Game Development

where you have to balance resources between troop morale, weapons development, and mind control, to see if you can secretly win the war and take over your enemies while having their population think they won the war

Lasse

I'd play that

Kevin van der Velden

@Almo not in the way he was planning I believe =p

Almo

could be :)

Lasse

2:12 PM

I wonder if I should use some math library like Eigen instead of implementing my own vectors, matrices and quaternions. I can see the benefit but are there any drawbacks? I don't know any game engines that do use ready made math libraries.

MickLH

Use a ready made math library.

Lasse

K

user92578

@KevinvanderVelden but i dont want to do that

Almo

I would totally use existing math lib

Kevin van der Velden

@Lasse use GLM

MickLH

2:13 PM

Every game engine that didn't use an existing math library, made a huge mistake lol

Source: I made several huge mistakes.

Lasse

yeah me too, but I still don't know any game engine that uses any ready made libraries

I don't know about Unreal Engine though

MickLH

I was gonna say "Use GLM" as my initial reply actually

But I thought you were using C#

totally use GLM if it's an option.

Lasse

I need to look GLM up, I was looking at Eigen

Eigen supports SSE and stuff

MickLH

@Almo You're late on the queue! Bad DJ!

Kevin van der Velden

@Lasse solution: Implement both and tell me which one is better

I've had good experience with glm though

user92578

2:16 PM

pastebin.com/5vLXfjVu

MickLH

I like GLM for its design, never evaluated performance of it.

user92578

Yeah this is a lot cleaner than a ton of arrays in a cpp file

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH I've never had it be the bottleneck

MickLH

If I need performance I just head for my math program, and figure out a better formula instead of trying to speed up the building blocks.

Kevin van der Velden

But then, I never did much with it in relation to the rest of the program

@Tyyppi_77 you might wanna consider naming it something different then ENUM_ENTRY to be more descriptive, DECLARE_ENTITY perhaps?

user92578

2:17 PM

Ah, right, good idea

Lasse

glm clrearly has easier to approach design

http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/dox/group__QuickRefPage.html
versus
http://glm.g-truc.net/0.9.7/code.html

Kevin van der Velden

Also, I'd remove the commas at the end of lines, that can be done in the macro and not having it allows you to make statements that end with semicolons

@Lasse eigen also has a bunch of non-game-math functionality

MickLH

I'm glad I made nice with @KevinvanderVelden before getting trapped in this next level chemical induced laziness

Lasse

yeah it does

MickLH

I would sure hate to have to fully wake up and try to 1up him right now lol

@KevinvanderVelden that was supposed to be like a digital hug

To thank you for helping others, I get to sit around being useless and still feel like all is OK in the chat.

Kevin van der Velden

2:23 PM

@MickLH digital hugs second-best hugs

MickLH

is that bad-translation for "digital hugs can wait, we'll have best hugs" ?

user92578

So please stop me if I'll be doing something wrong

user92578

But now that I've got my .inl file setup

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH Well having best hugs would mean either me going to where you are or you going to where I am so we'll settle for second-best hugs =p

user92578

I'll declare a separate array for each parameter I want to associate with a single enum value

MickLH

2:25 PM

Are you near sweden? @KevinvanderVelden ?

user92578

And then declare the correct looking macro for each

MickLH

or london?

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH pretty much in the center of the netherlands =p

MickLH

You're talking to an american.

user92578

kinda close to both, not that close to either

Lasse

2:26 PM

@MickLH it's in between of london and sweden

MickLH

You might as well have just said right on the 4th blue mark in the cheese of the moon.

Kevin van der Velden

London is relatively close by

google.com/maps/place/Utrecht/@52.7166555,3.7331709,6.46z/…

MickLH

My options for leaving the country are: Try to get with this girl in Sweden. Try to get with this girl in London (who's only there for a little while before going back somewhere else in the UK I forgot), See if my friend in london will let me stay, Or idk maybe there's something else but it's not coming to me.

user92578

man you have a lot of girls around the world

Lasse

I'm just glad I have all the girls I like near me

user92578

2:29 PM

:D

user92578

pastebin.com/Nftahghn

user92578

Sorry for the chat spam

user92578

actually ill pastebin it

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 There was a man from the city I was born in, who so eloquently formalized the notion into language.

> I'm a pimp slash rapper, I thought you knew that.

user92578

haha

MickLH

2:31 PM

Mac Dre-Not My Job

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user92578

So is that horribly stupid the thing I'm doing?

Lasse

probably

Jon

Chip Da Ripper freestyle (Interior Crocodile Alligator full song)

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Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 you're talking about something relevant to gamedev, that's not spam =p

user92578

there was a huge chunk of code there

MickLH

2:32 PM

@Jon Listening to this? Not my job.

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 seems fine to me

user92578

Aight, then I'm good to go!

user92578

Oh actually, now that I'm doing this...

user92578

I don't need a map for the layer data

MickLH

I mean "Chip da ripper" is hilarious and fun to laugh at.... but I literally wish Mac Dre was still alive making music.

Lasse

2:35 PM

Xploding Plastix - Kissed By A Kisser

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that tune is annoying as hell

god damn

I get the bad kind of chills from it

MickLH

That's what a lot of musicians are going for lol.

Lasse

why would I want to listen to something that gives me the bad kind of chills?

user92578

Hey Lasse what was that rap song with the horrible girl singer that was big like a couple of years ago?

Lasse

uhh friday?

MickLH

@Lasse Well the first step towards being a good musician is letting go of any desire to please the audience, and just doing whatever the F you feel like all the time.

user92578

2:37 PM

no, a finnish rap song

Lasse

oh I got no idea about finnish rap

user92578

me neither

user92578

but it was all over the internets

Lasse

then I'm glad I missed it

if it was that bad

Kevin van der Velden

@Lasse that was a couple of years ago? I thought that was last friday on the bridge (and every bloody friday before it, bloody hell bridge get a grip)

Lasse

2:39 PM

lol

Kevin van der Velden

This, of course, being the bridge I'm talking about

Lasse

great, another chat to keep open

MickLH

I sorta just realized, nobody will listen to what I posted close enough to link it to the reference I made

user92578

Pale Tone feat. Ramona - Dreams (Reupload)

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MickLH

@Lasse You can open it and then just close it and SE will keep you in the room

user92578

2:41 PM

listen to atleast the first chorus

Lasse

there are a very few rap artists I like to listen to

none of them are finnish

user92578

linkin park is the most rap i listen to

MickLH

This message: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/24519810#24519810
This point in the song: https://youtu.be/rZgWrovjAAI?t=1m30s
->LinkJoke();

Lasse

rap has too much lyrics, I like melody

user92578

@MickLH Yeah I looked the lyrics and realized that

Lasse

2:45 PM

this is the closest to rap I like: youtube.com/watch?v=r8YRg_LK_PU

ey mick what kind of rap goes for you?

Kevin van der Velden

Does rage against the machine count? =p

MickLH

@Lasse I mostly like electronic grime remixes of prison industrial advertisement flavored stuff

Or anything where the hats are already too fast.... and then the snare hits and they literally stutter for a moment into the audible region of extreme repeat frequency

Which might make you think "All trap beats", but no actually some are inverse, some have the hats go steady when the snare hits.

They are not illuminated.

Lasse

okay

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH I'm fairly sure it just made me think "I understood some of those words!"

MickLH

I should post sound examples, because it would take 2 seconds of listening to hear unambiguously

But oh god, tabbing allllll the way over to that youtube tab I already have open :/

Lasse

2:52 PM

just hit ctrl+t and type "you" and hit enter

MickLH

Alt+3

Kevin van der Velden

Ctrl+3 surely

Unless you're one of those filthy mac users

shudders

MickLH

I'm a Linux user, on mac that spot is called "Command"

and while Ctrl does work, this finger position is cross platform

user92578

asserts ftw

Lasse

asserts ftw!

MickLH

2:54 PM

ASSERT(!"ftw");

oh shit, I think I did it rong

Kevin van der Velden

Crap

You broke it

Lasse

negative string?

Kevin van der Velden

Now we have to restart chat

@Lasse !(char*) => false

Lasse

would it be upside down and from right to left

oh

MickLH

Well lasse.

You just made some gears turn for me, about the operators in my language... again lol

Lasse

2:55 PM

lol

user92578

Aight, now working

user92578

Thanks a lot once more, C++ preprocessor guys!

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 I appreciate you acknowledging that I could have given you that info from start to finish, but @KevinvanderVelden did all the work.

I'm gonna start upgrading my kernel right now... If I disappear for 30 minute at my next reboot you'll know what happened.

Actually, no, it will still be totally ambiguous, I might have just went to have food lol

user92578

lol

MickLH

I have a really, really paranoid habit of any time a window pops up asking for my root password, I make sure I can drag it outside my browser's render area lol

Kevin van der Velden

2:59 PM

It's a good habit from a security standpoint

Of course, you're using linux. You're most likely already safe from such attacks due to no one bothering

MickLH

I don't know who hacked stack exchange chat, or how they figured out exactly when I hit enter on my package manager... but god damnit I'm not taking that risk!

Lasse

oh you noticed

damn it I did something wrong

MickLH

No you did perfect, I dragged it outside the render area and thought I was safe.

Kevin van der Velden

Damnit @Lasse, I was trying to convince him he was safe so you could try again in a bit

Lasse

@KevinvanderVelden doesn't matter, he entered the password

MickLH

3:01 PM

Root password already typed, nice job on immediately hacking in and running my package manager with the command I wanted to do

Blue

Afternoon tips hat

MickLH

'noon

user92578

hmm now i guess i have to get back on the trigger stuff... but its so much work!

user92578

drops hat

MickLH

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

user92578

3:04 PM

interesting virus lasse

user92578

making micks keyboard type oooooooooooooooooooooo to the chat

MickLH

No it hypnotized me to do that, it's way more advanced than a silly input event injector

Lasse

there's a bug, I call it the Ultima Online Ghost virus, which should use capital o's along with smaller ones

MickLH

It also hypnotized me to think I decided to do it on my own, and hypnotized me to think what I am saying right now is utterly insane.

Lasse

MickLH

3:06 PM

@Lasse That bug is part of my brain, I intermittently reject necessary tasks like pressing and releasing shift randomly

Lasse

oh, I see

MickLH

I'm pretty much the best target ever right? When was the last time your victim helped you debug your virus?

Lasse

you have done it bef.. oh wait, uh.. yeah.

Almo

I love the OooOOoOooo thing. I didn't even play the game, but I know what it is, and that's really funny

user92578

41000+ insertions

user92578

3:10 PM

Commiting level files is fun

MickLH

I need to produceeeeee cooooddddeeeeee

user92578

oh but now i also kinda want to make the small animation editor

Kevin van der Velden

Don't do it @Tyyppi_77

user92578

yeah i know

user92578

i just really really dont want to do the trigger stuff

user92578

3:22 PM

this is what it would've looked like:

user92578

MickLH

I need to make a generic editor framework in that style anyways, would you flip out if it's HTML based and runs on the server side? I need it to work on my friend's chromebook.

Oh god, I just started designing that in my head. That's a tomorrow's tomorrow project, nevermind lol.

user92578

lol

user92578

I would've just built something with WinForms that does only and exactly what I need it to do

user92578

But it's not really that usefull

user92578

3:25 PM

the XML files are so simple

MickLH

I think every possible activity except what I'm currently doing, no matter how small, becoming a "tomorrow project" is a side effect of the shit I've talked about too much in the past few days.

I shouldn't be ashamed to talk about it, everyone knew I was crazy anyways. It's kindof a big deal to me trying to adapt to life on these medications.

user92578

I'm sure that's a hard thing

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH you should definitely not be ashamed to talk about it! There's a lot of stigma around mental illnesses unfortunately =[

Lasse

that's just normal, every second person has some mental issues but they are all ashamed to go to doctor for it, and those who are brave enough to go are still ashamed about it

user92578

look here come the adults that know how to talk to people

MickLH

3:31 PM

@Lasse I hate to be such a "white girl" but I'm really, really crazy. lol. I got to the point where I couldn't really access normal reality anymore without intense physical pain, which is the only reason I'm taking these medication which make me noticeably stupider.

Movie Plot: Follow the main character just long enough to get bored with his mundane life..... Then he meets someone who offers him a drug, he tries it and has a nice but intense trip... The next day he find out that "trip" was real life, everything has always been an illusion, and the drug is the only way back to reality, and even though it feels fine in the "mundane" world, time is running out in reality.

user92578

im off to watching west wing

user92578

thanks for the help today

user92578

and strenght/luck/power/something to you mick

Lasse

@MickLH you're not the only one

MickLH

Lol I just presented the notion as a movie plot, because otherwise people try to integrate stories about "reality" into their notion of "reality" and end up severely misunderstanding me

One of these bottles of pills looks like some lab-grade plastic, has really heavy duty dessicant capsules inside, and is labeled that it must be stored in temperature control between 20 - 25c

This pill gives me random nosebleeds lol

Also it's labeled that it "MUST" be taken on an empty stomach, with a full glass of water

All in all, it feels like they are kindof pushing the chemistry a little close to the edge for comfort

Hjorthenify

3:41 PM

@MickLH What happens when you don't take the pills?

MickLH

That one? I die.

Or the other one? I curl up into fetal position in pain, trying to control my breathing until I pass out.

Or the other other one? Nothing too bad, I just get really depressed lol.

Lasse

I guess random nosebleeds are acceptable over dying

MickLH

Very much preferred, it's not a quick simple death either.

It's like several different body functions fail in lethal ways, and it's a race which one kills me first but they are all slow scale effects that would take weeks maybe months

Almo

:(

MickLH

@Lasse Even not considering dying, random nosebleeds are worth my body being able to control its temperature.

Although, that defect did lead to an awesome situation once, where I was sharing my world views and someone disagreed vehemently. And I had to go walk into the sun to warm up just as they were calling me some kind of "reptillian" something or another.

Made me think back to putting the heat lamps on the lizards lol

Lasse

3:51 PM

oh you're the one behind NWO

MickLH

lol shhhhh

I have a policy of not commenting on unreleased code.

Not that it's related to anything we just talked about

Lasse

right

Hjorthenify

@MickLH Aw :( But why do they make you stupid?

@MickLH Me too!

MickLH

Benzodiazepine

Benzodiazepines (BZD), sometimes called "benzos", are a class of psychoactive drugs whose core chemical structure is the fusion of a benzene ring and a diazepine ring. The first such drug, chlordiazepoxide (Librium), was discovered accidentally by Leo Sternbach in 1955, and made available in 1960 by Hoffmann–La Roche - which, since 1963, has also marketed the benzodiazepine diazepam (Valium). In 1977 benzodiazepines were globally the most prescribed medications. Benzodiazepines enhance the effect of the neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) at the GABAA receptor, resulting in sedative...

Hjorthenify

Oh damn..

MickLH

3:56 PM

> This meta-analysis found that long-term use of benzodiazepines was associated with moderate to large adverse effects on all areas of cognition, with visuospatial memory being the most commonly detected impairment. Some of the other impairments reported were decreased IQ, visiomotor coordination, information processing, verbal learning and concentration.

Almo

I know someone who took valium for a week during a mega stress period... they said it was the best shit ever

Hjorthenify

Yeah I saw that

Almo

my grandpa was a valium addict... had access because he was a drug salesman

MickLH

dude it is the best shit ever, it gets you so drunk lol

Almo

:D

Hjorthenify

3:57 PM

Haha

MickLH

but no I really notice how much stupider I am

Almo

:(

Lasse

how do you notice it? do you just "know it" or are you paying more attention because you know what pills you are eating, or is it really affecting you so much?

MickLH

I notice it because I have literally not got a single productive thing done since I started them

Lasse

it doesn't mean you are more stupid

MickLH

4:00 PM

Well it's mostly being more lazy, too lazy to even think.

I should be training my mind and getting past that, but I just feel too lazy for that too

Lasse

that's not being stupid, that's just being lazy

MickLH

But also there is "slowdown" in though, separate from being lazy. I can tell because I'm working much harder to argue my roommate down

Where before, it was always effortless to demolish his logic

I'm still bottle-necked by the other person in communication, in the sense that I have about 2 cycles of possible replies already processing in the background while I take in what they say... but it's a severe downgrade from before when the number of cycles ahead I'd be was dependent on the length of the conversation.

I'd eventually reach a point, about 5 cycles past, where I could pause them, and connect their logic now to their logic in 5 replies, and skip them straight there with me.

So the overall effect is that it feels like I'm communicating 3-5x slower

I always saw it as similar to using delta-squared acceleration on a conversation lol

It simply requires too much processing power now

2

4:15 PM

that's some soldering skills right there

MickLH

He should have used flux

Lasse

maybe he used fluxed solder

or tin or whatever that stuff is

MickLH

He almost surely did, but a nice brushing of flux could make sure the whole CPU is destroyed by the heat and solder

Not just a side of it

Lasse

it requires some eggs too

MickLH

Might as well break it in half, and send samples to other YouTube researcher channels such as "Is it safe to microwave this?" and "Will it blend?"

Except that it's probably full of lead now and has more strict shipping restrictions

God I love that video though... "Just heat up those pins...... and as much fuckin' solder as you possibly can"

I have a giant spool of worthless solder because it got exposed to the elements for too long

I could probably build a jig to completely fill the pins to surface tension

Jon

4:27 PM

VR PAINTING - TILTBRUSH

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