The Frying Pan

@FaheemMitha I can give you a recipe for a French-style bread that barely needs touching. Just mix it all, put it in the fridge overnight, then take it out, portion it up, and bake in the morning

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Sounds good.

Damn, just spent 1/2 hr fixing an error in my accounts. What a pain.

I made an error on the 10th of August, and it cascaded. Bummer.

ElendilTheTall

ouch

epaperpress.com/recipes/bread.html

Faheem Mitha

Apparently I Suck at Subtraction.

@ElendilTheTall Thanks.

@ElendilTheTall Have you made this yourself? Does it come out well?

ElendilTheTall

9:58 AM

Yes, and yes

it is delicious

it has a nice nutty crust and a chewy, open crumb

ElendilTheTall

10:14 AM

@FaheemMitha here's one I made earlier ^

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Oh, using that same recipe? Ok.

ElendilTheTall

yeah

it is the antithesis of the 'place the dough in a warm place to rise for an hour or so' approach

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall I see. I didn't know you could make bread like that.

ElendilTheTall

like what? cold?

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Yes, keeping it in the fridge.

ElendilTheTall

10:28 AM

oh, absolutely - the slower and colder the better for flavour

generally fast-rising breads rely on other things (fat, sugar, and salt usually) to give flavour

more traditional rustic breads consisting only of flour, water, yeast and salt need a long slow prove to develop good flavour

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall I see. Interesting. I've printed it out. Unfortunately our cook can't read English, so he needs it explained to him.

ElendilTheTall

10:51 AM

tut

you can't get the staff these days

Jolenealaska

hi guys

Faheem Mitha

11:20 AM

Wow, I just got an abusive letter from a criminal. Best news I've had all day.

Quite cheered me up.

Hi @Jolenealaska. So, bad birthday?

Jolenealaska

Not really all that bad, I can probably make right one thing that went wrong.

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska Did you have a birthday party?

Jolenealaska

sort of. The American Legion near me was having a party anyway, so I called it my birthday party.

I sold them gumbo.

That went over well

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska That's nice. Are you going to sell them gumbo regularly?

Gigili

@ElendilTheTall Soooo, you too take pictures of your cooking creations

Jolenealaska

11:31 AM

that is the plan. I'll sell to the 5 American Legions and 4 VFWs in the area.

Gigili

Interesting

Hi @Jolenealaska

Hi @Gigili

@Gigili Don't you?

brb

Happy birthday! Sorry I forgot to say that earlier

@FaheemMitha Of course I do, that's my hobby! but @ElendilTheTall is the one who said it's a waste of time

Or so I remember

Stephie

11:41 AM

@ElendilTheTall your bread looks great - I guess I have to get a new batch of baguette in my fridge. I usually let mine rise / ripen for three days (+/- 1). It's really low-yeast... The main heat wave should be over by then and I can fire up the oven without a bad conscience or working at night.

@FaheemMitha - does your cook have a dutch oven? You know, those big, heavy enameled iron pots that can go on the stove and in the oven? This is a good trick for beginners in bread baking, especially if you have no pizza stone and no experience in creating good steam for the bread.

Faheem Mitha

11:55 AM

@Stephie I don't think so, but I'll ask.

Yoga time. Later, people.

Faheem Mitha

1:18 PM

@Stephie Is this a typical example of one of these ovens?

amazon.com/Lodge-Camp-Dutch-Oven-Qt/dp/B00008GKDV

Jolenealaska

1:44 PM

   @FaheemMitha that one is very similar to mine, I used to have one just like that. That one is made more for outdoor cooking.

this is mine:

enameled Dutch ovens are much more expensive.

Here is one that's not bad:

amazon.com/Useful-UH-CI136-5-5QT-Enamel-Covered/dp/B00ZIZQ0XS/…

This is the standard:

amazon.com/Creuset-Signature-Enameled-Cast-Iron-2-Quart/dp/…

Anubian Noob

2:25 PM

Can you put an enameled one directly on coals?

Jolenealaska

Probably, but I wouldn't.

That's what natural (cheap) cast iron is for.

Anubian Noob

What's the difference between this enameled dutch oven and just a normal pot?

Jolenealaska

2:49 PM

A Dutch oven is by definition very heavy. Usually they are made out of cast-iron. The lids are also heavy, and close-fitting.

A non-enameled cast-iron Dutch oven would cost about $30 new, a bit more for a Dutch oven with feet and a handle like the one Faheem showed earlier.

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska Ok, thank you for the examples.

@Stephie My cook says he recognizes the thing, but doesn't have a name for it. I forgot to ask him if he actually has one.

Anubian Noob

An enameled one is basically a heavy duty pot then?

I'm confused because I've only used an iron one and only camping

So we'd bring that, and coals, and all that fun stuff

And make cobbler or smth

Faheem Mitha

@Stephie To be clear, are you saying bread could be made in one of these?

Faheem Mitha

3:34 PM

@ElendilTheTall the text on that web page prints quite faint. Any suggestions on how to improve it?

ElendilTheTall

3:46 PM

@FaheemMitha copy and paste it into an application in which you can control the colour of the text...?

@Gigili I do recall saying something along those lines. I also recall you saying, some time later, that you agreed with me. However, I believe the main thrust of my criticism was reserved for those taking photos of food in restaurants etc, rather than taking photos of food they have made.

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall I suppose there is one way to go. But I'd lose the pics.

ElendilTheTall

Copy and paste them as well

Jeez, this is computing 101

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Pictures don't copy and paste, afaik.

Maybe you're thinking of Word or something.

Anyway, never mind.

Anubian Noob

You can copy and paste pictures

Faheem Mitha

@AnubianNoob Not in X.

Anubian Noob

3:54 PM

X

Ekz

Stephie

@FaheemMitha Absolutely. If you google "dutch oven bread" you'll find plenty of examples and lots of youtube videos. In short, pre-heat oven and pot well, dump the shaped loaf in, close the lid. Remove lid after 1/2 or 2/3 of estimated baking time. The idea is that you trap the steam in the pot, which allows the bread to rise well. The longer you leave it closed, the softer the crust, if you open sooner, it gets crisper. But leave closed for at least 10-15 minutes.

Faheem Mitha

@Stephie I see. Would this work with the receipe @ElendilTheTall posted?

Jolenealaska

@AnubianNoob

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Q: Preheat the Dutch oven (and the oven itself) for No-Knead Bread? (experiment results)

I'm trying the America's Test Kitchen tweak of No-Knead Bread. The video segment on the website conflicts with the attached written recipe (sorry, paywalled). The video clearly says to preheat the oven and the Dutch oven before slipping the dough into the hot Dutch oven and baking it. The written...

bread

Anubian Noob

ooh

I feel like I'm reading a foreign language

I'm understanding 1 in 4 words

Stephie

@FaheemMitha Most likely. I don't see why not. But of course you don't need the stone and no extra water inthe oven.

Faheem Mitha

3:59 PM

@Stephie Ok. Er, stone? What stone?

Stephie

@AnubianNoob can I help? I do quite a but of baking but learnd the weird vocab only recently.

@FaheemMitha The Pizza stone. Usually it goes on the rack in the oven. I think I saw it in @ElendilTheTall's recipe.

3rd picture in the recipe.

Faheem Mitha

4:21 PM

@Stephie I see it mentioned in the text, but no in the picture. Whatever it is, I'll happily forget about it.

ElendilTheTall

@FaheemMitha pictures copy and paste in proper operating systems :P. You can always save them and insert them

Stephie

5:42 PM

Hi @Cindy! Good news yet?

Cindy

@Stephie No, not yet. The third interview was to have taken place yesterday but the gentleman who was to interview me had a family emergency. So I'm waiting to hear when it will be now.

ElendilTheTall

@Cindy damnation

Cindy

@ElendilTheTall Hi!

ElendilTheTall

What could possibly be more important?!

Cindy

Lol.

Stephie

5:47 PM

We'll keep our fingers crossed! (Unless we are kneading dough. But perhaps toes?)

Cindy

@ElendilTheTall Are you enjoying your holiday?

@Stephie Thanks!

ElendilTheTall

@Cindy in true Bank Holiday tradition, it has been peeing it down all day

Cindy

@ElendilTheTall Here, too. But our holiday is not until next Monday.

ElendilTheTall

Labour Day?

Cindy

Yes.

ElendilTheTall

5:50 PM

Sorry. Labor Day

Cindy

Labour works.

@ElendilTheTall Did you get Faheem straight about pictures?

ElendilTheTall

I can't help reading labor as 'lay-bore'. It sounds like one's Slavic manservant. 'Labor! Bring my fowling piece!'

@cindy as much as one can set Faheem straight about anything :)

Cindy

@ElendilTheTall Perhaps you should convey your ideas more clearly. <snickers and runs>

ElendilTheTall

I'll convey an idea clearly in your direction in a minute, woman!

Cindy

Haha!

@ElendilTheTall I like the bread recipe you posted. I want to try it.

ElendilTheTall

5:58 PM

@Cindy do, it's excellent. Then buy The Bread Baker's Apprentice whence it comes.

@Stephie i usually ferment my focaccia for 3 days. It really makes a difference.

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall, thaks for the new "word of the day"!

And with bread: Yes, time matters :)

Cindy

@Stephie What is the word?

Stephie

@Cindy fowling piece

ElendilTheTall

@Stephie haven't you read Robinson Crusoe?!

Cindy

6:14 PM

@Stephie Oh, okay. I hadn't realized that it is the word of the day.

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall Of course I have! When I was nine years old or so and obviously in German. ;-)

ElendilTheTall

Tut. Tut I say!

Stephie

@Cindy @ElendilTheTall almost always uses one word I have to look up and it becomes my personal word of the day. So far we had polymath and curmudgeon and a few others I can't remember atm.

(I could say I come here to learn from him, but it probably wouldn't be good for him...^_^)

ElendilTheTall

I imagine the German for 'fowling piece' is something like Vogeltötenlangeknallwaffe

Stephie

@ElendilTheTall Vogelflinte, but nice try!

ElendilTheTall

6:23 PM

@cindy I'm glad I can enlighten you. Though now of course the pressure is on to pull out all the sesquipedalian stops

Let's hope I don't expire from pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

Lol, auto correct just stroked out

Cindy

@ElendilTheTall I wonder why. ;)

Stephie

@Cindy because with a teething baby he has no time for a proper dusting...!

Cindy

@Stephie I was referring to his autocorrect, not the disease. He probably gives it nightmares. ;)

ElendilTheTall

Every so often it just starts spitting out 'ihateyouihateyouihateyou'

Cindy

Haha!

Stephie

6:31 PM

@Cindy Isn't autocorrect a disease on his on? Lol..

Anubian Noob

o/

Stephie

So, @Cindy, with the delayed interview, what are you up to these days? Besides preparing your CV, obviously.

Cindy

Just got the e-mail for the 3rd interview. 7:30 am tomorrow.

Stephie

@Cindy Yay! Good luck!

Cindy

Thanks!

Anubian Noob

6:36 PM

whoo go Cindy!

Cindy

@Stephie I've been working on rearranging rooms in the house. Just got started yesterday on moving my office to the front of the house.

@AnubianNoob hi son!

Anubian Noob

Hi Mom!

Stephie

@Cindy Because you got restless, because you love renovating or just because it's the nicer place for an office?

Cindy

@Stephie It's a much better place. I've always disliked the office in the rear of the house. It feels isolated. This will be much more comfortable.

And it does seem to be the right time. :)

Stephie

@Cindy What had to go? Law of physics - not two objects can be in the same place at the same.

Anubian Noob

6:43 PM

@Cindy How did you move your office?

Cindy

@Stephie Dining room. Not sure yet if I am going to move it or let it go. We really don't use it.

@AnubianNoob I'm just switching rooms around. It's my home office. A must have when you are field-based.

Anubian Noob

Gotcha replacing your dining room

I had the image of some giant being picking up rooms like legos haha

Cindy

Haha.

Although that would be much easier! :)

My desk is super heavy. Two of us can't move it without taking it apart!

Anubian Noob

That means it's probably a good desk?

ElendilTheTall

It doubles as a fort in case of home invasion

Cindy

6:57 PM

@ElendilTheTall It would probably handle it!

@AnubianNoob It's nice, as far as desks go.

Hi @Arrowfar.

user116848

Hi @Cindy.

user116848

And all!

Anubian Noob

o/

Cindy

Well, it's nice to see everyone, but I must go for now. Keep fingers crossed! :)

Anubian Noob

@Cindy This makes it rather hard to type...

It's actually not that bad

Pretty fun actually

weird looks from coworkers though

Cindy

7:08 PM

@AnubianNoob Haha. Be good and don't forget to drink your juice. ;)

Anubian Noob

Ok I'm done

@Cindy If it didn't cost me a kidney

(only metaphorically, it's probably saving my kidneys literally)

Cindy

@AnubianNoob Just giving good motherly advice. :)

Anubian Noob

> It's unbelievable to me that Whole Foods created a whole brand on overcharging for groceries.

ElendilTheTall

7:21 PM

@cindy bye, good luck!

Faheem Mitha

9:36 PM

@Cindy Terrible time for an interview.

Civilized folks are asleep at that time.

Faheem Mitha

9:49 PM

Up in the middle of the night net shopping, again. Sigh. Anyone got a recommendation for a DVD player?

I've been meaning to get one of those Raspberry Pie thingys for playing multimedia. Anyone got one of those?

@Jolenealaska does your gumbo use meat or shellfish?

@Stephie Technically, that is "words".

Anubian Noob

10:25 PM

Don't get an rpi for media

Faheem Mitha

10:37 PM

@AnubianNoob No? Why not?

Anubian Noob

It'd be a pain in the ass to setup

What exactly do you want to do on it?

Faheem Mitha

@AnubianNoob Play video files, I guess.

Anubian Noob

What's the whole workflow you're envisioning?

Download on laptop, transfer to rpi connected to tv?

Faheem Mitha

@AnubianNoob Well, I mostly use my workstation. But yes, transfer from workstation to rpi, I suppose. Possibly using wifi.

Jolenealaska

50 mins ago, by Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska does your gumbo use meat or shellfish?

Anubian Noob

10:48 PM

I think he's differentiating between seafood and landmeat.

Jolenealaska

@FaheemMitha My standard contains chicken, reindeer sausage, shrimp, and okra.

I am making one without shrimp or any seafood allergens, and another without okra.

Faheem Mitha

11:08 PM

@Jolenealaska I somehow got the impression gumbo included things like mussel/clams.

@Jolenealaska seafood allergens? Is that common?

I like okra. Here we call it ladies fingers.

'bhendi' in Hindi.

Jolenealaska

@FaheemMitha They can. Yes, a lot of people are allergic to shrimp.

Faheem Mitha

WP thinks it transliterates as 'bhindi'.

@Jolenealaska Oh. I've got lots of allergies. But not much by way of food allergies. Though a doctor advised me to cut back on milk products, so I have.

I see you are slightly more than 12 hours behind me. It's coming up to 5 am here.

13 1/2 it looks like.

Standard time GMT -9. Daylight saving -8. India is always 5 1/2.

Jolenealaska

it's 315pm here.

Faheem Mitha

So currently on daylight saving, probably.

Hmm, March to November, daylight savings.

1st September here. How time flies.

@Jolenealaska That's actual reindeer meat?

Jolenealaska

yes. Reindeer are just domesticated Caribou, and we have a lot of them. Reindeer sausage is very traditional here, so it's a little play on Cajun cuisine and Alaskan cuisine.

Faheem Mitha

11:27 PM

@Jolenealaska Oh. Apparently reindeer aren't sacred then. :-)

Jolenealaska

11:53 PM

only to kids.

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