Game Development

Ali.S

12:00 AM

@NaCl well I can't even comprehend the mechanics, I mean the first level

and the japanese language is not helping either

NaCl

..yeah, that's kaizo

Ali.S

the only keys are z and x right? and arrows?

NaCl

idk I played with my joystick

Ali.S

so are the only two buttons for two kind of jump?

Sie

Well progress...

TVW - Progress

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Still gotta implement vertex snapping and work on general feel/speed of manipulation.

NaCl

12:04 AM

@Ali.S If both make you jump, you can assume that :P

Ali.S

man I'm asking about basic mario and nes terms... I never played anything on nes... and never tested any mario game

usually there is dash/jump in those kinda games

Sie

As for general aesthetic it's getting better but need less shit lighting and new models.

NaCl

@Sie Nice!

Sie

Forgot to enable it but found some music for free on New Grounds. Author was nice enough to let me use it freely as long as I add in credit somewhere.

newgrounds.com/audio/listen/684073

Almo

12:24 AM

don't like werkin overtime

Ali.S

@NaCl I already gave up on the game

NaCl

Yeah, it's brutal

Sie

12:48 AM

JEKLYNN HEIGHTS - This Access May Be Too Early

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Environment looks great but the game play itself looks like garbage. Kind of sad.

Been in development for 6 years too.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

1:17 AM

@Almo Lunch tomorrow?

Almo

we're delivering alpha at noon, supposedly, so not sure I can disappear

I could let you know at around 11:30

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Sure!

Is it that FPS with UE? Or you're not on that project?

Sie

1:43 AM

@AlexandreVaillancourt The link I posted? Ya that is made with UE, and no I'm not on the project.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Oh, no, it about Almo's project :)

Sie

Oh. Which game is that Almo? I don't remember you posting links to any FPS games.

Almo

2:12 AM

our studio is working on a third person warhammer shooter

I'm not on it

Alexandre Vaillancourt

2:25 AM

Kk!

Sie

3:09 AM

Anyone know of any shows like Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad? I need something to hold me over.

tkausl

Bones

Well.. thats something different but one of my favorite series

Sie

Looks ok. It's just Vince Gilligan's shows just have this feel to them. It makes you feel like your there. I think it's the lack of music and just great acting in general.

user92578

6:21 AM

@Sie This is pretty darn cool!

user92578

Great job

user92578

Do you press a button or something to lower the glass?

user92578

If so, the button should be more obvious

user92578

And I'm not sure what kind of a style youre going after, but a laser wall might be cooler

William Mariager

7:54 AM

> 84 percent of Apple’s mobile devices run the latest iOS software, compared with 7.5 percent of Android devices that run Marshmallow, the newest Android OS.

One of the unfortunate side effects of open source.

Chris McFarland

most of that is cuz the carrier doesn't support the latest OS (or hasn't bothered to test and deploy)

William Mariager

Yeah, exactly.

Matt Jens Jensen

Android OS updates aren't generic, just because a new version comes out doesn't mean the update can come to a device, Android OS gets updated then manufacturers compile it with their own shit (eventually) then ship it out to device if they think it's worth their time

Device manufacturers usually hold the final keys to the process of an update

Chris McFarland

9:46 AM

I went for a Google tablet for this reason

Jon

reviews on the mouse I bought , everyone is saying it is too heavy

i think no one realizes that you can remove the 3 weights underneath

William Mariager

10:02 AM

Which one is it?

Jon

mouse? corsair m65

Leggy7

10:20 AM

50€?

Chris McFarland

10:36 AM

man, the removable weights are one of its selling points :|

gg average joe

Jon

haha, yeah, in fact the reviews are posted literally 1 paragraph below the selling point

nintendo will apparently have 90 minutes of wii-u zelda footage at E3

DH.

10:53 AM

Something fucked the circuit breaker of the building yesterday, stayed with no internet for a few hours

@ChrisMcFarland And that's why I didn't had the chance yesterday: thanks for the help

Matt Jens Jensen

11:12 AM

@DH. Residential of Commercial building circuit?

DH.

Residential

Whoever made the ISP stuff is sharing with another I can't remember, and then the shared one had a problem and then both went off

Matt Jens Jensen

Usually when "something" fucks a circuit breaker it's because it's at 70%+ load for a sustained period of time

Most residential circuits only rated 1800W per breaker and if you go over 70-80% for extended periods of time the breaker deteriorates

Happened to me once, found out my entire office is only on one 1800W breaker

DH.

One thing is for certain: don't expect things to work the same way here, it's all fucked up :P

Matt Jens Jensen

Absolutely

One of my neighbors has a suspicious cable running over the road from a utility box nailed to the trees leading to his house

DH.

LOL

Matt Jens Jensen

11:22 AM

My neighborhood association fined me $400 for having too much moss growing on my roof, but he's had a cable running 8 feet above the road for a month now

That's fair I guess

Jon

what the fuck are you supposed to do?

scrape moss off your roof?

DH.

wow that's a lot of money just because of moss

Matt Jens Jensen

@Jon that's exactly what I have to do, I live in the middle of the fucking woods where it rains 98% of the year and they expect me to get on my roof and sweep it off with a broom

Jon

hahaha

i hope you don't fall off and die

user92578

Whoo! It's Friday and the new Architects album is out

Matt Jens Jensen

11:28 AM

It's a great day

P.S. I accidentally wrote:
long long x = (long long) &x;
and compiled without a single warning

I love clang

NaCl

@Jon is this paper boy?

Jon

i want to make it

Matt Jens Jensen

Now that I have the Vive I want to remake all of the worse NES games in VR

NaCl

CppCon 2015: Joshua Gerrard "The dangers of C-style casts"

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user92578

Our very own OMGtechy!

Matt Jens Jensen

11:34 AM

@NaCl this was in a C program meant to show all of the weird ways to fuck around in clang

I meant to do something weirder, but still legal

NaCl

Oh, clang literally... Sorry

Matt Jens Jensen

In the same program I cast a vector of lists of strings into an int and do fixed point floating maths with it and then turn that into a bitmap

I thought of building a tiny game using OpenGL only in assembly for shits and giggles

NaCl

Roller Coaster Tycoon 3D?

Kevin van der Velden

@MattJensJensen neither would GCC or MSVC

Matt Jens Jensen

@KevinvanderVelden I figured, but that's certainly a comfort

Kevin van der Velden

11:39 AM

Are you adding flags to get extra warnings?

Matt Jens Jensen

-Wall

Kevin van der Velden

Try -Wextra

That's a bunch of extra errors

Matt Jens Jensen

Just tried -Wextra

hahah

Kevin van der Velden

GCC has a -Wold-style-cast warning that gives a warning for c style casts

(Oh gee who would have thought with that name =p)

Matt Jens Jensen

I read out all compiler flags in my head and go "wat"

I love how microsoft decided /Zi was the best way to say "debugging info"

Kevin van der Velden

11:44 AM

Yeaaaaaah

Sure GCC and the like are verbose but they're readable (generally)

It's really another example of them feeling that a commandline interface is something to be avoided

tkausl

I love how microsoft decided \ should be the default for auto-completion in #includes even though the standard requires / as path seperator

NaCl

@KevinvanderVelden Excluding template errors

Kevin van der Velden

@NaCl if you get template errors in your commandline arguments then you are doing something wrong

NaCl

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1 min ago, by NaCl

@KevinvanderVelden Excluding template errors

Kevin van der Velden

Yes but we weren't talking about errors, we were talking about the command line

Matt Jens Jensen

11:47 AM

This one's a beauty

DH.

Totally readable main

Kevin van der Velden

Something with lambdas and magic? I don't know

Matt Jens Jensen

"Self documenting code"

Empty lambdas with trigraphs

NaCl

This is it: [](){[](){[](){}();}();}();

Matt Jens Jensen

Yes

I joke about it, but I really do love C++

and I love C when I use it (but not often)

Kevin van der Velden

11:50 AM

@MattJensJensen oooh trigraphs, those are a thing

NaCl

I hate C when I use it :)

Matt Jens Jensen

@KevinvanderVelden not for long ;)

Kevin van der Velden

Good

Matt Jens Jensen

C++17 removes trigraphs

@NaCl why do you hate C?

NaCl

It's ugly as f and not a pleasure to code with

Matt Jens Jensen

11:51 AM

C11 isn't bad

Kevin van der Velden

No that's Objective-C

Matt Jens Jensen

I prefer C++ just becuase it's usually perfect

In terms of performance and abstractions

You don't get much more performance with C11 over using C++14 and all its juicy zero overhead abstractions

So, considering you guys are both C++ users, I'd love to get your opnion on something

I've recently started using CMake for Linux and Mac, but I can't get it to seem to play well on windows with MSVC and I'm considering just using MSVC solutions and projects for compiling on windows and using Cmake for Linux separately

NaCl

Currently, I'm a gdb user for the past days from morning to night

Why does it not play well on Windows?

Kevin van der Velden

I've not written CMake files but the ones I've used always work fine to build visual studio projects

Matt Jens Jensen

It's a little hard because if I write the same CMake file, it works perfectly if I use GCC or CLANG, but with MSVC, I have to do everything differently, and use an entirely different philosophy for locating the components that go into my program and what is needed

NaCl

11:59 AM

...the cmake code should be the same, thought

Matt Jens Jensen

Different compiler flags, different library names and locations, windows requires static libraries to use certain dynamic libraries

I could be getting it all wrong, but it's just a bit of a headache trying to get CMake to work on windows with MSVC

DH.

Yeah true, I still remember when I first had a problem because I only had VS and the CMake file was for gcc/cgwin

Matt Jens Jensen

I have GCC, Clang, and MSVC and different forms of them because I have Cygwin and Mingwin

mingw*

DH.

How your path still works? I mean, jesus, how do you call which version you want?

Matt Jens Jensen

I roll up into a ball and cry for a few minutes, come back to the computer, and then cobble together a VS solution and include all the source files and compile it in the GUI

DH.

12:07 PM

Fair enough

I would probably be stuck and stay at the step of being in fetal position crying

Kevin van der Velden

Personally I use premake (or the fork GENie) for this purpose

Matt Jens Jensen

The problem is, literally every best practices mentioned in any game development book I've ever read just uses the Visual Studio UI and solutions+projects

Kevin van der Velden

It's easier to use than cmake and instead of giving compiler flags you tell it "I want a precompiled header with this file" and it'll do the right thing

Matt Jens Jensen

I stay stuck in the fetal position crying mostly too. Not necesarily because of compiler issues, more just every issue about being a game developer

DH.

VS is wonderful, really, it saves some sanity from the user

Kevin van der Velden

12:09 PM

I've never noticed it being helpful to be honest

Matt Jens Jensen

Premake looks good though

Kevin van der Velden

Usually it just does things in a weird way so it's different from others

Matt Jens Jensen

But premake looks a little too old

Kevin van der Velden

@MattJensJensen github.com/bkaradzic/GENie is the modern version with support for visual studio 2015

Matt Jens Jensen

@KevinvanderVelden thank you so much

DH.

12:11 PM

Well, until now I never had a problem with using only VS, but I never dared myself to see what actually is going on behind the curtain

Matt Jens Jensen

@DH. I need to support GNU/Linux, Windows 8+, and Mac OS X (less of a concern, might not ship to Mac)

Kevin van der Velden

@MattJensJensen the fact that it's lua is also useful, for 3rd party libraries I just have it loop through every .lua file in my 3rdparty folder and include them. Then, say, my 3rdparty/sdl.lua file sets up links and includes for sdl

Matt Jens Jensen

@KevinvanderVelden on the same vein, do you use Lua in your game?

Kevin van der Velden

I do not

NaCl

I use AngelScript

Kevin van der Velden

12:14 PM

I have used it in some older things but I currently use python for scripting

Matt Jens Jensen

@NaCl what made you use it?

@KevinvanderVelden I would, but python is high overhead and I've gotten very sick of it over the last year

NaCl

Implemeting rules for custom objects

Matt Jens Jensen

Interesting

user92578

I looked into Angelscript too when I was thinking about scripting

NaCl

It was very easy to include

user92578

12:16 PM

Ended up deciding that everything was just too much work

NaCl

wat :D

Kevin van der Velden

How is angelscript to implement?

I've mostly set up python because the GUI I was using supported it for scripting but I use a different GUI now

Matt Jens Jensen

I've used Squirrel and Lua

Kevin van der Velden

I don't like lua for anything complicated, just too much weirdness

Matt Jens Jensen

I tried out Squirrel because of Portal 2, L4D2, CS: Go, and Mafia II. Haven't been disappointed with it

Kevin van der Velden

12:19 PM

Hmmm

NaCl

angelcode.com/angelscript/sdk/docs/manual/doc_hello_world.html

Matt Jens Jensen

The only thing I dislike about Squirrel is that it has a backup garbage collector when reference counting doesn't apply which scares me

Kevin van der Velden

Why? You need that

Otherwise if you have a cycle or something you get garbage that doesn't get collected

Matt Jens Jensen

GC means non-deterministic memory management

Means heisenbugs

It's good enough, it's just given me some weird issues before

Less weird than Lua

Turns out my email and password got leaked in the LinkedIn hack

Jon

Matt Jens Jensen

12:27 PM

You water cooled your keyboard?

That's badass

PearsonArtPhoto

What advantage does a water cooled keyboard even have?

Matt Jens Jensen

@PearsonArtPhoto Aesthetics

Kevin van der Velden

Keeping your hands cool when it's warm? I dunno

user92578

Looks like a weird kids' straw system to me

user92578

Put your juice into the container type of deal

Leggy7

12:30 PM

I have a concern. I noticed that my call to observer notification during character's attack can origin some delay in player movement. I wonder if running notifications on a separate thread would solve this kind of problem so that the player movemnt keeps going on the main thread and the notification would run in parallel on another, right?

user92578

Threading most of the times just creates additional pain and suffering

Matt Jens Jensen

If you're thinking of threading to make things more immediate: don't.

Threading is more headaches if you don't need it for performance

Leggy7

but what if I handle just one separate thread for the observers would not harm game flow

Matt Jens Jensen

It won't do what you think it will

Leggy7

the fact is that I have a performance issue now

Jon

12:32 PM

on unity?

Matt Jens Jensen

When it has to talk to the main thread it will lock things worse

Leggy7

yes

it wont talk to the main thread

Jon

what platform are you going to be targetting?

Leggy7

thinking on win, mac, linux

the scenario is the following: the player has a coroutine which handle it's approach action to the a target. when it is close enought I fetch observers to shoot graphics and sounds. since this fetch action is not instant, the player movement could encounter delays

Almo

beware of fucking coroutines

Leggy7

12:37 PM

I thought that having the observer code running on another thread would solve the problem

Almo

coroutines do NOT run in another thread

Leggy7

yes, I do know

Almo

if you want another thread, you gotta mess with the Threading library

Leggy7

that's the point

Almo

they can cause all sorts of unpleasant bugs when they complete expecting to hit an object which has disappeared

Leggy7

12:38 PM

yeah, I handled such cases :)

user92578

Leggy7

have to admit they were a pain

user92578

Enemies respond to trampolines :D

Almo

cool tyyppi :)

Jon

its about time

Almo

12:39 PM

sounds like you know the can of worms you opened, so... have fun :)

Leggy7

ahahah

Almo

gots to hed to werk now, talk later :)

Jon

can of worm

Leggy7

I wanted just to clearify a couple of things

good work, almo :)

If the coroutines just run in themain thread it is fine. but running on it also the notification to the observers is screwing the whole thing. Would handle the notifications on a separate thread (considering that notifications will not need to give answers back) be a theorical solution to lighten the main thread load?

Kevin van der Velden

I doubt it

Leggy7

12:43 PM

theorically if they will run ona separate thread player movemnt will not have to wait for themm to finish, right?

Kevin van der Velden

It'd involve a lot of work (and by a lot I mean potentially requiring you to rewrite half your engine) and it won't save any appreciable time

I mean, we are talking about gamelogic right?

Leggy7

nope

fortunately it just handle effects

so game logic will still run on the main thread

and I will not need to modify a single line

Kevin van der Velden

Oh that's less bad, if it's fire and forget then by all means forget it on another thread =p

Leggy7

that's easying my pain

I have all game logic in the main thread then will shoot the graphic and sound load on another thrread

this sounds legit

DH.

@Tyyppi_77 Cool, but now you'll probably have to tweak a little your enemies AI

user92578

12:54 PM

What do you mean?

DH.

Won't they have a weird behavior by being mid air because of the trampoline? Like, falling into pits and other stuff

user92578

They currently can't jump and won't walk off ledges unless in panic mode

user92578

And if they fly into a pit, it's so cool looking that I don't want to remove that

DH.

Ah ok, so you won't have the same effect as dumb enemies like in other platformers

user92578

My enemies are probably even dumber :D

user92578

12:57 PM

My pathfinding is basically if (onLedge) invertWalkingDirection();

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