Game Development

William Mariager

3:00 PM

I completely agree with you @Almo. Chance has to be used properly.

This is what really killed it for me with Darkest Dungeons.

Awesome game, awesome atmosphere, but horrible game play.

You could have a full team, just getting started, and bam, one bad chance roll and you're pretty much wiped.

NaCl

@Jon besides actually being drunk

Almo

heh yeah

Pip

You know what I like about C#? I never have to deal with a freaking linker

I'm sure that I'm doing something wrong again, but I have no idea what :P

Severity	Code	Description	Project	File	Line	Suppression State
Error	LNK2019	unresolved external symbol __imp_glClear referenced in function "void __cdecl render(void)" (?render@@YAXXZ)	Runaway	C:\Users\user\Desktop\workspace\Runaway\build\Runaway\src.obj	1
Error	LNK2019	unresolved external symbol __imp_glClearColor referenced in function "bool __cdecl initGL(void)" (?initGL@@YA_NXZ)	Runaway	C:\Users\user\Desktop\workspace\Runaway\build\Runaway\src.obj	1
Error	LNK2019	unresolved external symbol __imp_glDrawElements referenced in function "void __cdecl render(void)" (?render@@YAXXZ)	Runaway	C…

Almo

haha linker errors are the fucking worst

well... maybe. C++ template errors are pretty bad.

Pip

The annoying thing is that VS can find all of these in headers

And I have no idea what else could be going wrong since it looks like everything else is working correctly

user92578

3:11 PM

Most of the times VS can't find the implementation

user92578

So you might be missing a .lib or something

user92578

At least that's what causes linker errors to me

Pip

The path to the lib is definitely correct (I'm using CMake to generate the VS project)

user92578

__imp_glDrawElements these can't be found

user92578

are you missing perhaps another library reference?

user92578

3:13 PM

Do you actually link the DLLs?

Pip

Yep

user92578

Correct bit versions?

Pip

Looking in the generated VS project file, the paths and lib name are correct

yep (At least I'm 99% sure)

I'll go check that

user92578

38

A: GLFW - Failed To Open A Window

You need to link to opengl32.lib. Like: except with opengl32.lib. edit: I should note that you don't need to do anything except add opengl32.lib. That other stuff is irrelevant. Additionally, if both are present, try swapping the order, which matters in some cases.

user92578

?

Pip

3:15 PM

Uh I did not do that

user92578

Do you have opengl32.lib?

Pip

That did it, thanks Tyyppi

opengl32.lib is part of Windows

user92578

np, happy to google for you

Pip

XD

It also made me clean up my CMake file a bit more, which is good

user92578

(I think I've run to this too BTW)

Pip

3:16 PM

lol

Btw with GunHero

I'd be happy to add you to the repo where I have my CMake stuff setup for VS/SDL

So you can try to build it for multiple platforms if you'd like

user92578

I'm so heavily dependant on VS currently so I'm probably going to have to redo stuff anyways

user92578

But thanks anyways

Pip

I mean

You wouldn't have to change a ton

You'd just write a CMake file, which with a simple command generates a solution

user92578

And I've actually never done Linux stuff

user92578

So I need to learn this stuff anyways

Pip

3:20 PM

Fair enough

It's not amazingly difficult

Ffs

> Remember to link your project with glew32.lib, glu32.lib, and opengl32.lib on Windows and libGLEW.so, libGLU.so, and libGL.so on Unix (-lGLEW -lGLU -lGL).

Wow, I can read

Darth_Wardy

C++ feels like a brutal language to use ... I've never used it in anger but I have learnt the basics of it

Pip

It's not bad IMO

I've used it for robotics before but never for a project like this other than some little things

Darth_Wardy

It seems to make you jump through a lot of hoops for basic stuff I just take for granted in c#

Pip

That's why C# exists :P

Darth_Wardy

Vs => new project => c++ console app => Tada ... Here's 4000 files ... My reaction: Meh ... Back to c#

Pip

3:28 PM

VC++ is much different than the rest of the world's C++ because it provides access to windows-specific shit

user4704

@Darth_Wardy That's a VS problem, not a C++ one.

Pip

So while you can write code to run on both, that's a VS issue because it includes Windows-specific stuff and also a bunch of other junk

yeah

user4704

You have to check the "empty project" option and uncheck a few other things.

user4704

VS's templates largely suck.

Pip

Yep

Darth_Wardy

3:29 PM

@JoshPetrie oh really ? ... maybe that's what's "skewed" my understanding of c++

user4704

I mean, it is an older language and provides far fewer modern amenities. So it is considerably less friendly overall than something like C#.

user4704

It's much harder to learn, I think, because it expects you to basically already know how it all works.

user4704

Once you learn it, beyond a point, the difficulty curve evens out considerably.

user4704

Although there are always annoying aspects like header files making to waste time duplicating code.

Darth_Wardy

The way things are going with C# though ... I suspect I will never likely find a reason to start using C++

Almo

3:33 PM

Unreal

Darth_Wardy

I wish the unreal engine supported C# as a scripting language

user4704

Blueprint is pretty awesome.

Darth_Wardy

Yeh I keep meaning to learn blueprint

it looks amazing

Almo

it's interesting.

makes some easy things hard, but overall it seems nice

Almo

3:59 PM

@jon you at home right now?

argh, would not play this

store.steampowered.com/app/390570

Jon

4:16 PM

Just got home

Leaving again though

why?

waiting on my mouse

says its out for delivery

Leggy7

lol, tomorrow

wait and hope :)

Almo

4:32 PM

@jon rokit leeg

Jon

k

William Mariager

4:43 PM

I've been toying around with Linq Expressions. Flexible stuff.

Pip

Linq is pretty great

William Mariager

collection.SetCommonValue(o => o.Name, "Some Name");

An extension method I made. Sets the field of everything in the collection.

Strongly typed.

Ali.S

hey english people... what's the idiom to say? when you start talking with someone and the shyness and awkwardness fades away?

Leggy7

like breaking the ice? :)

William Mariager

Hmm, you warmed up to the situation?

Breaking the ice is more like, starting conversation from nothing. Can still be shy and awkward after breaking the ice. :P

Ali.S

4:47 PM

@Leggy7 yeah.. for some reason I had "melt the ice" in my mind...

which seemed weird :|

Leggy7

true, btw I'm not english

Ali.S

@Leggy7 well you know English... that's english enough for me :D

Leggy7

in italian is literally break the ice

but william correctly points out that after breaking the ice shyness coud last

even if i'm not sure

should go deep into this

Ali.S

according to The free dictionary the first result is 'to attempt to become friends with someone.'. which is exactly what I meant...

Leggy7

ahahahah

that IS awkward!

oh, as you can see, dear Ali, I'm becoming friend with you.. if you know what I mean ;)

Ali.S

4:58 PM

@Leggy7 no i don't :P

that's asking way too much from me... to know what you mean

William Mariager

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Now I just need to repeat that for a few hundred fields ...

Jon

me and almo make a really bad team

at what?

rokit lerg

wokit lag

5:00 PM

(Rocket League)

:P

William Mariager

(Rocket Legends)

Jon

we are better than the worst

ok this mouse is done

Leggy7

lol isn't really in my taste

Almo

@Jon hahah

I'm just not good at the game

I can hit nice aerials a lot, but I'm just no good at aiming the ball to hit goals.

we missed many goal opportunities because I missed the shot

Ali.S

@WilliamMariager I think you can automate it somehow using reflection

William Mariager

5:03 PM

Yeah, I'll likely give that a go.

I think that's pretty much key to preserve some sense of maintainability in this. Something dynamic.

Jon

5:58 PM

My new mouse is ridiculous

Feel like royalty

Almo

haha

what kind you gotted?

Leggy7

pix plz

Jon

6:24 PM

My son is taking it for a test drive in minecraft

Pretty solid mouse

M65 recommended up to now

Almo

looks mean

Jon

its not actually that one

no red led

Leggy7

how old is your son?

Jon

8

Leggy7

wow, big guy

that mouse looks quite ergonomic

Jon

6:39 PM

feels good

it goes up to 10000 dpi

which is ridiculous

Leggy7

not that mass buttons

Jon

i need to get a 4k monitor now

Leggy7

but the right ones the right place

Jon

oh shit

the middle buttons adjust the dpi settings

that is amazing

Leggy7

yeah, in my mouse too

but I don't think mine goes up to 10k

Jon

6:43 PM

Totally unnecessary

5000 seems to be plenty

Almo

800 seems to be plenty

Leggy7

50

is fine for me

Almo

:)

user92578

@Jon but does it go to 11?

Jon

Heh

This one goes up to 11. Yours only goes up to 10.

Amplifier company actually did that and it worked

user92578

6:46 PM

Fuck you, you dont know my story!

user92578

That looks really badass though

Greetings

Good evening

What's up?

all kinds

7:02 PM

cool... cool

Leggy7

I know that when I'll light a cigarette I'll need to shit crossing the children room

to reach the bath

Jon

oh man i have a button on the thumb of my mouse

if you hold it down, the mouse cursor moves slower

its called the snipe button

And it is awesome in FPS wow

turn around fast, but steady tactical movement when required

almost not fair, lol

Almo

a couple people said my q3 config was cheating because of the mouse sense and zoom fov switches I had set up

Jon

it is seriously debatable

similarly to those quickshot controllers back in the NES days

Leggy7

mouse should have 3 buttons

Jon

7:16 PM

a game cannot control mouse hardware drivers

DH.

But we already have 3 buttons

Most mouses allow you to click with the wheel

Almo

clicking with the wheel is horrible

DH.

if you need fast clicking yeah but it works well as a support button for something

Sie

@Almo Depends on the mouse. If it has ridges like mine it works great but depending on the wheel/build quality it can feel pretty terrible.

Pip

7:39 PM

So, hey smarter people than me

DH.

At first it's really convincing, even more to me because we don't have those things in schools of my country :P

Pip

How can you prevent the badness that happens with just looping through game entities and updating them?

Sie

@Pip We should start a club.

Pip

:P

DH.

I don't get it Pip, what badness?

Almo

7:40 PM

what's bad about that pip?

something has to update them

why not a loop

Sie

Ya. I don't see the issue either. Is it causing lag or something?

Pip

Not anything like that

but

Almo

your profiler saying it's a problem?

(I'm betting no)

Pip

Not at all

Almo

so... don't worry about it

Pip

7:42 PM

It has some interesting ramifications on mechanics though

For instance if you update the player before a bullet or whatever, and the player moves first, then the bullet won't hit when realistically it could have

and if you update the bullet first it will definitely hit when realistically both should have been moving at the same time

And this issue isn't as bad at high update rates but it certainly still exists

tkausl

This might matter when your tickrate is at 1 per second

shouldn't be noticeable with 30+

Almo

this is something for the architecture of your collision system to handle. has nothing to do with whether you use a loop to update your entities

Pip

How so, Almo?

tkausl: yeah, I agree but it's still something I'm considering

Almo

You cannot update your entities at the same time (unless you're multithreading everything... good fucking luck with that). So they will be updated one at a time no matter what you do, so your collision system has to do stuff like flag things that collided for processing later.

Pip

Huh I'll have to consider that as well

I'm working through designing the platform layer of my engine right now

uuuuh let me mock up a pic to show what I'm doing

DH.

7:55 PM

Er... I swear to the old gods that I setup this Unity project as 3D

But every time I go back from the test to edit mode the preview goes to 2D

Do any of you know what I can do to fix that?

Sie

Wow well my little thread really blew up: reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/4l48q5/…

Pip

Huh

Almo

no idea DH

Chris McFarland

@DH. Edit > Project Settings > Editor > Default Behaviour Mode

and there's a 2D button just under the Scene tab

Dave

i've re-written my implementation for a feature in unity like 6 times now and its still failing hard - thinking to just abandon and give it up. :(

Pip

8:09 PM

:(

Dave

i lack the thinking ability to design it properly lol

Sie

What are you trying to make?

Dave

im trying to have character use an elevator to go between two floors. sounds easy - and it is kinda. the problem comes when the user decides to click some where else to change path then theres so many situations i have to check for it becomes messy as hell

Almo

yeah i hate stuff like that

Dave

its gotten so messy ive confused myself so there must be a more elegant solution that i can't think of

Almo

8:13 PM

there are multiple reasons the games I make tend to be simple puzzle games or action challenges, and that kind of thing is one of them

Sie

Why not just lock it and make the player wait until the elevator gets to the floor? I mean it's not optimal but it will at least make it simpler.

Dave

i guess @Sie but it feels too weird to have the character still moving when you told him to go else where

here it is in action

as long as i don't change path mid way through the sequence it won't be a problem xD

Sie

Or you could queue the floors like a real elevator does. Usually if your on a real elevator if you press floor 6 but someone else presses 3 it will stop at 3 and then continue on to 6.

Dave

@Sie i've yet to even include behaviours like multiple people using the same elevator thats another complication to add in later

Almo

@Dave dood taht looks cool

Dave

8:17 PM

lol thanks

Pip

Yeah that looks awesome

Dave

shame it's unusable for a game in the long term unless i flesh out all these annoying edge cases

Pip

8:33 PM

@Almo check this out btw

Chris McFarland

@Dave Can you just have a thing saying "Please wait"

Pip

That's what I was working on earlier

Chris McFarland

(eg like The Sims, sometimes you gotta wait a moment for them to move for whatever reason)

queuing system or something

Dave

i guess

ill try it and see how responsive it feels

Jon

9:11 PM

man the owners of overwatch.com must be getting a lot of traffic

Pip

Wow yeah

I hadn't thought about that

Almo

should send the tech support requests for the game

Jon

do you know what sucks

I want to play Mirror's Edge Catalyst

But EA is making it

so Steam is out of the question

And it is probably gonna cost 200$

4 levels on release... 100$ for season pass

games have gotten fucken stupid... i'm almost ready to just quit AAA titles

Almo

i quit on AAAs a long time ago... not because they cost a lot, but because they don't deliver FUN the way certain other games do

Chris McFarland

9:28 PM

:(

too cinematic?

NaCl

EA has become the real asshole of the industry

Almo

yeah

medal of honor did the d-day invasion sooo poorly

seriously, I quit halfway through out of boredom

Jon

9:50 PM

EA is literally trying to fuck you out of as much money as possibly , and is very blatant about it

Almo

I can't remember the last AAA I bought

maybe Rock Band 3

which is a fucking good game, BTW

Chris McFarland

I wanna buy Doom and Uncharted 4, but not for $100 NZD each lol

Almo

hehe

I always read that as NaZi Dollars

Chris McFarland

._.

Almo

yeah heheh

NaCl

9:54 PM

"aaa" is the name of an unknown ancient sickness

Chris McFarland

I bought Soulcaster 1 & 2 last night: http://store.steampowered.com/app/460970
Haven't played it yet but it looks amusing

the triple A bug is real

NaCl

Guess my last was Bioshock

Chris McFarland

That was a fun game

NaCl

I never completed it

Almo

I didn't like the lack of penalty on death :(

Chris McFarland

9:57 PM

yeah

NaCl

What penalty?

Chris McFarland

Exactly

NaCl

You don't even loose money or something

Almo

there were all these clever ways to interact with the AI, none of which mattered since dying cost nothing.

I recognize that this doesn't mean the game isn't fun for people who like to play with systems.

the art in that game was amazing.

Chris McFarland

cuz the game didn't like load the savegame, right? you'd just respawn and zerg again

Almo

9:59 PM

I just need more structured challenges.

yeah

Chris McFarland

I like playing the Uncharted games on the hardest difficulty from the get-go

NaCl

I really liked the atmosphere

@ChrisMcFarland Ever played Kaizo Mario?

Chris McFarland

Never heard of it

NaCl

It's a very, very hard to beat hack of Mario World

Chris McFarland

http://kaizomario.techyoshi.com/
Ah, heheh

Jon

10:08 PM

Oh kaizo is stupid hard

NaCl

@Jon That is underestimated

Jon

10:19 PM

no

NaCl

Okay

Jon

what was that mario type game, with a yellow rabbit type guy

similar to kaizo.. super hard, but had like stupid hidden things

MOST FRUSTRATING GAME EVER! - Cat Mario (Syobon Action)

►

this

NaCl

cat-mario

cat-mario.com

But it's nothing compared to kaizo

Jon

you are nothing compared to kaizo

NaCl

That's true

Less people know me compared to kaizo

10:31 PM

{BINAURAL ASMR} Ear to Ear Whisper About C Programming for Relaxation (Layered Typing Sounds) Pt. 1

►

Jon

10:47 PM

anyone play this?

Google vs Sun --- Google wins.

court ruled fair use.

no brainer to everyone

but finally after a costly retarded battle, the courts now determined that Google was right

NaCl

@Jon no

Chris McFarland

11:04 PM

implementing 51 achievements to my xbox port atm ._.

Jon

nice

boner material right there bro

Chris McFarland

points are life

Jon

make em feel like they are accomlpishing something

Chris McFarland

yeah

I don't do any "kill x mobs" or "gain x gold" ones

Jon

say "fuck you" in the mic

Achievement Unlocked: "Potty Mouth"

Chris McFarland

11:16 PM

haha

Ali.S

@NaCl she realizes that the code she is writing is not actually valid?

I mean where the headers? the main function? etc.

unless this code is going to be included somewhere else, and in that case, it's really a bad coding style

NaCl

#include "asmr.c"

I don't get the point

The whispering is fucking annoying

And the code is boring as hell

Jon

11:33 PM

strange how his streaming software continues

Sie

@Jon Windows probably hasn't killed the process yet.

@NaCl Perhaps she would have been better off with this: hackertyper.net

Jon

I think it is fake

It has clearly started the update process

I doubt it would without having halted core processes

Sie

It probably is. For one when that screen comes up typically it covers up EVERYTHING. Right? I don't see why the streaming process would stay on top like that regardless. Try pressing CTRL+ALT+DEL and it will cover anything regardless. Almost identical in looks.

Jon

He is not playing he is streaming over an actual gamer

A guy with no charisma

Sie

@Jon I thought it was similar to the shutdown procedure (with auto updates). It brings you to a blue screen and shows a list of programs as it goes down the lists and attempts to close them.

Jon

11:44 PM

Oh my God we just exposed the mini vanili of game streaming

Sie

@NaCl Are your glasses real? I swear it looks like you slapped them on in MS Paint but you have no good reason to do so.

NaCl

@Sie Yes, they are real

Sie

NaCl

@Jon maybe he got a second pc and streams with that

46 secs ago, by Sie

Ali.S

@NaCl solved chapter 3 in like 16 minutes...

Jon

11:47 PM

Who is playing then

Ali.S

well I saw a complete game about 2 months ago, and I remember things here and there

NaCl

@Ali.S kaizo!?

Ali.S

cat mario

give a link to kaizo if you have

NaCl

Oh, yeah. cat mario is easy

Ali.S

found download link

NaCl

11:48 PM

glhf

@Sie you like my glasses?

Sie

@NaCl Ya they are pretty cool. I was actually going to buy a pair but I was not ready to spend $300+ at the eye doctor. It's already insane how much it costs for a piece of plastic as it is.

NaCl

Yeah, mine cost 400 bucks without the actual glass-segments

Ali.S

@NaCl it's way too much work to start it :|

NaCl

@Ali.S haha, trust me, you'll just miss you raging around if you can't start it

Ali.S

the thing is I never played the original super mario...

actually played almost none of mario titles ever

NaCl

11:53 PM

@Sie And the worst of all: The black color begins to fray :(

Almo

gizmodo.com/…

neat about roller coaster loops

Jon

Euthanasia Coaster

The Euthanasia Coaster is an art concept for a steel roller coaster designed to kill its passengers. In 2010, it was designed and made into a scale model by Julijonas Urbonas, a PhD candidate at the Royal College of Art in London. Urbonas, who has worked at an amusement park, stated that the goal of his concept roller coaster is to take lives "with elegance and euphoria". As for practical applications of his design, Urbonas mentioned "euthanasia" or "execution". John Allen, who served as president of the Philadelphia Toboggan Company, inspired Urbonas with his description of the "ultimate" roller...

cool link

Almo

:)

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