm

Jon

i still see 3 of them

user92578

3:37 PM

yeah they're there

user92578

but they didn't show up on their profile

Jon

people like this piss me off

I had this fucken guy come over my house to get tutored for his java class -- fucken guy straight up tells me he just wants me to code all his homework

Like I would enjoy doing his fucken homework

People like that piss me off, a lot.

user92578

lol what'd you do?

Jon

I told him to get the fuck out of my house.

never talked to him again

His perception is that ohhh, this guy is able to code, i'm just gonna mooch off him and get a good grade.

Similarly this this fruitcake asking what his java code does -- he doesn't actually give a fuck what that code does

He just wants to be able to write what it does so he can wing by

user92578

lol yeah

user92578

3:41 PM

and "sneakily" posting each part as a separate question

user92578

I've only gone to one programming class so I don't really have experience with any of these programming tasks and such

Jon

well, I am assuming here -- it might be that he started a new job

and he has no idea what he is doing

but then he provides a input value.

user92578

I pretty much just stated to the teacher on the first lesson that I can program really well, so I ain't doing the boring webcourse everyone else was doing

Jon

here value of v=r=233573869,then how to calculate next r value using above formula.

Sounds like homework to me.

user92578

lol yeah

Jon

3:43 PM

heh, I just coded shit to show i was better than everyone else

didn't have to say anything

user92578

lol I could've done that and bored myself to death

user92578

this was the second course to programming, so not an introduction course anymore

user92578

everyone else was learning what if-statements were

user92578

it was impossible to try to help them with logic

Jon

lol yeah

user92578

3:44 PM

teacher said that I could make a small game to show everyone what you can do with programming once you know your stuff

Jon

I noticed you could crash the high school servers if you filled up the network drives to capacity

the 90s was a pretty hilarious time -- network security was so low

No one knew wtf they were doing

routers on the school network just wide open

In college we put a PC in the ceiling tiles and hooked it to the college network

used it as a download box

But yeah, there were always some students that just couldn't figure out how to code.

Like, I sincerely think some people just can't do it.

They seem to get caught up on the big picture, instead of just focusing on each individual parts. I just remember this one guy asking me what the hell he had to write loops for.

Almo

haha

Jon

He just didn't understand how to take a problem and translate it into a logical statement.

no matter how small that problem was.

Is it a lack of wanting to learn? Or an inability to understand?

My girlfriend its definitely a lack of wanting to learn.

She is interested in using computers to look stuff up -- but not so much wanting to use it as a means to create anything.

Almo

5:05 PM

when I taught my wife to program, she said if she wanted to program something, it would be the interface to an OS

Jon

20 years later, she still hasn't started.

Almo

5:24 PM

hahah she didn't really want to, she just said if she were to program it would have to be something she wanted to do and games weren't it. So I asked what it would be and she described the Finder in Mac OS

Jon

5:44 PM

Try to crash the Gorb editor

Except for putting a ridiculous number of physics objects on screen

Almo

:)

I posted " Display a pop up that tells the user to stop fucking around" as "advice from a gamedev veteran on a chatroom, on Facebook. 8 likes. :)

Jon

Lol I guess I am a veteran

Almo

yeah definitely

multiple released games

Jon

5:59 PM

And a pretty gangbusters editor up to now

Almo

6:15 PM

:D

Jon

7:44 PM

Hey son, wanna play maxpayne3 and shoot some people in the balls in slow motion? YEAHHH!!!

Best dad ever

DH.

lol

My father would never allow me to play online neither shooting games if I had the age of your son

Like damn, I insisted a lot to him allow me to play Final Fight

Jon

final fight?> hahahaha

shit man, i was playing leisure suit larry at 8

trying to sleep with hookers

cybermike

Haha. Leisure Suit Larry. I remember that one!

arda

I really lost the joy of playing games lately.

I simply can't find time

cybermike

@arda it's tough. I can't play a computer game without losing a couple weeks at best, and usually more like a month. (Rimworld is my current addiction)

arda

7:53 PM

I really really liked gaming but I can't game since around start of summer

cybermike

I feel like most of the people trying to get into the computer game industry are driven by not wanting to feel like all that gaming is just a waste of time (i.e. it is my job so this is research.)

Almo

giphy.com/gifs/mlb-baseball-wtf-SKwEH0kolOvfy

baseball

really funny

@cybermike beware of Stardew Valley... if it's the kind of thing you like, it will really cause problems.

DH.

LOL

Really good catch

Almo

hahah yeah

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo Damn you for reminding me that game..

cybermike

7:57 PM

@Almo can I make a tribe of cold-loving, nudist cannibals on Stardew Valley?

Almo

hahah no

Jon

that guy that caught that ball is dead now

cybermike

Then I'm probably safe

arda

I last got addicted to D3

clean for 6 months

Almo

hahaha

arda

7:57 PM

I have 1800 hours in that thing

Jon

Ah, you love the D eh

Alexandre Vaillancourt

D3 was nice!

It still probably is :P

Almo

hahah

arda

1800hours = 2.45 months

cybermike

I really want Diablo for my tablet. (Just feels like a great context for it.) I heard a rumor that it's coming.

Jon

7:59 PM

the butcher

arda

no no no god no

I already have a tight schedule in life

DH.

Oh I remember The Butcher from D1

arda

(I had 6 hours of sleep and 13 hours of school just today. Only 5 hours left for everything else. -2 hours from that to eating and interviews, I had 3 hours free today. I'll sleep soon so -1 too. 2 hours.)

DH.

13 hours of school wtf

Are you certain that this is a school? Are you not a slave?

arda

@DH. here in middle east, you either work hard and die from sleep deprivation, or don't work and starve.

3 hours of it was on bus, but I blame the school for adding another hour and not getting enough busses for the second batch. Plus we leave around 5:30 which is the leaving hour of most jobs

Jon

8:03 PM

if you are starving at least you don't have to shit in public due to lack of toilets

arda

still 10 hours of class

DH.

wow 10 hours wtf

Who can survive 10 hours of boredom?

arda

We also have school on saturdays

DH.

Omfg

Jon

wtf.

arda

8:04 PM

@DH. I hardly can. I'll start on antidepressants.

DH.

And you have to pay for that?

Jon

you pay to be miserable?

arda

@DH. 33000 turkish lira - around 16k cad and 11k usd

DH.

Omfg

Jon

16K is nothing

i shit 16k every day

arda

8:05 PM

I have scholarship like, I think %80

but still even the rest is a lot

DH.

I would wish to pay way less, sleep more but fuck me in the ass really

arda

@Jon gdp per capita in turkish is really low

DH.

Anything is better than this situation really

Jon

it could be worse

Trump could be your teacher

arda

@Jon he is

Jon

8:09 PM

:(

kill yourself

arda

@Jon I am trying hard enough not to.

Jon

Help me make my editor work in all aspect ratios

DH.

Man, your country is in big trouble, and the everyday activities are this bad? And I thought my life was bad

arda

Most turkish teachers are both racist (towards turkish minorities) and homophobic (we had an example of that today, going to send in another message as it is too long).

The teacher was messing with students who were talking in class and his way of messing was making the example sentence a fantasy between 2 students (basically "x said "I can't live without you, Y. You are the heat of my life"") along with many students going "wtf" and "what would our parents say if they saw this lol" and teacher going "your parents would disown you lol". That was rather depressing.

both x and y were males btw. Lesson was turkish literature.

Whatever I'll sleep

Jon

8:24 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

fixed the aspect ratio bullshit

now I can run a blog post detailing how to do this editor

user92578

10 steps to a literally unusable level editor

user92578

<3

Jon

lol

user92578

...with working aspect ratio bullshit

user92578

"This dev opened his IDE today. You won't believe what happened next!"

Jon

8:26 PM

lol

yeah, no i don't intend to change the world, merely serve to provide information while self-promoting the game

user92578

Yeah that's a good idea

user92578

Promotion is nice

user92578

I should probably write to IndieDB soon

user92578

Decided to wait a while before my next post there since apparently five awesome new content gifs aren't enough

user92578

No, you need atleast six to get to the front page

user92578

8:28 PM

Does it say that somewhere before you post?

user92578

No

user92578

So I've been saving up... got like ten weeks worth of gifs soon or something lol

user92578

I'd also love to read about your editor stuff

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@arda Good night, man :)

Jon

8:48 PM

awww yeah its working perfect now

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Ping?

Jon

9:07 PM

horzExtent *= (screenAspect/3.75f);

I have no idea what the fuck 3.75f is here.

but it works.

I multiply all my widths by screenaspect/3.75

and it just works now.

in every single aspect ratio

and I don't know why

private void RefreshBounds()
{
	float screenAspect = (float)Screen.width / (float)Screen.height;
	var vertExtent = gameObject.GetComponent<Camera>().orthographicSize;
	var horzExtent = vertExtent * Screen.width / Screen.height;

	horzExtent *= (screenAspect/3.75f);

	Left = horzExtent - Size.x / 2.0f + Offset.x;
	Right = Size.x / 2.0f - horzExtent + Offset.x;
	Bottom = vertExtent - Size.y / 2.0f + Offset.y;
	Top = Size.y / 2.0f - vertExtent + Offset.y;
}

user92578

lol sounds about right

Jon

lol... no but seriously....

i was just adjusting with random variables

and i hit 3.75

and its like it is just magic -- blam it works perfectly

I have been looking for a relation to this value

And I am not able to figure it out at all....

aha

ok so it doesn't actually work, that is more like it

Jon