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12:02 PM
@Adnan how did he destroy you? ._.
 
@D3C4FF Damn! Language barrier. I meant he made our presentations look like shit. Everybody got photos off of Google and I thought I made the best presentation by taking my own photos. Then this guy came with his own slo-mo video.
 
@Adnan slo mo no homo?
 
@AviD He's not gay for me!! Stop it!
I hate that you can't communicate how you say something with what you say with text
 
@Adnan lol, i know dat feel. Slow mo cameras are damn expensive. Although. You can use a gopro... at low res, it does some pretty amazing stuff...
 
@D3C4FF I tried the gopro with mountain biking. Pretty neat.
 
12:14 PM
hehe
I didn't say anything about him... ;-)
oh damn, that came off sounding like I meant me, when in fact I meant that I was referring to you.
Gay Burn Fail.
 
@AviD Hehehehe... jesus!!
 
Go ahead, mock me. I've earned it.
 
@AviD I'll let this one slid. I'm trying to get into the God mentality like The Bear recommended.
 
@Adnan say this seven times fast:
> Supercalifragilisticexpialodocious
I know, the sound of it is quite atrocious.
 
14 hours ago, by Scott Pack
Also, for the record, if there's somebody that I don't like in chat I click the little block button so that their messages don't show up on my screen. Which also means I don't talk to them and given heartfelt advice on what I think makes for higher quality contributions.
We have a block button? :O !!
@AviD I can't say it one time!
 
12:19 PM
Then sing it. It helps.
@Adnan click on a user's face, then click the "hide posts" link in the popup.
NOT ME
 
I did it on you :D
Jesus! Now your avatar is very small!
I'll click it
Yaay! You're back!
Now let's do it on @Xander
 
... CAN'T HEAR ME??
 
@AviD I can always hear you. In my heart.
At night
 
with a cactus.
 
@AviD Exactly!
I regret my last message.
 
12:30 PM
And well you should.
Unfortunately, the history of deleted messages is still available to moderators, room owners, and other high-rep users.
 
@AviD At least it's not Googlable
 
hehe
you're ashamed?
or worried about it being taken out of context
 
Both
It's the Finnish weather, a couple of years here and you'll automatically become shy.
 
hahaah
I guess it's pretty diametrically opposed to the Israeli weather - a couple of years here and you automatically become shameless.
As my wife often tells me I am.
 
@AviD It'd be interesting to be shameless here.
 
12:38 PM
I actively have to implement some faux self-restraint.
What you see here is the leftovers after that.
 
I forgot to handout my tax declaration to my employer. Woke up on Friday morning and opened the mailbox, only to find out that I paid 60% tax this month!
Mysli and chicken nuggets this month!
 
@Adnan ouch. that's pretty bad.
you have to do that every month?
 
@AviD No, once a year. I was lucky enough to have a problem with my tax return last year, they fixed in February and so I had to make a new declaration on March for 2013
 
I see.
 
They should remind you by email! I mean you do all the tax stuff online. Why not have a script that emails the people who forgot to do so
@TerryChia hei yo!
 
12:42 PM
heh, because they benefit when you don't.
 
@AviD darn it!
 
Follow the money.
 
@Adnan hai. brb going through transcript.
 
@TerryChia enjoy!
 
@TerryChia No! Don't! You'll only find pain!
 
12:43 PM
Derp. Late again. Night all
 
@Adnan Pain leads to anger. Anger leads to Hate.
 
@D3C4FF Night!
@AviD Hate leads to?
 
The Dark Side, of course.
 
@AviD In the dark side they have cocaine and hot ladies in tight leather pants. What's better than that?!
 
The tight leather pants are only on the men.
... and we're back to that.
This seems to be a pattern with you.
.... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
12:47 PM
@AviD Yeees yes! A pattern with me!
 
That guy really seems to think I hate him.
 
@TerryChia Is he wrong?
 
@TerryChia and that you're ugly.
 
@AviD NO! Terry Chia is beautiful!
 
@Adnan No. I do not hate people I never met. It's a personal rule.
I might get annoyed, but that's as far as I will go. Any further and I just block the person.
@AviD So's your face/mom.
 
12:53 PM
@TerryChia Oh! That's almost the opposite of my personal rule.
 
@Adnan You sir, are a hateful person.
:P
 
I automatically hate everybody until they prove that they worth my acceptance.
I'm working on that. Thanks to meditation
 
@Adnan Medication is a faster path.
 
@TerryChia I think he thinks a lot of people on here hate him, while that's not true. Downvoting is not hating, it's just paying shitty answers their due
 
@LucasKauffman I prefer not to use the term "punishing".
 
12:59 PM
Ah, he got suspended?
 
I prefer to think of downvoting as paying shitty answers their due.
hehe, stealer.
 
He got suspeneded?
 
He got suspenders?
 
Ok, that took way too long to read. Morning all!
 
1:00 PM
@Xander morning
 
why did he got suspended?
 
No idea, perhaps he triggered an automatic script?
I think @AviD mentioned something about constantly deleting answers.
 
I would guess because the moderators, as awesome as they are, still have finite patience.
 
@AviD Ahh, you were the one who did it?
 
@TerryChia I plead the fifth.
 
1:01 PM
@LucasKauffman He made a couple of insulting remarks
Mainly to AviD (at least when I was online)
 
Regardless, issues like that are not really suited for public discussion.
 
well that's stupid of him
 
I don't think anyone is surprised by it, he was kinda earning it for a while.
@Adnan naw, that's nothing to do with it. I get much worse from my teenage girls on a daily basis.
 
@Adnan If I'm still blocked, you're mother's ugly. If not, good morning. :-)
 
though I would remind you all to read again the top star in the sidebar.
 
1:03 PM
@AviD I think he earned it more than mother theresa winning the nobel price
 
@AviD Always keep bouncing?
 
ehh. He wasn't the worst we've had. But it was a destructive influence. Unpleasantness needs to be contained.
now let's get off that...
 
@LucasKauffman Anybody who has earned anything has earned it more than mother theresa winning the nobel prize.
 
happy thoughts, happy thoughts.
 
Boobies boobies
 
1:05 PM
yesterday, by AviD
@Adnan First rule of Stack Exchange: BE NICE.
 
@Adnan was just about to post the same thing
great minds think alike
 
Pathetic.
 
@LucasKauffman True.
 
@LucasKauffman you should catch some of @Rory's beach volleyball...
 
@AviD Boobs are pathetic? It seems you want my flat mate's number.
 
1:06 PM
@AviD Rory has boobs?
 
RORY HAS BOOBS?!!
 
@Adnan your mate is flat?
... And here is where I step out, to get some work done.
 
@AviD work on sunday?
 
@LucasKauffman hehe, right.... Sundays here are on Friday.
 
@AviD After all that talk about boobs, what sort of work are you trying to get done? ;-)
 
1:07 PM
Sunday is a regular work day here.
 
It is ?
 
Anyway, as an indpendant, I pretty much work every damn day.
@LucasKauffman yeah, and Friday is typically off.
(though not for teachers and such... 6 days in most schools)
 
I wish I could be Israelian on fridays and belgian on sundays
 
@LucasKauffman hehe. For me it's usually the opposite... Israeli on Sunday, American on Friday.
 
@LucasKauffman You should move to China for the Chinese New Year period.
 
1:09 PM
@TerryChia that time of year they do not work :P?
 
I think it's a 15 day holiday.
 
yea but in China thats probably the only holiday you have
 
@LucasKauffman Ah, that's why you move out of China when it's over.
 
@LucasKauffman Or you could just stop giving fucks. You can be (stereotypically lazy group of people) all days.
 
I'm lazy all day.
 
1:11 PM
@Adnan SysAdmins?
 
@AviD heh. @ScottPack.
 
@AviD How dare you?!
 
It's true
 
@LucasKauffman What's the deal with CTFs? We doing another on the 15th?
 
@TerryChia yea we are supposed to
 
1:13 PM
@LucasKauffman Cool. :)
In this day and age, why are there still USB devices that require a CD for driver installation...?
 
@TerryChia I dont have a clue
 
@TerryChia Might be like Sony's strategy. That's how they load up rootkits on your machine.
 
@AviD Heh. It's a TP-Link usb wireless card.
Is it possible to see what chipset is used in the card from Windows?
 
@TerryChia that's even weirder.
 
@AviD Yeah, tell me about it.
 
1:30 PM
@TerryChia You can't expect OSs to include drivers for EVERY USB device in the world and/or a database of URLs to them.
 
@Adnan Eh, from such a major manufacturer like TP-Link, I would expect their drivers to come with Windows.
 
@TerryChia Every single one of their devices? Come on, be realistic
 
@Adnan I am being realistic actually. This is actually the first USB device I have seen in years that require a CD for driver installation.
Even my Alfa card automatically installs the driver for me.
And Alfa is a much more niche manufacturer compared to TP-Link.
 
@TerryChia Okay, great. Then Windows has all the drivers except for the device you have. Seems like a pretty good work to me :p
 
@TerryChia "come with windows" this is not accurate, Windows searches an online driver database for you. So it's not like it needs to be distributed to every copy of Windows installed...
and I agree with you.
The drivers should be available.
 
1:38 PM
@AviD Yeah, it was a bad phrasing on my part.
 
Did you try installing the hardware without the CD?
I've seen often hardware that comes with a CD, but you dont need it.
 
@AviD Didn't work, had to install the drivers from the CD before Windows is able to detect it.
 
Amusingly, my new router came with a CD, complete with the big scary sticker "INSTALL THIS FIRST".
Still not sure why, it only "enables" a web interface.
 
@AviD I assume the CD is for management tools?
@AviD Ahh.
 
@TerryChia "management tools" which are a thin wrapper around the web UI.
 
1:40 PM
@AviD Think of the toolbars :P
 
heh, exactly.
 
I just got the card in preparation for the release of the Pwn Pad source code anyway, so I'm not too bothered.
Just struck me as weird that it still requires a CD for driver installation.
 
@ThomasPornin do you have an answer for this?
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Q: What vulnerabilities could be caused by a wildcard SSL cert?

Graham LeeIn a comment on this answer, AviD says: "There are numerous security issues with wildcard SSL certs." So, what are the problems? I understand that the same private key is being used in multiple contexts, but given that I could host all of my applications under the same host name I don't see thi...

 
@AviD Uuuuu.. AviD-inspired question!
 
@Adnan I know, right?
I was searching the site for some information on wildcard certs, and bumped into a few of my own posts....
Seems I don't even remember all the things I've forgotten.
 
1:50 PM
@AviD Ha?!
 
@AviD I have seen this CD MUST INSTALL behavior as well. In the end you find out all it does it open the admin console that you can always open just by entering the IP in a web browser
 
@void_in yeah, I didnt bother trying it.
Oh lordy, @RoryAlsop @JeffFerland did you see that?? If you manage to read all the way through it, please send me the executive summary...
 
@TerryChia If it's a USB, not so sure. I can do it for PCI devices, not sure what identifying data appears for USB. Hang on.
 
@AviD I can write one.
 
@ThomasPornin Of course you can.
 
1:55 PM
@ThomasPornin oh yay!
Enlightenment on Demand.
 
@TerryChia Okey spokey. You need to find out (probably from device manager) the device ID for the device. Usually four digits in hex. Might match XXXX:YYYY where both X and Y are hex digits.
Compare versus this list
That'll tell you who made the actual underlying chipset device.
I'm not sure what you do if you can't find that information, off the top of my head.
There is a way, but I can't remember what it is.
 
@Ninefingers Ahh found it. Thanks!
 
There is another utility that I used back in the day which identifies unknown devices. The link is zhangduo.com/udi.html
 
Confirmed it's the Atheros chipset that I needed. Was unsure because the particular card had different revisions.
 
@TerryChia No problemo. I end up looking through the PCI database once a week or so :(
 
2:00 PM
So now, I have three USB wireless cards capable of monitor mode. Hurray for over-redundancy!
 
@TerryChia are you planning to crack Wi-Fi password of three of your neighbors simultaneously :)
 
Came across this comment on arstechnica.com.
> Can you calleth a troll a troll if he doth troll the troller?
@void_in Heh. It's actually hardware for my CTF teammates... I'm usually the one supplying the needed hardware when we go for competitions.
Plus it's always nice to have several backups. I lose stuff way too often.
 
If any of you happen to be at MIT or around boston in April, this looks to be quite interesting: BAH! (Bad Ad Hoc Hypotheses)
 
@TerryChia So you are on the offensive team or defensive?
 
@void_in I usually prefer to do offensive stuff. Breaking things is so much more fun than building things.
 
2:11 PM
@TerryChia Don't mention it on SE. It might get you suspended as well!!!. Two persons suspended on one day will be a record
 
why would you get suspended?
 
@TerryChia I disagree.
 
@AviD It's probably my age speaking. ;)
 
Seeing as how most things are already very fragile, it usually doesn't take much work to break them.
However, building something, seeing it go up, and withstand attacks - ahh, now thats enjoyable.
 
@LucasKauffman was just kidding with @TerryChia
 
2:13 PM
Breaking stuff is easy, trying to clean up the mess after breaking is less easy
 
@LucasKauffman See, that's why I am only doing CTFs for now. I just focus on breaking the stuff.
Hmm, I still need to pick up a 8-port switch. Any suggestions for a decently priced one?
 
@TerryChia buffalo
or Cisco Catalyst 2960S-24PD-L
thats also decently priced.
 
@LucasKauffman Cool thanks. Will look into them.
I almost bought several patch panels a few days ago but I convinced myself my room has too much junk I'm not using.
 
@TerryChia that second one was a joke though
it would set you back a few thousand bucks
 
@LucasKauffman Just googled it lawl.
Was thinking of buying a nice HP switch, but it's too heavy to lug around.
 
2:22 PM
@TerryChia take a look at youtube.com/watch?v=6LGkg1NUhFI. Might change your mind
 
@TerryChia If you just talking about home/CTF use, you can also pick up a web managed Dell switch for cheap. Less than $100 US new. Not exactly a data center quality switch, but great features for the money.
 
@TerryChia we have one of those 24 port hp switches, they are pretty good though
but they arent cheap
 
HP ProCurve V1410-8G 8-Port Gigabit Switch (J9559A) with lifetime warranty.
 
@LucasKauffman breaking stuff is easy, putting it back together so noone notices is less easy.
 
I could get that for SGD 137, but it's pretty heavy to lug around.
 
2:25 PM
 
@AviD In my experience of pentesting, nobody notices. I had a client once coming in, our security team got you! the noticed you were testing. This was after 3 days of doing constant nmap scans and using Nexpose. It's like badgering with a sledgehammer
 
Heh. Is Nexpose nice? Never got around to testing it. Always seemed to fall back on Nessus.
 
@TerryChia Nexpose is nice but way too expensive if you go for the enterprise. Community is restricted to 32 IPs only
@TerryChia the real value of Nexpose is their integration with MSF. Basically you can schedule Nexpose to run scans periodically, import that data automatically in Metasploit, perform exploitation on those vulnerabilities automatically and then give feedback to Nexpose again for a full cycle risk assessment
 
2:48 PM
@void_in I see.
 
@TerryChia these are a bit specialist but v. useful for testing, USB powered, port mirroring and PoE pass thru dual-comm.com/gigabit_port-mirroring-LAN_switch.htm
 
@RoryMcCune Ahh, interesting.
 
@TerryChia I use 'em alot for VOIP jobs and anything where packet sniffing is useful...
 
3:04 PM
@AviD Done:
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A: What vulnerabilities could be caused by a wildcard SSL cert?

Thomas PorninA "wildcard certificate" is a certificate which contains, as possible server name, a name which contains a "*" character. Details are in RFC 2818, section 3.1. The bottom-line: when the server certificate contains *.example.com, it will be accepted by clients as a valid certificate for any server...

 
@ThomasPornin ooh sweet. Thanks.
 
@ThomasPornin Upvoted before reading... wasn't disappointed.
 
@TerryChia shameful.
@ThomasPornin I too upvoted (after reading), but I admit I am not yet quite satisfied.
Sure, wildcard certs are bad for the environment. However, the real question - what does it do to my webserver/app/something else - is only partially related by the last paragraph.
Might I dare to poke the bear, and request an elucidation?
That is, if there really are any non-theoretical/philosophical issues.
 
@LucasKauffman funny, when you say it, it sounds dirty.
 
3:13 PM
@avid FWIW I agree with the action. I'm all for helping someone become better, but they have to want to become better.
 
@AviD I wrote it in the message: the SSL server itself, by construction, is not impacted by whatever is in its certificate, because the certificate is for clients, not for the server.
 
I was staying to wonder if dude was honestly that incapable of self assessment or we were being trolled.
 
@ScottPack he did like you a lot
 
@ThomasPornin well, yeah, that part was obvious. But when talk about the security of the web/app server, we obviously include its users, and the trust-relationship between them.
 
Also, I have administered firewalls, Cisco specifically, and I agree with @AviD on the whole DDoS v. DoS debacle.
@Lucas What's not to like?
 
3:16 PM
@ScottPack Your face.
 
What scenarios are there - if any - that wildcard certs can affect the trust relationship negatively?
 
It's nor my fault he had such good taste.
 
@ScottPack I think it's the first.
 
@ScottPack the fact he had to specify non-homosexual was quite funny
 
Yeah
 
3:17 PM
@ScottPack sweet, but I dont need to have administered firewalls to know I'm right. ;-)
@LucasKauffman yeah, well, with @Adnan around... :D
 
@AviD Just go click around on the Windows firewall admin panel. Then you can say you have administered firewalls.
 
adnan is gay?
 
Honestly, he called me pretty. I don't care what is motivations were. I'll take it as a win.
 
@LucasKauffman Go count the number of times he mentioned cactus and ass in the same sentence.
 
@LucasKauffman I dont know about that, but I would money on the -phobe... Read up earlier today.
 
3:18 PM
@AviD Jesus Christ, AviD!
 
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
@LucasKauffman No, I'm not.
 
hahaha
no need to be serious... we're all just poking the bear here, so to speak.
not The Bear, just a generic bear.
 
@AviD Is it some homosexual act?
 
Giggity
 
3:19 PM
"Poking the bear"
 
@AviD Well, a wildcard is a message from the CA which tells "trust everything, regardless of what appears in the name where the '*' is". It's rather broad. Trust tends to be diluted when it is too broadly applied.
 
@TerryChia heh, I've done more than that. But I refuse to say I administered firewalls... I'm an apps guy!
 
@AviD Is that another term for fucking programmers?
 
@ThomasPornin right, that's the theoretical / philosophical part.
 
@Adnan It's ok we accept al that here
 
3:20 PM
Any actual attack?
@TerryChia if you wish. But even as a security guy (non-programmer), I'm still an apps guy.
 
@LucasKauffman True. We're already accepting @ScottPack for whatever abomination he is
 
@AviD heh. ;)
 
That reminds me. I should probably fix up my PIX/ASA/FWSM backup script to support git or svn and do a bug review of if.
 
@TerryChia for the record, I've gone in deeper into firewalls than almost any typical sysadmin, but from the software side.
I try to stay away from anything ops-related.
 
Am I wrong in this comment? I don't think I am but I want to make sure.
 
3:22 PM
@Adnan I'm desperately trying to overcome my Kentucky heritage.
 
@ribot Session hijacking is another common attack prevented by SSL. Most of the attacks prevented by SSL are of the MITM-variant. — Terry Chia 10 mins ago
 
@AviD So you've been ACE deep into a firewall?
 
@TerryChia hmm... I dont know about "wrong", but definitely not accurate.
Passive attacks are also prevented by SSL...
 
@TerryChia The first part seems to be correct
 
@ScottPack heh
 
3:24 PM
@AviD Well to be fair, he said "most"
 
@AviD Yeah, wasn't sure about that part. Any specific attacks in particular?
 
@Adnan @TerryChia not really, either. It is hampered by SSL, but session hijacking is more common via XSS, which is SSL-independant.
@TerryChia eavesdropping...
@ScottPack code reviewing kernel-level firewalls is a lot more my speed than managing rulesets.
 
@AviD How would you put it then?
 
Ok, comment deleted since it isn't accurate. :)
@AviD Ah right, MITM is active eavesdropping. Blah brain isn't working well today.
 
"MITM attack is another common attack prevented by SSL" ?
 
3:26 PM
@adnan Also. I use Google Reader. I'll make a bundle later today of my feeds. Do you just want technical/security or everything?
 
@TerryChia oh this is just ironic:
@asadz I haven't thought of a risk-analysis, how would I do that? — ribot 23 mins ago
 
@ScottPack Security would be great, currently I'm only following ThreatPost and CVE >5
 
@AviD hahahaha - still doesn't change the fact that it is off-topic on that particular question though. prod him to ask another question.
 
@Adnan that works, though I'm not sure I would classify MITM as an attack...
 
@Adnan No problem. I have them divided up into offensive and standard security
 
3:30 PM
Hmm.. this is interesting, on Security.SE I have 2.47 upvote/downvote ratio, while on Stackoverflow it's 0.62
 
@TerryChia I feel like he just needs to work through this one
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A: Does an established ssl connection mean a line is really secure

AviDIt's important to understand what SSL does and does not do, especially since this is a very common source of misunderstanding. It encrypts the channel It applies integrity checking It provides authentication So, the quick answer should be: "yes, it is secure enough to transmit sensitive data...

 
I got those two bundles from either @ScottPack or @RoryMcCune.
This two are pretty nice as well, blog.cryptographyengineering.com, securitybistro.com
Plus obviously a shameless plug to my own blog: infosecstudent.com :P
 
@TerryChia, thanks a lot. I'll add them tomorrow to my RSS feeds
 
Oh, @ThomasPornin. This answer of yours doesn't seem to apply to the question actually. I think you might have missed his edit.
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A: What is the difference between Google search and encrypted Google search?

Thomas PorninWhen using Google through HTTPS, you "benefit" from the automatic tracking of Google by linking your searches with your Google+ profile, Gmail account, Youtube account and similar things. Google is known to try to refine search results depending on who asks (details are not made public, of course...

 
I genuinely don't understand this guy's "approach". I feel so stupid
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Q: Using a separate email address for each contact

user1046221A lot of the people I exchange emails with use services such as Google Mail. Recently it occurred to me that Google must maintain a social graph based on who exchanges emails with whom. It bogs me that a Google employee can potentially point to a number of email addresses and say: "These are th...

 
3:36 PM
@Terry That would have been McCune. I took his and integrated them into mine. A lot of his were dead, and a fair bit didn't interest me.
 
@TerryChia Indeed. Good but off-topic answer deleted.
There's a lot of activity on the site this morning. Sundays are usually quieter.
 
@ThomasPornin - Thanks a bunch for The Gold-Bug, was fun to read :)
 
I even reached the rep cap before midday (in EDT time zone), which is rare on week-ends.
@TildalWave And it even has an awesome French translation, by Baudelaire himself.
 
@ThomasPornin I don't read French, not much at least, maybe some cooking advice now and then that I can at least partially understand LOL
 
@ScottPack Yeah, haven got around to pruning the dead ones yet.
 
3:43 PM
@ThomasPornin Not quite sure what was harder to decode, the Jupiter's rantings or the code itself :))
@Adnan His approach is all wrong as it wouldn't really stop Google from finding out who the messages were sent from, if he'd be using a public SMTP relay like that. There are (or should be) SMTP proxies out there that would strip the original headers and re-address messages. I don't know of any readily made app that'll do that without much work, though.
@Adnan There must be some, but it's not that difficult to write one's own (dunno, maybe 5 minutes with a good library?).
 
@TerryChia @AviD BTW update on the surface/surface pro video out interfaces. I was wrong before to say that they're both Mini-Displayport. the Surface pro is, but the Surface is some odd proprietary thing....
 
@RoryMcCune Ahh ok. Guess my friend has to get an adapter if she wants to buy the surface...
 
@TerryChia yeah and they're not particularly cheap..
 
@TildalWave Yeah, but you see, that's what you understood. I understood something entirely different
@TerryChia Here's a relevant answer for you security.stackexchange.com/a/32374/16228
 
@Adnan +1 :)
 
4:18 PM
@Adnan It's quite possible I didn't see something that I should've...
 
5:02 PM
@Adnan Hey you. Here's you a bunch of lists. I went ahead and thread in all of my feeds.
 

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