The Frying Pan

5:00 PM

good enough for me

@rumtscho Yeah- I also struggled with the language a lot. It's written in an older language with a lot of vocabulary or spellings that I don't know. Additionally it tended to use a lot of colloquial, country, vocabulary.

I had to read it with a dictionary next to me which was sometimes very tedious.

rumtscho

I managed it withot a dictionary, even though I didn't know all the words.

I am accustomed to reading that way, especially in Russian.

Sobachatina

Off to lunch. Later.

rfusca

@rumtscho we don't have a specific age, its kind of a per child thing

rumtscho

So, if somebody has heard of this great new cookbook which leaves all other books in its shadow and I know nothing about, please say it now.

Else, I am getting Cookwise and Bakewise.

rfusca

5:04 PM

hmmm

rumtscho

@rfusca I forget that you Protestants are not that big on tradition, I would have expected it to be bound to some special coming-of-age ritual.

rfusca

@rumtscho oh, many are

we, as in my wife and I, aren't

Mien

Oh those three weeks have passed already? That was fast.

hobodave

lol my boss just came in and asked me what ColdFusion was

Mien

Oh @rumtscho congrats :D

hobodave

5:13 PM

apparently a recruiter is trying to push a CF developer on her for our PHP application

derobert

@rumtscho Well, there was that "Cooking with Poo" book that won an award recently... :-P

Mien

@Laura how many contest questions were there in those three weeks?

hobodave

I had to google it. My response, "an abomination by Adobe".

rumtscho

@rfusca what would happen in a modern Christian family if a child decides not to be baptized? Do the parents disown it? Do you know a family where it has happened?

rfusca

lol

CF is INSANE

don't go down that whacky path

hobodave

5:14 PM

not my problem anymore lol

rfusca

lol, true

derobert

@rumtscho Baptism is done at a pretty young age...

rumtscho

@hobodave I only have a very, very vague idea what it is

rfusca

@derobert depends on the demonination

Cerberus

For Catholics, it is at birth, right?

rumtscho

5:15 PM

When you said "lol, my boss asked me", I even felt slightly inadequate for not knowing it - it sounded like the kind of thing somebody working with software should know.

rfusca

@rumtscho depends more on the family situation than on the church situation. I know of no church that I consider a good, life giving, church that would endorse disowning.

i'm surprised you guys haven't ever heard of CF

Mien

@Cerberus Do you really have to ask? :D

rfusca

@Cerberus yes

Cerberus

@Mien I...I have never witnessed a baptism.

derobert

@rfusca Oh. I've heard of it. Both meanings, even.

Mien

5:16 PM

But you live in the Netherlands, right?

Cerberus

Just making sure.

Yes.

Mien

I forgive you.

rfusca

@derobert lol

Cerberus

But I don't really know any religious people, not well anyway.

And even fewer Catholics.

rumtscho

@rfusca I've herd of it, and know that it is "some kind of technology". Nothing more - not what it is useful for, not what technologies it is used together with, etc. Just a buzzword which happens to be used sometimes.

rfusca

5:17 PM

ic

rumtscho

@cerberus are the Netherlands Catholic? I thought the majority was Protestant, from some church which teaches that you shouldn't have curtains.

Mien

Oh, I'm not sure anymore.

I thought you were more similar to us than you are irl ;)

So, what's the new contest topic btw?

rfusca

@rumtscho oh yes, the common No-Curtains Church ....

rumtscho

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Q: It's catering/bulk cooking time! Ask great questions, enter to win a prize

We kicked off a Topic of the Week series on a few other sites, and now we're bringing it to Cooking Stack Exchange! The basic idea is to increase the content we have about hot and/or underrepresented topics. We started off with questions about deep frying (based on discussion in the introductory ...

Cerberus

@rumtscho Haha, not sure the curtains have anything to do with religion. About 60 % are historically Protestant, 40 % Catholic. But nowadays about 60 % of both are irreligious.

rumtscho

5:20 PM

@rfusca I think it is a Calvinist branch or something.

Cerberus

And among the upper and upper-middle classes, it is more like 90 %.

rfusca

@rumtscho dang...and I can't enter yet :(

rumtscho

Oh :(

Cerberus

@Mien Hmm in what way?

rumtscho

Then you should at least write a catering blog post.

Mien

5:21 PM

@Cerberus Most people that are religious are Catholic.

rfusca

ok....i'm going to say this once more

Mien

Well, 'real' Belgians.

rfusca

we don't have a blog yet!

rumtscho

@rfusca I meant, when we have it.

derobert

@rfusca Well, if we had posts, we could have a blog

Mien

5:21 PM

@rfusca Why not?

rumtscho

After all, the whole organization happened after Laura went on vacation.

derobert

@rfusca Like I said, I wouldn't mind doing the administrative BS myself, but, there is no content

rumtscho

Now she can use our list of topics, etc, to argue for the creation of one.

rfusca

i doubt there will be much argument

Mien

Hmm the asian cuisine tag still has no wiki.

rumtscho

5:23 PM

Well, obviously "we need a post first" is the wrong way.

Mien

Any volunteers?

Cerberus

@Mien In Belgium? Sure because you were all Catholics historically.

rumtscho

I wrote one just befor Christmas, and Laura said we will need to get everything else sorted out first.

rfusca

if a cooking mod like @rum here goes into the TL and tells rebecca that there's significant interest, we've got several authors lined up, and we'd like to open it up to authors to put the articles in, I bet it gets done pretty quickly

@derobert ha !

rumtscho

OK, we should ask Laura when she is back from lunch. If it is better for the mod to ask, I will do it, else I will let her do it.

Cerberus

5:26 PM

Laura of the Chaos team?

rumtscho

@Cerberus exactly, she is our Chaoser.

Cerberus

Your??

rumtscho

I have come to view her as our link to SE.

Cerberus

hands on hips

Mien

What does TL mean?

And not the lamp.

rfusca

5:27 PM

oh my goodness

Cerberus

We used to consider her ours!

rumtscho

@Cerberus Obviously, she has more than one of us.

Cerberus

Too Long?

@rumtscho No no, it's fine. You may have her.

rumtscho

I bet that you call the person you voted for "my member of parliament" or however you call your legislative body.

But he probably represents more people than you personally.

Mien

My representative!

rumtscho

5:28 PM

TL means the Teaher's Lounge, this is the mod-only chat room on Stack Exchange.

Mien

/join Teacher's Lounge

It does not work :(

rfusca

the first place Laura was, was photo :)

derobert

@rfusca does that mean you're claiming her?

rumtscho

@mien this IRC syntax doesn't work for any room on SE, I thikn.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Impossible!

rumtscho

5:29 PM

But Teacher's lounge is a big secret, anyway.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Ah OK.

Secret? Everybody knows about it.

derobert

@rumtscho Well, that wasn't valid IRC syntax, so...

rumtscho

In the sense that not only can't you non-mods join, we are also forbidden from telling you what is said there.

rfusca

@Cerberus lies!

Cerberus

@rumtscho Of course.

rfusca

5:30 PM

Well, we could. But then we'd have to purge you.

Mien

@derobert I forgot the #?

Cerberus

@rfusca Lies about what? What were we talking about? There is nothing there, just move along.

derobert

@Mien Yes, and IRC room names don't have spaces

Mien

@rumtscho What's inside? A treasure?

rumtscho

I know that "big secret" was the wrong phrase, I forgot the correct translation for "streng geheim" and was too lazy to look it up.

Cerberus

5:31 PM

@rfusca Good luck purging my alts!

Mien

@derobert Well, this room had a space. What else was I supposed to do?

rfusca

@Cerberus challenge accepted

Cerberus

Top secret. Not much better.

derobert

@Mien Hmm, remove it, or maybe an underscore

Cerberus

@rfusca How will you go about it?

rumtscho

5:31 PM

@Mien if I told you, it wouldn't be secret any more...

derobert

/join #TheFryingPan

Mien

But all the mods on all the networks can enter?

rumtscho

@mien %20

derobert

well, I'm here, seems to have worked

Mien

@derobert I still use IRC ;)

rumtscho

5:32 PM

ducks under the destroying glare of derobert

derobert

@Mien same here, I'm on several networks at the moment

Mien

Quickly, use your destroy button!

@derobert Yes me too.

rfusca

@derobert ya, i'm usually in 6 diff chat rooms at the same time

derobert

@Mien I would mention which ones, but that'd probably just give you more avenues to attempt to get me into your stock pot.

Mien

irc.mushrooms.org?

derobert

5:34 PM

@Mien Nah, mushrooms.org was too expensive. So we use a different domain. And, in the words of Xellos, it's a secret.

rumtscho

@derobert stock pot? Only common mushrooms go there. A special, talking, calculator-software-writing mushroom as yourself is interesting enough to be used as the main ingredient in a dish.

Mien

You have to pay for IRC rooms? :s

I don't think so.

derobert

@Mien Well, someone has to pay for the domain registration

Mien

Or you mean the network?

Ah.

Well, I'm not willing.

But I'll work some more. Bbl.

rumtscho

Lol, don't you love it? whatever typo oyu make in Wikipedia, it seems that there is an article for it.

rfusca

5:36 PM

@derobert deroTheShroom.com ;)

Mien

Does your pidgeon wiki still exists?

derobert

Cho Oyu

__NOTOC__ Cho Oyu (Nepali: चोयु; ; ) is the sixth highest mountain in the world at above sea level. Cho Oyu lies in the Himalayas and is 20 km west of Mount Everest, at the border between China and Nepal. Cho Oyu means "Turquoise Goddess" in Tibetan. Cho Oyu was first attempted in 1952 by an expedition organised and financed by the Joint Himalayan Committee of Great Britain as preparation for an attempt on Mount Everest the following year. The expedition was led by Eric Shipton and included Edmund Hillary & Tom Bourdillon. A foray by Hillary and George Lowe was stopped due to techn...

rumtscho

@Mien yes, it does

derobert

@rfusca IT'S A SECRET. I'm not telling. I better at keeping secrets than @rumtscho :-P

Laura

@Mien about 30. not as many as I had hoped.

rumtscho

5:37 PM

@derobert Who told you such a thing?

rfusca

@Laura they want to know what to do to officially get a blog rolling

rumtscho

@laura did you notice our efforts at self-organization re: blog?

derobert

@rumtscho Well, you've already spilled the beans on the Teacher's Lounge.

@rumtscho We now know it exists.

Cerberus

Traitoress.

rfusca

@Laura btw, I should be writing my photo blog post (or two) tonight

rumtscho

5:38 PM

@derobert Everybody knows that it exists.

The secret is its content.

derobert

@rumtscho Exactly. Because you can't keep a secret :-P

Cerberus

Next thing you're going to tell us mods have special powers, haha, as if.

Laura

@rfusca @rumtscho @everyoneelse yes, I noticed. Getting a blog set up for you all is work for the community team, and sent them links to your meta posts, noting that this is the second time you all have tried to rally to get this done

I'll poke them again, but that's all I can do

derobert

@Laura rfusca mentioned you needed someone to do various administrative work for the blog, I can do that if you need a volunteer

rfusca

see, i told you guys...talk to rebecca

derobert

5:39 PM

@rfusca we can't talk to rebecca, she doesn't tab-complete

rumtscho

@laura I am also OK with the administrative work.

And I think @Jefromi offered to do it too.

Cerberus

@rfusca Who's that?

Laura

thanks, @derobert. and yes, rebecca is the one who will ultimately do the work of setting up the blog

Cerberus

Rebecca...not from Kongregate?

Laura

Rebecca Chernoff ♦, St Louis, MO

479 1 2 16

preparation sushi tomatoes vinegar refrigerator sauce seeds

Cerberus

5:40 PM

Ahh of course, d'oh!

Thanks.

I know her.

rumtscho

Heh, I like her cooking profile. Looks so innocent.

Cerberus

Awww.

rumtscho

Like a totally uninvolved user who only visited 2-3 times and forgot about us.

Cerberus

Cootchie cootchie coo.

rumtscho

She is even active in the preparation untag.

Wait, there isn't such a structure in English, is there?

In German, "Unwort" means a notorious word everybody is tired of.

derobert

5:43 PM

@rumtscho if we don't want preparation (and, yeah, it seems like a pretty worthless tag), we ought to get rid of it...

2

rumtscho

We don't want it, but we don't want to push up old questions with it in a mass removal action.

rfusca

all that and nobody bothers to try to send a message to her...you guys are hopeless lol

derobert

@rfusca how do we send a message to her? She doesn't tag complete. And only mods can super-ping.

rfusca

she's been in here before, type her name with an @ and it should get her

rumtscho

@rfusca I thought that Laura has sent her a message already. Do you think I should do it too?

hobodave

5:45 PM

speaking of health insurance, there's a good opinion piece in the WSJ today

derobert

@hobodave we were speaking of health insurance?

rfusca

@rumtscho yes

hobodave

@derobert yes

rfusca

its not gonna work if the community won't take ownership of getting it going

its not really a thing for @laura to own

derobert

@RebeccaChernoff Cooking.SE would like to set up a blog. If you need administrative volunteers, several people here have volunteered, including @rumtscho, possibly @Jefromi, and also myself.

@rfusca there, we'll see if that works

@rebecca We have ideas for potential blogs posts on meta, at meta.cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/1408/…

Laura

5:48 PM

I just sent Rebecca another message, but it definitely won't hurt for you guys to contact her yourselves

Cerberus

@rumtscho Not really, but it sounds cool!

Like Unwetter?

Unding?

rfusca

@Laura that lens I rented was so hard to send back

Cerberus

we have those in Dutch, but I don't think it's productive.

derobert

@rumtscho Hmmm, I think if they do an actual tag burnination, that won't push all the questions to the top

rfusca

wtf:

0

Q: How do I get to the minus world?

I have been trying for afew days now but cant get the block. Howd oes this work? Its a old system with input on both sids. What about cartridge?

marinade

derobert

5:51 PM

@rfusca ummm what?

Laura

@rfusca really? how so?

rfusca

@Laura I took it on a shoot with me and the pics were just gorgeous

as far as the 'creaminess' of the background

spottsphoto.com/Other/MartinezMarch2012/…

rumtscho

@Cerberus I think it is a parallel to Unding. Only it isn't a bad thing, it is a bad word.

derobert

@rfusca oh, you mean, so hard to send back, because you wanted to keep it

rfusca

@derobert yes :D

Laura

5:53 PM

@rfusca hahaha oooooh, i thought you meant logistically hard!

Cerberus

@rumtscho Right, well, it sounds funny.

rfusca

@Laura oh, no :) that was super easy

Laura

@rfusca good. those photos do look great...makes taking great photos look effortless!

rfusca

@Laura indeed!

@Laura and thanks :)

rumtscho

OK, should I close this marinade tagged nonsense, or nuke from orbitß

rfusca

5:54 PM

the client was happy

rumtscho

I am rather inclined to delete. It makes no sense from any angle I am trying to look at from.

rfusca

@rumtscho its already gone

closed at least

Jay

@Laura welcome back! we missed you

gah i forgot how boring lectures can get sometimes

just finished my 3rd hour and going into another 90 minute lecture

rfusca

@rum you might want to link something like meta.cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/blog in your message to rebecca in TL

derobert

@rumtscho Have you asked the meta.SO folks if there is a way to nuke preparation without bumping all 140+ questions?

rumtscho

6:02 PM

@rfusca Oh yes, I forgot this tab

rfusca

I really only want to be vaguely involved with the blog as an author, so i'd rather not ask it, but somebody should put a 'call for blog authors' meta post

rumtscho

@rfusca thank you for reminding me - and also for producing such a comfortable link, I haven't used search enough to notice it is linkable.

rfusca

np :)

rumtscho

@rfusca OK, I'll write the question.

Laura

@Jay thanks :)

rfusca

6:06 PM

@rumtscho cool

Sobachatina

You have such interesting conversations when I'm not around.

rfusca

@Sobachatina what was interesting?

Sobachatina

@rfusca- I've seen CF used. Never had a good impression made. It seemed like a hack for people who had a crush on Adobe.

rfusca

@Sobachatina lol thats true

Sobachatina

@rumtscho- I have cookwise and I like it.

Lighter on the science than On Food and Cooking but with example recipes for the various principles.

And I like her writing style.

rumtscho

6:26 PM

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Q: Call for participation: Cooking blog

As discussed before, we would like to have our own blog. The StackExchange community team will probably be nice enough to create one for us - if we commit ourselves to creating good content in a reasonable rhythm. This question is for the people who want to participate as authors. An author sho...

discussion blog

@Sobachatina what I liked was an answer here which said that it contains information like "This is a basic cookie. If you want it chewier, use more sugar. If you want it crispier, use more butter" etc.

It sounded like food science in a very applied manner.

Sobachatina

Exactly- It is more recipe and cooking centric. Very applied.

Which makes sense because Shirley is in the business of fixing recipes for people.

ElendilTheTall

Ok, who wants to see some water droplet photos?

The silence is deafening

Sobachatina

@ElendilTheTall Do we have a choice?

ElendilTheTall

@Sobachatina Of course

I won't inflict them on you if you don't want to see them

Sobachatina

Oh- how refreshing! Well then- inflict away.

ElendilTheTall

6:30 PM

Now I feel like you're just humouring me

Sobachatina

I can't win. I'm either grumpy or patronizing.

2

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall I want the photos, you already know it

ElendilTheTall

That's true

rumtscho

So show them please :P

Sobachatina

How did you trigger the shot?

ElendilTheTall

6:31 PM

rumtscho

Did you use a colored light, or did you color in post?

ElendilTheTall

@Sobachatina remote

rfusca

color cast in post?

ElendilTheTall

@rumtscho I used a red chopping board in the background, then altered the colour in post

just a hue shift

that's an uncoloured one

rfusca

very nice man

ElendilTheTall

6:34 PM

Sobachatina

@Elendil photodocuments his initial attempts at summoning water elementals

rfusca

have you tried adding glycerin?

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca no

Sobachatina

@rfusca Yes- photograph snot droplets. How picturesque.

rfusca

give it a shot, you're more likely to get the 'double tap'

rumtscho

6:35 PM

@elendil they are beautiful

ElendilTheTall

Sobachatina

I like that one. Seems more active.

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca I have no idea where I'd get glycerin

Sobachatina

Drug stores have it here as a laxative.

ElendilTheTall

you can get fancy valved bottles that release two drops at a time for 'double taps'

rumtscho

6:36 PM

@ElendilTheTall in the pharmacy

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall drug stores usully sell as a laxative

rumtscho

really, people drink it?

ElendilTheTall

interesting

I'll have to check it out

Cerberus

Wow!

ElendilTheTall

@Sobachatina I like that one too

I've done them before, but this time I used flash

and I used a bottle with a pinhole in the bottom rather than the tap

rumtscho

6:38 PM

But you had the flash pointed directly at the water?

ElendilTheTall

I had the flash down low about 80cm from the glass, pointing up at about 30º

On about 1/16th power

rumtscho

I think this is what looks so different from other droplet photos I've seen. You have lots of direct reflections in these.

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall much easier with flash

ElendilTheTall

Yeah, I didn't diffuse at all

@rfusca ya - I mean off-camera flash really, used the pop-up before now

rfusca

i've used a coke bottle that I screwed a valve from an outdoor water drip system on to. It worked well

@derobert meta.cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/1438/… & @jefromi

@ElendilTheTall ah, ic

i tried a laser tripwire in the past with moderate success

Jefromi

6:44 PM

Ahhh people are talking about me

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca I'm in two minds over what lens to rent for my holiday this year

We're right by the sea, so I'm planning on getting some nice long exposures of the water around the harbour and the rocks

so I was thinking of getting a nice wide angle, or perhaps a 17-55 2.8

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall surely all that could be done with just the 17-55 kit though?

ElendilTheTall

yeah, but the kit lens sucks ass

rfusca

you're going to stop it down anyway

Cerberus

You rent lenses?

Interesting.

ElendilTheTall

6:49 PM

anyway, the problem is I would need 77mm ND filters

rfusca

stopped down, i bet you don't see nearly as much difference

ElendilTheTall

which cost a fortune

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall you can rent those too around here

rumtscho

@cerberus good lenses are expensive.

No hobby photographer can collect the right ones for every occasion.

@ElendilTheTall which is the other lens you wanted?

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca I've tried, no one does it here

rfusca

6:50 PM

@Cerberus i rented a lens for last weekend that was 1.7k to buy or less than a hundred to borrow for a weekend

@ElendilTheTall that sucks

ElendilTheTall

@rumtscho I'm thinking perhaps a 24-70 2.8

rumtscho

Also, @ElendilTheTall isn't it too expensive to rent a lens for an entire vacation?

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall for what purpose

depends on the vacation...and the lens

Cerberus

@rumtscho Yeah I know—I just had no idea those cold be rented.

ElendilTheTall

@rumtscho £60 for a week

rumtscho

6:51 PM

@ElendilTheTall That's reasonable.

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca just general travel stuff

Cerberus

@rfusca Oh, nice! Much better.

ElendilTheTall

the odd landscape, perhaps a portrait of a Gauloise-smoking old French geezer

rfusca

@rum - I can rent a 3rd party 28-75mm f/2.8 for 30 days for under a hundred

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca keep rubbin' it in

rumtscho

6:53 PM

@rfusca OK, I thought that it is more expensive

I should try it next time in BG

rfusca

@rumtscho depends on the lens

rumtscho

Not only don't I have lenses, I don#t feel like travelling with the ones I have

rfusca

renting the lens I did last weekend for a month would be nearly 300

rumtscho

I am afraid to check them as luggage, so I take them in the cabin.

Last time, I had 12 kg cabin luggage and 4 kg normal luggage.

rfusca

lol

ElendilTheTall

6:54 PM

£69 for a 24-70 2.8 for a week

that's why I want SE to pay for it

:)

rumtscho

It isn't pleasant, especially on the small old planes I fly. The backpack is a bit too big for their compartment.

@rfusca OK, I hadn't thought that the per-day price for a rental will be so much less for a longer rent, but it makes sense.

ElendilTheTall

@rumtscho what lenses do you have?

rfusca

lol

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall A superzoom (18-200) for general purposes, and a 60 mm macro

Then i also put strobes and other stuff in the backpack.

rfusca

@elendil btw, we've been watching BBCs Outcasts

what do you think of it?

rumtscho

6:58 PM

And, of course, I put all the other electronics in the backpack. The laptop, the reader, the phone, the pm3 player, all their connection cables and loading cables...

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca watched about ten minutes of it

meh

rumtscho

My grandmother was heartbroken when she saw how much electronics I had compared to clothes.

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall really? we've kinda liked it

ElendilTheTall

no accounting for taste

:P

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