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Why the fuck do church meetings last for like 20 years

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church meeting is probably not the correct word, but you get the idea

church meeting of 20 years?

9:03 AM

I do, I however don't know the right word

Where they get together and vote what "new revalations" they will tell their followers and such things

must be the spanish inquisition

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Yeah, exactly that Kevin

ah, hmm

not a chapter...

I wanna say get-together, I don't know why my brain keeps providing that word

smacks brain

I've haerd about those rrevalations

9:05 AM

I know they have some special word for it

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I mean like in 1545 they tried to unite the protestants and the catholics

they r kite revaling indeed

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So they setup a meeting in Trenton

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And then they discussed it (the protestants didn't show up, but anyways) for 20 years

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The Council of Trent is the name for that it seems

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9:06 AM

ecumenical council

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That's the word I believe

Yes! Where ecumenical means it's between different sects

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Where sect means..?

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ah a subgroup of a religion group thingy

Yeah, all the different forms of christianity are different sects of christianity

There's also a term christians coined that basically means "sect of christianity and by definition good and shut-up it's different from sect deal with it" because sect is usually a slightly negative term

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9:14 AM

:D

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Okay that was religion stuff

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Now, some physics

lol

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All this stuff I have to write

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At least physics ain't so boring

9:18 AM

I've been fixing a semi-critical bug that a customer reported to me today

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Any luck?

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Oh and also I meant to ask you, how many bug reports do you get from the players or do you notice most of the stuff yourself?

Yup. The slow, boring part is then compiling and testing on all platforms

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Ah, good :)

Most gameplay bugs are pretty rare. Biggest ones I had to fix up post-release were a couple of savegame loading issues

I try my hardest to ensure my builds are bug-free

during my beta versions, there was an extremely long-standing bug that slipped by me, items would disappear

9:22 AM

What caused it?

@Chris You're still working on Tallowmere?

I think I forgot to change the parent of an item from the merchant to the hero or something

12 hours ago, by Almo

0 bugs in the code on the wall, 0 bugs in the code. Take one down, pass it around, 65535 bugs in the code on the wall.

hey guys

@Jovito Yeah, here and there, not heaps though. Released a new enemy a couple of days ago

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9:23 AM

if I need to do a (N, F) coordinate system, that means that N is on the x, right?

@NathanDrake Hello

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Hi

\o

whatsup

:)

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On a break between classes, doing school stuff and procrastinating here

9:24 AM

cool

@Chris youtube.com/watch?v=jPFMJeREmvw

hehe

is anybody work with XNA here ?

@Chris That must make you feel great. I know I would.

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Does Excel want dots or commas by default?

9:27 AM

@Jovito Yeah, it's a cool feeling. Something you make and others discuss. It's cool. Admittedly I became kinda jaded after a month of reading and listening, but I appreciate people's time and effort sharing their opinions!

I think my fav review was...

@NathanDrake I've had experience with it years ago when it was still a supported thing

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Commas it seems

KATANA FOR THE WIN - Tallowemere

I'm looking for this project gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/25048/…

unfortunately i couldn't implement correctly

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I know a lot less about Excel than I thought I do

9:29 AM

@Hjorthenify Heeyy I tried this library now code.google.com/p/pytmxloader it is super awesome :) It was a link in the link you gave me ^^ thank you!

Game Soup DOESN'T play Tallowmere

@Chris I saw a video from the Gamesoup guys playing it, but they couldn't get out of a room for some reason.

I'd assume he's not pressing the button that is being shown on the screen? bottom-left says press Y

@Tyyppi_77 Depends on the language installed

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Yeah I suppose so

Which is the dumbest decision ever made

Localized function names

9:34 AM

heh

@Hjorthenify yessssssssss

@Don'tclickonmyprofile You're welcome

At least they were sane enough to store it in one language so you can open it in any other

Its still very silly

Especially because some of the danish translations makes no sense

Yeah, the dutch ones don't either

9:37 AM

@Chris How much time did you spend on it so far?

Started the prototype in December 2013, so it's coming up 2 years almost. Past year has been on and off though, but yeah, a lot of time lol

nice

Is it your day job now or?

I'm still a stay-at-home dad

Aah

Your wife brings home the bacon then? =p

9:41 AM

but, I get a bit of money each month, pretty happy with it, hard to say what the future will hold

got the majority of sales within the first month of launching

Yeah she works, a nice salary

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I can't do shit with Excel anymore

Finally installed an outlet by my PC :D no more wires across the floor!

Not a pharmacist though haha

The link color is still bad isn't it =p

/pats Stylish

9:42 AM

@KevinvanderVelden Link color looks sexy from my end

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I have a set of points, and I've made a line graph with those

@Chris same (heck, I made the stylish sheet on the meta =p)

Excel is terrible with graphs

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How do I force the line to start at the origin?

@Hjorthenify FTFY: Excel is terrible

9:45 AM

@Tyyppi_77 Add the origin values 10 times :D

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I think I'll just do this at home with a proper mouse

haha

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All the time I spent in elementary school IT classes making stupid excel diagrams, and now I can't do anything anymore :(

:\

My 3yo knows how to change the discs on our Wii U console

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Your son is already 3???

9:51 AM

daughter* yeah she's like 3.5 years

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Oh, looks like I remembered that one wrong then

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Time really flies

yeah, it truly does

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I think I've got a cousin about the same age

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All baby relatives (mostly girls) really like me... too bad that then girls grow older and realize that nerds aren't cool

9:53 AM

haha

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And I say that in the least pedophile way that one can

Grow a beard. Girls loves beards!

There was a girl on my street growing up, we actually played games together. Looking back, I was too young to make a move though haha

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My beard doesn't look that good... also I'm too young to actually have a beard and be believable

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oh lol :D

9:54 AM

yeah, some guys have the magical beard touch

I'm not so lucky

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Also I'm not the beard-type-guy

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I'd have to be like 50kg heavier to grow a beard and look good :D (no offense if anyone happens to have a beard)

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Oh why doesn't the Google Docs editor continue my numbering...

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Okay, got it

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I just learnt about the "context menu"-button

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10:04 AM

Suuuper nice on a laptop where moving the cursor takes ages to do

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Next class is starting soon so I'll get going

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See you guys in a couple of hours

Minzkraut

Hello everyone

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Minzkraut

does someone here know where i can advertise for my stackexchange proposal related to game art?

10:13 AM

The dawn is upon us.

Besides area 51?

yes

Relevant chats

without violating rules o annoying ppl

like this chat?

Yeah

Just don't spam multiple times and don't open up with the advertising =p

10:15 AM

The room is called Game Development so I'd say yes.

Minzkraut

ok :D

so... this is the link: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/90733/…

Sony PS-X5 Turntable - Rising Sun

@KevinvanderVelden dig it

@Minzkraut all the questions you posted would be perfectly acceptable on gamedev

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Yeah ^

@Jovito No: dig this, youtube.com/watch?v=iGtEH1i78sI

10:24 AM

Really?

Yeah

Metal :D

I like some metal music but that song is terrible.

Lies

Sabaton is awesome

I don't know why I think this is so funny :P 9gag.com/gag/aQnv4vr

11:44 AM

morning, GDSE

Good morning

\o

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11:59 AM

Hi! Finally at home

Woot

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12:15 PM

aaand that was homework

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GAMEDEV

noice

I still have summer homework to do... but I'm 3d printing antimatter apparently

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lol

My software literally says that I have negative mass

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Yeah I've tons of stuff to do but I still have a couple of weeks, so...

12:18 PM

lol

I have pages upon pages still to do

You know what... I'm going to go spend all of today working on it. Cya all later

:P

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cya

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have fun

good morning all

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hi!

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I'm thinking about ways to do collisions in the level editor

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12:22 PM

One option would be to keep the Tiled way, so drawing collision boxes by hand

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Another option is masking trough the foreground tiles and the mergeing boxes

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That would be easier for users, but more tricky in the code

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But just for that reason I think I want the second one

morning

@Chris hey man did you ever get anywhere with rendering 3d models into sprites, diablo 1 / starcraft 1 style?

12:30 PM

I got to the automatic turntable stage of taking a pose, capturing shots of all angles... but then realised the amount of work involved and thought I was in over my head lol

wasn't super enthused about the art style either, so sort of gave it a miss

I did manage to get a walking/movement sprite going, and choosing the correct sprite for the angle of the character as you'd move around

12:47 PM

interesting so 8 directions 45degree difference in direction

so you need to basically generate 8 sets of every animation?

or at least N sets based on how many directions of motion / facing you will support?

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Or 4 and flip the rest

yeah. It looks like Diablo II does 16 directions for the main character, 8 for the monsters

@Tyyppi_77 Only if it's symmetrical

user92578

Ah, right

yea i was thinking about that... if you got a 2 handed axe and your right handed character slashes it

right facing front to back

left facing back to front

@Chris looks like your advice might have fixed my menu problems

12:50 PM

@Chris did the "automatic" turntable assemble the renders into a sheet for you? or did you duplicate the character 8 times at different angles?

I'll keep you posted if I run into other problems.

@Almo Sweet

@Almo is this wisdom documented somewhere? from your question before?

@Joe I had a script to just rotate the character

not yet

I'll document it once I'm sure I have everything working the way I expect

12:52 PM

no rush and TY

I'll even send you the project if you want it

absolutely i need to get a handle on this... if theres something im doing wrong id love to know and see your setup

Waaait.. Google changed their logo?

yes

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WHAT

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12:56 PM

THAT CANT BE HAPPENING

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FUCK THIS WHEN I BECOME THE OVERLORD OF THE WORLD NOTHING IS ALLOWED TO CHANGE

its too late it happened already like thats so yesterday

I am already proud of this lol directupload.net/file/d/4099/ypm9xhxu_png.htm

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Really nice!

WTF

12:58 PM

All the images are not from me but w/e I am still learning and wanted fast results lmao

<div style="background:url(/images/branding/googlelogo/2x/googlelogo_color_272x92dp.p‌ng) no-repeat;background-size:272px 92px;height:92px;width:272px" title="Google" id="hplogo" onload="window.lol&&lol()" align="left"><div style="color:#777;font-size:16px;font-weight:bold;position:relative;left:218px;t‌op:70px" nowrap="">Danmark</div></div>

....

Sec

Oh well.. Notice how is says window.lol&&lol()

user92578

Oh cool, I can kinda test my level

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There's no collisions, and you can't get out of the test mode

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But it correctly removes the editor player entity and places an actual player entity in

1:02 PM

The prelaunch one is still horrid

@Joe gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/106530/…

OMG that pre launch is awful

@Almo i would have never thought to do this

me neither

it's exactly what Chris recommended though. :)

gfycat.com/DeepAngelicAmericanwarmblood

if you have trouble setting it up, let me know and I can send you my project

it only has this menu in it right now

@Almo Your goal?

I'm making a puzzle game

1:05 PM

he meant the rocket league

lol

Was talking of the gif :P

first step: get the fucking UI to maintain its aspect ratio

@Hjorthenify oh hahaha fuck no

I'm not a bad player, but I'm not great either :)

:P

He's flying

yeah

YUP I'M FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, THIS IS NOT GOOD

@Hjorthenify I imagine this is the driver in that car

1:07 PM

@Joe He would probably have stopped using the turbo then :P

Oh shit. it seems to cut off stuff on iPhone 5...

because it's narrower

@Almo i.imgur.com/EVcrZYs.gif

since we used "match height"

man this is gonna kill me

Maybe I start with iPhone 5 aspect

1:09 PM

@Almo you could do a start script? grab that component, detect screen size and change the values?

change what values though

the anchor has moved my square off the screen partially

reference resolution

hmm

I thought you had to build everything using the reference resolution so the anchors know what they're doing

probably could do a really sick one liner with 20 dot operators

@Almo i have no idea

@Chris ???

Anchors are percentage based

1:11 PM

yeah iphone 5 breaks it all

because it's narrower

pivots are percentages too. but you can adjust the X and Y padding/offsets as well, but that's pixel-based

the stuff under the vertical layout object IS working though

maybe there's hope

Will adjust that answer I put up

once i get it figured out

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Player spawning for testing and editing works great now

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Now I just need to implement the collision stuff

OOOO im going to this talk!

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1:19 PM

Continuously integrating what to Unity?

CI is a development / build / automation process

@Tyyppi_77 ... with Unity.

Continuous integration

Continuous integration (CI) is the practice, in software engineering, of merging all developer working copies to a shared mainline several times a day. It was first named and proposed by Grady Booch in his 1991 method, although Booch did not advocate integrating several times a day. It was adopted as part of extreme programming (XP), which did advocate integrating more than once per day, perhaps as many as tens of times per day. The main aim of CI is to prevent integration problems, referred to as "integration hell" in early descriptions of XP. CI isn't universally accepted as an improvement over...

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Ohhhh

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I thought it was about integrating some external thing to Unity

Basically, you check in your code to your repository, which automatically triggers a build + test script, which mails you the results once done.

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1:21 PM

I kinda should've known that, now I feel a little stupid

nah its all good

The build results are typically saved (for a while), so you can pick any successful one and promote it to stable status.

it gets really fun if you start thinking about all the stuff you need to do between the "code is done for the feature XYZ" and the "does this really work on all of my platforms WIN/ MAC / Linux / Web"

can automate the crap out of the things your sick of doing 30 million times

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How would I approach combining single tile collision boxes to bigger ones?

Floodfill.

Then start simplifying the result of that by picking one box and adding the next one to it, simplifying for every step, until no more boxes are in the result set.

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1:24 PM

Okay, that sounds straight forward, thanks

@MartinSojka Know how to simplyfy a polygrid for pathfinding?

@Chris @Joe looks like if I put everything in Vertical Layout Groups, it works

not sure why that fixes it

@Almo that's the bitch of it all. something works but it doesn't properly make sense cuz it's so confusing >_<

yeah

hopefully the GridLayoutGroup will work for my playfield

if so, I think I'm set

im going to try and recreate it in the next week or so and make a github

if its the same problem im going to grab a unity employee in Boston and be like "YO WTF"

1:29 PM

lol

we should come up with a list.. "please add your questions and i will bring them to the proper authorities"

Bet one could make a small fortune with an HTML/CSS based GUI system for Unity (but without needing the webkit implementation)

and sell it on the asset store

you're probably right

:o

We should collaborate on that

just a mass parsing of a text field and swapping out $variables with stuff linked in a list

1:33 PM

Linked lists...

@Hjorthenify No, I would have to look for papers on that myself.

Alright :)

@Chris weve been saying this for years

I mean, I imagine it's hard

and maybe it'd be kinda barebones

but ahh

anything worth doing is

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1:43 PM

Someone should make an IDE plugin that orders "width" always before "height" in the autocompletion box

@Tyyppi_77 For what use?

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It's annoying because width becomes most of the times used before the height

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so selecting the first item, and then the second item would result in correct behaviour

So width is used more often than height?

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no

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1:47 PM

always before

this looks nuts gamasutra.com/blogs/AndreasZecher/20150901/252729/…

futureunfolding.com - looks pleasant

I just realized my student number follows the binary system. Now its going to be really easy to remember :D

:P

Since I'm studying computer science.. Is this a coincidence?

2:50 PM

When I shoot bullets in my d2 game I have a static movement on the x axis relative to the y axis. But now I want to shoot a bullet in the direction where my mouse cursor is standing. How can I approach this kind of scenario?

Vectors

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Yeah

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Here's some code I used in my first PyGame project:

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dx1 = pos[0] - self.shooter.pos[0]
dy1 = pos[1] - self.shooter.pos[1]
rads = math.atan2(dy1, dx1)
bullet.dx = math.cos(rads) * self.speed
bullet.dy = math.sin(rads) * self.speed

user92578

As you can see, it doesn't use vectors

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2:53 PM

But vectors will give you a nicer result I believe

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pos is the mouse position, and shooter is the player

Vectors are more performant as well

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Okay I'm really clueless on how the approach the tile collision box combining thing

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I've gathered the tiles that need to be solid into a single grid

Thank you @Hjorthenify @Tyyppi_77

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2:57 PM

No problem, I'm glad that someone here is finally asking the "easy" questions that even I can answer :D

:D

lol :D

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Basic testing is working!

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Now I just need to add everything

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3:04 PM

And implement that box combining... I think

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I might have to performance for not doing it

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But I want to be safe

If this was drawn using some kind of rectangle drawing tool, then the editor already knows where to put a combined collision box without any complicated routines to calculate it.

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True

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I have a rectangle tool

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3:11 PM

But most of the times I'll just be drawing individual tiles

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But I'm working on a simple combining algo right now

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and by simple I mean stupid

The idea is to recalc it iteratively - each time you draw or remove a box.

You start with the assumption that what you have is already a perfectly merged collision area (easily demonstrated to be true for an empty map), and then craft the iterative steps such that one perfectly merged collision area + or - a box -> another perfectly merged collision area.

@Chris You around?

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Okay I think I'm starting to get the basic idea

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3:17 PM

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So this is one the first version I'm writing

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This only generates the collision boxes once, when the level is tested

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It first places a box at every solid tile

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And then looks below

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I'm thinking that after this I'll just look left, and combine if possible