that's fair

Modders should be used to dealing with outright crap anyways, and everyone being wrong except the Hex Editor.

also interesting that only 100 are tagged as modding questions, lol. I expected a lot more than that.

agreed

oohhhh am getting comments now on 9gag :D

@TheMuffinCoder you might be able to help me with an issue if you're up for it? :D

actually nvm think I got it

or not

oh wow I just got my first wtf javascript moment in code I wrote

silently failing, thanks

omfg javascript

can I do that when it's embedded in the html?

using <script>

apparently not

w3schools.com/js/js_strict.asp

"Strict mode is declared by adding "use strict"; to the beginning of a JavaScript file, or a JavaScript function."

Oh quotes and all

Literally

heh, pretty weird, eh?

thanks for that :D

still getting silent errors, but it can only help

yeah aha it is strange

yeah... it helps, but doesn't fix everything

I was typing window.onLoad because I saw it in an SO answer, but it does nothing. So I changed it to window.onload and it works fine now

I wouldn't be surprised if alert("Hello, World!") in JavaScript displayed "Give up now" and then BSOD'd.

tip for future javascript problems: use console.log()

doesn't have to be strings. stick html elements in there, or any object

chrome developer console will format it nicely

ah thanks :)

"html elements" I mean javascript variables containing an element

but yeah

If you are targeting IE8 don't accidentally leave one in though

fuck IE, I'll get my stuff to work for Chrome on Fedora and then worry about that kinda stuff

eventually I will care though because I'll stick this on my website saying "I can do JS right bro"

just trying to expand my skillset

netmarketshare.com/…

wow, 16.05%

@SpartanDonut Holy crap. I forgot about that

I didn't even know until it happened lol

Been there done that needless to say

*211 errors

what happens? does it crash?

Crap

:p

@OMGtechy No, it just doesn't know what console is, so it throws an error

what does that mean for the user though?

Just a bunch of errors

i.e. are they silent errors or in your face errors

Silent, I think

well at least it's consistent

In CRM they are in your face and kill the rest of the JS so it was pretty extreme in my case lol

lol

Well the rest of the isolated bit of JS I wrote

ouch

well I'm gunna write pong as my js hello world

It was fine... wasn't production or anything. Just surprising when I had to troubleshoot an issue that worked flawlessly for me and it turned out to be console.log lol

is it feasible to do that in all my own JS or will I be needing a library like in other languages?

I'm using canvas

Pong you should be able to just use js

Might run into troubles with audio if you choose to implement it but otherwise I know I did it back in college when canvas was just taking off

I would have to imagine audio has gotten better over the years though

not according to @JohnMcDonald :P

xD

hah

yeah

jcpmcdonald.com/html5-audio-minefield

Well if you aren't targeting mobile the HTML5 audio tag should be fine :P

baby steps ... :P

I'll start with that then when it comes to it

eventually I'll try and make it work in as many browsers as possible

including mobile

that'll keep me busy aha

damn, I forgot how much trouble I went through for that

And yet, everyone is putting their hopes and dreams into JS :P

only to find them coerced into fears and nightmares

Yes :P

it's the only time I've looked at C++ and gone "aw there's a nicer language". Yes JS, that's how bad you are.

and with that, I go to netflix

goodnight folks

if a celebrity farted in the woods and no one was around to hear them, do you think they would admit to the fart?

depends which celebrity

some would probably go on TV and brag about it

Oprah

ITTTTSAAAA MEEEEE! OHHHHHPRRRRRRRAAHHHHH

lol

@OMGtechy goodnight folks

@OMGtechy JS is not that bad... it's the interpreters which are so bad actually

@Jon global warming. "your mom" joke .apply()

@Hjorthenify I have not worked on that, it's AttackingHobo's but it's originally from a group from GDSE (Me, Icy, others)

goifsdjgoewrj43qkj

I don't know how to feel, I guess that's technically progress or something

Although before, you could at least control flying

I just gave up on it completely

I thought that happened, based on the hipchat going dead from everyone

made an image host that I might actually be able to monetize, so I'm putting time into that and can't really switch back even if Hobo does show up in this room again

"image" host. it'll support more things as soon as I can develop for it.

nice!

What are the server specs like?

I'm a total dick today so brace yourself, but doesn't everyone write an image host that "they can monetize"

shared host right now. images stored as blobs in a database. it's horrible. XD

That sounds like file upload hello world to me.

Oh god

but I've only put 2.5 days of effort into this so far

Also @IcyDefiance would you like an app for that? I am looking for an app to write :D

already looking into S3 options for it

If you provide some sort of interface to upload then I would totally do that

(Hopes for yes)

I could do an Android build but idk if I could do a iOS build

I'm thinking of getting a shitty Mac to do iOS stuff on

you can, but I don't have money to pay for it, and I'm not gonna promise anything either even if I do monetize

That's not a problem at all

the upload interface is not remotely stable yet, though. still changing it to support more things.

Alright, that's a problem I will come to when I need to

My rage is only because I care.

of course lol

I have almost exactly a month of school left, I'll start working on it in 2 weeks or so

I have some work to sort out still

Like, are you trolling?

which of us?

Was I high as a kite every single other time I was here, and got the wrong idea

And now I'm just seeing the truth?

I don't want to call anyone out

huh?

I'm making this because people on Voat, a fast growing website, wanted an alternative to Imgur that didn't link to reddit all over the place. I figured I can do that pretty easily, and I had some ideas to make it unique, like supporting 3D meshes and making something to display them in a web browser.

I had to push it out fast though, to be "first to market" on that site

so after 2 days of effort is hacked together pretty horribly, but it works fine so far

There is no registration or login, right?

not yet

it'll never be required, but I might support accounts in the future

Ok, then I can look the other way.

Thank you.

@IcyDefiance link?

veuwer.com

I'm so tempted.... lol

Noice

What are the server specs?

@MickLH to try to break it? please do. though I should probably make another db backup real quick... XD

lol I wish I could just be honest

@Pip whatever Arvixe's personal ASP.NET plan is, lol. I don't plan to stay here for long.

Cool

The speed is pretty damn good

lol considering how shit my optimization is atm, yeah it's not bad, lol

@MickLH dude, you could rip me to shreds and I'll just pull all the useful information I can from it. pretty much the only thing that makes me angry is persistent stupidity, and I don't expect that from you at all.

TAKE THAT MOM!

I'm putting money into this thing...not a lot, but still money...so if you think it's a bad idea for some reason, I'd love to hear it before I get too committed

@Joe Binding of Isaac :D

@IcyDefiance I think it's a fantastic idea

I don't know if it's a fantastic idea or not. I just know it's the most likely idea to be good that I've had in the last couple years. XD

I like the idea

Ooh

@Pip took me like 8 hours to beat it once

:D

@IcyDefiance private file hosting?

start here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21830936#21830936

what do you mean "link to reddit everywhere" im not a imgur regular

A huge amount of the posts from reddit are hosted on imgur

basically visit imgur

the majority of the images are from reddit

oh hey, they removed the "view on reddit" link from next to each image. that must be recent.

do reddit-ians just host on imgur... or is there a direct link between the two?

@IcyDefiance I upvoted your post about veuwer :D

@Joe mostly

but yeah, imgur was originally created by a redditor for reddit. it grew a community of its own over time, but it's still tightly associated with reddit.

GOTCHA

also imgur has been known to delete pictures for political reasons, which pisses off a lot of people

ideas solid, even better with an audience asking for it

Yeah :D

voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/99639

Lots of positive feedback

I like it

be interesting to see something that makes it "unique"... like setup your server without logging, don't track or provide any way to track uploads, then you could have true "anonymous" image hosting. or something

@IcyDefiance Can you make me a spreadsheet for the API docs?

I could pull them from your code but :/

it'll just be a POST to /Home/Upload, but I'm still working out the details

I should be able to give you something concrete by the end of the week. earlier if I'm lucky.

Alright, cool

also because I'm not paying you and not maintaining the app myself, I'm not gonna be able to endorse it or anything

Yeah that's no problem

Or, you could pay me $25 for the dev license and then be done :D

That's something I'm going to need a few of because I kind of want this to be seperate from the rest of the things I build

you know what... you should just whip a real quick middle out compression algorithm for some more efficient storage

piedpiper.com

:D

Hahahahaha nice

oh btw, @Joe, you were a web guy, right? you know anything about S3 or other ways I can host files?

or maybe @MickLH would know

as it stands I'll probably try Amazon S3 and see if it works well, but I have no idea if it's the best option

hmmm I wonder if you could cheese an intermediate solution until you scale

Hm. I wonder if it would be easier to do app dev on Win8 or Ubuntu

lol as long as it's better than blobs in a database, Joe

S3 seems pretty cheap for people not using a lot of space, though

@IcyDefiance I haven't used S3 I just started using their Push notifications though

Welp. That's a non-question. I have Android Studio on Win8 already

coolcool

@OMGtechy Lmao why does IE8 still have 16% is it all of those XP users refusing to upgrade to windows 7

@IcyDefiance honestly you could probably grab one of those "unlimited" file hosting plans

until they lock you down, which they typically only do from bandwidth not storage space

my first job would offer "unlimited" to our customers this way at a huge markup

@IcyDefiance this way you could keep a lean machine with local database of links rather than blobs to your "storage"

I haven't seen one of those with an API or anything, though. They typically want me to use their interface so they can show ads.

and yeah S3 would be purely for storage too. the site itself would probably stay on shared hosting for now.

oh yea if you went this way youd be writing the middle layer yourself

mhm

lol ive used them ipage.com/ipage/index.html?source=ELI&PPCPN=

"unlimited hosting" 1.99 a month buy it for a year throw literal files on there as a second "box".. dns it with a subdomain

not fancy, but cheap.. until you hit critical mass

@IcyDefiance azure blob storage maybe?

could work. not gonna look into details yet, but thanks for the idea.

azure seemed extremely expensive last time I looked at it. I don't remember details, but last time I looked at it I gave up on hosting a website there right away.

I meant just for the files

azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/storage

also there's always compression (not a joke this time), and make sure you limit filesize, you could down convert to jpg much fewer bits per pixel

2.4c/GB...huh, that's better than Amazon

thanks, Spartan. that could work.

Yeah. Food for thought anyway. Saves you on web hosting bandwidth too

yep

Or does it... lol

It does... a little bit anyway

Yeah ignore me on this last bit xD

im thinking of ways to cheat the system now...

theoretically... one could automate the process of registering gmail accounts

and you can open google drive web public, 15g per?

lol

gotta keep speed in mind here :P

Probably against googles tos too lol

definatly against the tos, but were not storing bank account transactions or anything

lol hmm speed

actually if I want a similiar level of data durability to amazon has, azure would be more like 4.8c/GB

oh well, I'm not actually moving the images quite yet. need to rush a couple more features for the website first.

thanks for the ideas though

last one, this isnt anything that needs to be lightning fast right now... you could put up a very large raid pretty cheap in actual hardware if you use HDDs

slap dynamic dns on your router and host it from home

any old dell could serve apache faster than the shared hosting your paying for

probably against the TOS of whatever your ISP is also

but food for thought

Azure or Amazon will be cheaper if his service doesn't take off

I actually considered that one, but I only get 5 Mbps upload, and I don't want it interfering with my ping for league XD

And if his service does take off Azure or Amazon will scale better

im just saying he might HAVE the stuff already

lol fair enough

and he could get dynamic dyn for 10 bucks a month

well in that case....

but true, if this blows up... you dont want it on your personal bill

haha

take down the neighborhood before they rate limit you

I have some stuff, but not enough. Could do like 80 GB of storage and run Apache on a Rasp Pi... XD

but even a pentium or celeron chip will run centos lamp or ubuntu lamp very well

yep

Amazon gets expensive

My old, old 2008 AMD chip runs it well

Sounds like time and effort. I don't like that.

I'm such a lazy person

yep

But, Chris, as a future employee of yours I promise to give you my 110% ;D

Laziness is good though, you end up finding the easiest way to do something in the quickest amount of time

long as you're not cutting required corners

That's what my boss tells me lol

Until you end up going "yeah can't be bothered doing this at all"

a fine fence to sit on

@Chris what minimum Android SDK did you target? I'm thinking about either 8 or 15

I target Android 4.4 (v19)

but also require OpenGL ES 3.0 to weed out the older devices that can't run my game well

action platformers and input lag don't mix :/

:(

I could target OpenGL ES 2.0 and add like 5,000 "compatible" devices

would waste a lot of people's time

The fact that if I target API 8 I would get about 100% coverage

3.0 gives me about 1,200 devices

I'm writing an app for Icy's image host so idk if low APIs will be an issue

developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Cool

lol I'm not even worrying about supporting IE8

at least not yet