we appear to be awash in blue!

yes all you blue people, go away :)

@DavidFreitag Sure can. Looking.

@AdamLear Thanks.. I was hoping to get a resolution before anyone did anything they might regret but I think I was a bit late on that.

oh dude @DavidFreitag I won't regret it

@DavidFreitag anyways i learned that @AdamLear exists and his existence makes me happy so I'm calling this a win

@TildalWave If that proves to be true, then I apologize for getting into your business. I just don't like it when my friends take self-destructive paths

@Ohnana That's exactly what they want you to think.

@DavidFreitag Dude, what self-destructive path are you talking about? If anything, I'm liberating myself.

@DavidFreitag is adam a synth??? :OOOO

I can neither confirm nor deny...

so SE thinks that moderation is about beating around the bush and wasting each others time... I'm fine with that if I'm not a mod

I more than obviously wasn't when I was one

blue wave!

I feel so special not being blue. Apart from the blue avatar thing which kinda spoils it.

I'm just a regular black on white now ;) frankly, it feels pretty good, I kinda calmed down as soon as that diamond was gone, honestly weird

@TildalWave Like I said if that's the case than so be it. It's just that the two of you bickering and acting like children isn't ok, so please do grow up.

no more refreshing 20 pages for who's done what like some hound fed on leftovers

Glad to hear you're less stressed now. Moderation is certainly ... an experience. And one that not everyone enjoys. :)

@AdamLear are you giving us life advice here?

actually, no that explains so much about the mod team here

@TildalWave Yeah for some reason I thought that when you said "I give up on SE" you meant you were leaving forever, not just de-modding.

now i feel bad for all the stick poking i've done

;-;

@Ohnana It's a sub-specialty of mine.

@AdamLear I was and still am a mod on some other networks, including some of my own sites... I never really brought that up because I thought it's irrelevant,... but you really need to think this moderation thing through on SE, because at places you talk about trust, in other places you invalidate that by kicking it around

which one is it?

Wanna give me some context on that one?

seriously, if you trust some users to do something for others, you don't ask them to call in the forces when they're implicated, you either trust them, or you don't

there's no middle ground here

I have no idea what you're talking about.

as a mod, if I'm in the middle of something, I'm supposed to ask for help by other mods or CMs

@TildalWave Yes, why is that a problem? If you're in the middle of something it's difficult to be unbiased, and a bias can lead to unfair treatment.

@AdamLear hi

@MarkBuffalo hiya

An SE dev in here?!

@MarkBuffalo ikr? we are in the presence of a holy one

@Ohnana Huh? No... you misunderstand. I want to punish him

I bet @AdamLear saw my chat extensions for chrome and he's here to ask me about them.

@MarkBuffalo rood

(ʘ ͜ʖ ʘ)

sassing backend people is not a good life choice

@MarkBuffalo Do you worst.

@DavidFreitag no it isn't difficult ... e.g. in that case up, comments were used to extend the question which it wasn't asked by those commenting... that's not what comments are there for and would in other circumstances be deleted as not constructive, with request to move discussion in chat ... something I could have done myself, if it wasn't for the mislaid trust policy

none of this would even be an issue if mods were actually trusted by SE to ... you know, moderate

@TildalWave There's this old saying that goes something like this... "Don't feed the trolls" and by continuing to comment you did just that.

@DavidFreitag exactly, and now that I'm not a mod I can just ignore them

@AdamLear Here we go. hug

before, not really

@TildalWave Still not sure on what you're getting at there. We trust mods to moderate... If we didn't, we wouldn't give mods access to a whole bunch of tools and info that's not otherwise available to regular users.

@AdamLear you don't trust mods to moderate when something pertains to them directly

@TildalWave Eh, that's not a matter of trust.

You can moderate stuff that pertains to you directly. Tools don't prohibit it.

@AdamLear I think what he's trying to say is this: a moderator fills the dual-role of police-person and contributor. A comment "attacking" an answer requires a defence of the contribution, or so it can seem.

@TildalWave that's a conflict of interest, it's best to let someone else step in at those times

It's just usually a bad idea from the point of view of conflict of interest.

@AdamLear can, but am not supposed to

Let's order some food!

It's not a judgement against you, it's that it usually comes off weird if you're trying to diffuse whatever situation is at hand.

It's not our policy. It's literally how humans work.

@DavidFreitag I am getting some DAngelos delivered. YOu want in?

@bluefeet This is exactly what I've been trying to tell him, but for some reason this is completely unacceptable to him.

@AdamLear <3

In any case, I still think that it is far too easy to comment on StackExchange.

@MarkBuffalo :)

@AdamLear mods aren't humans in a normal sense, as soon as you learn not to abuse the trust and work for the better of the community, you're already different than "statistical average" and "how that plays out most of the times"

Everyone star it so the people who aren't here know we chatted up an SE deity.

@TildalWave I've worked with a lot of mods. I even was a mod before my employment here. Sadly... mods are human. :)

That actually is a super handy defense for any mistakes (which do happen). "Mods are human, we screwed up. Sorry!"

So @AdamLear out of sheer curiosity why did you end up in here? Hear about how awesome it is in here around the water cooler? :D

@AdamLear I thought we were monkeys?

@bluefeet only if they have guns in there hands

@DavidFreitag i'd bet my nonexistant left nut that LRIO tipped him off

@AdamLear exactly

The mods we have who have served the longest across the network are the ones who are exceptionally good at stepping away from the keyboard. They are the ones who don't burn out.

@Ohnana LRIO?

@bluefeet That species is spelt "modrator".

@DavidFreitag the other half of the spat

@DavidFreitag Lunatic-Reject In Oregon.

@DavidFreitag Let's go with that. :)

All of the pings

@diagprov you are correct

"who has guns"

Winning

@Ohnana Oh, I do words good

@JukEboX Do they deliver?

@DavidFreitag yes sir

The one here does. Just called them.

Where hands?

@bluefeet meme makers are just monkeys, who have really bad grammar

@JukEboX Hahaha, I doubt they are going to drive an hour to my house to bring me a sammich :3

I am sure there is on near you

let me check

@JukEboX There is, right up the road

They don't deliver?

@JukEboX I've only been once and I wasn't buying

@AdamLear As in making mistakes? Sure... and I didn't mean that mods aren't regular humans in that regard, I meant that giving out trust you should be able to soon learn if that was abused or not, and those that don't abuse it are, in a sense, more trustworthy than average. And that moderation policy should reflect that.

@bluefeet the last time I saw this flag weight was a thing. Oh the fun.

@schroeder meme makers is just monkeys who has really bad grammars

@TildalWave I'm sorry if whatever we did came off as a lack of trust. All we do is to protect moderators to the best of our ability.

@AdamLear Well, for the most part, whenever I was angered by someone, I'd get in reply life coaching by other mods, most just kids in my eyes really. That gets tiring, is less than helpful, and frankly condescending.

@TildalWave Fair. Although I can't help but note that seeing other people as "just kids" is also pretty condescending.

@AdamLear I'm 42,... most active members here, mods inclusive, are kids

it's not condescending ... I wish I was "just a kid" too

@TildalWave shut-it you youngster :-)

Hahaha

LOL

Eh, if you think what they're telling you is condescending because they're "just kids" even though they're adults, you are also being condescending. You get out of relationships what you put into them.

I want to group hug...

...awkward

@MarkBuffalo And you have the nerve to call me a weirdo.

Anyway, just about dinner time here. :) I hope you stick around, @TildalWave, and enjoy yourself more without a diamond weighing you down.

Thanks @AdamLear you have a good one too

@AdamLear Thanks for stopping by (◕ᴥ◕)

@RoryAlsop Come to papa.

@MarkBuffalo Someone's been reading Oglaf...

Guilty... :/

But I haven't read "that" comic you're referring to.

Yay for oglaf

@TildalWave So you gave up your modship thing?

aye

ah, well

I hope you stick around...

We like having you here

actually moths ago, but that email hasn't been read I guess... or ignored on purpose

I think...

@TildalWave Good, that means I can jab you with a sharpened stick with impunity :]

I'll probably be here on sec.se more than I was

like I used to be

A "pointed stick", David

@RoryAlsop Aren't all sticks kinda pointy?

@DavidFreitag like my diamond ever stopped you

@TildalWave Nah it didn't ༼つಠ益ಠ༽つ ─=≡ΣO))

If it wasn't a pointy stick wouldn't be a... log? Tree trunk?

@RoryAlsop What's the difference?

@diagprov dowel

@Ohnana Ever put a dowel in a pencil sharpener?

@Ohnana but... it has a point! It's just a blunt (very) one.

@diagprov ....

Sorry that took a while - tiny mobile devices

You should watch the full sketch

@RoryAlsop Should have known it was a Monty Python reference

You haven't seen the defence against fresh fruit sketch before?

@RoryAlsop The only Monty Python I've seen is The Holy Grail

And possibly a few small bits of The Life of Brian and The Flying Circus

Dude - you need to rectify this asap (or stat or whatever)

@RoryAlsop faulty towers?

No. Monty Python

@RoryAlsop No I mean it's as funny as Monty Python

@JukEboX Yes.

@JukEboX similar, but less so - I think FT only had 6 episodes ever made :-(

@RoryAlsop true. Monty Python is one of those comedies that people even love or they don't

What I really love is The IT Crowd

@JukEboX heh - yes. One of the best documentaries on TV

@RoryAlsop I did end up watching "Keep Up Appearances" a lot with my parents and grandparents. That is funny in a different way