Game Development

I haven't much experience with Far Cry 4, but it sounded like all the AI has enough awareness and interactivity with other AI that the AI just does silly and cool and plausible things

animals and humans and lots of playing off each other

Jon

Far Cry 4 Massive Scale Battles Rhinos VS Soldiers

12:09 PM

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Chris I think jams are harder at home.

I went to a software camp where we worked for a week. Resulted in a very playable prototype. :P

You can even see it here.

Almo

@Jon 6 characters man, no numbers, so strictly speaking, it is not "alphanumberic" I did this because on iOS keyboards you have to keep switching between number and letter keyboard.

that code is to prevent bots from playing

about the interface, are you complaining about its structure, or the way it looks?

ping me because I have to leave for work now :)

Jon

@Almo the way it looks

it looks like a template

TreDubZedd

'Morning, All

Jon

ok, get ready to get your mind blown

Noa Neal ‘Graffiti’ 4K 360° Music Video Clip

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TreDubZedd

12:24 PM

Ugh. I seriously need to set up a VPN so I can YouTube at work

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

No, you need to work when you're at work.

Just like Kevin should

Kevin van der Velden

Lies

Jon

Here is the interactive version of it

eyes.kolor.com/video/bd9a95b579eb5859c8d07fe0180daea0

Kevin van der Velden

The at work bit at least, sick at home =[

And tired of lying in bed

TreDubZedd

ok, @William'MindWorX'Mariager, I need to set up a VPN so I can YouTube while my code is compiling.

Jon

12:25 PM

So the main idea for these cameras, is to create a 3d video that you could experience in a VR headset

which is going to revolutionize the film industry

You will be inside the movie

TreDubZedd

@Jon I've heard that kind of rhetoric before. I'm not sure I completely buy it. It's hard enough to ensure a good viewing experience (from the point of view of the director) when there's only one possible end viewpoint. I suspect immersive media will be a flash in the pan before everyone goes back to 2D.

Jon

i dunno.. i think if a VR helmet can get really solid, you could replace all the monitors in your house

and you could consume videos like that

TreDubZedd

I agree with that...

Jon

it would be like a holodeck

TreDubZedd

Any immersive media, for it to succeed, must be interactive.

I don't think passive immersive media will ever take off.

There's plenty of room, though, for interactive immersive media.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:33 PM

I would feel like I'd be missing things if I were to watch a movie with that 360 stuff :P

TreDubZedd

Agreed.

And it would be somewhat tedious to "re-watch" from various different angles, just to avoid missing something.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah

Jon

of course

it would be like you are controlling time

you guys have really weak vision

TreDubZedd

That may be...but it may be that we understand human psychology pretty well.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Personally, I'm mostly looking forward to how the HoloLens will work.

The video is amazing, but I have to see it work before I get my hopes up :P

TreDubZedd

12:36 PM

Yeah, I think augmented reality capabilities opens it up as an even more useful device.

Jon

It will not work anywhere near as good as it shows in the videos

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Obviously

TreDubZedd

Certainly not at first. And probably not until it's dead and gone, and Apple revives it.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm just hoping for usable, perhaps in simpler situations.

TreDubZedd

(though that would take the Ghost of Jobs to accomplish, I'm sure)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:37 PM

I would love a 3d overlay when roleplaying. Interactive battlemat.

TreDubZedd

Hm...now I kinda want to DM a game wherein everyone is actually a miniature in a living room setting...but, of course, they don't know that.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Haha

Climbing books and CD covers and escaping rolling cheese balls :P

TreDubZedd

and the occasional colossus-style giant.

it could get very meta, very quick

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah :P

TreDubZedd

Maybe have the PCs take on a giant NPC, whose actions correspond directly to one of the actual human players.

...and when the PCs are victorious in "killing" the giant human, that human's PC becomes comatose or something

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

1:18 PM

Movies and shows use tricks to make 24 FPS look higher right? Smoothing between frames or something?

TreDubZedd

Some games do, too, if I understand correctly

The idea is that the "blur" is caught on film during that 1/24 s, so there aren't tearing artifacts.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hm

Kevin van der Velden

@William'MindWorX'Mariager those aren't tricks, that's the act of recording a real thing =p

Joe

@Chris I miss our GDSE game Jams

good morning GDSE

Kevin van der Velden

Morning

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

1:24 PM

Okay

TreDubZedd

@KevinvanderVelden They're tricks used in stop-motion filming

...which isn't too dissimilar from gamedev

Kevin van der Velden

Aah in that it's tricks =p

Jon

issue with this type of pathfinder

Kevin van der Velden

Fun times

Jon

i need to raycast the path to validate it

or taking suggestions

TreDubZedd

1:27 PM

Place your nodes manually

Jon

i wanted to avoid doing that.

TreDubZedd

fair enough

Joe

more granular nodes?

Kevin van der Velden

Do you have a way if invalidating connections between nodes?

user92578

navmesh?

Joe

1:28 PM

half the grid size / round the corners?

Jon

aha

invalidate connections

that is the trick

Kevin van der Velden

^^

Jon

thanks Kevin

Kevin van der Velden

And it's just an int of data with every node

Jon

Yeah, it will greatly improve the map doing that

fix that issue

each node has 8 connections

Kevin van der Velden

1:30 PM

Oh diagonal is allowed to?

Jon

yeah

Kevin van der Velden

Still just a byte (don't know why I said int)

Jon

yeah, 8 bits is all i need

aight, i should release an article on how to do this after

seems to be lacking for 2d, for material online on how to do something like this

quite frankly, it would probably be easier to just store it as an int

as a bitmask value

Kevin van der Velden

Oh right, C#?

Jon

0 to 255

well, a byte.. whatevs

Kevin van der Velden

1:36 PM

@Jon hey, you're just copying me =p

Jon

easier to store -- but more difficult to code around

write a bunch of helper properties

all paths are shared between nodes

Kevin van der Velden

You're doing A*? When adding the next nodes to visits just check the bit 1<<(i-1)

Jon

yah, that is fine

Mutch95

Blender is cool :D

Jon

the issue is checking to see if there is a wall between two nodes :)

Mutch95

1:38 PM

tinypic.com/r/2z8vj2u/8

SpartanDonut

Nice

I'm optimistic that today will be a good day

Almo

back in UE 2.5, when setting up path nodes, it would do thing where it moved an agent around trying to see which nodes were navigable from one to the other

user92578

when you are remote controlling your PC on your laptop and want to turn the laptop off but don't remember the remote controlling so you accidentally close the PC :(

Kevin van der Velden

Oops

Joe

@SpartanDonut how can you be so sure?!

SpartanDonut

1:44 PM

I'm not

Joe

well I hope it is too

SpartanDonut

It would be better if tomorrow was a good day. I've got another test tomorrow that I'm not so confident on as of right now xD

Joe

what kinda of test? just get some caffeine in your veins and just smash that knowledge into your brain

Lokkij

So Pillars of Eternity seems to be quite good. Does anyone here own it?

Almo

not me

SpartanDonut

1:46 PM

Microsoft Certification Exam on SharePoint development

Lokkij

Huh what's wrong with the markdown?

user92578

@Lokkij missing a http:/?

Lokkij

That's it, thanks

user92578

np

user92578

use http

user92578

1:47 PM

not https

user92578

doesn't work

Kevin van der Velden

@Lokkij people in gaming chat are really liking it

Several backed it on kickstarter

Joe

@SpartanDonut ahh your going to be fine! and good luck bro

Lokkij

Yeah it looks awesome

Martin Sojka

2:08 PM

Wait ... so Unity has its own version of "epsilon" in the form of Mathf.Epsilon (as opposed to .NET's Single.Epsilon) ... yet they still insist on making it the utterly useless "smallest possible positive float value" instead of the proper "machine epsilon" (a.k.a. "smallest value you can add to 1.0f which isn't lost due to loss of precision"). WHY?!?

Wardy

@Lokkij yeh i noticed that ... shame no multiplayer though

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I should make a property editor for things :P Just like @Tyyppi_77 has for GunHero.

It just seems so infinitely awesome.

I'm just afraid I'd end up playing around with it instead :P

Kevin van der Velden

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Release it when you release the game!

user92578

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I do?

user92578

oh right I do

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

2:17 PM

Did you talk about that? To change entities on the fly :P

user92578

"GameTweaker"

user92578

well variables on the fly

user92578

oh god I'm lerping lerping factors again

Jon

solved.

just need to work on movement physics a lot more, lol

user92578

looks good

Almo

2:27 PM

:)

user92578

so is that a*?

Jon

yeah

dynamic

you define a gameobject as the "area" to generate a map on

it sets a bunch of nodes on the defined area, and raycasts to see if there is a wall or not

Then the second pass, raycasts between connections to see if it is a valid path

Then with this level data, the pathfinder does its thing

you can lower the distance between nodes -- at a higher calc

TreDubZedd

You might consider doing the raycast as part of the A* algorithm--instead of a preprocess. That way, nodes that aren't ever considered don't count against you.

...That is, assuming you're doing everything at run-time

If you're baking all the mesh info as a preprocess, raycasting at that point makes perfect sense

Jon

oh yeah , i'm baking in the a* map

that is the whole point

each node can be updated individually as well, in case data changes :)

heheh

they could pass off as toddlers running around

TreDubZedd

Have some of 'em run around with their heads turned another way, and you'd definitely have toddler-bots.

Jon

2:39 PM

hehe :) Yeah the movement code is jsut something I threw up for testing

i like writing prototypes.. might just do that for a while

user92578

Anyone used SDL2's rendering stuff?

user92578

I was wondering if there was an easy way to render all texture pixels with certain color

user92578

I can set the shade of a texture, but that is just shading the colors, not replacing

user92578

I'm trying to make the entities "flash" when they take damage

TreDubZedd

@Tyyppi_77 Could you write a shader to do it?

user92578

2:44 PM

SDL doesn't support shaders, which I'm really sad about

user92578

It makes no sense, as they already use hardware rendering

user92578

But I guess it's about cross-platform stuff

Kevin van der Velden

SDL also has software fallback I think

TreDubZedd

2

Q: Bind SDL2 texture to GLSL shader

I'm trying to bind a sdl2 texture to a glsl shader though I'm not entirely sure how? I'm using a library called glfx to handle the glsl shaders and I've been helping with the development of this library as well. I'm pretty sure I've got everything else right but it crashes when I call SDL_GL_Bind...

user92578

Yeah

user92578

2:45 PM

That requires using OpenGL for rendering

user92578

and SDL for the media access and windowing

user92578

I'm using SDL's rendering pipeline

user92578

like I can easily make the sprites blink to black

user92578

but I'd like to blink them to white

user92578

these times I hope I'd went with SFML

Jon

2:57 PM

from what I gather, SFML > SDL

Almo

Some Fucking Markup Language is better than Shitty Down Load?

Jon

I thought it was Shit Fuck My Life

Almo

heheh

looks like there are still some mods in here...

was there an incident last night?

Jon

dunno

user92578

Thanks for affecting color modulation with blend mode, SDL

user92578

2:59 PM

oh wait you dont fucking do that

SpartanDonut

There was an incident a couple days ago. Could just be lingering from that

Almo

ah right

user92578

so, I guess I have two options: doing the flash sprites in GIMP, or looping trough all sprites run-time and creating copies that have their visible pixels replaced with a given color

Kevin van der Velden

Runtime best time

Hjorthenify

Run time, fun time

user92578

3:12 PM

runtime slow time tough

user92578

looping trough pixels aint fast

Kevin van der Velden

For something you do once, on startup?

Negligible

user92578

true

user92578

it's just like... what if I need to do it for variable colors

user92578

I can't do that at startup

user92578

3:14 PM

WHY SDL, WHY?

user92578

all I'd need is a SDL_SetTexureColorModBlendMode(SDL_BLENDMODE_REPLACE);

user92578

with SDL_BLENDMODE_REPLACE being dstRGB = colorModRGB; dstA = dstA;

Hjorthenify

What are you trying to do again?

user92578

Make entities flash with a color when they get damaged

Hjorthenify

Uhm I made a creature become more red and at last black when burned in SDL

user92578

3:17 PM

yeah, I can do red easily

user92578

but not bright colors, like white

Hjorthenify

But?

Ahh right

user92578

because the formula used for color mod

user92578

srcC = srcC * (color / 255)

user92578

because with white srcC = srcC

Jon

3:18 PM

The revolution has started

how many people are employed as cashiers for McDonald's currently?

Hjorthenify

@Tyyppi_77 Don't OpenGL have functionality for that?

Also can't you just add to the picture to achieve whiter sprite?

SpartanDonut

@Jon I for one highly welcome this

I get harassed everytime I say no cheese on my salad

Jon

sexually?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@SpartanDonut Heretic!

Almo

if i have a 6GB win pc, and 1.5GB is supposedly free according to the perfmonitor... should I not be experiencing slowdown problems?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

3:24 PM

No salad in your salad makes more sense than no cheese.

Almo

changing programs seems really slow

Jon

a minimized application will sometimes shift its memory into paging

Almo

ok that seems to be what's happening then

i have 2 Unitys, an android studio, 3 VS 2013s plus two browsers outlook text editor and skype open

Jon

yeah, lol

TreDubZedd

That could do it.

Almo

3:27 PM

oh yeah plus itunes and lync

user92578

@Hjorthenify I don't use OpenGL, I use SDL

Hjorthenify

I know, but SDL is build upon OpenGL and is very easy to extend with it

user92578

It's also built on top of DX

user92578

And you can't really add OpenGL stuff to it's pipeline

user92578

It's relatively easy to set up a window and methods to use OpenGL with it

user92578

3:33 PM

But that's not an answer for me

Kevin van der Velden

Holy fuck BGFX debug rendering is slow, removing 15 lines of text takes out 10 miliseconds

Hjorthenify

@Tyyppi_77 Have you tried using the add blending then?

That would make it brighter

user92578

the blending doesn't apply to the color mod

Hjorthenify

@Tyyppi_77 No but it would make it brighter to create your desired flash effect

user92578

only if there is a sprite behind the entity

Hjorthenify

3:39 PM

True. Maybe there is an extension for SDL? I know I found one for text-rendering

Lokkij

Abathur is so much fun.

I regularly get double/triple kills with ultimate evolution.

Almo

:)

I'm really having fun with Hammer and Jaina

oh and Nova

resetting triple tap. just start hunting down stragglers and picking them off

Lokkij

When I played her I found triple tap somewhat unreliable.

Jon

The Cicret Bracelet Review

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Almo

it's troublesome in someways... like a good nova player will drop a clone in front of it. also it stops on damagable buildings (but not other terrain)

Jon

3:52 PM

so fake

Almo

what is it supposed to be?

one of these power-bracelets like Q-Ray?

Jon

it says it has a picoprojector, and 8 long range distance sensors

they don't have a working prototype.. the video is faked

Almo

what's a picoprojector?

Jon

Lokkij

The only downside of ultimate evolution is you have to know how to play the hero you're copying; otherwise you're just standing there mashing buttons.

Almo

3:54 PM

"do what you use to do"

bad grammar, fuck 'em.

@Lokkij haha yeah

Jon

it is a projector that is small

Almo

as soon as you put your finger down, it would block the projector

Jon

annnnnnnnd

snopes.com/photos/technology/cicret.asp

Pommier says he and three partners are trying to raise money on their own, through PayPal instead of standard crowdfunding vehicles such as Kickstarter.

"We need someone who'd put up some money to allow us to finish a prototype," says Pommier.

Almo

you want someone to put up money and you can't even get basic grammar right in your promo video

fuck that

Jon

man, the promo video screams scam

lol

Almo

3:58 PM

yeah

Jon

its like those other vids.. hold on.

Almo

not going to get that kind of white balance projecting on skin either

my prediction is that this remains vaporware

Jon

Euclideon Makes World’s Most Realistic Graphics

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and the wiki on it

Euclideon

Euclideon Pty Ltd is an Australian computer software company best known for an unreleased middleware 3D graphics engine, called Unlimited Detail. Euclideon claims it is based on a point cloud search engine indexing system and that the technology can provide 'unlimited graphics power', surpassing the need for polygon-based rendering. In 2010 Euclideon was the recipient of approximately $2 million, the largest grant awarded by the Australian Federal Government under its new Commercialisation Australia initiative. The funds provided by the grant will support the implementation of multi-platfor...

I think it is a bunch of bullshit

He scammed 2 million out of it

Kevin van der Velden

Ooh that thing

Jon

Good for him.

Euclideon SOLIDSCAN - Capture Reality

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Euclideon will be releasing two games in 2015 using this technology and are currently open for investors in its games division, if you are interested please contact us.

I mean... it has quite a huge disparity between the claims, and that final video -- Also, notice that the world is all static.

Its like he created videos with a bunch of photographs, and added some parallaxing effects

Pay attention to the pillars

or the leaves

Kevin van der Velden

4:10 PM

Or the cobble walls

Jon

euclideon.com/products/geoverse

Its a huge hoax.

Here is a guy that thinks he has it all figured out

Euclideon Unlimited Detail Is A Hoax

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ca.ign.com/articles/2015/03/25/…

Its gonna be a Nintendo Phone.

thats my guess.

which would be a pretty insane move

TreDubZedd

maybe they're launching their own VR environment

take the 3DS up a notch.

Jon

holy fuck

TreDubZedd

Or maybe just half-a-notch, to holography.

Jon

Nintendo eShop - Dot Arcade

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No seriously.. what the fuck

Watch this

TreDubZedd

4:22 PM

can't--blocked

Jon

These asshats get featured by Nintendo

for something that is a step back from an atari 2600 game

Kevin van der Velden

Wieee bugs that only show up in release mode!

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Jon the scenes are made out of laser scans, not pictures. The issue is that doing so, you'd have to make sure you scan each and every face correctly to have the proper data. And it doesn't seem that the scans were made correctly.

I don't think his stuff is an hoax, but I do think that if it was really that awesome, it would already have been out there in games.

Jon

Oh, it sounds like a major hoax to me -- he's been apparently working on it since 2010

No demo, other than these cryptic youtube videos, with a douchey voiceover

And the demos always seem to not really be related to each other between the years that he posted

Anyways, he managed to con his government into giving him 2 million, so he does have something to show

His claim -- all game engines are stupid -- mine fixes that.

with UNLIMITED DATA RENDERING

Alexandre Vaillancourt

4:39 PM

Yeah; well as it's been said: nothing dynamic; if his stuff can display them very fast, good, but what if you decide you want to move something in there?

Lokkij

Comment on the Pillars of Eternity trailer:
> I'm watching this while the game is installing
Paradox's response:
> Is the install process "gripping, immersive and a fresh take on a classic genre"?

user4704

I forgot that shipped today, I was going to take off work :P

Jon

Dot Arcade?

lol.. that is why no one came in today

#1 comment -- "Well.... this looks, bland."