Game Development

Ok lets call those 3 PCs mine, my roommate's, and the music studio PC, now add all the Vacuum Tube amplifiers, now add the table saws drill presses etc

Ali.S

ok... why there is only 9 results for this search?

google.com/search?q=%22they%27ve+lost+so+much+to%22

Jon

7:48 PM

fawk man, u running up some bills bro

wuts your pizza bill at?

Honestly though, hows that tube amp?

MickLH

@Jon Oh you don't want to know.

Jon

I do want to know

MickLH

@Jon Which one?

Jon

Does it have that scratchy vacuum sound?

MickLH

Lol no? hard to explain but not scratchy

I mean you can get that sound, but I think that defeats the purpose

They really shine when you turn them "clean" and they give just that subtle x * sqrt(x) distortion

Jon

7:52 PM

Steve Wozniak Showing Off His NIXIE Tube Watch

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MickLH

I mean you can do it all digital as a post-process and get just as good quality by working with oversampled data

But the latency quality combo of analog gear is unbeatable for actually playing on

Jon

interesting

you should have children

MickLH

ugh I been noticing that, seems like there's not much good genetic material available in the (horrible metaphor) sea of it

TheMuffinCoder

LOL

MickLH

oh of course! as soon as you say "sea of genetic material" there are kids in the room. OF COURSE!

@Jon I was gonna say I'm doing my part because I never wear a condom... But you know actually that's an extremely serious personality defect that I should not glorify, and I've just been lucky the times I got lucky.

Jon

7:59 PM

you need to spread the seed

NEED TO SPREAD THE SEED, everyone say it with me, NEED TO SPREAD THE SEED

@TheMuffinCoder hey, you wanna make some low poly models for my space taxi game?

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder hey, you wanna make some super HD flawless models for all my projects with real world scale and perfect manifold meshes?

Jon

I'm just looking for some shitty graphics

I"ll give you money when I make some

i don't even want the meshes

just 2d renders

sell the meshes

MickLH

And if you could create control cages with heightmaps and normal maps suitable for hardware tessellation that would be great

lol sorry @Jon

I'm outright trolling. I hope somebody had fun.

Almo

@MickLH that's like an argument for analog gear that makes sense. Latency.

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon NEED TO SPREAD THE SEED

MickLH

8:02 PM

@Almo Yes! It's really the only way to have maximum quality and minimum latency at the same time.

Even clocking a nice gaming rig up to 5 ghz with a high quality professional asynchronous audio interface doesn't touch the latency

And even with that hardcore machine, after you compromise latency, you still don't have enough time to solve the perfect signal frame for every sample.

I'm sure you can imagine, programmers tend to get batchy when you're trying to push 88200 frames per second

Almo

:D

MickLH

So most of these programs can't even deal with batches of samples smaller than like 64

and that's.... insanely optimistic

expect 512

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon Sorry Jon but because of school, I don't have much time to contribute to modeling at the moment

Jon

quit

TheMuffinCoder

LOL

MickLH

8:08 PM

lol that's a dangerous option, but it works for some

TheMuffinCoder

I'm not good enough at modeling or programming atm to do such thing

MickLH

I'll recommend against it because I work way harder than I should have to, because I don't have a fancy enough degree

TheMuffinCoder

Yea, I'm doing my best to maintain my GPA and taking as many AP's as I can to get a decent Computer Sci Major without being a burden to my family

Jon

You could stand to make hundreds

Almo

hahaha

TheMuffinCoder

8:10 PM

LOL I wish

Jon

think about all the hundreds you will make

MickLH

lol

TheMuffinCoder

I do regret playing league instead of modeling during the Summer

I could had learned how to animate and have a full library of models

Jon

strange, i regret coding throughout college instead of banging chicks

MickLH

fuck I gotta go throw a rack at SMUD so they don't shut off my power :/

TheMuffinCoder

8:11 PM

Lol I rather work harder rn than date ppl so that I can have a higher standard later on

MickLH

Good lol

But don't pass up your short-term opportunities either

Jon

man are you ever going to regret that

get super wasted and bang as many disgusting girls as you can now

TheMuffinCoder

LOL

MickLH

Just be sure and bang the hot girl while she's still easy, @TheMuffinCoder

TheMuffinCoder

Lol I can do that once I'm finish with school

MickLH

8:12 PM

lol @Jon shhhh he's square, don't go there yet

TheMuffinCoder

Once school is over, it'll only be the gym and coding for me

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder how old are you?

Jon

I like to look at the gym as a guy... called Jim

Almo

don't burn yourself out man

TheMuffinCoder

I'm 16! :D

MickLH

8:13 PM

You don't need to go to the gym for girls

Please, don't. Only go to the gym for your own health.

TheMuffinCoder

LOL obviously

Jon

yeah, gym is to work on yourself

MickLH

If your health is good enough, just walk around and do some pull ups and stuff

TheMuffinCoder

LOL I'm not going to the gym for the girls, I just want to be really healthy

Being healthier == I can code/learn faster

MickLH

Gym training takes you past "healthy" in that sense

TheMuffinCoder

8:14 PM

oh :(

MickLH

If you want to work out your brain, do exactly that

TheMuffinCoder

Lol I am! :D

Gotta learn all those SAT vocab words

MickLH

I don't know when they teach about working out, so sorry if I'm reviewing.... You need to take breaks from your workout some days.

It's during that break, that you actually gain strength

Jon

at school, you don't really learn about taking care of your own body

Nor do you learn about how to take care of personal finances

TheMuffinCoder

Lol they don't teach anything in school

I go there just so I can take the tests

Jon

8:16 PM

Modern schools are for dumb kids

MickLH

Literally for them.

Jon

Literally.

TheMuffinCoder

@MickLH Mick I hope you don't think I'm that ignorant xD but thanks again for caring! :D

MickLH

Look into the no child left behind act if you think we're joking, at all

TheMuffinCoder

?

MickLH

8:17 PM

@TheMuffinCoder Lol hey! I prefixed it with as much "sorry if this is review" as I could lol

Jon

Or look at a math book from the 1930s

Almo

"no child left behind" is a huge bunch of bs

more like "no child encrouraged to excel"

TheMuffinCoder

LOL

Almo

seriously

MickLH

@Almo that's exactly what my mom said lol

Almo

8:18 PM

I have a friend who's a math dept chair, and he gets to deal with the fallout

Jon

they cater to the dumbest.

MickLH

like word for word, even with a different voice for the quoted parts

Jon

the smart kids get left behind, so to speak.

Almo

they have to cater to the dumbest.

fuckin stupid shit >:(

sorry that gets me angrier than windows

MickLH

lol

TheMuffinCoder

8:19 PM

yea I feel that way and I'm supposedly in the advance classes (AP Calculus AB, AP Biology, AP US History, AP Chemistry)

I hope college/uni is much better

MickLH

It's busy work they are really teaching you, btw

How to be a worker bee and not think.

I mean the excuse for homework is a fallacy, they say "practice makes perfect" but if I ace the test on the first day of class why do I still have to do the homework? I obviously already practiced to perfection.

TheMuffinCoder

ikr! They should assign harder questions rather than many time consuming easy ones

MickLH

They should, if they were trying to encourage independent thought and intellectual advancement.

That's not really so useful in the workplace, enough of that slips through the cracks already to cause problems, we need more worker bees.

TheMuffinCoder

:( apparently my school isn't going to have AP computer science next year

the two teachers that could teach it left the school this summer

Ali.S

Top 50 Gameshow fails (2nd edition)

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TheMuffinCoder

8:28 PM

Hey guys I have a legitimate question about C++ vs C

MickLH

do it

TheMuffinCoder

I'm going to either learn C++ or C starting now to make my first full game but I want to ensure that I can port to Windows, Linux, Android (and possibly Webgl) the easiest

MickLH

oh god, Android? really?

TheMuffinCoder

Lol the controls I have in plan would work for Android well

Ali.S

@TheMuffinCoder I would go with C++/cocos2dx

MickLH

8:30 PM

@TheMuffinCoder Learn basics of C, and then move on to C++

TheMuffinCoder

Isn't Cocos for ios?

@MickLH Thanks Mick!

I was about to learn C++ before C xD you saved me already

Ali.S

@TheMuffinCoder that's cocos2d-iphone

MickLH

lol cool, yeah stick with C until you understand pointers

TheMuffinCoder

Lol I don't plan on porting to any apple devices

MickLH

once you make pointers your bitch, move on to C++

TheMuffinCoder

8:31 PM

LOL

god fuck android

^

D: but why?

@MickLH that's a concrete answer... the only problem is no one understands pointers

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder "Android Studio"

Almo

8:31 PM

because android has horrible tools

TheMuffinCoder

LOL but I'm not going to have to code for android/in java

I'll just make minimal changes to make my code port to it

Almo

good luck building with android studio

MickLH

You're gonna have to make a shim bro, I'm sorry

Almo

what a fucking hassle

TheMuffinCoder

You forgot, I used to only code for android

Almo

8:32 PM

gradle scripting wtf

keep it that way: "used to"

TheMuffinCoder

LOL

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder ok all our disgust you're seeing?

Almo

:)

MickLH

You're about to experience the inverse, in the form of pleasure, as you move away from Android

TheMuffinCoder

Lol the room's disgust has already spread to me a lot time ago resulting in my harsh dislike of java

Hey Mick

Ali.S

8:33 PM

@Almo who needs tools? when you have cmd?

TheMuffinCoder

If I get to the point where I understand pointers in C, why would I go to C++ then?

MickLH

You'll go to implement simple things, and it wont take 2 hours of learning how to use a MultiNumberAdderSpecialCaseForTwoNumbersOnlyModuleGeneratorFactory

Almo

because you get inheritance and classes and nice OO stuff

MickLH

^ (and you'll be able to use it all, without dying of confusion)

Almo

C got none of that

TheMuffinCoder

8:34 PM

Lol okay

Almo

writing C is almost writing ASM

MickLH

C is literally meant to be abstract ASM

Almo

ain't nobody got time for that

TheMuffinCoder

Don't hate on my folllowing ignorance But if I stick to C, I get to avoid bad practice and wouldn't I use better practices?

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder C isn't really better, just simpler.

TheMuffinCoder

8:35 PM

Ah kk

MickLH

It's SO EASY to do bad bad things in C

Almo

that's like saying you should go back to computers that gave you results tomorrow, since your code has to work the first time or it takes you months to do anything

TheMuffinCoder

Lol once I understand the basics of C and C++ it'll come down to which ports better SDL or SFML

Almo

programmers actually said people would become worse programmers with the advent of instant results

MickLH

It's obvious, and can we call it proven yet?

Almo

8:36 PM

like somehow it should continue to suck

MickLH

Look at how much processing power has increased, look at how much functionality has increased...

I remember playing pinball in color on DOS, with music in the background

TheMuffinCoder

Hey Almo, so it's the way to go by learning the basics of C (including pointers) first then to C++

user4704

Just learn C++.

MickLH

The first step of learning C++ is learning C.

Whether he tries to or not.

TheMuffinCoder

I see

LOL i will!

I'll regret if i do anything different then what you guys say to do

user4704

8:37 PM

Old C has a few subtle differences from C++. Modern C is increasingly not a subset of C++.

TheMuffinCoder

youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6gx4Cwl9DGAKIXv8Yr6nhGJ9Vlcjyymq

MickLH

Welcome to regret, since josh and I just said conflicting things lol

TheMuffinCoder

Okay found a nice tutorial for all of C! :D

user4704

It's often very hard to find actual "C" learning resource as well, much of them are polluted by compiling C as C++.

MickLH

But I'll clear up what I meant, so that we can all see that we agree

TheMuffinCoder

8:38 PM

Too late, I'm learning the basics of C now D:

MickLH

Keeping all the templates and classes out of the picture will force him to learn the "low level"

TheMuffinCoder

Lol I want to learn the low level! :D

user4704

Like, hello world in C! int main () { printf("Hi"); int q = 0; printf("%d", q"); }

user4704

oops, not C!

Pip

eyo

user4704

8:39 PM

(can't declare variables in the middle of the block)

MickLH

@JoshPetrie I'm partly relying on that even

Nobody is talking about learning C99

That's useless

Just the thing we all refer to as "C" nowadays.

Pip

sup @TheMuffinCoder

MickLH

I want to call it "C++ without Classes" but nobody will enjoy the joke

TheMuffinCoder

Hi Pip! :D

Pip

Sup

MickLH

8:40 PM

hey @Pip

Pip

Just got the second to last batch of my 3D printer parts shipped today!

Whooo!

Almo

@TheMuffinCoder I never said that. Other people did.

MickLH

sweet pip what for?

Almo

I knew very little C when I jumped into C++. I did that because I wanted to use an application-building framework called PowerPlant for Codewarrior, which required C++.

TheMuffinCoder

Lol don't worry Almo I knew it wasn't u, I was asking if you felt Mick's way was correct :P

Almo

8:41 PM

3 weeks to get a window to show up, and another week to get buttons wired up. Soon after, I had my Othello game working and you played against an AI

Looking back on the code, it was pretty inefficient. But he played well. Just kind of slow. :)

Pip

@MickLH to build a 3D printer ofc :P

Mostly for robotics and misc. electronics projects

MickLH

lol, ofc

@TheMuffinCoder since josh is calling me out on semantics, and with a valid point that you might run in to.... I will be highly explicit: I don't care if you start with C or C++, but I want you to learn the low level concepts before the actually using it as a high level language, I'll make a checklist

TheMuffinCoder

Thx! :D

Lol I was already downloading the compiler for C

user4704

@Almo Powerplant!

user4704

sourceforge.net/projects/open-powerplant it's open source!

Almo

8:46 PM

woa

TheMuffinCoder

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Q: Should I learn C before learning C++?

I visited a university CS department open day today and in the labs tour we sat down to play with a couple of final-year projects from undergraduate students. One was particularly good - a sort of FPS asteroids game. I decided to take a peek in the src directory to find it was done in C++ (most o...

c++ c

Well then Josh was right! :D

Ali.S

@MickLH man... pointer is no low level at all

I mean it's low level as in bare-hardware-stuff... but it's really complex subject

Almo

C will still make you learn pointers well, and those are important in C++

that's one of Mick's main points.

Ali.S

personally I prefer working with references before getting into pointers...

TheMuffinCoder

But wouldn't I learn that anyway while learning C++? :L

Almo

8:52 PM

you can't get lost in all the class/template/oo shit in C++ if you're in C, and that lets you concentrate on pointers and how the fuck they work

user4704

@TheMuffinCoder Yup.

Almo

you can do this either way

Ali.S

they are basically same but you're pretty easier working with them

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder Build a solid understanding of these concept groups in whatever order.
1. The subtle details of how "scope" works.
2. How C arrays and strings work.
3. How structures and data work, memory layouts.
4. The difference between stack and heap
5. When it's a good time to delete your heap memory.

Almo

Just know that they're some tricky shit, and that you should really learn them properly

MickLH

8:53 PM

shit this is getting out of hand, sent early

I don't care if you learn C at all, but you must learn C arrays.

TheMuffinCoder

Oh man its what Josh says against Mick and Almo

user4704

As with much of C++, there's a lot of sketchy half-truths and misinformation floating around about pointers.

TheMuffinCoder

o.O

Ali.S

@MickLH but that's not the very first thing he should learn...

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder Not at all

TheMuffinCoder

8:54 PM

Hey Mick!

MickLH

We're agreeing on every point so far, but he's being semantically precise beyond the level of terminology in this conversation

TheMuffinCoder

oh LOL

Almo

no, LoL

TheMuffinCoder

well yolo, I always wanted to learn C anyway :D

Then I'll learn C++ (with the basics of C) and compare what I like

Ali.S

@Almo @MickLH So if i'm right.. you think learning C-Arrays should happen before working with vectors?

or std arrays?

Almo

8:56 PM

by vector you mean the STL vector?

Ali.S

@Almo yep

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder When you said "learn C" I took that to mean, learn how to write C++ without using any C++ features

TheMuffinCoder

yep!

Almo

Yeah, I think knowing how C-Arrays work is a good idea. Vectors have all that confusing iterator shit

TheMuffinCoder

I don't mind not using oo for now :P

MickLH

8:56 PM

@Ali.S Honestly, I ignored this stuff because he doesn't need arguments for arguments sake right now.

It's a confusing topic about a confusing topic already.

user4704

I think it's really hard to split C++ into bits and pieces for easy, sequenced learning.

Almo

not like it takes long to figure out how c arrays work

user4704

I think knowing bare arrays and vector are both important.

MickLH

I will point out, that in my list in progress, I said "whatever order"

TheMuffinCoder

Lol don't worry guys, I'm going to C

user4704

8:57 PM

But as for the order in which you learn about them? I can see pros and cons for either.

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder I wanted to explain specifically but everyone jumped in.

TheMuffinCoder

once I understand as much as I can, I'll begin to learn C++

MickLH

Stop earlier.

user4704

Both will help you understand the other (knowing pointers can help understanding of the iterator concept, and the other way around)

Almo

probably the best idea is to pick something to program, then learn the bits you need to get that to work

MickLH

8:57 PM

Once you make pointers your bitch, forget about C and switch to C++

user4704

@Almo Yeah.

MickLH

Don't waste any time learning anything C specific

TheMuffinCoder

Kk then bye!

user4704

There we got, third try!

Almo

:D

TheMuffinCoder

8:58 PM

Gotta go start watching these tutorials

C Programming Tutorial - 2 - Setting Up Code Blocks

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user4704

I think it's better to orient one's learning of C++ around tasks rather than language constructs.

MickLH

51 secs ago, by Almo

probably the best idea is to pick something to program, then learn the bits you need to get that to work

TheMuffinCoder

I hope thenewboston is a right place ; - ;

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder I think this is the most important point we're all converging to as you disappear :P

Motivation to keep going will demolish any ignorance that may be in the way right now.

TheMuffinCoder

oh really? xD I thought it was "learn language concepts, ignore the specifics then move to C++"

Dave

8:59 PM

Don't suppose some one could help me with a camera easing function im trying to implement here: jsfiddle.net/br30ccyv , i am trying to get the camera to move to the loction the user clicks on the canvas.

Ali.S

@JoshPetrie so true...

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