@ErikE lastly, reality is the only state of mind.

@FreshPrinceOfSO May not? What contradicting agent? What principle?

@Zane 3 or 4? 1 or 2 are fine?

@FreshPrinceOfSO Reality is a state of mind?

We are not getting very far, very fast, for someone complaining about the illogicality of certain actions.

@ErikE plug in anything that fits the statement

@ErikE especially when they're attacking the argument by attacking the person

@ErikE does your mind exist in a different state of matter?

@FreshPrinceOfSO Is the brain equivalent to the mind?

@ErikE Nope.

@FreshPrinceOfSO I don't think @swasheck was attacking your character.

@FreshPrinceOfSO Then does it properly exist in matter?

@ErikE Yep. You don't have a mind without the brain

@ErikE Descartes discusses this in his meditations. Have you read them?

The only attack I made was to hint that I thought the arguments you were making were poor. I'll try to be more direct and definitely wish to avoid ad hominem arguments.

@FreshPrinceOfSO That a mind may not exist without a brain does not require that the mind consists of the brain per se.

@Zane Never said he was, one of his statements were fallacious

@ErikE can you expand on your "per se"

@FreshPrinceOfSO If the mind is not equivalent to the brain, then it follows that the brain by itself cannot fully explain the mind, because for the mind to be different it must have some aspect or characteristic apart from those the brain possess.

@ErikE That doesn't make any sense.

You are your brain.

@ErikE How do you know you're not dreaming right now?

@FreshPrinceOfSO Let's say we are considering a slide projector. True, the image projected on the screen is not the projector itself, but we can explain that the image consists entirely of light produced from within the projector's illuminating element, minus the interfering slide's light absorption. So the projector fully explains the image.

Is the mind merely a manifestation or emanation of the brain in a similar way?

@Erike Seriously, can it. This is not the place for preaching.

@ErikE no, you have to wean off the substantial forms.

@MarkStorey-Smith is it the place for playing Devils Advocate because that's pretty much all I've been doing.

I have to pee

@MarkStorey-Smith Whoa... put on the brakes. Where am I preaching?

So, about that local football team, then?

@ErikE From the point you responded to FPSOs comment regarding delusion

@MarkStorey-Smith Can you use some emoticons.. I can't tell whether you're being serious or not.

@MarkStorey-Smith I find that a very strange position to take. I've said nothing about my personal beliefs about prayer, just that it could help some people (without actually being effectual in the sense of being answered) by it comforting them through said delusion. How can that possibly be construed as preaching? Do you disagree with it, and thus I am trying to convert you?

@SimonRigharts yeah they suck

@MarkStorey-Smith I do wish to respect the community's standards for content welcome here. I was keeping it very logical. I'm very disappointed that you'd call it preaching. But to avoid risking anyone being offended, I'll stop discussing this now.

@ErikE We should continue this discussion through other channels

@FreshPrinceOfSO It doesn't matter. It's not important. I just didn't like to see sloppy logic go unchallenged. :) Sorry to have bothered you.

@ErikE Ad hominem against my logic?

@FreshPrinceOfSO Where did I insult you?

@ErikE Disappointing to see that you have no interest in continuing the discussion; seems it was just for an audience then

@FreshPrinceOfSO You can read my mind then about why I am stopping? Amazing.

@SimonRigharts LOL!

@PaulWhite Yeah that pretty much describes the Phoenix, doesn't it?

Be interesting to see what Merrick does, suspect he'll be shipping out a few players and hopefully bringing in a few better ones

@jcolebrand I'm not upset with @FreshPrinceOfSO. Everything is cool by me.

I've been trying to find the definite phrase...was it "How Bout Them Cowboys?"

I'm not good with memes

@SimonRigharts Not a soccer fan, sorry - so I have no clue how to continue that.

And...

:-D

@PaulWhite I'm glad you understood that was a joke. :)