The Factory Floor

and most of what's written about the law deals with modern systems, and being an English speaker, the texts in English predominately deal with the law in English-speaking countries, which mostly inherit the British notion of common law

(I'm a USian -- but we are closer to the Brits and their spinoffs legally speaking than we are to say the French)

DonyorM

yeah I understand. American here too

I kinda glossed over it in my world, with a superficial level british-based style law. But in an RPG that would be harder

Shalvenay

@DonyorM especially when you start having legal issues play into the plot

DonyorM

yeah, you kinda need more detail then

Shalvenay

1:50 AM

lots more detail

JDługosz

4:37 AM

Is there a bot framework or configurable app for such, for SE chats?

Pedro Et Cetera

10:31 AM

@Green n*e! yeah, I've read some articles on ocean currents and its some complicated stuff

Worldbuilding Meta

11:26 AM

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Q: Are answers posted in comments acceptable or not?

It happens every now and then that someone posts what is actually an answer as a comment to the question. That is, something that actually addresses the question being asked, perhaps succintly, but in a way that would be an answer that could be voted up or down but not legitimately flagged as "no...

Green

1:42 PM

@PedroEtCetera My problem isn't so much the physics of the ocean currents, it's massaging the data before processing and visualizing the results afterwards.

The sim package I'm working with handles the physics just fine. Configuring it properly requires lots of reading.

James

2:16 PM

Morning wubbers.

DaaaahWhoosh

wub wub wub wub hello

James

@DaaaahWhoosh That sounded like a helicopter in slow motion in my head.

DaaaahWhoosh

you must have a large head

James

Not that I see how it is relevant to this conversation but as a matter of fact I do have a large head....finding fitted hats is a pain in the ass.

DaaaahWhoosh

I can feel your pain. Though recently I ordered a hat at the largest available size, and it did actually turn out to be too big. That's the first time that's ever happened to me

sphennings

2:21 PM

This is why I don't wear hats.

DaaaahWhoosh

it annoys me because I want to make a tricorn, but the suggested way to do that is to use one of those women's sun hats.

James

@DaaaahWhoosh lol

All I can picture right now is a goose-pirate. A bird wandering around with a tricorn and an eye patch.

...he says Quaaaarrrrk alot.

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DaaaahWhoosh

you're welcome

James

Its sort of a fantastic image actually.

HDE 226868

@James Morning.

Green

2:46 PM

Morning all.

Bellerophon

@Green Good afternoon.

Green

@Bellerophon Good afternoon!

James

2:58 PM

whats shakin today?

DaaaahWhoosh

atoms!

Green

@James Fighting with security on a system I should have access to.

It's fixed now.

James

3:22 PM

Well that was efficient.

Enigma Maitreya

3:33 PM

Hum, @james, what is the best way to select an individual person, to have a short conversation with, that is off the mainstream channels. I am aware of how to start a private channel but the way I know does not get me the ability to invite a specific person.

Nex Terren

@Green Just give in. Security is always right. And this is a 100% unbiased opinion.

DaaaahWhoosh

@NexTerren only a Sith deals in absolutes

Nex Terren

@DaaaahWhoosh Is a Sith like a Black Hat?

DaaaahWhoosh

pretty much

on a related note, I'm the only person in this chatroom who has said 'only a Sith deals in absolutes'

which seems fitting

Green

@NexTerren Not Security, the group of humans, but Security, the cached software credentials that were out of date and just needed to be updated.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

@DaaaahWhoosh, sorry. It was too easy to do.

Nex Terren

3:40 PM

Only an absolute deals in Sith.

Enigma Maitreya

So I need to wait for the person to make a chat message before I can invite them to a private channel to clear the air?

Nex Terren

@EnigmaMaitreya There's a timeout so people who don't visit the chat aren't spammed. Basically "opt in, timed automatic opt out."

@EnigmaMaitreya If it helps I can pretend to be mad at you so we can clear the artificial air!

Green

@EnigmaMaitreya you can opt to open a room just between you and the aggrieved.

Nex Terren

@Green Right, but there's no way to tag the user and bring them in, right?

If they don't use chat in the first place.

Green

@NexTerren that I don't know about.

Bellerophon

3:47 PM

You could get in a comments argument with them until someone migrates the comments to a chat room.

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Nex Terren

I recall us having to have mods ping users for us for podcast discussion when they hadn't been in chat for a while.

@Bellerophon Best. Plan. Ever.

MolbOrg

could you vote to open the question https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/81819/robots-replacing-human-in-future
I stuck with long answer and was not smart enough to make place holder

just in case ping @Mormacil

ping @SZCZERZO KŁY

Enigma Maitreya

@NexTerren Huh? No lets try it this way on Meta there is a person that clearly I have never been able to make any post understandable to under any circumstance. With all due respect I just wanted to let that person know that for the betterment of the community I would start to just ignore them It has nothing to do with anyone here I don not think I have ever seen the post here

Bellerophon

@MolbOrg It's a dupe. It should stay closed.

Nex Terren

@EnigmaMaitreya No, no, no. Come on. I can pick a really interesting fight with you, I swear! Lemme see...

Enigma Maitreya

3:53 PM

@NexTerren Go ahead and try

Nex Terren

@EnigmaMaitreya The initials of your username remind me of a certain candy which looks like skittles which is so deceptive. Man, you're just the worst. Skittle-mocker. :(

Enigma Maitreya

@NexTerren that may be true as I do not know what your saying about me

Nex Terren

@EnigmaMaitreya It's just a joke. :P

MolbOrg

@Bellerophon it is dupe of the question which is closed and in which the answer can't be added, so the dupe thing is pointless in the case, in therms of preventing multiple answers to the same question, because no answers can be addd at all.

Nex Terren

And if the user doesn't visit the chatroom/hasn't for a week or so you won't be able to ping him.

Enigma Maitreya

3:54 PM

@NexTerren Oh well then Shrug my horizons have been expanded

@NexTerren The plain and simple is nothing personal,I do not know how to communicate with those that can not frame the conversation in any context but the one they want to talk about meaning they talk others just listen and nod.

Nex Terren

@AndyD273 There the scoundrel is! Go get him, Enigma!

AndyD273

@NexTerren Wha'd I miss?

Bellerophon

@MolbOrg But it has the same problems as the other question. If it were reopened it should be closed as too broad. It doesn't seem worth the effort.

Enigma Maitreya

It may be that person is here but of all the icons I donot recognize him

Bellerophon

What's there name? There is a search function.

curt1893

3:57 PM

I prefer a public argument. more entertaining

Enigma Maitreya

Molot

MolbOrg

also the dupe asks about strong AI, which is pointless, but removing human from productions is another hings and valuable answer can be given

Nex Terren

@AndyD273 I dunno. I'm trying to start a fight.

Bellerophon

@curt1893 Public arguments are rubbish.

Nex Terren

@EnigmaMaitreya Ah. I don't think he and I see eye-to-eye either, but I don't think he means ill.

@Bellerophon I disagree! And your mother is a toad!

AndyD273

3:58 PM

@NexTerren Ah, any topic in particular?

Enigma Maitreya

@NexTerren I do not think he means ill either but it is clear I can not communicate meaningfully with him and just want him to know it is not personal that I ignore him. But clearly I can not.

Bellerophon

:'(

AndyD273

Oh, can someone look this answer over and see if I have any inconsistencies after a rule is discussed?

0

A: Would a civilization simplify their languages (eg:English) in order to let their citizens learn more easily?

I don't know about removing words persay, but as someone who is trying to teach his kids to read, I'd start by simplifying the alphabet and spelling rules. For instance, get rid of the letter C, and just use the letter K or the letter S. I don't know how often I've had to klarify a word. "No, ce...

I'd hate to get called out on something simple that I missed... :)

Bellerophon

@EnigmaMaitreya chat.stackexchange.com/users/77967/molot Click invite this user to a room.

MolbOrg

@Bellerophon yes it is not a dupe - that Q asks about "How would the job market change, if strong AI were developed, and they could do ALL jobs currently available " - and that is supid question, it's sad people do not see the difference and voted that way

supid as I ,write long answer and not making a placeholder to the q which have 4 close votes, I should punish me for that )))

James

4:03 PM

@EnigmaMaitreya just go to the bottom of the page here: chat.stackexchange.com/… then create the room. There should be an invite button in the room, or you can post the link here and @ping the user you are wanting to talk to.

Enigma Maitreya

@Bellerophon I am there and can not see a way to start it, let me study it some more.

Bellerophon

@AndyD273 You wrot 'consistent' not konsistent in the 4th paragraph.

Enigma Maitreya

Ok, not totaly intuitive but I figured it out. Thanks @Bellerophon and @James

James

@EnigmaMaitreya Chat can be a bit labyrinthine

Bellerophon

Also, should 'foreign' be foriejn?

AndyD273

4:07 PM

@Bellerophon Ah, thanks. I found a couple more errant C's too...

konsistensy is hard when you're trying to break rules on purpose

Enigma Maitreya

@James etiquette wise, I am planning on expressing my thoughts and put a 24 Hour Timer on the Room. In your experience, can you suggest something better?

Bellerophon

24 hour timer? You kan do that?

Enigma Maitreya

@Bellerophon I dont know I am just saying some long time

It gives tiomeout in seconds and I see nothing to indicate it can not be 24 hours worth of seconds

AndyD273

@EnigmaMaitreya I like that I knew how many seconds that is without having to calculate it...

Enigma Maitreya

4:24 PM

@AndyD273 :) isnt that true for both minutes and seconds? It is often time a standard value with computers :)

Hum, did the chat reboot or something?

AndyD273

@EnigmaMaitreya I don't think so? People are just quiet.

It may be lunch time. I am hungry.

Enigma Maitreya

@AndyD273 Nah I got 404's on all my chat tabs for about 2 minutes

Might have been a router failure from them to me

The Q/A's were active

AndyD273

Though I've been hungry a lot since I stopped eating sugar. I joked with my wife that maybe I should try something milder to help take the edge off. Like heroin...

Not heroine, as that would be harder to explain away to the wife than heroin...

probably

sphennings

4:49 PM

@AndyD273 Normally I suggest doing science to find the answer. In this case I'm making an exception.

AndyD273

@sphennings "Listen honey, I understand you're upset, but I need you to answer this one question for the sake of science; Which was worse, me doing the heroin, or me doing the heroine?"

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sphennings

It's not what it looks like. We're doing science.

MolbOrg

@sphennings the science of the case is simple observation and observing facts are too obvious. So never give up on science.

sphennings

To quote Adam Savage: "Remember kids the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down."

Enigma Maitreya

In some regards then Science is like Sculpture, Painting were the value is viewer specific.

Nex Terren

5:08 PM

And I return.

AndyD273

5:43 PM

@NexTerren this always reminds me of 71-hour Achmed

I go! I return!

Nex Terren

@AndyD273 Que?

AndyD273

@NexTerren He's a character in one of the Discworld books (Jingo).

An explanation of his name: in D'Reg culture, anyone you offer hospitality to is completely safe for three days i.e. 72 hours. Ahmed, a D'Reg, didn't want to wait the extra hour to dispense with a man he arrested for poisoning a well.

James

@EnigmaMaitreya Without knowing the topic, not really.

@NexTerren Related: I am eating chips and queso.

AndyD273

5:59 PM

@James Why so?

James

Because melty cheese is delicious and proof that god loves us.

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AndyD273

@James shoot, that should have been what so, not why so... (que so)

There's a reason I only took one semester of Spanish...

James

my knowledge of spanish is basically limited to ordering food where the staff don't really speak english

Would it be inappropriate to copy the first paragraph of a Wikipedia article into a tag description?

AndyD273

6:14 PM

@James Probably not. Maybe just give attribution?

James

That's sort of what I was thinking...maybe this is a meta-worthy question...

AndyD273

I am not an authority on this. I just know that I copy text from wikipedia pretty often for answers, giving attribution, and no one has ever called me out on it.

in fact it's kinda SE policy: copy relevant data into the answer so that if the linked page is removed down the road the answer will still make sense.

James

Quite true.

I just posted a meta question to cover my bases.

Secespitus

@James As long as there is more in the tag description it should be okay. Just copying the first paragraph sounds very lazy otherwise...

James

@Secespitus Hey my left hand can only ctrl+c then ctrl+v so many times man.

Secespitus

6:30 PM

Tag wikis should include when to use the tag as far as I know. I think wikipedia doesn't include that information in the first paragraph

Help center on tag wiki excerpts: "Avoid generically defining the concept behind a tag" and "Concentrate on what a tag means to your community"

Nex Terren

@James You're actually not wrong.

Worldbuilding Meta

3

Q: Copying other sources in tag wiki's

So I was sifting through some tag descriptions and realized it would be far easier to fill in some that are blank just by copying a bit of the Wikipedia article on the topic into the tag. Is this fine or frowned upon? We could certainly attribute and link to the page from which the content was ...

discussion

DaaaahWhoosh

@NexTerren I'm thinking about asking a follow-up question to your light armor question, this time about light weapons. Do you mind?

Nex Terren

@DaaaahWhoosh Not in the least! I'd be interested in what people have to say.

I still need to accept an answer for that.

Mithrandir24601

@DaaaahWhoosh light weapons? This is going to be an interesting one...

Nex Terren

6:44 PM

Do you ever feel bad not accepting the highest voted answer? I feel guilty, like I'm being stubborn or something.

DaaaahWhoosh

@NexTerren if, in that case, the answer I want to accept was written by DaaaahWhoosh, I would have no qualms about accepting it

to all the mods entering the room, I want to make it clear I was not trying to influence others to gain more rep

Nex Terren

@DaaaahWhoosh :P It's yours or Myrdden Wyllt. I feel like both of you thought outside of the box--yet practical--which is something Aify didn't do, which makes your answers better.

Better = possibly more accurate as to how it'd play out if my question was actual history.

But that makes me feel like I'm being insulting to Aify or stubborn towards the community's views.

DaaaahWhoosh

acceptance isn't about the community, it's about what answer helped you the most

it's your chance to be selfish

actually, I might be trying to influence others to gain more rep

Nex Terren

@DaaaahWhoosh Well you got a star, at least.

James

You realize we all like chat because it functions like the reward system we all experienced in kindergarten right?

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DaaaahWhoosh

6:50 PM

@James go sit in the corner

2

whoa, I just got a weird sense of deja vu

James

@DaaaahWhoosh Only if I get a cool hat that makes me feel like a unicorn.

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HDE 226868

@AndyD273 Heh, klever. I kan't find a klear inkonsistency.

Nex Terren

@James Scotch tape and a single ear of corn.

James

@NexTerren So many jokes...jokes that I would never put in writing on the internet.

AndyD273

@James There is no way a joke would that corny

James

7:05 PM

@AndyD273 Wow.

lol

AndyD273

@James Yeah, unfortunately I a few words there... I feel about that.

@HDE226868 inkonsistensy. Thanks :) I had to go back and fix it a few times...

Nex Terren

Am I off the mark here? https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/81872/super-metal-and-the-construction-of-knight-weapons

If I'm leading down the path of bad advice I won't reply, as I don't want to add clutter.

dot_Sp0T

@NexTerren ?

Secespitus

@NexTerren He's just advertising his lessons so that new users see from high-reps how to write questions.

James

@NexTerren You talking about your comment?

Nex Terren

7:15 PM

Yeah, my comment. Was wondering if I was off the mark.

sphennings

@NexTerren I think the question could be slightly edited for clarity. But in it's current form it's more than acceptably readable.

AndyD273

I can see it going either way. It's not a wall of text, so expecting someone to read the whole thing isn't asking that much. But the question could be asked in the title or worked into the first sentence and maybe be better because of it...

Nex Terren

Hm. Okay then, I won't say anything else, then, since it seems I was somewhat off in my comment.

AndyD273

I don't actually think your comment is wrong. It's not an unclear question

Enigma Maitreya

@NexTerren Your question is valid, the real world version is "Damascus steel" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel vs All other contemporary steel.

Nex Terren

7:23 PM

@EnigmaMaitreya It's actually DW's question, I just made a comment.

sphennings

@EnigmaMaitreya That steel has roughly the same density of other steels.

Mithrandir24601

@DaaaahWhoosh It wouldn't really be an effect on the battlefield (Probably?), but I'd imagine that it would push forward the invention of the rapier by a fair bit

Enigma Maitreya

@sphennings The belief is that weapons made of Damascus Steel was superior to all others and was reportedly able to cut through other weapons without damaging itself. I simply offered up a real world case that may provide guidance to an answer to the question.

sphennings

@EnigmaMaitreya Even today there is no steel superior to all others. There are many use cases with vastly different needs and many specialized alloys that cater to them.

DaaaahWhoosh

@Mithrandir24601 see, that's what I'm wondering though. Would it make rapiers, or would it make longswords that feel like rapiers?

Enigma Maitreya

7:28 PM

We are no longer able to exactly produce Damascus Steel. I accept that others may reword my statement to say yes they can but their version is always with exceptions. I have no vested interest in this question. I am making an objective observation.

@sphennings Damascus Steel can NOT be made the art was lost. Just like the Flexible Glass of Roman Times was lost.

Nex Terren

@DaaaahWhoosh Right, because theoretically the strength of the material wouldn't change, just the same sword would be lighter in the hand.

DaaaahWhoosh

@NexTerren so, one-handed zweihander fencing?

Nex Terren

@EnigmaMaitreya I remember reading that it's accepted that the properties of Damascus steel were exaggerated?

DaaaahWhoosh

DUEL WIELDING ZWEIHANDER FENCING?!

Nex Terren

@DaaaahWhoosh Stop right there with those ideas, boy. You're going to summon the anime.

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Enigma Maitreya

7:30 PM

@NexTerren As far as I am concerned Damascus Steel never even existed as in I have no clue what the reality is to Damascus Steel.

Nex Terren

And I've never even heard of this flexible glass. Was that a real thing?! If so that's kind of cool.

DaaaahWhoosh

isn't glass already some sort of fluid? Just a really slow one?

sphennings

@NexTerren OBvzously they'd use Katanas which are the most superior weapon because their Japanese and can cut through anything evar!!!

Enigma Maitreya

Flexible Glass - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_glass and I have no more clue about this either there is just enough to suggest that maybe it was real

Bellerophon

@DaaaahWhoosh Urban myth.

Not actually true.

False

Incorect

Wrong.

Unproven.

Inaccurate.

Mithrandir24601

7:34 PM

Dual-wielding with swords revisited & ambidexterity

►

@DaaaahWhoosh NO!

:P

DaaaahWhoosh

that's like, the stupidest myth then. How did it even get started?

Bellerophon

@DaaaahWhoosh Old glass is thicker at the bottom than the top. People thought the glass had run down over time but it hadn't. It was just thicker at the bottom to support its own weight.

Also glass is blown when it is semi-liquid.

DaaaahWhoosh

@Bellerophon that's, like, even stupider than I'd imagined

Enigma Maitreya

@Bellerophon, @DaaaahWhoosh "Is Glass A Solid Or An Extremely Slow Moving Liquid?" - sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070809130014.htm - news.emory.edu/stories/2012/10/… - scientificamerican.com/article/fact-fiction-glass-liquid

DaaaahWhoosh

wait, so they are something other than solid

Enigma Maitreya

7:49 PM

@DaaaahWhoosh Yes

James

@Bellerophon You are a master synonymizer

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HDE 226868

DaaaahWhoosh is still beating James on the starboard, 4-3.

Bellerophon

@James You are too kind.

Nice.

Generous.

James

@HDE226868 My alternative facts say otherwise. That on the right is an optical illusion.

DaaaahWhoosh

quick, nobody star anything!

2

James

7:57 PM

@DaaaahWhoosh You should be ashamed of yourself.

HDE 226868

4-2.

DaaaahWhoosh

@James I'm in it to win it

Mithrandir24601

@DaaaahWhoosh Is rubber solid?

James

@DaaaahWhoosh But by the end you will be morally bankrupt.

DaaaahWhoosh

@James morals can't buy you happiness

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HDE 226868

7:58 PM

5-1.

James

@HDE226868 This is a conspiracy.

DaaaahWhoosh

it really does seem that way. I wonder...

yep, there it is

Nex Terren

To me it looks like DW is using an alt account to star everything he says.

James

Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the chat. No chat room owner in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams.

AndyD273

@James You know you could solve this problem... Just star pin your own comments. You can't let @DaaaahWhoosh win. You know you want to.

Nex Terren

8:04 PM

@AndyD273 That's so evil!

James

@AndyD273 Stop it devil half of my conscience.

AndyD273

And he's back

sphennings

I'm pretty sure you can't star your own comments.

James

@sphennings Oh the young and naive are so adorable.

Nex Terren

I think yet again I've been stood up in a meeting.

James

8:06 PM

@NexTerren You're too good for her man.

Nex Terren

@James She's a senior... Geochemist. Didn't know geochemistry was a thing.

Bellerophon

@James Why is he meeting some woman's man? I didn't even thing people had menservants anymore.

James

@NexTerren ...aaaaand its time to google.

AndyD273

@NexTerren Apparently she isn't making it up

James

Geochemistry

Geochemistry is the science that uses the tools and principles of chemistry to explain the mechanisms behind major geological systems such as the Earth's crust and its oceans. The realm of geochemistry extends beyond the Earth, encompassing the entire Solar System and has made important contributions to the understanding of a number of processes including mantle convection, the formation of planets and the origins of granite and basalt. == History == The term geochemistry was first used by the Swiss-German chemist Christian Friedrich Schönbein in 1838. In his paper, Schönbein predicted the birth...

Mithrandir24601

8:08 PM

@sphennings You see, you're missing something here: @James, Steward of WB, Crusher of Dreams, Lord of The Factory Floor, First of his name is, well, @James, Steward of WB, Crusher of Dreams, Lord of The Factory Floor and First of his name and has powers that even us stewards-in-training can only dream of

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James

@AndyD273 ...unless she wrote the wiki page! CONSPIRACY!

Nex Terren

@Mithrandir24601 So DW might have been winning the skirmishes, but I think Mith just won the war.

James

what @Mithrandir24601 is saying is that I can do this...

Nex Terren

@James PIN WIN?

Mithrandir24601

@NexTerren :D That was the fastest 5-starring that I've ever seen :D

sphennings

8:10 PM

@Mithrandir24601 I'm surprised he lets you dream of his powers.

James

@sphennings Letting the people aspire to greatness makes them work harder.

AndyD273

@James Yes, give in to the dark side. Become one with the star board.

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Nex Terren

@AndyD273 "Star Board." "Who?" "You know, Star Board? Legendary circle jerk?"

AndyD273

hehe

Mithrandir24601

@sphennings I am nearly a half-steward... I will become a steward at some point! :P

Nex Terren

8:13 PM

I just noticed how many people are in this room...

James

@NexTerren That's what she said.

I'd be curious to know how our chat room ranks among all the others regarding activity.

Mithrandir24601

@James I can tell you that we've currently got more (current) users than physics' hbar

Bellerophon

@James Mos Eisley had ~26 people once.

Mithrandir24601

@Bellerophon I did once see hbar go in to the third row as well

HDE 226868

Several rooms have over 30 routinely, but not all are active simultaneously.

James

8:22 PM

We are sitting at 9th overall population wise... chat.stackexchange.com/rooms?tab=all&sort=people

dot_Sp0T

What is happening here?

Nex Terren

@dot_Sp0T The Star Wars.

dot_Sp0T

@NexTerren no, just fought them

DaaaahWhoosh

@NexTerren that just about made my day

AndyD273

@DaaaahWhoosh How close did he get?

DaaaahWhoosh

8:26 PM

@AndyD273 let's just say he shot for the moon and missed

Nex Terren

@DaaaahWhoosh My corpse is floating in space. Frozen.

AndyD273

dot_Sp0T

@AndyD273 I'd rather see a version that goes: "Shoot For The Moon" - Because that's no moon.

Green

8:44 PM

@PedroEtCetera, here's some of the math (which I thankfully don't have to worry about)

mathworld.wolfram.com/Laplacian.html

AndyD273

@dot_Sp0T There you go

Nex Terren

@AndyD273 Technically it was aiming for the moon Luke was stationed on, not the planet.

And I feel like if they would have gone straight for the gas giant instead of sailing around they would have taken the moon with it.

AndyD273

@NexTerren I was thinking more Alderaan when I wrote it

Nex Terren

@AndyD273 Well fair.

AndyD273

@NexTerren I've seen it fail to blow up several moons, but it doesn't seem to have any problem with planets

Nex Terren

8:51 PM

@AndyD273 Huh. Maybe that's part of the design. Do you think they planet that way?

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HDE 226868

I hope the universe doesn't pull a Groundhog Day on me tonight, because I don't think I can survive another round of these puns.

2

Mithrandir24601

@HDE226868 But puns are so fun, although I'm no good at them. But I can Haiku!

DaaaahWhoosh

@HDE226868 yeah, I think I've had my Phil

Bellerophon

I can't Haiku. I only Sonnet.

dot_Sp0T

guet :)

AndyD273

8:56 PM

@HDE226868 Ah, see, you're not seeing the big picture. Next time around the loop you can be the one making all the puns.

HDE 226868

@AndyD273 I think I'd do limericks, if I had the choice.

AndyD273

@HDE226868 You have the choice. What you lack is the skill.

I don't actually know if that's true :)

HDE 226868

> I'm writing to you, UserY.
> Your voting fraud sure makes me cry.
> Your votes are not right,
> So your socks I shall smite.
> Our tools quickly saw through your lie.

5

That was in another room, in October.

Bellerophon

A limerick is carefully versed
The second line rhymes with the first
The third is short
The fourth the same sort
And the last line is usually worst.

6

Meta limerick.

HDE 226868

A well-written limerick's art.
You just need the right place to start.
Rhyming is stylish
Not just for the Irish
Though limericks set them apart.

2

DaaaahWhoosh

9:15 PM

Limericks are much too distracting.
They make it so hard to keep acting
Like I'm getting things done
(and it's really no fun
when your boss finds your work to be lacking).

3

Bellerophon

5 stars. New highest starred post. I knew it was worth learning how to write poems.

dot_Sp0T

Roses are red,
So were you when you bled,
Got smacked on your nose,
Blood gushing like a hose,
All because making limericks you kept

Bellerophon

Last line doesn't rhyme.

Nex Terren

Secespitus

"You have fully used your vote allowance for today" Interesting. Never had that before.

Bellerophon

9:20 PM

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Our love's in my head
And not felt by you.

dot_Sp0T

Roses are red,
Violets are red,
Everything is red,
Red

Nex Terren

@Bellerophon "I met my soulmate. She didn't."

dot_Sp0T

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Boohoohoo

Bellerophon

@NexTerren The guy who got me into poetry basically has that problem.

Plus the fact that he writes love poems which is definitely a problem.

Nex Terren

Roses are red,
but violets aren't blue.
This isn't a poem
I'm just correcting you

@Bellerophon Well this is sad.

dot_Sp0T

9:24 PM

I once met a man in a van,
He was small so we called him Stan,
Stan had a wife,
And children times twice,
'twas Stand the man with the minvan

Bellerophon

He's a teenager, he'll get over it.

Nex Terran's an awkward name
It is hard to rhyme, what a shame
This limerick won't work
And I'll feel a berk
If my rhyme scheme ends up rather lame

There once was a guy named dot_spoT
Who hung around Worldbuilding a lot
Even if he got flack
His answers on Stack
Were by far the best in the pot.

dot_Sp0T

Aww that is nice, thank you!

We should introduce a day every month where we only get to talk to each other in rimes

DaaaahWhoosh

there was one day a while back where I only talked in blank verse

dot_Sp0T

Back in the day,
I had money like hay,
This started as a poem but ended up in despair

Enigma Maitreya

9:39 PM

@dot_Sp0T And a High Rep person asked me why we would want to Role Play in the SFF Chat room .... as though I was breaking every rule in the SE book.

And there are times, situations that make me think I am in an Episode from Red vs Blue, speaking of which I probably need to see when the next episode comes out.

Bellerophon

@EnigmaMaitreya I didn't understand, if you rewrote it as a rhyming quatrain I think it might help.

Mithrandir24601

@dot_Sp0T I may have once spent, a day speaking in Haiku: that's a good idea

But I still can't rhyme. Maybe it improves with time? Better, is this line :)

Bellerophon

9:55 PM

I say the day of the full moon in June.

Shalvenay

10:14 PM

hey there @Bellerophon and @Mithrandir24601

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay Rytsas this ev'ning. How are you doing today? My day's been quite good :)

Shalvenay

@Mithrandir24601 a bit tired but otherwise OK -- got to do some dungeon playtesting last night. what's been up on your end?

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay Nice! It's been a long time since I've done any D&D... Currently revising for my last ever exam next Wednesday(!), working on a project to do with generating randomness by things called t-designs, an essay on quantum communications between ground and satellites (yes, this is actually for Uni), started catching up on Scholagladiatoria's videos again and back to writing my thing on medieval warfare for the Universe Factory...

Shalvenay

@Mithrandir24601 ah. speaking of bladed weapons: how small can you make a hidden knife or dagger before it's no longer usefully lethal? (I believe I've heard somewhere in the vicinity of a 3" blade is needed to be able to pierce far enough to reach most vital spots on the human torso, but I'm not sure if that's correct...)

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay Usefully lethal? I don't know - in general though, I'd argue that's it's useful regardless of the size - even a pin could be useful at the right moment, although 'usefully lethal' is a bit different

Shalvenay

10:30 PM

@Mithrandir24601 yeah -- something that's a) not going to break or bend if you hit the wrong thing by accident and b) can penetrate far enough into the torso to reach arteries, organs, ...

or is that not a useful definition of "usefully lethal"?

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay Well, 'lethal' for stabbing is going to be different to 'lethal' for cutting - a cut could be lethal by blood loss if it's at the right place, in which case, the size of the blade probably isn't that important. Stabbing though... How lethal would it be if you were stabbed in, say, an eye?

by what you've said, you seem to be looking at 'lethal by stabbing'?

Shalvenay

@Mithrandir24601 fairly nasty, but you may not have the target of your choice available, all the same...and yeah, I'm thinking stabbing over cutting here

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay I can't give a definitive answer, but I can try and work through stuff and see what happens

So, first thing: if the opponent's fat, you've got to get further to reach some of the organs

Shalvenay

yeah, that's definitely a variable

Mithrandir24601

On a related note, blades can get caught on things like clothing (never mind armour) if it's layered enough

Shalvenay

10:36 PM

@Mithrandir24601 yeah, having to get through potentially 3-4 layers of clothing is another factor

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay So, assume a middle-aged average weight person, with about 3 layers of clothing?

Shalvenay

@Mithrandir24601 yeah

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay To my (extremely limited) knowledge, the rib-cage is just over the lungs

Shalvenay

@Mithrandir24601 yeah, that's my knowledge as well -- besides, a chest wound is going to be seriously crippling even if it doesn't pierce all the way to the lungs (due to pressure issues in the chest cavity)

Mithrandir24601

So, for that, maybe anything over 2 inches would be long enough to be fatal there? The only issue would be a short blade catching on the ribs

(and potentially damaging itself)

Shalvenay

10:41 PM

@Mithrandir24601 yeah -- that'd be the issue -- you'd ahve to make it wide enough to not be too badly damaged if it does so, I take it?

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay But then, if it's too wide, you're increasing your chances of it just catching on a rib...

Shalvenay

@Mithrandir24601 that is a point as well

how wide are the gaps between the ribs in our test-victim?

Mithrandir24601

If it was long, it would just need to be reasonably flexible and it wouldn't break

Mine are maybe an inch apart?

Shalvenay

so yeah -- maybe half inch would be an upper limit on width to avoid too much risk of catching on ribs if such a strike is attempted?

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay From Buffon's needle, 2l/(t*pi) is what you want

Shalvenay

10:48 PM

@Mithrandir24601 good thinking

Mithrandir24601

l is the width of knife, t is distance between ribs - this is just an approximation, but it seems pretty reasonable

Shalvenay

yeah

what would be an acceptable risk of catching on a rib?

(and how would you deal with it if it did happen?)

Mithrandir24601

So... plugs in numbers for a probability of 0.5 gives an answer of a width of just under 0.8 inches (say 2cm)

(I need to get drying sorted - will be AFK for a few minutes)

Shalvenay

@Mithrandir24601 yeah -- P=0.5 seems somewhat high though.

P=0.1 seems fairly low, but requires a 0.15" wide blade, which seems...awfully needle-like

P=0.25 requires a blade just under 0.4" wide, which seems reasonable to me

Mithrandir24601

(and I'm back)

Needle-like does offer the advantage that it would be a bit more flexible

Shalvenay

10:58 PM

that is true, but AFAIK it also increases the breakage risk

Mithrandir24601

True

Or wait...

Depends on how flexible

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