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3:00 PM
so it was worse (or better) than I thought - 24 hours after the 1st site.
 
Nothing to install is a terrible name for an SE site.
 
totally agree.
also, that is soooo 2008.
 
@AviD Found there's also AskDifferent and CrossValidated.
 
Also, who thought individual domain names for SE sites was a good idea?
 
Web apps are totally not about not installing. thats just silly.
@Iszi but those are site names, not domain names.
 
3:01 PM
wait, who thought this was a good idea?
 
@AviD Try 'em
 
@DavidFreitag Joel.
 
(.com TLD of course)
 
@Iszi heh. interesting.
 
> "Right, and don't include Whale Fart as any part of your domain name." - Joel Spolsky 2010
 
3:04 PM
next week: stack exchange sites are only accessible via carrier pigeon
 
@DavidFreitag WE SHOULD TOTALLY NAME THE SITE WHALE FART
hell I'm buying WhaleFart.com and pointing it at sec.se
4
 
do eeet
 
Try to do a domain hack
do we have .rt ?
whalefa.rt
 
@etherealflux No. whalefart.com is better.
 
whalefart.io
 
3:06 PM
@etherealflux Stop being a cool kid.
 
@Simon I can't hear you over this innovation cloud
 
> 3..coms are a million times better than other TLDs.
how dated.
 
Who suggested that SE buy the .se TLD? That would actually be good - a chunk of the problem, according to Joel's post, appears to be similar to that of parking spaces: all the good ones are taken, and the rest are handicapped.
Own a TLD and you fix that.
 
@Iszi The se tld exists already...
 
that... is an incredible idea.
Security.se
awesomeness
 
3:08 PM
@DavidFreitag use a weird unicode character instead of an e
 
@DavidFreitag How about .stack or .stackexchange?
Or maybe .SEx?
 
@Iszi Too long
@Iszi Too nsfw
 
Yeah, you wanna type .stackexchange?
 
@etherealflux Too difficult to type
 
@Simon Beats .stackexchange.com - by four characters, if nothing else.
 
3:09 PM
@DavidFreitag Stack Exchange is no place for plebs who can't memorize the entire unicode characterset
 
@etherealflux Pleb? Are you British?
 
@etherealflux Who said anything about memorizing unicode characters? I said too difficult to type
 
rekt
 
@etherealflux Oh yeah? Try pinging @RоryMcCune, then. Without using autocomplete.
 
I was wondering why I could never type it correctly..
 
3:11 PM
@etherealflux heh it's an Ambiguous Rory'ing Prevention method
 
@etherealflux Yeah, that's not a real "o". Like @Simon's mom last night.
 
p
l
s
 
2 mins ago, by David Freitag
@etherealflux Who said anything about memorizing unicode characters? I said too difficult to type
 
@Simon I would have laughed my ass off if someone had interrupted that.
 
@DavidFreitag thats not the problem. you have any idea how expensive that domain would be?
and how disappointed most visitors would be...
 
3:13 PM
@AviD Like @Simon's mom, too!
 
all
 
@DavidFreitag It'd be both difficult to type and impractical if you didn't have a way to readily input unicode off the top of your head
which makes it perfect :D
 
@Iszi the other way around, ymean
funny, thats what @Simon's mom said, too
BOOM
 
@etherealflux If you perfect you mean nurdy, sure son, sure.
 
@AviD I'm implying that most of @Simon's mom's visitors are disappointed.
 
3:15 PM
@Iszi but you said SHE would be disappointed
 
I think everyone winds up disappointed
 
also, wouldnt that mean the opposite of what you were trying to imply?
 
@AviD So, I was comparing her to the domain - not the visitors.
 
@etherealflux Doesn't matter had sex.
 
@Iszi Probably, my mom is 57 you ultimate donut.
 
3:15 PM
hey @Simon want to do me a favour... Tell your mum about this site and get her to visit... this would be.... amusing
 
ah.
 
@RоryMcCune She doesn't speak English.
 
@AviD The offensive implication here is that @Simon's mom is both promiscuous, and bad in bed.
 
@RоryMcCune I picture her like Penguin's mom in Gotham.
 
@Simon darn. she could scold them in French then, it's a good language for insults
 
3:16 PM
@Iszi or that she is NOT, and thus everyone is rebuffed.
 
@Simon Then it would be really amusing.
 
@RоryMcCune Hungarian.
 
@AviD that.. is an obscure joke
 
@Simon For your sake, I hope not.
 
wat
 
3:17 PM
@RоryMcCune it was like, 4 lines up.
 
Wow, mint is kinda dumb lately... it decided to label every paypal purchase as Steam Games. I freaked out a lot.
 
1 min ago, by AviD
@RоryMcCune I picture her like Penguin's mom in Gotham.
 
@AviD ahh I thought you were making reference to the classic Monty Python sketch
 
@DavidFreitag bash.org/?21516 (NSFW - Text)
 
3:18 PM
@Iszi Woah that's a bit nsfw.
 
^
 
Know what's really sad? I looked up that reference by having remembered the guy's real name.
@DavidFreitag Textual language, sure.
But that should be expected for most of bash.org anyway.
 
@Iszi It was text right up until my brain loaded up some nsfw images from my hard drive.
 
... you saved NSFW images in your hdd?
 
@Iszi I don't really read bash.org
@Simon My brain has an autosave feature.
 
3:20 PM
You kids need to learn about streaming.
o
 
@Simon but what happens when link rot strikes?
or when north korean hackers ddos your ram?
 
North Koreans are too busy being oppressed.
 
@Simon pfft that's easy I can DoS your RAM with JavaScript
 
@RоryMcCune s/JavaScript/Chrome
 
Fortunately they generally don't target normal useALL GLORY TO KIM JONG UN GLORIOUS PEOPLE'S LEADER
 
3:24 PM
@DavidFreitag well in this case I was thinking RowHammer.JS
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah but he meant system ram, not cache memory.
 
I FELL IN LOVE WITH A GIRL AT THE ROCK SHOW
 
@etherealflux ALL HAIL HYPNOTOAD
 
@DavidFreitag is rowhammer just cache ram?
 
@Simon Oh man that's like high school shit right there
@RоryMcCune dram...
Row hammer (also written as rowhammer) is an unintended side effect in dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) that causes memory cells to leak their charges and interact electrically between themselves, possibly altering the content of nearby memory rows that actually were not addressed in the original memory access. This circumvention of the DRAM memory cells isolation results from the high cell density in modern DRAM, and can be triggered by specially crafted memory access patterns that rapidly activate the same memory rows numerous times. The row hammer effect has been used in some privileg...
 
3:26 PM
@DavidFreitag sorry for being stupid but to me DRAM is standard system memory
 
I mean technically you could use dram for your system memory but it would be either hideously expensive or seriously inadequate.
@RоryMcCune That's sram
 
That's pretty neat
 
@DavidFreitag eh, I buy DDR3 SDRAM for my system
 
@RоryMcCune Turns out I have it backwards
 
ahh, thought I was losing it there :op
 
3:30 PM
But they did use sram for system memory
But the github for that rowhammer.js is a bit confusing. github.com/IAIK/rowhammerjs
 
@Iszi Of course :-)
@RоryMcCune I knew it - Rosicruicians and Illuminati everywhere!
 
if you have android .. may want to avoid receiving MMS messages for a bit .... forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/07/27/android-text-attacks
 
just as well all the Android vendors provide timely and long lived security update support for all their handsets
 
@RоryMcCune Good thing I use hangouts...
 
3:35 PM
@DavidFreitag Are they gonna release a half done firmware again?
 
@Simon They never released half-done firmware.
 
@DavidFreitag yeah I'm wondering if this would be wormable.. that could be ... interesting
 
So I can't root my S3 if I want to, but people can text me to get superuser status?
 
@etherealflux sounds like it
 
@DavidFreitag The OS they've released to replace Cyanogenmod is buggy as hell.
OxygenOS they've called it I think?
 
3:37 PM
@Simon That's not firmware.
 
@Simon all the variety :-)
 
What is it then?
@RoryAlsop rooooroooooo
 
My kernel is too new to be towelrooted
but s-sure, I really do want the Galaxy App Store!
thanks Samsung!
 
@Simon It's an operating system...
 
@DavidFreitag IIRC, in the Android world, people refer to OS as firmware.
 
3:39 PM
@Simon That does not make them correct.
 
pls
 
Firmware is the glue between the hardware and the software.
 
which is kind of what an OS is
actually literally what an OS is
I usually call something firmware if it has a very basic feature set or is on a specialty device, such as my DSLR
 
How many times do I have to repeat that it's ADSR?
 
@RоryMcCune Is there an easy way for Android phones to recognize other Android users in the phone book, like iPhone can use iMessage for iOS users?
 
3:41 PM
@etherealflux Ah, no, not quite. A BIOS or UEFI is a type of firmware.
 
@Simon I was catching up on the transcript - hopefully confusing folks along the way
 
@Iszi hmm android's not really my bag, my intuition would be no, but I could be wrong.. I could see samsung having something like that for other samsung users, but not so much general android...
 
It's very hadrware specific.
 
@Simon Attack-Decay-Sustain-Release?
this isn't a keyboard (:
 
@RoryAlsop Those would be very old folks, since it wasn't confusing at all.
@etherealflux Bingo!
 
3:43 PM
@DavidFreitag Is the BIOS still involved in the operation of the machine after the OS loads? I haven't delved too deep into low-level computing as of yet
 
@etherealflux Yes
 
I know it can be infected to compromise the machine
 
If it's possible, and you can easily execute arbitrary code and elevate privileges, worming should be simple:

1. Infect Patient Zero
2. Search Patient Zero's phonebook for Android users. (If none found, just target all mobile numbers.)
3. Send infected MMS to all targets.
4. _______________
5. Profit!
 
@Iszi Amazing.
 
@Iszi sounds about right and with full disclosure next week (apparently info is around now if you know where to look) the attacks can't be far off
could be a bad day to run a corp. with a load of Android users....
hopefully though this might put pressure on Samsung et al to actually have a patch management policy and published support lifecycles for their kit
 
3:45 PM
@RоryMcCune Ooh - we can dream!
 
@Iszi Good thing I don't have any friends.
 
Yeah. Further demonstration that manufacturers and carriers need to be taken out of the middle of security update distribution.
 
I'd really like to move to a Nexus
 
@etherealflux Love my Nexus 5.
 
that way, I might be able to get a system update before the universe collapses
 
3:46 PM
@Iszi indeed. either removed or made liable for issues caused by their lack of action
 
I'm still on android 4.3
 
@etherealflux All but my OG droid were nexus (ok and my oneplus one...) and they are awesome.
 
somehow
 
@etherealflux loooolnooob
 
@Simon What color did you get?
 
3:47 PM
@DavidFreitag Black.
 
@Simon Me too.
 
It's the phone my donut used to have before she got her Oneplus One.
She regrets her decision.
 
I think all our currently in-use devices here are on at least 5.0.x and I think one or two are 5.1? Think Hamish updated his S5 a couple of days ago
 
Haha, just like me
@Simon wat why?
 
@Simon how?
 
3:48 PM
I'll get a nexus 6 or something once my S3 kicks the bucket
 
It's buggy.
She watches video on FB then suddenly it feezes.
 
@etherealflux No don't 6 is death
 
The GPS is buggy.
Stuff like that.
 
@Simon I call that a feature.
@Simon Never had any issues.
 
@Simon I have zero bugs on mine (well, occasionally it does go into rapid battery discharge - maybe three times so far)
 
3:49 PM
@RoryAlsop Dude mine does that too..
 
not got to the bottom of that one, but then the S5 and S4 do that occasionally
 
Reboot it and it's fine again.
 
@DavidFreitag Does it give you ebola?
 
@RoryAlsop That used to happen to me on Cyanogenmod too.
It's like if the phone is stuck in a loop.
 
the GPS on my phone is a bit wonky, but I think that's because I have a huge battery that covers the entire back of the phone
 
3:49 PM
@etherealflux It's the most non-nexus nexus that has ever existed.
 
@DavidFreitag threatpost.com/… apparently this affects hangouts too....
indeed anything that processes media files and uses this code (apparently FFox had the issue but patched)
 
this is why we don't give privileges out like candy
@DavidFreitag So ebola, then?
 
@etherealflux I don't know, I don't have one. But if you have more money than sense, go for it.
 
I'd just get an iPhone if I wanted to spend that much on a device.
 
3:52 PM
Hence why the N5 is perfect. It's really affordable and behaves better than most of the Samsung I assume.
And you're gonna pay a lot for those Samsung devices.
 
So apparently if fedex tries to deliver a package to you that requires a signature and you aren't there, they stick a thing on your door and you can sign it so they don't need you the next time they show up.
@Simon That's exactly why I love the oneplus.
 
@Simon That said, my iRig2 guitar interface currently works best on the Samsung Audio hardware... so I need to use the S5 I gave to my son for that.
 
Granted the oneplus should've come with a huge disclaimer in giant bold flashing red text that said "Beware, thar be dragons"
 
@RoryAlsop What does iRig2 do?
Also, how old is your son to own an S5? :p
 
@RoryAlsop If there's one thing that can be said about Samsung, it's that they use high quality audio dac's.
@Simon LUNCH!
 
3:55 PM
@DavidFreitag IN 5!
 
YEARS
 
@Simon It was my old S5. I rarely break old kit, so I gave it to him, he passed on the previous S4 to his younger sister, who passed on an old HTC Desire HD to my youngest
@Simon cool stuff that I don't actually need but is cool: ikmultimedia.com/products/irig2
 
@RoryAlsop That's the way it should work, well done :p
 
@RoryAlsop did you enter your name into the oneplus 2 queue?
 
@RoryAlsop Yup, looks like a cool device to own.
 
3:58 PM
@DavidFreitag No - just reading it now
 
@RoryAlsop Let me know if you want to enter the queue, I can give you a link to bump my name up :D
 
@DavidFreitag So, queue 3?
 
@Iszi Yes, go to queue 3, and then wait two hours. Of course, the paperwork you have isn't correct for queue 3 so you'll have to come back here, to queue 2, and wait another two hours for the correct paperwork.
 
@DavidFreitag cool - yes please
 
4:00 PM
Yay, hopefully that will jump me ahead 277,816 places :P
 
@DavidFreitag ah - I see
I understand now
 
raz
4:31 PM
I do love my OnePlus One, but since it's awesome I don't need a replacement after just 6 months
I'm excited to see the full specs of the oneplus2, It's supposed to be smaller in size
 
@raz I know I'm finding it really difficult to consider paying for a new phone
 
raz
@DavidFreitag Fingerprint reader would be nice, along with USB-C. I might just wait until OnePlus3 comes out
 
Although from some of the leaked pictures, it seems like it might have a hardware home button which is pretty offputting
 
raz
@DavidFreitag I think that's for the fingerprint reader.
 
There isn't really anything that I can think of that needs to be improved over the original oneplus one. Perhaps make the speakers less loud and improve the camera, but that's it really.
@raz I'm not a fan.
 
4:37 PM
@DavidFreitag I was thinking they are awesomely cheap... but then I was comparing with iPhones etc
 
raz
I'm a little weary of the Oxygen OS
 
@RoryAlsop If the oneplus 2 follows the one, then $350 is really cheap for a prime-spec phone, but yeah that isn't cheap.
 
raz
@DavidFreitag I like that the speakers can go loud. I think the camera is fine, 13MP is more than enough for me.
 
@raz Good thing you can unlock the bootloader and put whatever you want on there..
 
raz
@DavidFreitag haha, true story
 
4:39 PM
@raz Yes but the speakers go so loud that they crackle.
 
raz
@DavidFreitag So the solution is better speakers :D
 
@DavidFreitag moving the speakers to somewhere more stereo would probably be good, but as I don't listen to music or watch videos on a phone, that's fine
@DavidFreitag mine don't do that
Is that on Oxygen or Cyanogen
 
@RoryAlsop If I play a particularly loud song I can hear distortions because its so loud
 
raz
Mine's on CM
 
@DavidFreitag hmmm - nope, I dont get that at all
 
4:40 PM
@RoryAlsop Neither, I'm running Exodus
 
raz
It depends on the song, but I generally just plug in my shure 215's. Life is good
 
@DavidFreitag oh - how does that stack up against CM
 
I mean, it could be the rom but the one I had before this did that too.
@RoryAlsop Less features and less bugs. Lots of security patches.
 
raz
I've heard good things about exodus, haven't rooted the OP1 yet though
 
@raz 99% of the time I am listening via bluetooth, but when I'm alone at work and on the production floor I'll blast music with it.
Franco kernel + Exodus = the closes thing to bugless beast you can get
 
raz
4:42 PM
It'll be interesting to see what they come out with tonight.
Although I'll probably be asleep at 10pm EST
 
I'll bet it's the oneplus 2.
 
raz
It is, I'm just interested in seeing the real specs and real pictures.
Can't trust anyone on the internet
 
But won't you be watching the keynote over the internet?
@raz I know it is, that was a joke.
Sarcasm.
 
raz
lol
I'll youtube it tomorrow :D
Stream it on the way to work over my op1
That way I can One plus while I One Plus
 
Oh yeah data for you donuts costs nothing on your phones.
 
4:45 PM
I pay $40/mo for 500MB
 
wat
 
I have told you this on multiple occasions.
 
Hey
Just checking-in
 
raz
I wonder if the OP2 will also come with a dropbox 1T storage deal
@M'vy syn,ack
 
@raz Why would they do that...?
 
raz
4:51 PM
@DavidFreitag I pay $40 for a gig
@DavidFreitag They did it for the OP1 eventually, to allow for secure backups to the cloud.
 
hehe
 
raz
@DavidFreitag that's hilarious
 
raz
@DavidFreitag Yeah no that takes the cake
But any joke at Microsoft's expense is a good one.
 
4:55 PM
@raz @Iszi really likes that one (pretty sure he has windows phone)
Come to think of it, doesn't @AviD also have windows phone?
 
raz
@DavidFreitag I thought they all fell apart
 
@raz They what? The phones?
 
@DavidFreitag Nah, the Nokias at least have been pretty solid. Much of my family has been on 9xx, 10xx, or 15xx for a couple years.
 
@Iszi I don't think there has ever been a nokia in existence that wasn't a brick dunney.
 
@Iszi Is your family single?
 
4:58 PM
@Simon Not a lot of it.
 
Twitch doesn't work on this macbook, but I can get the app on my phone
good
 
How on earth wouldn't Twitch work on any device?
 

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