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6:00 PM
Superstition exists even if the backing behind it is false
 
@Gigili feel free to add me as a buddy (neomojo)
 
@GraceNote I get it now
 
OK. It's just past the hour. I want to thank you again @GraceNote for your impromptu advice.
 
@MattЭллен Umm, I did search but "Your search for ‘neomojo’ yielded 0 results."
 
sad panda
 
6:02 PM
No problem! Ask me about character design next time and I'll be a lot more interesting.
 
I must fix this
 
Let's cover character design next time.
Unless other people want something different?
 
I could just dialogue a bit about it right now, even if the official event isn't going on right now
 
For the 9/25/2012 chat, we'll talk about the novel-sized worlds we're creating and discuss how to design characters.
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@KitFox - I'd be interested in character design, actually. As in listening intently and taking notes.
 
6:05 PM
OK, I don't want to squash the flow, but this is where I'd usually say "Does anyone have some writing that they want to share?"
I've got a different idea though.
Why don't we talk about character design briefly, then for our timed exercise, we can all write a brief character sketch?
Does that sound like fun?
 
@KitFox sure
 
That sounds fun
 
OK, so designing characters. Where to start?
 
no idea
 
I have certain people I model my characters on.
 
6:07 PM
Hair and eye color, obviously
 
Choosing the right name is usually the hardest part for me.
And writing meek women authentically.
 
@KitFox i was just thinking about picking a name
 
@MattЭллен I'm Gigili anyway, in case you didn't recognize me.
 
Ooh, naming is always an odd thing. I was always fond of the Periodic Approach
 
@GraceNote ?
 
6:09 PM
There's actually a strategy available for major projects but it can be cumbersome to take, which is basically "Create a naming convention".
 
I have difficulty unstereotyping my peripheral characters too. I don't like leaving my Fetts unadorned and unnoticed.
 
@Gigili you are not appearing either :(
 
@DForck42 You take the periodic table of elements, and you look around and pick random elements and slap them together in the order you look at.
 
@MattЭллен Check through my profile. I've got you both.
 
@GraceNote lmao
 
6:10 PM
For example, I once landed on La, Zr, In, Al. Cut off the L at the end, and I've got a serviceable surname of Lazrina.
 
@GraceNote Interesting.
 
@GraceNote interesting
 
You should have picked Tr instead of Zr.
 
i like to take a word that describes a character and rearrange it
 
@Cerberus har har
 
6:12 PM
for my dnd cleric, i rearranged the word "cleric" into elric
 
On the topic of naming conventions, just think of the culture of your characters and why they'd have whatever names. For example, in some cultures it's very common for first sons to take the name of their father, or a derivative. Surnames very commonly refer to professions. You can sometimes just take that and then spin from it
 
@MattЭллен wink
 
I can't say how many times I've stolen the name Lancaster.
 
@KitFox thanks!
 
HoUttFlUup
 
6:13 PM
My own name is a profession, to wit
 
Atwhay ifway eway adhay anway entireway Igpay Atinlay ivilizationcay?
 
Awesome. Run with it.
 
@GraceNote Yes. What I also like is when, of certain characters from the same culture, many have a certain typical element in their names.
 
@BoltClock There's your nano.
 
Lancaster cautiously approached Lancaster. "This is the last time, Lancaster" said Lancaster.
 
6:13 PM
@JackBNimble lmao
 
@MattЭллен OK, buddies!
 
@Cerberus Exactly. Nothing makes things weirder than having two people who are allegedly similar in domain, have completely and wildly unrelatable name concepts.
 
Like Balgashi, Rekkishe and Ashfalgar.
Or whatever.
 
@Cerberus Now I'm imagining a society where people's names are all containing a similar element of the periodic table
 
6:14 PM
This is a bit too cliché, but I had only a few seconds.
 
Nothing like Nathaniel Hotspurs III being the uncle of Rosala Luidhe Heina.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha, oh dear.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hah
 
I'm Jimbo O'Hydrogen
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 neat
 
6:15 PM
We named my son's stuffy Duck Duck McDucken.
 
One thing you should watch out for is the unintended consequences of picking existing words or names from some language or culture that the reader actually knows.
 
He had a chicken in the woodpile, if that's not a horribly racist thing to say.
It probably is. I don't know. Why did my mother have to be so uncouth?
 
Something like "The Great Arch-Sarkozy of Hitashi" is...well, let's say controversial.
 
What do you get when you combine Spider-man with Batman. Spider-Bat? Or Man-Man? I went with Man-Man.
 
I have no idea what that even means
 
6:17 PM
@JackBNimble the bat-spider-man
 
a man who got bitten by a radioactive man and now has the powers of a man
 
@Cerberus well, these days, there are readers who know any language
 
Man-Man, twice the man!
 
@MattЭллен lmao!
 
children melting down bbl
 
6:17 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then you should take that into account.
@KitFox applies ice cubes
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Remember when Norse Mythology was relatively unknown? Remember when Greek Mythology was relatively unknown?
 
@GraceNote i gave a speech on greek mythology in speech class in highschool, so no
 
remember when the Internet was relatively unknown? pines
 
@GraceNote Uh, like never?
 
Like, I find it annoying when a fantasy book uses Latin roots for all the character names, in a transparent attempt to connote whatever the latin word is as a character trait.
 
6:18 PM
You should only use existing words and names if you know what you're doing.
In Science Fiction or Latter-Day Fantasy, it is very well possible.
 
When I was young, Greek Mythology was the cool thing to reference while Norse Mythology was much unknown
 
It's only slightly more opaque than naming your evil henchwoman "Evil Lyn" *cough He-Man *cough
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 we've used latin words for dnd names before. Metus Incendia, such a great name
 
All of my dwarves are named Frodo Baggins. No relation.
 
It changed a lot by the time I graduated college. And this is excluding anything about Thor specifically.
 
6:19 PM
Like the Padisha in Dune: a felicitous title.
 
@JackBNimble lol
 
@JackBNimble OMG all my giants are called that!
 
@JackBNimble O_0
 
I've got to go. Thanks for all the tips @GraceNote
 
@DForck42 Then it needs to be correct Latin!
 
6:20 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hackneyed stuff for hinting purpose I've never really liked, to some extent. I like it to be "Hey, this is relevant" without being "Ooohoohoohoot, I am soooo clever here"
 
Bye!
 
No problem, Matt
 
Je suis retourné!
 
Welcome back
 
@Cerberus bah
 
6:20 PM
Dank(e).
 
@GraceNote yeah.
 
I must say most of the subtop Scifi/Fantasy writers I know use some names that grate on my brain.
People like Vance, Herbert, and Tolkien are immune.
 
Though frankly, I find it annoying when the author chooses the name of the character to hint at something at all. That's not how names are chosen. Names are random.
 
They know what they're doing.
 
Oh, while we're on this topic... two part question.
 
6:21 PM
@DForck42 !
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I mostly gree.
 
(1) You are the leader of a group of bandits known as "The Wise Bandits". Your name is Owl. Is this cool/interesting or not?
 
@Cerberus i hate apostrophes in names...
 
@GraceNote It could be cool or lame.
 
@GraceNote Could be OK, fitting for bandits.
@DForck42 That's fine!
 
@Cerberus typo, meant hate
 
6:23 PM
@DForck42 Oh haha.
 
@GraceNote it will depend on the implementation
 
So I have a few ideas: a My Little Pony fanfic, a Neopets fanfic, a murder mystery set in an empty city called Vendetta, and a story about an entire Pig Latin civilization (of what nature/genre I don't know yet)
 
Funny typo.
 
(2) When you charge in battle, your battle cry is "OUT OF THE WAY, OWL COMING THROUGH!". What just happened to your cool factor after this?
 
@DForck42 I am OK with apostrophes if well used—but I agree that they are usually not.
 
6:23 PM
@GraceNote lmao!
 
@BoltClock Interesting fandoms you got there.
 
@GraceNote Um, is this for a game?
 
@BoltClock yes to the last two, no to the first two
 
Not very cool if you ask me, but that is personal.
 
@Mahnax I know. The Neopets one I've been meaning to do for a long time (read: 6 years)
But 50k words? Naaaaaaah
 
6:24 PM
@GraceNote Not really "cool", but perhaps it makes up for it in "funny"
 
@GraceNote i find that quite hilarious.
 
@Cerberus It comes from an actual game I played four years ago. So far, while the actual cool factor of the name in the first question varies from "Pretty cool/fitting" to "Decent", it is unanimously declared as "All cool factor lost" the moment the warcry is brought up.
 
@DForck42 I'm absolutely terrible at mysteries, though
 
@Cerberus Robots are significantly easier to name. Series RJ-0002 stepped off the assembly line. Today was the first day in it's 280 day non-replaceable Apple battery life cycle.
 
@BoltClock 50k words is a lot for any fanfic…
 
6:25 PM
@GraceNote Yeah, then we appear to support the consensus.
 
@Mahnax Yeah I know
 
@JackBNimble Hahaha very creative!
But realistic.
 
@GraceNote yeah, I'd agree. In real battle, people don't say "Out of the way". They don't want you to get out of the way. they want you to die.
 
stamps on non-replaceable batteries
 
Too bad writing in Pig Latin doesn't serve to increase my word count at all
 
6:26 PM
Alright, Physics time. Mahnax out.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They might be speaking to their comrades.
 
@Cerberus "you have just voided your warrenty"
 
@DForck42 Is that what it says when you replace a non-replaceable battery?
I have never owned a device without a replaceable battery, I think.
 
@Cerberus sure
 
That's a safety feature, in case the robots try to overthrow their human masters.
 
6:27 PM
And I don't plan to.
 
@Cerberus maybe. But what kind of combat is being described here? Nerf combat?
 
@DForck42 So taunting! I could smack them.
 
I say "in case" as if it doesn't mean "inevitably."
 
@Cerberus Not even those birthday cards that sing happy birthday to you?
 
@JackBNimble Yes, in the case of Apple, I applaud all their antics.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What's that?
 
6:28 PM
To me, while owls are vicious predators, the name "Owl" isn't intimidating to hear in an "I'm about to deliver you from this world" sense, especially when it's phrased in a sentence like that.
 
Someday your iPhone will try to kill you. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but maybe tomorrow.
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@JackBNimble Some people are trying to hard-wire the bestest robot to protect us.
 
@Cerberus Nerf is a brand of toys that are soft. like, foam footballs, or foam darts. Popular because they reduce the odds of injury.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ehh I never get those?
 
@GraceNote yeah, owls should be silent.
 
6:28 PM
@GraceNote Owl sounds like a rogue leader who has great stealth, night vision, and can possibly fly.
Not terrifying though.
 
@JackBNimble Kill it first, then.
 
Just a really top notch thief.
 
Owls can be terrifying!
They are aggressive predators.
 
@KitFox Exactly my thoughts
 
They can be ruthless, but not terrifying.
I am not afraid of an owl's appearance.
 
6:29 PM
@Cerberus and they vomit!
 
They're terrifying if you're a mouse. Not if you're a person
 
And in this case, the enemy was an army general, so...
(Stereotypical femme fatale general who is obsessed with war and conflict, yadda yadda)
 
The Owl swooped down upon his prey. Riping and biting he ravaged the would be jaywalker. The police soon arrived on the scene.
 
6:31 PM
Normally I bring this game up because the romantic leads for the main character were: your younger sister, the 14-year-old Princess of Darkness, and the Pope.
 
This one is the best.
@GraceNote Your younger sister, really?
 
@Cerberus I like how there's an entire, ongoing debate in the comments on whether this video was stolen or not
 
Stolen?
 
@Cerberus Well, the main character is a prince, but you aren't actually the prince, you're the official double who they use for public functions and all that, y'know, in case there's an attempt on his life. Not that this helped since he ended up getting killed and now you have to continue to pretend to be him. But this also means that she's not your real sister.
 
When I was a kid a pair of Great owls moved into our area and anniliated all of our cats (of which there were at least a dozen). We lived in the country.
 
6:35 PM
@GraceNote Ahh, better.
@JackBNimble Wow, seriously??
 
@JackBNimble :(
 
I had no idea owls could kill cats.
Horrible.
 
@GraceNote I feel like I just read the back cover of that story, except the roles were all gender-reversed.
 
@Cerberus True story. We eventually found the owl nest littered with cat bones. Additionally one of the owls got snagged on a barbwired fence and died.
 
Heh
 
6:36 PM
@JackBNimble Wow, I am shocked.
 
I assume the papal authority in the story you read wasn't a little girl, though.
 
We have large owls here, though probably only far out into the country too.
 
@Cerberus According to one author, "Almost any living creature that walks, crawls, flies, or swims, except the large mammals, is the great horned owl's legitimate prey".
 
There are other attacks cats have to fear, though.
A cat's life is never easy.
@JackBNimble Legitimate, even! So it chose to forgo "chaotic" and "neutral" in this RPG.
 
apparently there's no band practice
@GraceNote lol "paypal authority" my eyes are playing tricks
 
6:40 PM
@MattЭллен So you aren't actually leaving
 
@Cerberus There is a video of a giant octopus in the suggestions
 
@GraceNote not right now
 
Actually, I'm not sure if it's because I watched octopus videos recently. It seems like YouTube's beginning to mix suggestions based on my recent history with suggestions based on the video I am watching
 
@MattЭллен I read that too!
@BoltClock Ohh almost as fierce a creature. Is it good, the video?
@BoltClock No, I get the octopus video too.
 
@Cerberus it's make sense! who else has authority?
 
6:41 PM
nods
 
@Cerberus Huh, strange. Probably because the video description is in Russian and it's about animals
 
Aiite, I'm going to grab lunch, but I look forward to next week
 
@BoltClock Hmm yeah could be.
Bye!
 
Does anyone want to do the timed writing exercise, or should we skip it this week?
 
6:50 PM
I'm up for it
 
I'm tired
 
Me too, but please don't choose a difficult topic like last week.
 
OK, is everyone ready?
 
Yes.
 
6:52 PM
what is the topic?
 
@Gigili Would you care to do the honors?
(And sorry if I promised someone else and then forgot.)
 
@KitFox waits in anticipation
 
@Gigili ?
 
also waiting in anticipation in the peanut gallery
 
@KitFox Umm, what?
 
6:55 PM
@Gigili Do you want to pick the topic for the timed write this week?
 
What are the rules?
 
Ten minutes writing on whatever topic is chosen.
 
@JackBNimble one topic, ten minutes
 
I put mine on my blog to share.
 
@JackBNimble write about the topic chosen in the alloted time
 
6:56 PM
jinx!
 
Other people use pastebin and stuff.
Or just do it without sharing.
 
@KitFox same here
 
@KitFox Umm, I can't think of an interesting topic right now. Sorry.
 
OK. Anyone else want to pick the topic, or shall I?
 
Topic: The day the pigs flew.
 
6:57 PM
Perhaps @DavidWallace has an idea.
 
OK. Go.
 
That is more of a title I suppose.
 
"The Day The Pigs Flew." See you in ten.
 
Hmmm... think think think
 
OK.
 
7:07 PM
And done.
 
Time's up!
 
I sure hope it wasn't supposed to be conclusive.
 
Here is mine.
@JackBNimble Oh hells no.
It is for fun and to help loosen up our writing reflexes.
 
oh, right. I'l stop then
 
Mine can be found here
 
I have to go to a meeting, but I'll be back in an hour to look at people's.
 
So, tell us when to start?
 
7:11 PM
@KitFox cute
 
13 mins ago, by KitFox
OK. Go.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 can't breathe laughing so hard
 
@JackBNimble looks like we went donw a similer but different vein
 
@KitFox srsly? I didn't like it.
 
@KitFox haha, farmer baker! What a card.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I thought it was funny. Particularly "take that, bitches."
 
7:14 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 lmao!
 
I wanted it to be more exciting but I learned that I don't know how to write a good chase scene.
 
@MattЭллен nice
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yay, you learned something!
 
anyone read mine?
 
@DForck42 Yes :D very bloody!
 
7:18 PM
Blood gore more boars!
 
@MattЭллен :-D
 
@KitFox :-D
@Gigili yes?
 
Yes.
 
ok
 
7:24 PM
gotta run, later folks
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 bye!
 
CU MrS
 
Me too.
 
@Gigili bye!
 
CU Gigili
 
7:27 PM
@kitfox i think i likeyours the best. "crazy farmer barker" is just aweomse
 
I gotta head too. Laters! Glad you liked it.
 
@KitFox bye!
 
@KitFox cu
 
Oh, I missed a writing exercise
 
@GraceNote yup
you can still participate, jsut time yourself for 10 minutes
 
7:34 PM
I could
 
@GraceNote prod prod you should ;-)
 
I should but I'd probably just spend 10 minutes writing about a completely different subject matter
 
@GraceNote lmao. well the topic is "the day the pigs flew"
 
I read some of the runs already
 
ahh
 
 
2 hours later…
9:13 PM
I'm a little bit late (as always for Tuesday chat), but nonetheless let me add a slightly different viewpoint to your NaNo approach.
First a hint: character development and naming is handled on the main site. Take a look.
So, you guys want to write your first novel. The first is different from any other. And if you want to do it during NaNo, I tell you: preparation is overrated.
Look, there is a lot of good advice in writing books, on Writers.SE and all other kind of places, telling you about plotting, world building and stuff. The truth is, if you haven't written a novel yet, you are lacking experience to understand and use all this advice in a meaningful way. Difference between theory (oh, sure, that sounds easy) and practice (fucking shit how do they do that?).
Summary: Don't sweat it, write! Go pansing for NaNo (or whenever you write your first novel). Make up details as you write and jot them down somewhere. This goes for world building, character development, naming, and on and on.
 
Oh yay, I haven't seen you in months upon months
@LadybugKiller This is largely why I have eight massive documents accumulated over 3 months of writing and not just "a ton of ideas in my head".
Hm. Reviewing what I wrote, I never did specify that 'You should be writing everything', did I?
 
Ah, Miss Hunter, how do you do?
 
I'm doing pretty well. Been a bit... swampish for the past few months. I should drop by and say hi to Welbog again, I feel really bad that I don't drop by as often as I used to
How have you been? Last I heard you had pretty much vanished.
 
9:29 PM
Vanished? Not from Writers and GL&U
I'm rarely on Meta, that's true.
 
Might've been the Meta aspect, although Writers was our topic at the time.
 
You can follow Welly's diatribes on G+, if you decide to go "social".
 
Hah, he's now all on G+, now, is he?
 
Well, Wave is dead :(
 
Unfortunately, it is, a shame
 
9:32 PM
The good ones always die first. Now tell me, what eight docs have you written in three months?
 
Oh, just random collections of designs for one of my major game projects - some parts charts of stuff, other parts paragraphs on some character or component of the world. There actually is no reason why they're separated in eight documents, which is actually a really bad thing.
 
Hmm, you have heard about Wikis? ;)
 
It was after that when I was introduced to Zim, a Desktop Wiki application
I used to actually have a PBWiki. Two, in fact, for two different world settings.
 
Zim? Never heard. I use Wikid editior.
 
This is their site if you're curious but I say that "No reason to change tools if the current one does everything you need". It's just a simple and lightweight wiki thing.
I stopped using PBWiki because needing an internet connection started to be inconvenient.
Y'know, the more I think about it, the more I should actually write in there. I have a lot of stuff from long ago that I still use to help shape stuff, but the actual writing of all that is buried in ancient documents I'm not even sure I still have. No harm in a refresher course.
Since I was going to bring it up on next week's talk, I'll probably start with the personality matrix.
 
9:39 PM
That tool sounds similar to the one I use: wikidpad.sourceforge.net
 
Hah, wow, they look very similar in terms of feature sets
 
Personality matrix? Well, bring it up. As I said, we have some stuff on the main site, but it can never hurt to get more. And if you have a strong character, it is easier to go through writing and neglecting everything else (like worldbuilding).
 
@LadybugKiller Personality matrix is essentially just a variant of the Myers-Briggs system. I created it actually for a game-mechanic in a different project, aligning 14/16 elements with certain personality expressions (the last two elements representing the two ends of the axes of the seven sets).
Basically, a literal correspondence between how a person was at heart, and what elemental control that person was best at. But it turns out that it actually had some handiness in just analyzing characters so I've started to use it as sort of a "Base measurement". It's of course just as inaccurate as Myers-Briggs is, but somehow, for me at least, it works.
 
Oh, Myers. Welly would be fond of, I guess. I personally am not a fan of his method. But for fictional presons it should be sufficient :)
 
Quite. The numbers aren't even as meaningful as just measuring them out, it gives you insight as you think why they might be more inclined to one side or another.
 
9:48 PM
I use the interview strategy for my characters. Asking strange question, getting stranger answers. I like that.
 
Ooh, I should try that
Hah, actually if I think about it, that was even one of the things I had to do for one of my last courses in school. They had this survey thing that you had to fill out in the voice of each of your characters in your project.
Didn't think about extending that. Thanks, @Ladybug
 
Do you like puppies? Do you drown them? Would fight naked? Would you kill your mom to rescue your wife? - So much fun :)
 
Hah
 
Oh, almost midnight. And I still have something to do. I also need some sleep. @GraceNote, that was nice chatting to you again. Maybe we meet next week. So long.
 
It was good to see you again, as well.
Rest well
 
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