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12:21 AM
@Jolenealaska Hmm does the menopause normally entail decreased interest in romance/sex?
 
@Cerberus Yep, at least temporarily.
 
 
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2:20 AM
@Jolenealaska I didn't know that.
Do you have hot flashes yet?
 
3:10 AM
Hi
Anyone here?
 
3:23 AM
Never mind. Good morning all
 
 
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5:06 AM
@JudeNiroshan Sorry I miissed you
@Cerberus In retrospect, maybe. I think so. They're pretty minor unless my environment is way too hot.
 
5:23 AM
It's fine
 
How are you?
 
 
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7:00 AM
Morning all
 
Hi Sweetie.
 
7:31 AM
Good God Almighty. It's been a week of self-discovery. I can't wait for you to show up, because I have a lot to say. I know that you know that I know that you know that I love being center stage, so I trust you to just be amused by that intro.
Show up dammit! You're killing me. :-)
 
7:51 AM
<waves frantically @Jolenealaska>
 
Get coffee.
 
@Jolenealaska ???
I have coffee right in front of me - a venti pumpkin spice latte from a well-known coffee-chain.
 
Gross
 
Are we a bit cranky today?
Overtired?
 
They ruin coffee this time of year.
 
7:57 AM
Meh, it's a mini-celebration and a liquid cure for wanderlust.
That's the only place outside my kitchen where I can get something remotely "pumpkinspice-y".
 
that would be my problem with it
yuck
 
The combination or an individual spice in the mix?
 
I don't like pumpkin and I don't like pumpkin spice except when it spices apples but that is entirely different.
 
My kids would sooooo agree with you.
 
I was in a hurry to be elsewhere early in the morning not long ago.
 
8:00 AM
Why do I sense a story coming up?
 
So I did something I don't ever do, I bought a cappuccino at a convenience store.
I was able to recycle that great line from the hospital - homeopathic coffee.
 
So far so (questionably) good...
 
Except, yet again nobody got it.
 
Brains are a scant resource, I'm afraid.
 
that is not the story.
Although, I do have a new perspective on just how scant brains are.
 
8:04 AM
alright, I'm here
and I have shitty instant coffee
 
please just tell me that it's not pumpkin spiced
 
no
i don't do pumpskin spices either
 
on that note, I did give a lesson in mixing one's own artificial sweetener and making coffee concentrate to one of the nurses at the hospital.
 
Oh, great. I just outed myself as culinary imbecile, I suppose... ;-)
 
but that again is not the story de jour.
(that either :)
 
8:08 AM
@Stephie we already knew ;)
 
I alluded to it a bit a few days ago but I don't know how much you caught.
LOL... Hi Stephie, my bad. I was actually responding to Tall, thinking your line was his.
 
@Jolenealaska I had read your comment like this - but aparently I'm the only one who likes the stuff. (in the right context, that is)
 
@ElendilTheTall (and of course Stephie too). My mom (my real mother, not the narcissistic bitch from hell) was far more loony than I had ever given her credit for.
In a way, my whole early childhood is a delusion.
 
Everything I thought I knew about her and about us is a figment of her imagination.
My brother Kevin is too young to remember, my grandmother and mother are dead, my dad was in a very real sense not there, that leaves my aunt Kristy and ancestry.com.
My aunt Kristi and ancestry.com match.
 
8:21 AM
ok
 
I've always known that my mother was a loon, but now I know that she was actually delusional.
 
<still fidgeting here>
 
@Stephie that'll be the pumpkin spices
 
it opens up a lot of avenues of inquiry
 
@ElendilTheTall Nooooo! Neither spice nor caffeine - my morning meeting!
 
8:25 AM
I'm going to have to bite the bullet and contact another aunt, my mom's sister Vicky.
I don't know her at all, I know my mom's perception of her. Obviously, that perception is not to be trusted.
 
Go for it.
 
I will. It may not be tomorrow or the next day, but it will be soon.
 
Hi @Stephie. So, I have a picture of something that might be an oven pan.
 
@FaheemMitha yes? picture please?
 
8:29 AM
@Jolenealaska hmm, well that's interesting. a pseudo-stranger
 
This seems a bit shallow. Would it suffice for putting water in, for example? Then again, I don't know how much water needs to be put.
 
@FaheemMitha looks like a grill pan
is this just for steaming the oven?
 
@ElendilTheTall So that's a no then.
 
it is a pan that will go in the oven
if it's just for steaming the oven, it will be fine
 
@ElendilTheTall In that recipe you linked to earlier, this pan sits at the top and you put water in it. For the bread.
Is that called "steaming the oven"?
 
8:30 AM
it is now
though it would probably be better at the bottom
 
@ElendilTheTall The recipe says to put it at the top.
But it seems rather shallow for water. How deep should the water be?
 
@FaheemMitha And we agreed that it had "room for improvenemt".
 
@Stephie Well, I wouldn't know. I'm always intimidated by authority.
So, do we put water in it, then?
Or get something else?
 
yes
it's fine
 
@ElendilTheTall ok
 
8:32 AM
You don't need much - you need to fill the oven with steam for about the first ten minutes, then you open the door to let the steam escape and remove it.
 
@Stephie Remove the pan? That could be tricky.
 
See why you use only little water?
 
Hot water in a shallow pan.
@Stephie Yes, I see. I don't even know if my cook has gloves.
 
And @ElendilTheTall is right, I'd put it on the bottom, too.
 
@Stephie Ok.
 
8:33 AM
@FaheemMitha Pffft, what kind of employer are you?
 
@Stephie Well, technically he doesn't work for me.
 
@FaheemMitha, I take it you are a kind of "math geek"?
Then baking "the right way" would be something for you.
 
@Stephie Well, I hate that word. But I do have two math degrees. It's useless to deny that.
 
keyword here: baker's percentages
 
I mean, I could pretend to be a rock musician, but I would probably not fool anyone.
 
8:35 AM
@FaheemMitha No offense - Glass house and all that.
 
@Stephie What, you call yourself a math geek too?
It's a bit odd to see ones kitchen tiles on Stack Exchange.
And yes, Indians love patterns. I didn't really notice till it was pointed out to me.
 
i am trying to learn how to solve Rubik's Cube
 
@ElendilTheTall Why?
 
@FaheemMitha why not?
 
Ok, so summary. Put tray at bottom. Fill with a little bit of water, so steam for 10 min. Like a mm or two in height, then?
 
8:38 AM
Not with the degrees, but certainly not math-averse.
 
@ElendilTheTall It's kind of a waste of time. And so 80s.
It's actually not a bad way to learn group theory, but I'm guessing that's not your aim.
 
@FaheemMitha why is it a waste of time? I would have thought you'd be all for exercising one's mental faculties
 
I actually know more math than most Math PhDs, I imagine. Though I don't have a Math PhD.
@ElendilTheTall Ah, but you're not, I don't think. It's just a mechanical thing.
 
@FaheemMitha could've fooled me
 
@FaheemMitha Put tray at bottom, heat well, together with the oven. Boil water separately. Put bread in oven. Pour a cup or two of hot water into the pan, close door quickly.
 
8:40 AM
If you were using it to learn group theory, that's a different matter.
 
@Stephie I also use a sprayer to hit the sides of the oven with water. gives a good burst of steam
 
@Stephie Boil water separately? Ok. And put the water in how soon after the bread?
 
@FaheemMitha And I am trying to understand how somebody who can speak English as well as you (as I have said before, like you're home grown), can be stymied by something like baker's percentages. Have you not picked up on the fact that we're all a little smart here?
 
@FaheemMitha But I like these tiles, honestly!
 
@Stephie Glad to hear it. But I can't take credit. Those tiles were there before I was born.
@Jolenealaska Um, you've lost me. I was stymied by what again?
 
8:42 AM
every goddamn thing
 
@FaheemMitha virtually "together" with the bread. I do a "open door - put in bread - pour water - close door" routine.
 
@Jolenealaska Technically, English originated in a god forsaken place called the British Isles.
@Stephie Excellent. Got it.
 
yes, I have no trouble understanding Tall, or all of the other people here.
 
Gosh, I feel like I'm in school again.
 
Why?
 
8:43 AM
@Stephie People telling me stuff.
 
Then help me understand it!
 
@Jolenealaska even I'm confused now
 
@Jolenealaska Sorry, were you talking to me?
 
@FaheemMitha Stepping out of one's comfort zone - actually a good move. Keeps us humble and mentally flexible.
 
@Stephie Agreed.
 
8:44 AM
@Stephie felexible - that extra syllable makes it sound dirty
 
@ElendilTheTall Can't type, but otherwise I'm good with my hands ;-)
 
Humility is a good human trait. I've personally never been very good at it.
 
@Stephie ok, that is just straight-up dirty
;)
 
Well, up to a point. You need to stand up for yourself, otherwise you get pushed around.
It's all about selective application.
And is that thing called an oven pan then? Or is that just a generic label?
 
now would be a good time to unselect
 
8:46 AM
I've never heard of 'oven pan'
 
@ElendilTheTall I think you're reading too much into that sentence.
@ElendilTheTall I thought that is what the recipe called it. One sec.
 
@FaheemMitha Or too little.
 
but basically one can call any metallic vessel that will not be damaged by being in the oven an oven pan
@FaheemMitha i think you're not reading into it enough
 
@ElendilTheTall If you say so.
 
<snort>
 
8:48 AM
@FaheemMitha normally pans are differentiated by their use - roasting pan, baking tray, baking sheet etc
 
@Stephie sometimes you two sound like you were separated at birth.
Where was that recipe link again?
 
@Jolenealaska y'hear that? competition!
 
Yes, epaperpress.com/recipes/bread.html uses the term "oven pan".
 
well, my definition above stands regardless
 
Under equipment, third item.
 
8:50 AM
@FaheemMitha, not that one again. I know it's from @ElendilTheTall, but IMHO has a few severe flaws. From terms to technique.
 
@ElendilTheTall So, if it is in the oven, and it is pan-link, it's an oven pan?
 
@Stephie it was just a the first recipe I found when googling 'reinhart pain a l'ancienne' ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
 
@Stephie Ok, let's have an alternative suggestion then.
 
@FaheemMitha basically
 
I'm not home, I can compile a few resources for you later.
 
8:51 AM
@Stephie you should withhold them until he promises to do it himself
not heap more work on his no-doubt long suffering and underpaid cook
 
I did something similar for my new baking crew, lots of essential stuff, including a video.
 
@ElendilTheTall Ah, and here I thought it was a tried and tested Elendil recipe. Straight from the ovens of Middle Earth. <illusions destroyed>
 
@FaheemMitha, I'm finding it difficult to understand the dichotomy of you unless you are intentionally trying to be insulting much of the time. You remind me of a guy who lived for a short time with my boyfriend at the time and myself. He was collecting disability from the Veterans Administration because he was left mostly deaf from something that went boom. He also liked the situation as it stood.
 
@Stephie new baking crew? Do tell.
@Jolenealaska I am trying to be insulting to you (or anyone else) 0% of the time.
 
'baking crew' sounds like some kind of street gang armed with rolling pins and scoring blades
 
8:52 AM
So I have no idea where you are getting this from.
But, if what I am saying bothers you. Please ignore me. Really.
 
@FaheemMitha no matter how quietly my boyfriend and I would discuss the issue, our "roommate" would hear every word.
 
@FaheemMitha Not much to tell. Was head of a team that baked very traditional bread for sale, benefiting our Kindergarten. And as this were only parents, some fluctuation was normal. After a while I was fed up with explaining everything again, so I started to collect the stuff. Will tap into that later.
 
something didn't mesh then, and it doesn't mesh now.
 
@Stephie Ok, thank you. I have no idea what recipes are good, of course. So I tend to treat whatever people treat me as gospel.
Which no doubt is bad, and greatly annoys me when people do it in other domains.
 
@ElendilTheTall I think that's how my successor felt when one of her helpers showed up an hour late and left almost two hours early last time.
 
8:55 AM
Computers/math/stat etc.
@Stephie That was a benefit sale? And (dumb question) but why did your Kindergarten need to be benefited?
 
This is why I suggest you familiarize yourself with the concept of baker's percantages and stuff. Baking is half math, half meditation.
@FaheemMitha Private kindergarten, we need to finance it at least partly ourselves. Not one sale, but typically six to eight events per year. Over 1000 loaves in 2014.
 
@Stephie So what am I supposed to do with baker's percentages?
@Stephie I see. Sounds exhausting.
 
@FaheemMitha Bakers percentages give the ratio of other inredients with regard to flour. It gives you a pretty quick idea of what kind of dough you expect - wet or dry, lots of yeast or little... Let's you read a random recipe and understand (with experience) what's happening and whether it's any good.
 
@Stephie Oh, I see. You are referring to that recipe that you don't approve of?
 
@Stephie positively un-German!
 
9:03 AM
@FaheemMitha surely somebody with two or three or eight math degrees can understand the concept. After all, even some Americans can do it (even as "non-intellectual" as we are).
 
@FaheemMitha With the recipe I looked at the pictures and read the instruction - that's where my eyebrows went up.
 
I'm done being catty.
I apologize
 
@Stephie I see. The instructions and the pictures don't agree well, then?
Well, time for some experimentation, I guess.
 
@FaheemMitha I just thought that for you that might be a good start, percentages and such.
 
As long as the oven doesn't explode, we're good.
@Stephie Ok. Bear in mind that people can be intellectually lazy, especially in unfamiliar terrain.
 
9:05 AM
@FaheemMitha The instructions on how to shape, for example, don't agree with me at all and looking at the bottom of the bread, I see what I expected.
 
I suppose you're familiar with the well-known phenomenon of missing the obvious?
 
@FaheemMitha Not too lazy for "rule of three" I suppose?
 
@Stephie I see. Well, I look forward to updates. :-)
 
@FaheemMitha there seems to be something about you and the way you have been here that pushes my (admittedly weird) buttons.
 
@Stephie I could probably cope with that.
@Jolenealaska Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe you should adopt a policy of ignoring what I write.
 
9:07 AM
Ok, have to go - next date at the lab.
 
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to turn into someone who doesn't push your buttons.
@Stephie Thanks for the advice and assistance.
 
Oh, and I haven't told you yet: Will be working at this project in the next months:
 
@Jolenealaska ^_^
 
I move that this becomes the official Frying Pan mode of greeting
 
9:11 AM
nice
 
rock, paper, scissors, fuck you
 
I have a little story about that game.
 
of course you do ;)
 
Of course
 
forget a memoir, just do a story dictionary
'rock paper scissors, game of'
 
9:14 AM
funny you should say that....
I have been researching publishing on Amazon. I have yet to talk to a real person, but I am well-equipped for the conversation.
as I reach the point that most of the autobiography portion of the book is "on paper" (completely unedited), it is now changing on a daily (hourly?) basis.
Just as I'm coming to terms with that, I'm coming to terms with the fact that the very origin of my story is not what I have always thought it was.
 
@Stephie I forget if you said, but what do you do again?
 
most of what I remember from my childhood is wrong
 
And you might have said, and I just forgot.
 
@ElendilTheTall so, I'm scrapping all previous ideas about how to throw it all together except for one. I want to take obscene advantage of self-publishing in a digital format.
 
@FaheemMitha I'm in the last stages of finishing my masters degree. Computer science, that is.
 
9:27 AM
@Stephie I sort of got the impression you had a full time job too. If that is true, color me extremely impressed.
Or maybe you are on break from the job to study?
 
Bu I only stud part-time. I have two kids and all that.
 
heeheee
 
@FaheemMitha Jup. My job is currently <searching for term> "suspended". Per special agreement with my employer.
 
@Stephie Then your job is CS related?
 
9:29 AM
@Jolenealaska heeheehee
 
@FaheemMitha Software in the automotive field. Mostly ultrasound and video sensor data and what you can do with them. Safety functions.
 
@Jolenealaska (we have a combined mental age of about 16)
 
@Stephie I see. So programming then? Or more high level?
 
@ElendilTheTall timing like that is almost enough to make me believe in intelligent design.
 
Data management, perhaps? Databases, stuff like that?
 
9:31 AM
@ElendilTheTall if that.
 
@Jolenealaska yeah, I was overestimating yours out of politeness
burn!
 
I watched two full hours of South Park today.
 
@FaheemMitha Both. Doing my masters degree a) because I want to and b) go on a more abstract level. Move away from the HW, do more algorithm development. Did that before, but want to expand that.
 
I hear software is increasingly important to cars.
@Stephie I see. Sounds like a good idea.
 
@FaheemMitha especially Volkswagen Group cars :D
 
9:33 AM
@FaheemMitha You bet! If in doubt, check the recent Volkswagen affair.
 
Does the area have good scope then?
 
@FaheemMitha ???
 
Career-wise, that is.
@Stephie The "Software in the automotive field" area. Are the career prospects good?
 
@FaheemMitha a prime example. If you were going for a subtext, it was not subtle. If you weren't going for a subtext, I find myself wondering WTF?
 
@Jolenealaska A prime example of what? And what "subtext"?
 
9:36 AM
In my area 1 in 4 jobs depend on automotive. Many car manufacturers are close by and so are suppliers. And yes, you can make a career in it. Hubby does and before the kids I did, too.
 
Jesus. I'm just asking her about her career.
@Stephie Ah, Ok. to be clear, I didn't mean geographic area. I meant the area of "software in automotive".
 
@Jolenealaska I have to admit I too have no idea what you are getting at here
 
I guess you must be doing a lot of embedded stuff. ARM maybe. That seems to be a big growth area. Linux, mostly.
Do you use Linux much? Busybox, that kind of thing?
 
@ElendilTheTall some of it would be made pretty clear if I brought up transcripts; perhaps I will do that for my own perspective.
not for public use, only for my own
 
i'm struggling to come up with an ulterior motive Faheem might have for saying 'I hear software is increasingly important to cars'
sounds like he's making conversation to me ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh Mr Rubik is driving me mad
I can get the white side complete which is the basis for the rest
then the middle layer stymies me
 
9:44 AM
@ElendilTheTall that's how I read it, too. Besides, I can still choose not to answer.
 
@ElendilTheTall taken alone, that comment wouldn't have raised my eyebrows either. Or the one after that or the one after that for the one after that
 
@Jolenealaska ok, so in what massively long winded context does it raise eyebrows?
 
@ElendilTheTall Those many many hours every week that only @FaheemMitha and I are here, or only us and one or two others.
 
@Jolenealaska Sorry, not following you
what do you think Faheem's motives were for saying 'I hear software is increasingly important to cars'?
 
isolated, I don't think I would give that phrase a second thought. However, "I hear" in that context suggests a naivety I'm not buying.
It's very much like not "getting" typos.
 
9:56 AM
but what would be the point of his acting naive?
 
that is exactly what I'm wondering!
 
it's almost like he's not acting naive at all, but genuinely making conversation...
 
That's what I thought too, or at least I was trying to.
 
we all do it - it would sound arrogant to say 'Software is important for cars', especially to someone who works on car software
teaching granny to suck eggs, and all that
 
Oct 3 at 16:39, by ElendilTheTall
Some interestingly sweeping statements.
 
10:02 AM
...
 
@FaheemMitha yes, software is increasingly important. But whatever you do, you always need to keep safety and security issues in mind. ASIL being a big topic. You would be surprised how small the CPUs sometimes are. Coming from university and high-level programming I learned a lot about using single bits (not bytes!) and such. Linux is difficult, especially with the GNU stuff and such. But of course a topic.
 
@Stephie have you seen the doors on the Tesla Model X?
 
@ElendilTheTall Was at IAA last year, sat in it.
 
very clever stuff
 
10:17 AM
Hey guys!
 
Hey @Cindy!
 
@Cindy hey there... laptop?
 
@ElendilTheTall Not.
Things a little tense in the Frying Pan?
 
Just some confused discussion methinks
 
@Stephie Yes, I see.
 
10:22 AM
@Cindy so still no sign of it? no communication from central command?
 
I feel crappy this morning. I wonder if it's from the flu shot I got yesterday. My arm is really sore. They told me it would be but I didn't believe it because it normally doesn't bother me.
@ElendilTheTall Nope. And no response yet to e-mail.
 
Weird
Phone call time?
 
@ElendilTheTall that's an understatement.
@ElendilTheTall Quite possibly.
 
Hi @Cindy. How are you?
 
@FaheemMitha Hello! Feeling a little under the weather. Read back a little.
 
10:26 AM
@Cindy Sorry, I was spacing out there.
Haven't been so well myself, these past few weeks. Feeling unusually tired for no reason.
 
@FaheemMitha That's okay. Thanks for asking.
@FaheemMitha perhaps a check up is in order.
 
@Cindy Well, it's probably related to my bronchial flare-up a few weeks ago.
 
@FaheemMitha Could very well be.
 
I'd don't handle those problems well. Though they aren't so common, fortunately.
 
My doctor's visit went well. But I suspect that when I get my blood work done I will end up on medication.
 
10:30 AM
@Cindy What problem is that?
 
Hypertrygliceridemia.
 
@Cindy oh. Are you diabetic (if you don't mind me asking)?
 
@FaheemMitha No. They say I have no underlying cause so it is hereditary.
 
@Cindy Oh. Strange. I think my cholesterol has also tended to be a bit high. But I probably don't get enough exercise.
 
They told me that I couldn't control it with diet but I tried anyway. I was hoping for some benefit. But after 2 years my number only dropped 8 points. Went from 792 to 784. With this carbs are the culprit. And the rest of my cholesterol numbers are excellent.
But I did get a surprise - I've lost 8 pounds.
@ElendilTheTall What's for lunch?
I'm thinking about Chinese take-out today.
 
10:45 AM
@Cindy You are eating like any other office worker I know ;-) Even though you are at home?
 
@Stephie Some days. Most days I have leftovers. But every now and then....
 
@Cindy, Interesting. In veterinary medicine we would see blood work like that often in dogs, usually after a major "dietary indiscretion". I didn't know it could be a chronic thing. Unfortunately, in dogs, it was usually related to a massive pancreatitis.
 
@Cindy Just kidding! I do this myself whenever I have the chance. Today the minors are booked with granny, because I'm at university, so I can have my choice of food. And started with a trip to Starbucks, but that's a rare treat.
 
@Jolenealaska Yes and it can lead to pancreatitis and kidney failure. The doctor has gone into detail about how the pancreas can necrotize itself. Not pretty.
 
@Stephie Do you work with Linux yourself? Either vanilla or forks (a la Android)?
 
10:50 AM
@FaheemMitha Nope.
Probably will, at least partly for the project I mentioned before.
 
@Cindy I see. I hope I don't have medical issues in that area myself. I must admit I tend to ignore my stuff more than I should.
I've been told a couple of times my cholesterol is a bit high, but nobody has set off any warning sirens.
 
@Stephie Normally when I'm working I'm in the field a lot so I can eat out more. But for the last year being at home I haven't indulged a lot.
 
@Stephie ok.
 
@Jolenealaska And the thing that boggles me is that it seemed to happen out of the blue. All of my cholesterol numbers were excellent until about 3.5 years ago. And this is the only one that changed. The others are still great.
@FaheemMitha I hope not.
 
@Cindy Any idea what can cause this? I mean, yes, you chould just take the medication, but one wonders, right?
 
10:59 AM
So only the triglyceride levels are up, then?
 
@Stephie From what I'm told there can be several underlying causes, such as obesity, diabetes, etc. But as I have none of what is considered a cause, they say it is hereditary. They initially wanted me to take niacin but I have serious issues with the flushing.
 

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