The DMZ - 2013-03-10 (page 1 of 3)

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12:42 AM

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Son of a bitch. I almost ~~motorboated~~ mortarboarded yesterday.

1:17 AM

@ScottPack Was that a Sec.SE Freudian slip?

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2:39 AM

Wow my brain hurts after reading the transcript...

3:24 AM

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Q: Why do people still use/recommend MD5 if it is cracked since 1996?

It's still commonly recommended way of hashing passwords, even if it's insecurity had been proven in 1996 Therefore we suggest that in the future MD5 should no longer be implemented in applications like signa- ture schemes, where a collision-resistant hash func- tion is required. According to...

web-application passwords hash digital-signature md5

I.....dont even.......

@AdamMcKissock butbutbut. it's md5!

Some of the comments on that make me loose faith in humanity...

" I mean more like put a big warning screens around it, and point the developers to SHA or Blowfish"

Blowfish?

What?

@AdamMcKissock He's just clueless. Deal with it!

:P

Ugh, why did my gravatar change?

Gravity

Ahh ok, changed it back.

3:37 AM

Sleep! Y U NO COME?!

sigh need to be up in three hours, is it worth sleeping?

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6:12 AM

@adam still up? :P

6:27 AM

@@3435@chat.stackexchange.com Chat seems to not notice that I'm a moderator today. Locked out of teachers lounge. Superping doesn't pop up the box.

headdesk

6:38 AM

@D3C4FF Aye

@jefff - have had that happen twice. Once it 'fixed itself' and the other time I just logged out of everything and forced a log back in and ask was well

@Adam - sleep fail entirely? Not good. You need the opposite of D3C4FF :)

@RoryAlsop Lol, yeah, and I'm going to be running around all day outside today :(

@asadz - rage issues aren't really an excuse. Those are your responsibility to deal with outside this community, because bringing those issues to the site causes friction and annoyance and is unwelcome.

6:59 AM

Deliberating whether or not to go out today considering the blizzard outside

Does it count as gloating if I say I am currently watching beach volleyball outside our conference room. . . :)

7:18 AM

@RoryAlsop very much so

7:36 AM

@RoryAlsop Its hard to know why I'm being penalized for my choice of words; its a chat and I have seen worse things said over here; I think there should be enough space left in the heart of the community to digest little bit of sarcasm ?

my answer was intended to the part he didn't request to his main question instead asked me to reply in one of his comments

i did just that...

and btw i have already deleted my post; i don't know what else should i do know

and i have apologized as well

7:52 AM

@asadz - it's all a learning experience. I hope you are realising that we are a very welcoming community as long as you make the effort to meet the existing culture. Where you don't, you will get comments. If you ignore them or argue you will start to annoy the community. Pretty easy really.

But @RoryAlsop community makes me feel I'm always wrong

with few exceptions @ScottPack

and @AviD

and @Xander

and @TildalWave

see i remember their names

and you too

and lately for the very right answers I'm getting no votesup

The community will make you feel wrong when you are wrong by our standards. There are people who are very patiently trying to help you alter your approach from your current 'I am right' view to a 'I am not getting upvotes, I must be doing something wrong' view

You see it is not up to the individual to say whether their answers are right. You may think it is right but by our standards/context etc it may be wrong

The problem you will face if you do not alter your approach is that patience will wear off.

and @ScottPack also said something great about self-reflection ...

its not a perfect community there are some flaws which i point irks people

I was mentioning to a question where (eric) got 2 votes up for something which is factually incorrect; i on the other hand don't speak english language as my mother tongue manage to show that his view about the problem were wrong instead what he was negating actually exists in the technical community the very opposite way

from very I mean where hard facts says it can happen like this I still not getting the acceptance...

The community is very tolerant, not just the guys you have named, but the vast majority are here to learn and help others learn so if you are getting down votes, negative comments etc it is always for a reason.

no its not always a reason

thats the problem

they are humans at the end of day and we are prone to mistakes

and sometimes humans emotions

only prophets can be write always

not Humans we don't posses the complete knowledge

8:10 AM

But the reason the community works is we don't rely on an individual (except Thomas, obviously) - this filters out almost all mistakes. Not all, but the vast majority.

Many skilled professionals outweight one individual's misunderstandings

yeah @ThomasPornin is good for encryption i give him that

and he has helped me a LOT

i do like him

but security is not all about encryption one facet maybe

i'm talking in totality the entire mood is something to talk about

@RoryAlsop if you were in my shoes you would feel what i feel

but then again great scientist even proved that they sometimes can get it wrong too

And when people get emotional here they get flagged (as you have been on a number of occasions) so the mods can warn them, give time-outs etc to stop them disrupting the community

yeah i get the abuse of it

like the piranha frenzy i was talking about

@asadz - not to put too fine a point on it. The mood you see was brought on by yourself. You joined as a very argumentative individual, being rude, not taking the time to understand the culture, not paying attention to the guidance in the faq and from individuals.

giving me one -1 votes doesn't satisfy the community appetite infact they give me -more and more

8:15 AM

Most new joiners take the time to learn the culture by 'lurking' so they don't about the community they want to be a part of.

@RoryAlsop YOU say i got no hope...

:(

know everyone who hears this remark would tend to agree with you.

i just want band of brothers kind of thing

i don't have a support group? unlike you; you reign on people

-1 vote is from one individual. If you get -10 that is from ten individuals. That should show you ten people disagree. That is what is supposed to happen. Votes are indicators, not a piranha frenzy

I reign on no one

You earn being part of the community by learning how to be part of it, earning respect etc, not by telling the community it doesn't do things correctly

well they are ; i mean in real life a teacher can hit you with a big ruler like one time or 2 times to get his point across but what does hitting hundred times means?

i think after (-3) votes the post gets deleted automatically

That is not equivalent. A vote is one persons viewpoint. You could get 100 upvotes. Some have had more than 100 downvotes. This is the way SE works. It doesn't mean punishment. No one hates you. Why would you take it personally

i think this community through voting system negatively influence the minds of OP by selecting only those answers they narrow down themselves (the upvotes ones) and when there is a little chance to reflect on another dimension (like in my case) the OP asked me to give other perspective i get -3 votes for something that i was practically asked to write; its cases where i say the community "some" are more pious then priest himself.

Also there is a debate that from google people who stumble across the site; may find other answers more useful the ones with no votes and laying way down in the responders list; this is how i knew stackexchange most the answer that have helped me the most had nothing to do with the direct quetsion.

@TerryChia hates me

he made fun of him which even @AviD acknowledged

and he apologized me on behalf of community behavior

8:35 AM

i had to go @RoryAlsop

some other time ...we meet

thanks for chatting..\

._.

8:47 AM

Hmmm. Difficult. I wonder if the language barrier can really such a challenge

8:58 AM

@asadz - Terry does not and can not hate you. He has never met you. You may well have annoyed him and others a lot, and some folks got told off for over reacting to your approach - but remember: this is an online community. Until you have proven you can be part of it and are willing to abide by its rules there is responsibility on you to follow the guidance of the community and understand what you are told. Seriously read and understand the full faq and about pages. And read them again.

9:09 AM

Unless the language is incomprehensible and you can't tell whats being asked/said, i don't ever see an issue with language, I just edit the post to what i think is being asked/said and it usually is fine.

morning

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@LucasKauffman i lol'd

gmorning all you drama queens

@asadz to be clear, I tried to make you realize you were wrong, too. But being wrong is not a reason to be not nice.

Morning folks

Well I say gentlemen, what a lovely day it is!

9:23 AM

Another lovely day in Tel Aviv. And I learned a surprising fact today - Israel is a quarter the size of Scotland!

I like that its daytime for all you folks. Its night time for me :D

@RoryAlsop Aren't they expanding?

Well time to get out of bed and make myself a cup of Earl Grey

@asadz and nobody hates you. I was just making fun of @Terry, cuz... well, its what we do here.

@RoryAlsop haha, so, a bit smaller than wales?

@asadz one more comment - I strongly suggest you take some time out, read those links if you havent yet (faq, about, how to answer). Spend some time reading around the site - dont answer, dont comment, dont even vote - just try and get a feel for how things go around here. What is considered a good answer, what gets the votes, how to communicate... Then come back with a better attitude.

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@LucasKauffman hehe, no, only vertically.

@RoryAlsop haha, ohh the bouncing, the bouncing. Always keep them bouncing, I say.

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@RoryAlsop how's the conference going?

Conference is good. Some very valuable bits to take away regarding retention, volunteering and growth strategy. Good networking as well.

Jaffa/Yafo was lovely. Very like old Edinburgh in a lot of ways.

heh. I think it might be from the same historical period...

probably not as cold though, eh?

9:39 AM

It is sooo hot. I'm enjoying it but wish I was not in a suit

@RoryAlsop so who wears a suit? ;-)

actually the weather is really pleasant, if a bit on the warm side - come back in a couple months it will be 15-20 degrees hotter, and I wont even mention the humidity.

low 20's, sunny, and a bit of a breeze - best weather as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, but no thanks. Humidity kills me even faster than heat

Water falls out of the air where I live-it doesn't hang about being humid

yeah, I tend to close myself up and run the A/C nonstop pretty much from April till October. I try not to go outside too much then, except maybe the beach...

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can you get (-1) vote without any explanation

I want thatvt-shirt!

9:46 AM

@RoryAlsop i expect this goes both ways generosity has to come from both directions..

so is it valid to get -1 without a comment?

@asadz sure. Sometimes it will be obvious, sometimes it will be repetitive, sometimes it will be laziness, and sometimes its just plain all around wrongness.

No guarantee of an explanation, though it is encouraged.

and does it not depend upon the context?

so no one is reviewing biased used of negative voting

There are automated detection tools which detect and reverse deliberate multiple downvotes. AviD and I tested them and they definitely work

(Sorry again AviD) :-)

@asadz - there are also layers of review so everything mods do is transparent to other mods and we get overseen by SE staff themselves

deliberate in what sense, I'm saying that my answer has gotten a downvote where there is no reasonable explanation for it

nice good approach layers of review

Anonymous votes are a deliberate SE policy so you don't get revenge votes back on people for downvoting

9:52 AM

i understand

A reasonable explanation is 'someone thinks your answer is wrong'

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Perfectly valid and acceptable

i just guess i delete my old post and write again

Morning S.SE. Well I am just waiting when this upvote/downvote debase is going to end. @asa

@RoryAlsop hahaha

his thinking can be wrong? thats why a comment won't hurt

@void_in and i wish people stop testing voting system ON me

let me go back and get my redemption:)

brb

9:54 AM

@asadz as I said earlier, better off waiting with that a bit. Learn the community, practice communicating, focus on answering the question with positive information.

@asadz - no that is not a good choice. You will get marked down for that, not just by people but by automated tools. Self deletion of posts will impact you- if you do that enough, an automated suspension tool kicks in

No need to churn your answers right now.

well i only delete once in a post?

like i don't do it all often

well, its happened a handful of instances, in a pretty short time.

but different post all together

9:57 AM

Not something that should really be happening often - better to put more thought into the first answer. Then, update it if necessary, but dont delete+repost.

@asadz the automated tools are smart enough to correlate it back to you.

yeah i understand

but sometimes i have to re-focus the answers i can't revise it because its already plagued by downvoting...

I'm sure there is a check for someone who ONLY downvotes one specific person

like targeted downvoting?

@asadz I believe you just spend some time and slowly you will realize how a community works. May be this community is somewhat different from what you have interacted in the past. But that is how someone learns.

where is the check for that

At least my joining of this community is not to earn reputation or something. Most of us are here to learn and your learning is going on whether you get upvotes or not. Getting down vote is a concern but I guess during the past three days the only thing I have seen is the advice that you answer the question first and then you can take the debate to where ever you want.

Like the first paragraph should answer the question directly. Then you can surely say "There is another perspective to this IMHO and that is ..." and surely that would be a balance between your approach and what this community is asking

i agree points don't matter as such but I'm demanding fairness of the views

10:01 AM

@asadz yes, there is.

but I believe it is also offset by other downvotes from the community.

good

@asadz - like we already said, there is an automated tool which does that.

@asadz I really dont think anyone is targeting you. I think it just comes back to your answers - some of them are just not very good, some of them are decent informationally but not a direct answer to the specific question.

but that guy is not doing for the community sakes he does it where he can ..

@asadz the system is based on fairness - fairness being focused on providing quality information and answers, not to egos.

10:03 AM

its rather funny this direct or indirect debate has been less and i say very less questioned by the OP but the community

the offset is badddddddd.

@asadz no, it's very good.

@asadz, there is no way you can tell whether it is one person or many. So you need to sort out your assumptions, as they are wrong. If one person does this, their down votes will be reversed automatically.

If someone consistently downvotes bad answers, he shouldnt be penalized for that. "Bad answers" is defined by the community as a whole.

@RoryAlsop actually, since he often receives multiple downvotes per post, it cannot be a single person.

@asadz There is no ill will here.

perhaps a lack of patience by now...

it is bad in a way when the OP don't puts a word about a responder reply;to his question but there is such MORAL police ' who can somehow read the OP mind' and suggests that you change your answers

@AviD it could be a particular person because when such a thing happens he is always part of it;

in that case his ill will is disguised

@asadz exactly - but it is not just one. Therefore by definition, he is correct in downvoting you.

10:07 AM

No @asadz - we as a community want good answers. We as a community down vote bad answers. The community raises issues for mods to sort out behaviour issues but really everything is community focused. It works really well and is the way we expecrt everyone in the community to work

@AviD no you don't understand he may be using this system as a cover to hide his ill-will its like one bad apple in a group of good men; something like that; like there are mob that go dressed themselves as 'normal participants' in peace summits

@asadz well then if he's doing the right thing, it doesn't really matter why, does it.

doing? yeah penalizing me.

If a downvoted answer is edited and improved, you will find votes are often changed to up votes, but again, that is up to each individual. The community view filters through

anyhow, doesn't matter

i would go and revise something

thanks for chatting

10:10 AM

@asadz but as we've been telling you, don't do that.

Be a silent lurker for a while.

why?

@asadz - you are being penalised for bad answers. Please do as everyone says and learn first, then post once you know how we work here

As we've been saying, you really need to learn how this community works, how to provide quality information and quality answers.

your advice and faq doesn't applies to me even when i go back and revise my work i get downvotes still

it ain't working

penalized for someone having bad intentions

If you keep posting and revising, you will not be able to improve. That will eventually lead to being suspended.

10:11 AM

but everyone over here has a benefit of doubt but not ME

i'm the NEW GUY

@asadz perhaps you have to re-read it a little better.

@AviD i don't do this like a habit

certain cases demand such behavior..

@asadz so much NO to that... There are plenty of new guys here, and we all were once.

at this point, there is no benefit because there is no doubt - your answers are almost consistently wrong, pointless, irrelevant, or rants.

@asadz even if there is someone who has some ill-will (I doubt that BTW because most of us don't even use our own name, it is all anonymous pseudo names), it doesn't matter. Receiving one -1 and getting 20 +1 votes is a win for you. It is just your answer should be such that 20 people give you a plus. Don't focus on one negative.

I took a look at your recent answers, and honestly quite a bunch of them are downvote-worthy (though I did not yet).

10:13 AM

@AviD lol funny how you write rants

i on the opposite site of discussion seeing people unable to debate on technical merits

@void_in or rather, if there is -1 from illwill and -5 from quality issues, the ill-will is irrelevant.

defeat is called rant when you cannot accept the facts or reality;

@AviD its irrelevant coz u are not effected by it

anyhow, I will the raise this entire issue on a different level

sometimes its better to escalate and have objective view of things...

thanks everyone

@asadz for example, your latest answer regarding DDoS: one part was irrelevant (the q was specifically about DDoS, not DoS), the other part did not make much sense, as it was asking about ip-spoofing and you talk about IPS and how to prevent it.

When I downvote it's for low quality posts, not because I hate the poster

Your answers often miss the point of the question

@asadz not affected by it? As a moderator, and a member of this community, I have been spending quite a few hours discussing with you, explaining to you, trying to help you understand. Instead you are responding like a petulant pre-teen.

10:16 AM

@asadz -we are trying to teach you because the alternative is to follow the flags we are getting from the community and give you a time out. You ranting is just making this more likely to happen.

Not affected by it? I think not, I've been spending HOURS trying to improve the community vis-a-vis yourself.

And my patience, if you do not start listening and learning, with good will, will start to evaporate too.

@asadz heh. The Objective View would likely have suspended you a while ago. It is only through the patience of the moderators that it has not happened.

Yaaay! We're still doing this :D

How's everybody?

@Adnan not much longer, I promise :-)

Welcome back @asadz. How are you today?

@AviD I noticed this discussion is opened if (question.downvotes <= -2)

@Adnan that makes it pretty easy to game the system... ;-)

10:27 AM

@AviD Reading the about page? shudder

I'll start doing this. Whenever I see this, I'll just go and upvote the person's controversial answer. Hopefully it'll make the problem go away

Don't be that cruel

Awwwwh! My flat mate is amazing! He did my dishes! I love having a gay flat mate.

@CodesInChaos its exactly what he needs right now.

I hope that I don't have to pay that back with a cactus!

Security people! What's in your RSS reader?

What feeds do you follow?

10:31 AM

@AviD What's next? Geocities and myspace?

@CodesInChaos heh. if that's what works.

@Adnan mostly comics and porn.

but not gay porn, sorry @Adnan.

For me the only effect is instant close

@AviD You RSS your porn?!

No idea why they used those horrible animations

@CodesInChaos to call attention to it?

10:33 AM

@CodesInChaos in porn? That's @ScottPack's stuff

Somewhere out there is a company that has actually figured out how to enlarge penises, and it's helpless to reach potential customers.

3 points :)

@CodesInChaos Obligatory Mitchell and Webb

@AviD first Dos was an typo i have correct it second he said ' spoofed IPs' its not easy

its never is spoofing something which doesn't even have an IP doesn't make sense

frankly slicing my reply to bits won't help

but thanks for the read

:)\

[Matthew 4:10]

10:42 AM

@asadz I was trying to explain to you the problem with your answers. I find this one to be fairly typical of your answering style.

answering style

hm

[Matthew 4:10]

i see nothing wrong infact what i pointed out everyone missed

It's not working :( My life is a lie!

DoS might have been a typo, but that part of your answer does not really apply to DDoS.

10:44 AM

it does lol infact

@AviD Link, please.

Re spoofing IP, it might not be easy, but that's not what your answer said.

you saying an IPS is blind to dos or Ddos for that matte

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A: Why is it easy to detect network layer DDoS attacks?

Why DDos attacks are easy to detect? Because its in the nature of the attack; it doesn't hide itself it is no way a stealth attack its not like great white shark attacking you; its more of situation where you are being hit by huge ice-berg. Why spoofing IP is hard? Now, for technical bits, Spo...

matter

i suggest you looking signature engine of e.g cisco 5825 asa

and its license options

10:45 AM

@asadz Q: "Why is it easy to find it?" A: "Because it is not hiding". Not really answering, its just rephrasing the question.

Take a look at the other answer there.

and frankly at its core every DDoS is infact a DoS attack

so there is nothing wrong if you know on how things works on technical boundary of this attack

@asadz No, I'm saying that it is not answering the question.

gosh

spare me

i really mean it

he said something so obvious i tried to explain with simple analogy that this ATTACK is never meant to be stealth

its not in its design

how simple can i explain him

@asadz I think you need to read up a bit on how DDoS relates to DoS. While not factually wrong, it is contextually very different.

it is not

10:47 AM

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Q: What is a DoS Attack and how does it differ from a DDoS attack?

Can some one explain to me the concept of Dos Attacks for web applications ? Also what is the distinction between Dos and Distributed Dos ( ie DDos) attacks ? Wikipedia says : In computing, a denial-of-service attack (DoS attack) or distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) is an a...

web-application attacks ddos denial-of-service

and i beg to differ sadly

oh great another wikipedia link

and where is terry here

@asadz right, but the question is WHY that is so.

you are missing a vendor technology from the prespective

CISCO asa firewall

it frankly doesn't follow the wikipedia article

@asadz Thankfully. Vendor perspectives are usually slanted and often wrong.

hahah

10:50 AM

If it happens to be a required piece to explain/prove/etc, that coiuld be okay, otherwise it is extraneous and unwelcome.

lol @AviD you losing the plot fast

@asadz what article are you talking about?

you comparing a vendor technology with hmmm wikipedia?

and you know where this firewall is employed?

I have no idea what wikipedia article you are talking about.

@AviD, did the bear teach you some rare skill? I really respect your patience.

10:51 AM

i'm amazed how you approach the article

@Adnan how many year have u worked as firewall admin?

But yes, in general, Wikipedia can be trusted a hell of a lot more than a vendor's marketing material.

@AviD i ask the same for you

@asadz Oh I'm not part of this, I'm just observing.

can you explain your experience dealing with technology

@Adnan Supercalifragilisticexpialodocious.

@asadz I can tell you that I've never worked as a firewall admin even a single day in my life.

10:52 AM

I mean without any practical experience i guess you don't have a option but to quote wikipedia

@AviD you don't have to tell

I have consulted to and adviced many such teams, though. Some of the largest in the world.

i can see

and the same applies to @Adnan god bless this forum

And I spent several months developing some of the largest firewall software out there.

i will take a back seat now

@asadz, Where are you from? If I may ask.

10:53 AM

@asadz well, yeah, network is not my forte. I'm an apps guy.

largest? firewall i love to see your research on DoS pervention

@asadz WHAT WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE?? I havent quoted one in days.

@Adnan you can try googling me:)

@asadz again, we are talking about DDoS. my research on DoS (yes, there is an ample amount of high level research on that) applies to Application-level DoS.

just the way you find my answers...

10:55 AM

@asadz I prefer asking you. Adult to adult.

and @asadz, contrary to what @Adnan thinks, my patience is wearing through.

your petulant juvenile attitude is tiring.

@Avid that two different things I was thinking for any discussion we at least the compare philosophy not do apples and oranges comparison

apps firewall versus hardware firewalls

Take a break, really. Now.

@asadz no, I was not talking firewalls at all.

@AviD i would suggest the same to you

@asadz heh, you sound like my little kids.

Right before they get sent to their room.

10:57 AM

you talking about terry lol

yeah i know him

Now, if you'll excuse me, I do have some work to do.

Gentlemen. @Beth.

@AviD See ya

@avid - my vote is for shog's solution now. @asadz is obviously trolling

@RoryAlsop would you please spare me some research time

i'm trying to find a hard fact article on cisco asa ddos pervention

@RoryAlsop I tend to agree, but let's wait for the next instance? I think this is more a case of teenage petulance than actual Anderw-style trolling.

11:01 AM

Not when your behaviour is like this, no

i will get back on trolling in a real smart way

@RoryAlsop But this is, however, a very peculiar type.

Research is very different

You are acting like a stroppy child

yeah someone lack of knowledge is worse being called troll

This behaviour is not welcome

11:02 AM

There seems to be no self-awareness whatsoever.

frankly application fw versus hardware firewall i mean quiet a nice comparision

i don't know where to start now

but @AviD will learn soon the difference

@asadz, I agree with you, you have very nice answers. One day you'll be a great asset to the community

wait, those are not the same thing?? Duhh.

@Adnan - I agree. @avid - I defer to you. I cannot do it easily from this device

Now let's put this aside and go back to our business. Or talk about something else. Ha?

I say great idea.

11:06 AM

@RoryAlsop I reckon trolling as well...

@D3C4FF Canon EOS 5D MkIII!! Now that is a nice toy

I love it!

Its an awesome pice of kit.

@D3C4FF Every week I borrow it from a friend to take a video (YouTube channel). I don't really understand most of the options, he just sets everything for me. Super great quality.

@Adnan do you do any photog?

Ah... So for filming only?

@D3C4FF In the teenage years, but you know how it is, everyone is a photographer in that age.

11:14 AM

Hahaha yeah. I started with it when i was quite young using point and shoot cameras... It was mainly as documentation for my explorings... but now its become almost a second profession :)

So, @asadz - explain to me why you decide to deliberately insult a mod who is trying to help you.

@D3C4FF Nice! As for me, I don't have the artistic talent for it.

@D3C4FF, long time ago, I had to prepare a presentation about Newtonian fluids.

@RoryAlsop He can't answer.

I could have, of course, taken some images from Google. But I decided to take my own

That's how I started to like cameras

Awesome :D

11:18 AM

Yup, here it is.

Pretty bad, but I was very happy with it. You know.

I've done some shots of cornstarch and water on subwoofers before. Makes for great pix

@RoryAlsop I think 7 is a good start. Considered less, figured I'd go with the default.

It's my photo. I took it. Splashing water!! Damn.. Now I recall my happiness

@D3C4FF oo, sounds yummy.

@AviD yeah, not the most tasty but fascinating to play with and beautiful to photograph...

11:19 AM

@D3C4FF Samples samples samples!

I'm on my laptop unfortunately... but this should give you an idea.... youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yp1wUodQgqQ

I've heard ultrasonics work even crazier

@Adnan I always figure if you're good at 'hacking' (which i find to be quite a creative process) then there's much enjoyment to be had from photography. Both are exploring in a sense...

But maybe i'm still a crazy young kid with to much time on my hands

:P

@D3C4FF Maybe :)

If you get a gig from time to time doing it though, at least you can't say its a waste of money :P

11:51 AM

@avid - sounds good to me

@adnan - my final years physics project required photographing water droplets to figure out where the sound came from

@RoryAlsop One guy borrowed some high-speed video camera and destroyed all of us. He made a freaking video

But as far as I remember, there were more than two droplets

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