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5:22 AM
@ElendilTheTall C'est normal
 
 
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7:34 AM
@jolenealaska wild caribou are called reindeer everywhere outside North America :)
 
So, Dear Tall, what makes a photo taken by a restaurant owner different from a photo taken at home, when both are cooking creation of someone who liked the end result?
And, question of the day: Have you ever been to Belgium? Please share your experience since I will be there in 40 days or so
 
8:01 AM
@Gigili No, sorry. Or at least not long enough for a qualified answer.
@FaheemMitha Technically what? Sorry, don't get it...
I am sitting in the dullest doctor's office ever - I had the choice between a) discussing various ailments with very senior citizens, b) reading magazines that were printed probably a decade ago or c) chewing my fingenails. Now they have moved me in an examination room. Anyone here? Please?
 
9:02 AM
@Stephie You described "fowling piece" as "word of the day". But it's two words, so that should be "words of the day". :-)
@Stephie You should really take something with you when you go to those places. I usually carry a novel. Sometimes I take some work with me.
I actually tend to do much of my reading in doctor's offices.
 
 
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10:57 AM
@Gigili a restaurant owner is taking photos of his food probably to promote his restaurant. That's fine. People who take photos of the restaurant food they are about to eat are just bragging - "Look at me, I can eat food!" No one cares. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
@FaheemMitha I second @AnubianNoob - don't get an Rpi for use as a media station. It doesn't have the oomph and as Noob said, it's a PITA to set up just for that.
Get a cheap laptop, 1Tb of NAS, and XBMC and you'll be much better off
 
@ElendilTheTall Ok, thanks for the recommendation. What is NAS here?
 
Network Attached Storage
a hard drive with a network interface basically
 
I wonder, can one connect a laptop to a tv display?
@ElendilTheTall Yes, I see. Thanks.
 
if the laptop has the relevant output port, yes
many do
 
That TV has a HDMI connection, if that helps/is relevant.
 
11:07 AM
well, it depends what the laptop has
 
@ElendilTheTall Fair enough.
 
as long as it has some kind of video output, you can almost certainly get an adapter to HDMI
 
Ok.
@ElendilTheTall So, do you have a similar setup? With a laptop?
 
No, I have Netflix and the various on-demand TV services. I don't download anything.
 
@ElendilTheTall Yes, I see. That's handy, agreed. Unfortunately we don't have such stuff here. As far as I know.
I used Netflix streaming for a little while once. It worked quite well. There was a little gadget which you could use with your TV. A sort of mini-player.
 
11:15 AM
Yes. I use Chromecast
Very handy
 
@ElendilTheTall Once they do it and get lots and lots of feedback, then they continue doing it in their lifetime
 
Interestingly, they could say the very same thing about the other category, "look at me, I can cook" no one cares
@ElendilTheTall No oks in this chat
 
ok
Where are you going in Belgium?
 
to ok
Bruges and Brussels
 
11:26 AM
Bruges is gorgeous, I've never been to Brussels but I hear it's a fairly standard issue European city
Bruges is like stepping back in time
 
The inspiration was the movie In Bruges
2 days in Brussels, 6 days in Bruges
 
Ah. Well, hopefully you won't encounter too many Irish gangsters or inanimate fucking objects
 
But I think 6 days is more than enough for a small city like Bruges
 
In Bruges, you must try (amongst all the other chocolate and sweets), cuberdons
@Gigili yes, that's plenty of time for a leisurely trip.
You should meet up with @mien, she lives down in the road in Ghent!
 
I wish we could visit London too, but plane tickets are quite expensive
@ElendilTheTall Ah, Ghent is the closest city to Bruges. Lucky her!
@ElendilTheTall Wow! What kind of candy is that?
Looks more like ice cream
 
11:32 AM
it's more like a jelly with a sugary crust
difficult to describe the 'shell' - it's firm, not crisp.
this is a close up - they are about 2.5cm tall
@Gigili I'm getting about 27 euros each way from Brussels to London...
doesn't get much cheaper than that!
 
@ElendilTheTall Added to the list. Belgian waffles are also quite popular
@ElendilTheTall Easyjet?
 
@Gigili yeah
 
We have something that looks similar, a bit bigger than a candy but not as big as ice cream
Eskamo, which basically is cornus mas puree + salt
 
@ElendilTheTall It appears that Chromecast is available in India. See google.co.in/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromecast/index.html
 
@Gigili very interesting. I've never had cornus mas salted, always eaten it sweetened
 
11:46 AM
But I don't know if it is actually of any use here. It needs the services.
 
I like cornus (cornell cherries is the common name in English, I think), I wish it was more available here
 
@FaheemMitha yes
@Gigili looks a little like the Indian kulfi
 
@ElendilTheTall Ambiguity Police.
Hi @rumtscho. How are you? Haven't seen you here much lately.
 
@FaheemMitha yes, it needs the services.
I mainly use it for Netflix
and Youtube
 
@FaheemMitha I'm well, thanks. Trying to get more stuff done, sometimes managing it (so stuck working most of the time), sometimes not, so stuck procrastinating most of the time
had a very successful weekend, finally finished one major stage of my research
but worked impossible hours to get it done
 
11:50 AM
@ElendilTheTall Right. And I don't know if there are any services to use with it. I suppose Youtube would be a lot better than nothing. There is a lot of stuff on Youtube these days. Including tons of stuff that is obviously in violation of copyright.
@rumtscho impossible hours suck. :-(
 
@rumtscho Oh hello! not the fruit itself, boiled in water and salt/sugar will be added at the end if desired then goes into freezer for a few hours.. kinda like fruity Popsicles
 
@FaheemMitha weren't you previously talking about playing downloaded movies through an Rpi?
 
well, I was in a compulsive state, so it didn't feel unpleasant doing it
 
@rumtscho Glad to hear you're Ok. I guess you've been too busy to hang out here. Listening to what @ElendilTheTall calls "our inane prattle".
 
@Gigili what is the flavour like? Is it very cherry-like?
 
11:51 AM
@ElendilTheTall I was, yes.
 
but of course lots of other stuff got out of hand. A mess in my flat, too little sleep, other tasks not getting done, etc.
 
I love that cherry/almond/benzaldehyde flavour
 
Overworking isn't sustainable. I find it better to work in a slow steady fashion.
@ElendilTheTall yum.
 
@Gigili yes, that's what I thought. I didn't think of the boiling step, but if you'd only showed me the picture and said cornell cherry, I'd have thought it's mixed with sugar, like a sorbet. Not salted.
@ElendilTheTall it's not cherrylike at all
the fruit has an astringent taste, and no cherry/almond flavor
 
bah
but I like sour things as well
 
11:53 AM
@rumtscho Do you get decent advisor support? Or not?
 
it's not even related to the cherries, plums and other fruits of this family. It's just small and red, so people tend to call it "cherry".
@FaheemMitha decent in some ways, not in others
 
@rumtscho Some like it with sugar, some with salt, some with noone
 
@rumtscho Hmm
 
@rumtscho I see
 
Sour things are much better than sweet things
 
11:55 AM
my prof is a genuinely nice person and wants me to succeed. Also, she pays attention to her doctoral students, unlike some profs who don't give a damn. And she has lots of domain knowledge.
The problem is that she can't really help me with planning
 
@rumtscho planning what?
 
when I talk about ideas with her and ask her "should I try to do it this way", she says she doesn't know. She needs to see the result to say if it's OK or not
 
@Gigili here we have a hard candy called Rhubarb 'n' Custard. One half is sour and rhubarb flavoured, the other is sweet and vanilla flavoured. They are fantastic
 
and also requires results much earlier than I can create them
 
11:56 AM
@rumtscho I see. Well, it's certainly helpful if they have some idea of which direction to go in.
 
so, in the end, I have no idea what I'm doing
for years, I tried different things aimlessly, only to present them to her and hear that they are not good enough
 
In some areas, e.g. math, you'd expect a competent advisor to have at least some idea what direction to go. But I don't know about your area.
@rumtscho That sounds sucky. Unfortunately, research is rather like that much of the time. If you can survive it, it's quite character-building.
 
finally, I'm at a point where I know myself how to make a decent thesis, so I am creating myself results which are OK
 
I mean, you learn to take punishment. And in life, that is a useful lesson to learn. And academia is not a bad place in which to learn it. For one thing, it's a controlled, relatively safe environment.
 
@ElendilTheTall Have you not eaten Cornelian cherry?
 
11:58 AM
but back when I was green and lost, she somehow couldn't help me get unlost.
@FaheemMitha very good point
 
@rumtscho I think that's how this plays out a lot of the time. I think a good advisor would help you get to that stage more quickly.
 
@Gigili I have never heard of it until you mentioned it just now
 
@rumtscho Does not sound like an especially good adviser. But they come far worse.
 
@ElendilTheTall what! I'm sure I must have waxed poetic about it here in chat every now and then
 
@ElendilTheTall Now I want some candy and a gun that shoots
 
12:00 PM
@rumtscho are there people in your group that have had a better/easier time of it?
 
@rumtscho not to my knowledge
@Gigili both should be easily obtainable in the markets of your homeland, no? ;)
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, but not all. I don't know why it was easier for them, maybe they had a better vision from the beginning.
But most feel the way I do
 
@rumtscho Yes, maybe.
 
I also have the problem of being a "complicated" person
 
A lot of this, like everything else, is sheer blind chance. Life is very stochastic.
@rumtscho Do tell. :-)
 
12:02 PM
that is, if you present me with a problem, I can normally think of a solution where many other people would just give up
 
@ElendilTheTall Not the kind of candy you described above, and no we cant buy a gun
 
@rumtscho Ok.
 
but that solution generally turns out to be many times more complicated than the one usually taken in such situations
 
Not every country is like GB
 
I don't know why. Maybe I'm just not lazy enough
 
12:03 PM
Count your blessings
 
but I really devise overly complicated solutions and try to see them through, which costs me tons of time
 
@Gigili you think it's easy to buy a gun in Britain?
 
@rumtscho In research, I think, one needs to think first about whether the question you are trying to solve/address is worth solving/addressing.
This is easy to forget.
 
Recent example: at work, I wanted to deliver a chapter for a publication we will be writing.
We want to make a publication announcing our new database to the world.
 
And it's good to keep things simple if you can. Though in my experience that is quite hard. Often complicated approaches are what come to mind first.
 
12:04 PM
So we chose the journal to publish it in, it specifically mentions that it takes such announcements
 
and because I've never written this type of paper before, and wanted to do it right, I started looking through all back issues of the journal for examples of such announcements
and I wasn't done by the time I went on vacation
when I came back, my colleague had looked into it, and had just pulled 3 random such announcements from different biological journals
 
@ElendilTheTall I have no idea, but I guess it might be easier than getting one in my country
 
so basically, he had achieved the same goal in a fraction of the time. It wasn't from the same journal we are going to publish in, but only after seeing his solution did I realize that this detail doesn't matter.
 
@Gigili well, I likewise have no idea about that end, but here it is pretty tricky, so I understand
it is at least expensive
 
12:07 PM
@rumtscho Yes, I tend to suffer from aspects of the same syndrome. I think this is sometimes called "perfectionism".
 
the only widely available guns are shotguns for hunting, and you need to be licensed to own one
 
Most of the time, in most of the world, doing things well doesn't matter. Though in academia they care about it more than in most places.
 
@FaheemMitha it's not even perfectionism. I have that too, and I've been combating it for some time.
 
The idea is to get it done adequately and move on. At long as nobody gets killed, that's success.
 
In this case, my colleague's solution is good enough for my sense of perfectionism.
it's just that I hadn't thought of doing it.
 
12:08 PM
@rumtscho If you saw me writing emails, and saw what kind of replies I get back, you'd laugh.
 
I usually think of ways to solve something, the first thing that comes to mind is the brute force solution, and then I sit down and start doing it
 
@rumtscho Oh. Too thorough?
 
@ElendilTheTall Don't you know what the cheapest way to travel to London is?
 
others who contemplate the same solution seem to think "that's way too complicated/too much work, no way I'm doing that, let's think of an alternative"
 
@rumtscho If you have colleagues you can talk to, maybe ask them first then?
 
12:09 PM
From Bruges
 
@FaheemMitha good idea
 
Plane, train, bus? walk
 
@Gigili from Brussels? Why would I?
 
@rumtscho Laziness is not a bad quality, up to a point. Life is finite.
 
I would imagine flying is the cheapest way
 
12:10 PM
that's what I've been trying to ask my supervisor, but the problem with her is that she can tell me when something is complicated, but can't come up with an alternative suggestion. I can't either. So I'm left with the complicated one anyway.
 
I ask people stuff all the time. Much of the time, it's wasted effort. If you have good resources, use them.
 
@ElendilTheTall To help one of your best friends, I guess?
 
@rumtscho Try and work with your colleagues. Other students, post-docs?
 
@Gigili I'm afraid I can't just know things on demand regardless of how good the friend is
 
I've not had a lot of success with this myself, but it's worth trying.
 
12:11 PM
@FaheemMitha In the dissertation, that's impossible. I'm the only person in our department who works on that stuff. Others have a very vague idea of my topic.
Maybe I should do it more frequently on the job.
 
@rumtscho Oh. What about people outside the dept?
 
@FaheemMitha I know nobody who is working in that area.
 
@ElendilTheTall That's sad... I counted on you
Joking aside, I guess @mien will be of great help
 
When I was at Duke, I had a colleague (another post-doc) who wound up collaborating with another people from somewhere else entirely. That other person wrote to him, so he said. It's possible that event saved his career. Like lots of us, his prospects were not in good shape, and he had no help inside his/our group.
@rumtscho Oh, that's too bad. Is is practical to try to find/contact such people?
<Net connection being crappy here, sorry.>
 
@FaheemMitha I've never thought of that. Right now, I can't think of how I would do that.
 
12:16 PM
@Gigili well, your choices are either flying (almost certainly cheapest), getting the Eurostar from Brussels, or going as a foot passenger on a ferry from Zeebrugge, then getting a train to London
Anything involving trains in the UK costs an arm and leg though. So flying is definitely the way to go.
 
@FaheemMitha if it were about your own project, where would you start looking for such people?
 
@ElendilTheTall Do you live in London? Is it worth a day trip?
 
@Gigili No comment, and a day is probably not long enough
I would do a day in Brussels, 3 in Bruges and 3 in London
 
Hey guys! Just finished the 3rd interview! :)
 
(Actually I wouldn't go to Brussels at all, but y'know)
@Cindy hey hey hey!
come on, don't keep us on tenterhooks!
 
12:22 PM
It went very well. From what the interviewer said, I think I have the best qualifications of all of the candidates. So I get to have a 4th interview and a decision will be made either by the end of this week or next, at the latest.
 
@ElendilTheTall OK thanks
 
christ on a crutch, how many interviews can they need?!
you're applying for a corporate job, right? you're not going to be part of the President's close protection detail, or in charge of nuclear launch codes?
4 interviews. talk about HR justifying their jobs!
 
Does seem like a lot. But if I get it, it will have been worth it. And believe it or not, I haven't even spoken to a recruiter or HR person.
 
will the 4th one be another phone interview?
 
Skype or FaceTime.
I will have to get all gussied up.
 
12:30 PM
I'm sure we could work out some kind of green screening to make it look like you're calling from your villa in the US Virgin Islands
You want to project an air of "I don't even need this job, bitches", right?
 
Lol. Not exactly. ;)
 
@Cindy congratulations for coming so far! I haven't been around much, so I don't know the details. What job is it?
 
@rumtscho Thanks! It's a district manager position. Large district and many direct reports.
 
what's the product?
 
@rumtscho Good question. I guess write to people who have published similar work, to start with? Send your work to them, ask them if they are interested in talking.
 
12:35 PM
Not specific products but overall HBA, OTC, and home health care categories.
 
I must admit I've had little success myself in getting people out there to talk to me.
 
@Cindy oh no... you're already slipping into acronym-speak
 
Let alone work with me. Academics are busy people - usually concerned mostly with what they are doing. But it doesn't hurt to try.
 
OTC = over the counter?
 
@ElendilTheTall I agree. 4 seems like a lot. As I already commented earlier.
@Cindy Is that standard in your area?
 
12:37 PM
@ElendilTheTall Yes. Like Tylenol, bandages, eye care, etc.
 
@rumtscho Anyway, off to the gym. Talk to you later, hopefully.
@rumtscho Bear in mind, if there are people out there working in areas sufficiently similar to yours, they are probably desperate for people to talk to / get help from as well. The trick is to find the right people.
 
@FaheemMitha For this company and others, 3 would be standard. But in this case one of the Sr. Managers will be leaving the company in a while, so that created an additional interview with her successor.
 
so when's the 4th one?
 
Don't know yet. I will probably hear something later today.
 
how am I expected to sleep?!
 
12:43 PM
With your fingers crossed. ;)
 
arthritis is already setting in...
how could it not after crossing fingers for four goddamn interviews
just get the job already, jeez
;)
 
@ElendilTheTall I will just do that! ;)
 
I don't know why it hasn't occurred to you before tbh
 
Hey - I tried to get them to let me start already. In jest, of course. But I went there.
 
You don't ask, you don't get :)
 
12:50 PM
So true. First rule of sales - ask for what you want!
 
Though it would have been nice if you had got the Citizen gig. A nice new chronograph or two would have gone a long way to assuage my arthritic pain ;)
 
Yes, I know. ;) And the job is still open. :(
 
Tut. We didn't want their stupid job anyway. Seiko are much better watches!
@wouter you realise this is a food and cooking chat room, right?
 
okay
lol
 
@Cindy I see.
I guess @rumtscho has left for the moment. Well, I'm off to the gym. Later, everyone.
 
12:56 PM
bye
don't forget to curl in the pinky
 
@ElendilTheTall What?
 
@FaheemMitha You didn't leave earlier?
 
when you do curls, you should bring your smallest finger right round
ie, make sure the dumb bell achieves the correct position
 
Hi @Jay.
 
Jay
Dumb bells: Gullible southern girls
 
12:59 PM
Hi @jay
that would be belles
 
Jay
Morning
@ElendilTheTall yes but there is a lot of room when playing redefinition
 

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