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user174558
12:02 AM
I am back from breakfast. Noodle with egg again.
 
user174558
12:41 AM
Are you writing now Kit? It is quiet.
 
1:08 AM
Hi @Jasper. I had to put the boys to bed.
@Metamaterialgirl Feel like sprinting tonight?
 
Sure, I got one or two in me.
When you thinkin'?
 
I've got to catch up reading what I wrote yesterday.
So maybe about 30 minutes?
Maybe sooner.
 
Sure, ping at me.
 
1:41 AM
OK @Metamaterialgirl, let's do this thing.
 
Heyo! One sec, adulterating my tea to taste.
Mmm, hummingbird juice.
Okay, you ready?
 
Well, I got some rum while I was waiting.
 
Mmm, pirate juice.
 
I'm feeling saucy.
OK. 15 minutes?
 
Yarrrr.
Ready?
 
1:45 AM
yep
 
Steady, 6:45.
GO
 
2:00 AM
@KitZ.Fox Ding!
475.
 
336
I had to go look something up.
 
What did you look up?
 
The name of the crossbow weapon in HalfLife.
 
...so what was it called?
 
"crossbow"
 
2:03 AM
snorks giggles
 
I know, right?
I thought it had a cool name, but it was just that it worked in a cool way.
 
[amused]
 
Hm. KINETIC HAND CANNON
Or crossgun if you play Vindictus, which I used to do a lot.
The crossgun concept seemed to be 'looks like a crossbow but has big pneumatic/explosive barrel feed thingies behind the bolts'
dunno if that was like the Half Life crossbow.
 
Then there's the bowcaster.
 
The HalfLife crossbow shot red hot metal rods.
 
2:09 AM
Bowcaster? Say on, do.
Oooooh, cool!
 
It was excellent for sniping.
You could kill really tough enemies with one shot, if you were patient and careful.
 
The bowcaster's a crossbow that shoots bolts of energy. Signature Wookie weapon in the Star Wars universe.
 
Going all Phineas Gage on 'em. Nice.
OOoh right, that thing.
 
@BESW My boys love the bowcaster.
 
Can't go wrong with energy bolts. Unless you're a storm trooper.
 
2:16 AM
OK. I've got so much more to write in 45 minutes.
Another 15?
 
Sure! Ready?
 
yes
 
oh god, this one is gonna be slow, Stan is doing his cute 'pls pet me forever' thing
Okay, 7:17
Steady
GO
oops, 7:18
but yeah, still go
 
2:33 AM
@KitZ.Fox Ding!
1124 - 475. 649. Wow, that might be a record for me!
 
772 - 336
436
 
Eeexcellent.
 
@Metamaterialgirl That's more like what I expect from you.
 
Such high expectations! I'll have to work harder to meet them :D
now if I could do that kind of word count and have it be WORTHY wordcount, I'd be in.
Man, I hope all these italicized thought conversations aren't gonna be a massive pain in the ass to read.
 
2:49 AM
Nah, it'll wipe all the italics.
 
How do you mean?
 
I mean, it will just helpfully remove all your formatting, then you'll be all like wtf g-ding SCRIVENER!
 
oh hell
you're probably right, gaaaaaah
 
Sorry, I was just funning with you.
 
I suppose when I'm confirming my wordcount with NaNo I can paste stuff into Gdocs or Open Office too...
 
2:54 AM
I'm sure it will be fine.
 
No, but remember when Scrivener ACTUALLY ATE ALL MY WORK? See, this is a thing that could happen.
Formatting would be no problem for demon gremlins like that.
Scrivener = the problematic fave of writing programs.
Though I'm pretty sure it happened because my cat sat on my keyboard in exactly the right way, they are amazing at that.
They manage to do things with their butts at random that I can't duplicate with 10 minutes of google and thumbs.
 
@Metamaterialgirl I liked the Animorphs convention of angle brackets.
 
Not familiar with that one; some kind of thinky talker <talks like this?>
 
Yup.
 
Aaaah. Hmm.
 
3:00 AM
Just replaced " " with < > when things are getting telepathic.
 
I'm not opposed to the convention, but I am more used to italics since they're already used to convey people's internal thoughts in a lot of writing that I'm used to.
here's hoping that potential reformats there wouldn't be horrible, heh.
 
Yeah, italics for inner monologue are very common... but then when your inner monologue gets dramatic and wants to change up its font styles, italics are already taken.
And then the author goes to un-italicise inner monologue that would be italicised if it were spoken aloud, and clarity goes haywire.
Give me a good old punctuation-replacement any day.
 
Ah, yes, I've seen that issue crop up a time or two. A good point.
 
I've seen a lot of different kinds of punctuation used, and most anything except a tilde works well.
Dashes to indicate inner thought are interesting. --We're already used to seeing dashes represent a thought contained inside a sentence, so a thought contained in a brain isn't a big leap.--
For a more technically themed story, slashes can work. \\In many programming languages some kind of slash is used to set aside vernacular commentary.\\
 
I should experiment and see which looks best to me. I do get this faint dissonance from non-quotation-marks used as dialogue indicators, but that's probably some inner English snobbery.
 
3:09 AM
As a typographer I have some mechanical misgivings about italics, because I know it can be hard for them to survive transitioning between programs and typefaces while preserving the author's intent.
But other punctuation can suffer similar fates, if the exact look of the thing is crucial to the author's usage.
 
True. The fact that most story submissions still need to be sent in a Courier font throws me off because it doesn't look elegant to me.
Or rather, it's too noticeable, which detracts from the actual content.
I'm sure someone more used to it would stop noticing.
 
I'm not going to make it.
I'm too tired and I need to go to bed.
 
Sleep is important.
Speaking as someone whose REM sleep gets interrupted more nights than it doesn't, I highly recommend sleep.
 
Yes. I don't think I'm going to finish this year. I'm so far behind.
 
Well, you've been writing every day and it is a very respectable pile of words so far. Even if you don't do 50k in 30 days, you're still awesome and I still want to read it when you're ready.
 
3:17 AM
Thanks. I missed one day. I am just not that into the story this year, and I haven't been able to think about just changing into something more interesting.
 
Indeed. NaNo is definitely more of a process-y "Hey I can do the things" thing, rather than a result-y "Hey I finished a thing" thing.
 
Well...if you power through and keep writing something even though it doesn't grab you, that's gotta count toward that '10,000 hours to mastery' rule of skill development.
 
@KitZ.Fox Chandler's Law isn't helping?
 
I gotta figure. If nothing else, it's teaching me to be patient and draw out my scenes.
 
Not saying try to kill yourself for that 50k, just keep doing sprints with me. :D
 
3:18 AM
@BESW Not sure what that is?
@Metamaterialgirl I
m not giving up until it's hopeless.
 
cheers
also does not know what Chandler's Law is
 
> When in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand.
 
Oh. Well. It's young adult though.
 
Codified by Raymond Chandler, NaNo sometimes expresses it as "If all else fails, have Ninjas burst through the wall and attack someone."
 
I actually have the kids doing shots ... of espresso. That's how lame I am at this genre.
@BESW I thought it was Shovel of Doom?
 
3:21 AM
Hah! Nice.
 
The generalised concept is "add a new complication or opponent, preferably as dramatically as possible, and then you can write to figure out what's going on and what's going to happen because of it."
 
Secret twist: the espresso is actually decaf!
cue the shakes among a bunch of caffeine addicted teenagers
 
 
3 hours later…
6:30 AM
I did a 'find' search for every instance of the phrase 'a little' and realized that I have a problem.
Probably reduced my word count by 10%, eliminating them all.
gaaaah.
 
@BESW HAH!
I suppose I could try it in Newspeak.
Thank the new muses of writing for Find and Replace.
 
What did we replace 'em with?
 
Oh, various adjectives more appropriate to a given instance, but usually just chopping 'em.
It's one of my text versions of 'um', I think.
Next searches scheduled: 'a bit' and 'slightly'.
Gotta be willing to stop modifying my emotions and events downward in intensity with those wishy-washy words.
 
6:46 AM
@Metamaterialgirl Or do it with style and/or tongue firmly in cheek. "He seemed a skosh angry."
 
'She dodged a jot and a tittle sideways.'
 
"Try to retain a modicum of dignity, darling."
 
'Sure,' she replied, with a soupcon of sarcasm.
Hee. Okay, next book I'm totally doing this.
 
It's the new Swifty!
 
'It is the New Muse,' Tom said...musingly.
 
6:50 AM
Now I'm reminded of Stella Gibbons applying Baedeker ratings to her sentences in Cold Comfort Farm.
 
The Internet is telling me that this has something to do with guide books.
 
Baedeker guide books popularised the number-of-stars rating system for hotels and tourist attractions.
Baedeker didn't quite invent the star rating system, but he's the reason we talk about 3-star hotels.
 
Aaaaah....si si. This Wiki article is rather entertaining, talking about it.
The classic 'Lazy ill-tempered innkeeper snubs a random dude, dude is THE BAEDECKER IN DISGUISE, BAHAHAHAHAHA'
One star permanently removed
the pain, oh, the pain.
 
[goes to dig up Gibbons quote]
 
Oh, apparently he gave the star back when he felt the innkeeper was back up to snuff.
That was nice of him.
Oh yeah, you were actually talking about Gibbons!
Hee.
 
6:58 AM
So, Cold Comfort Farm is a masterfully satirical novel. Among other things, Gibbons (in the guise of a self-satisfied author who has fallen in love with her own overblown prose) dissects both self-satisfied authors in love with their own prose and the upper class contempt with the way people like Baedeker were making traditionally high-class entertainment (international travel, classical art, etc) accessible and understandable to people outside their rarified atmospheres.
 
I am a tad deficient in the classics. I really do need to pick more of these books up.
 
So, in her (totally in-character) introduction to the novel...
> [...]it is only because I have in mind all those thousands of persons, not unlike myself, who work in the vulgar and meaningless bustle of offices, shops, and homes, and who are not always sure whether a sentence is Literature or whether it is just sheer flapdoodle, that I have adopted the method perfected by the late Herr Baedeker, and firmly marked what I consider the finer passages with one, two, or three stars. In such a manner did the good man deal with cathedrals, hotels and paintings by men of genius.
 
Ohhhhhhhh YES.
Extra points for flapdoodle, which I had considered a Southernism that had gone extinct everywhere except a few rural districts of my parents' narrated youth.
 
This IS from 1932.
And England.
 
Ah, true, my conception may in fact be valid.
Please, please tell me that she actually does put stars into the book next to favorite sentences.
bahahahahaha
 
7:04 AM
And she's parodying a kind of especially insipid and condescending "rural romantic" writing style/genre of the period.
@Metamaterialgirl Oh, yes. Yes.
 
Killing the Wuthering Heights of the world. Yissssssssssss.
Not to disparage Wuthering Heights too much, but I just had these horrible memories of people in my high school English classes thinking that it was an imprint-worthy romance style.
'Oh, Heathcliff'
 
> "Hullo," said Flora, getting her blow in first. "I feel sure you must be Reuben. I'm Flora Poste, your cousin, you know. How do you do? I'm so glad to see somebody has come in for tea. Do sit down. Do you take milk?"
***The man's big body, etched menacingly against the bleak light that stabbed in from the low windows, did not move. His thoughts swirled like a beck in spate behind the sodden grey furrows of his face. A woman . . . Blast! Blast! Come to wrest away from him the land whose love fermented in his veins, like slow yeast. [...] Break her. Break. Keep hold and hold fast the land.
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Where has this been all my life???
 
It's been adapted for the screen by the BBC twice.
 
And...how are those adaptations? Do I need to find them too?
 
7:11 AM
Once with Brian Blessed in 1968, and then again in 1995 with... everyone.
Kate Beckinsale, Joanna Lumley, Rufus Sewell, Ian McKellen, Stephen Fry...
Read the novel first if you can. Then watch the 1995 film.
 
I shall.
 
It's even funnier if you know about the Loam & Lovechild genre, but you don't really NEED to.
 
...I've never heard that term and I already recognize what it must be talking about.
Tess of the D'urbervilles kind of thing, yes?
 
Yeah.
 
Baaaahahahahaha.
 
7:16 AM
The simplest outline of the plot is that Flora Poste is a city girl who visits her miserable and ignorant country relatives who are bound to their land and their history, and she meddles with their lives until the family shatters but each individual goes off to pursue their dreams.
 
Oh nice, a hilariously flipped version of the usual 'outsider brings unhappy family back together' thing.
So Gibbons knew her tropes.
 
Oh yeah. She's deeply comfortable satirising everything both big and small. She tackles movie star culture, contraceptives, hygiene, religion...
 
The farmhouse was a long, low building, two-storied in parts. Other parts of it were three-storied. Edward the Sixth had originally owned it in the form of a shed in which he housed his swineherd, but he had grown tired of it, and had it rebuilt it in Sussex clay. Then he pulled it down. Elizabeth had rebuilt it, with a good many chimneys in one way and another.
The Charleses had let it alone; but William and Mary had pulled it down again, and George the first had rebuilt it. George the Second, however, however, burned it down. George the Third added another wing. George the Fourth burned it down again.
I'm dying here.
 
Are you familiar with the sermon known as Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God?
Because I can't help but think Gibbons had it in mind when she wrote this beautiful scene in the Church of the Quivering Brethren.
 
Only by that phrase itself.
Watching...
All the cats are upset at me now
THANKS @BESW
This is glorious.
 
7:30 AM
THERE'LL BE NO BUTTER IN HELL!
 
my stomach hurts, oh god
 
There are several women who were writing in the 1930s who I just adore. Gibbons, Allingham, Ueland...
 
I have sadly neglected my education
 
Spsh. Education? This is fun.
 
Spent too much time in the sci-fi stacks and missed this stuff.
 
user174558
7:35 AM
Education taught me many wrong things.
 
The best education is the education you seek out yourself.
 
I was lucky to have a family and friends who between them all exposed me to wide-ranging categories of writing and knowledge.
But reaching out and digesting those things, that's always on me.
 
It IS lucky, but yes, you seem to have incorporated it pretty amazingly well.
 
Cultivating curiosity and taking the time to learn how to look for answers has done me well.
 
...one of the character's names is Dick Hawk-Monitor. My life is complete.
And certainly. A good habit to have cultivated BEFORE the Internet existed; we folks who did so get to appreciate just how frikkin' EASY it is now to learn things.
And also know to apply a bit of the fine art of source-checking, heh.
 
7:40 AM
@Metamaterialgirl Dick Hawk-Monitor is, in my mind, outclassed only by Landen Parke-Laine.
But then, I'm a sucker for awful puns.
 
Hah! I wouldn't have gotten that one.
 
He's the protagonist's "perfect man" fiancé, the guy who's absolutely Mister Right.
 
Ah, not unfamiliar with that trope, it was popular in sci-fi for awhile.
 
@Metamaterialgirl Naturally, Eyre Affair being what it is, Landen starts the story a disgraced war veteran and amputee, and quickly gets erased from history altogether.
 
Damn it, I need to make a list.
AND I need to finish my word count, so I probably shouldn't get these all at once.
 
7:54 AM
[grin] You'd like The Eyre Affair, I think.
 
The wiki looks intriguing.
 
It's not quite so cuttingly dense of a satire as Cold Comfort Farm, but it's an interesting world.
The basic premise is an alternate universe where pop culture is obsessed with literature.
 
So someone's utopian AU, yes :D
 
Instead of Rocky Horror Picture Show interactive viewings, there are interactive stagings of Richard III. The police have a Literature division.
And when a mad scientist invents a machine which lets you enter any text that you put into the device, a supervillain steals it, and the original manuscript of Jane Eyre.
He kidnaps Jane out of Jane Eyre, which (since it's the original manuscript and the novel is written in the first person) makes every copy of the book in the entire world go blank.
After that things get really weird.
 
...WELL then.
scribbles on list
 
8:00 AM
The first novel is a stand-alone; the rest of the series is... serial... so you have to read them all to get to another good stopping point.
I don't think they're quite as brilliant as the first, but they're still pretty fun.
 
I dig it.
yawns hugely I think...it is my bedtime.
G'night @BESW :)
 
I should be heading home myself.
ttfn
 
user174558
8:59 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Are you still awake?
 
1:52 PM
@JasperLoy No, I forgot to sign out of chat last night
 
 
2 hours later…
3:24 PM
Hi!
Chat day!
 
3:35 PM
Hi! :)
 
@BESW Oh, I read the sequel to that book. It wasn't very good.
 
3:49 PM
I mean, I didn't think it was awful, but it had a lot of cheesy jokes. Someone gave it to me and told me that it was a lot like Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Maybe I'm just not suited to that kind of humor.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:32 PM
Writers chat.
 
Where writers chat
 
Here!
 
5:56 PM
Here!
(are we doing roll call?)
 
Oh.
 
I'm only here because I'm here.
 
I was working on my blog post.
I forgot.
 
6:30 PM
I'll be here in 5 minutes
 
I'm going to use it as an opportunity to sprint.
 
So is there a writing exercise today?
 
Well, for me, it is to write for NaNo.
 
Maybe I should just do last week's.
 
6:46 PM
I'm going to get coffee. brb
OK.
Are you ready? @Matt @MετάEd Are you joining?
 
Oh. You already went.
 
well, I can hang around while you sprint :)
 
7:01 PM
Oh well...I'd feel awkward about that.
 
7:47 PM
I've written myself into a corner.
I can't figure out what Jesse is going to show his friends that will explain his weird behavior.
 
a shoebox full of pornography.
Or,
A shoebox full of animal skeletons.
 
animal skeletons...hmm.
 
Or,
A shoebox full of shoes. Incredibly hard to find shoes.
 
It has to obliquely connect to Crystal.
 
But so fabulous
Have you seen these? The latest animal-bone-porn shoes.
I'm not sure I'm helping.
 
7:53 PM
No, it's good. Keep brainstorming. A shoebox is good. He found a shoebox with something in it.
He's been trying to ask Eddie's sister about it, because he thinks it has something to do with his sister (who is her best friend), but it doesn't.
The something(s) is/are Crystal's. Which makes it weirder.
Oh. There are drawings. That's how Eddie will know. Drawings of what? In addition to what? What would bother Jesse enough to go talk to his sister's best friend?
 
The something is old, or valuable, or taboo.
 
Drawing on pictures of people in the neighborhood?
 
drawings could reveal illicit behaviour of the artist.
 
That would work, but why would Jesse think it was his sister.
 
one of the drawings could only have been done by her.
something he knows of that only she's seen.
or only the two of them have seen.
 
7:58 PM
but it's not really his sister's.
 
So Jesse has a shoebox full of something odd that he thinks is his sister's, but it isn't hers?
 
Right. Something that concerns him.
 
is jesse's sister involved in the shoebox's creation? Is its provenance ultimately important?
 
But also scares him a little, because he doesn't ask her about it, he wants to ask her friend about it instead.
 
As in, "If it's not hers, whose is it?!"
 
8:00 PM
Yeah. Like that.
Because we will know, after Eddie sees it, who it really belongs to, and that will deepen the mystery.
Oop! Gotta go!
 
user116848
Hi all.
 
user116848
Kit you there?
 
Have I missed?
... missed the chat exercise?
 
user116848
Hi@Andrew. Long time no see. How goes it?
 
It's going well @Arrowfar. I'm just managing to get a little sleep now that my son is sleeping through the night. Yay!
How're you?
 
user116848
8:11 PM
I'm fine thanks. I was heading for the bed myself. It is night time here. See ya!
 
A shoebox...filled with drawings AND weird little 'fictional' stories of hurting people whose names Eddie knows? Friends, family, etc.?
Tiny well-crafted dolls painted with red tears dripping from their eyes and pins stuck through their hands, feet, and groins?
oh wait, YA, just hands and feet then.
Many, many baby teeth, each with a carefully labeled tag stating its original owner's name and location of retrieval, said locations including a disturbing number of bedrooms?
 
@Andrew we didn't do one today. I just did last week's, which I hadn't done yet.
 
Hi @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇!
 
Oh, baby teeth AND little locks of hair...both used to make tiny well-crafted dolls!
 
8:19 PM
Sleep well @Arrowfar.
 
Hi @Andrew!
 
and all the dolls are missing something. like a left foot, or a finger, or one eye, or their faces.
 
Hey @Metamaterialgirl!
 
In another box, doll fingers.
 
OOOOOOOhhhh, yissss.
 
8:20 PM
pinned to a board, with nails nicely manicured.
 
And their tiny mouths are all open in horrified 'o's
 
Oh man... I think I stepped in to the macabre theater.
<reaching for popcorn>
 
LOL, proper response.
 
in the bag of popcorn: doll fingers.
 
The teeth are planted in each doll's chest, where the heart would be.
 
8:21 PM
everywhere. doll fingers are everywhere.
 
oh god, you just reminded me of one of my fave webcomic makers; he actually did a drawing that was more-or-less exactly that.
I mean, other stuff was going on too
but there were like 18 doll fingers strewn about the shed.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇: ha ha ha
 
Thunt, illustrating goblinscomic.org, incidentally.
 
I forgot how to make hyperlinks.
GAH
 
8:23 PM
OMG.... was not expecting that
And... I can't unsee that . LOL
 
IT'S GENDER-SWAPPED CORINTHIAN
Okay, the tiny dolls now officially have to have three screaming mouths in their faces.
 
Here's my contribution to horrible photos or creepy creepiness
 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
Ugh... so gross
I should flag that for the moderator... gross gross gross
 
You're grossing YOURSELF out, that's fantastic
Is that a leech mouth I wonder?
 
8:28 PM
That photo gives me the willies. It took a small amount of intestinal fortitude to post that because I keep having to look at it.
It is actually the Buccal canal of a lamprey
 
I need to re-learn how to post pics and hyperlinks here.
Oooh, that makes more sense.
Kind of but not quite leechy.
All those little chewy chewy mouthparts.
 
DO NOT look up Google images for this search term... ugh:
"lamprey disease"
No no no no no....
 
'do not think of a blue elephant'
 
:)
This image is funny though.
Sorry... I'll stop hijacking your conversation about doll parts.
 
Oh man, those pics are all ABOUT the Trypophobia.
 
8:32 PM
proof, if anyone ever needed it, that spongebob is inappropriate for children.
 
Heh. One day if I decide to do the ultimate creepy Halloween costume I'll paste a bunch of these things on trypophobia.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/trypophobia5.jpg
Bahahahahahahaha
 
HOLY *&$%....
I have always had trypophobia but had no idea there was a word for that. Mine manifests in bodily holes that shouldn't be on skin or any unplanned location.
My first, soul jarring nightmare involved my arm being broken and having the texture of morel mushrooms. To this day, it still sends shivers over my skin
 
Oh wow...The More You Know. Yes, apparently your fear is shared widely.
Sounds like you have a particularly notable case of it.
I'll, uh, refrain from posting Surinam toad pics then.
 
Puncture holes I'm okay with, in the sense that I'm still disturbed by the gore, but no more than would be normal gore perturbation.
However, holes in flesh with fleshy bits and malformed skin lattices with fleshy degradation. Ugh...
Thank you. I believe I'll pass on the frogs, until this wave of heeby-jeebies passes and I have the courage to look at those frogs
in a month or so
 
snickers, feels mildly guilty afterward
Okay, so now the dolls are made of clay and have areas of their bodies where a needle poked dozens of close-packed tiny holes.
 
8:46 PM
Feel no guilt... I dug my own hole there... :)
ha ha ha... hole. That's so creepy.
 
That one's definitely one of those weird parasite-aversion instincts, methinks.
 

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