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12:00 AM
I'm studying and I like to listen to music while I'm at it. Unfortunately, I get bored with my collection quite often and I went to this random "public radio" site and I really liked a song on there
So apparently now I really like Sia
 
Ironically I freaking hate the song "Chandelier"
 
looks disturbingly bad, even more so than Piranha 3D (Richard Dreyfuss is in it really just for a few seconds and the rest is just flashing titties which of course is brilliant LOL)
 
@TildalWave I raise you... Sharktopus
 
@Kisunminttu Watched it
 
12:03 AM
(What's with the ladies in bikinis?)
@TildalWave Lol just read your comment. So that's why :P
 
there's also one where a giant shark jumps so high it chops an airliner off the air ... forgot which one that is
 
I watched the first 10 minutes of Piranha 3DD
 
@Kisunminttu I'm only human :)
 
@TildalWave What does that make me, then :(
 
@Kisunminttu c'mon my missus was laughing at these so hard just that was worth it
 
12:06 AM
@TildalWave Made me laugh :D
Anyway, I vote for Sharktopus. It has titties and jiggly butts
 
we'd sometimes watch The Mist just because it's so damn awful it's almost good
Passenger dude: I'm getting married in two days. Stewardess: You'll be fine. :D
 
@TildalWave Wow.
Yep, greatest movie scene ever
 
 
2 hours later…
2:04 AM
> Python has batteries included, and that’s great, except that many of the batteries are from like 1970 and nobody remembers why we need them any more.
 
 
2 hours later…
3:45 AM
if anyone wanna watch a live launch
T-5 min.
 
4:40 AM
Assume that we aren't concerned about privacy — eMAD 32 mins ago
Whoops
 
5:02 AM
nope that's config question for Super User
 
 
4 hours later…
9:01 AM
Hello DMZ!
 
@M'vy mornin'
 
How are you today? You spoke well on friday?
 
@M'vy yeah not so bad, starting a new test today, so a new site to get to grips with
talk seemed to go ok, I hit my timing ok and my demo worked
always two good things
 
Indeed
@RоryMcCune Securi-tay has such a bad google referencing :S
 
@M'vy yeah it's not a good name from a search perspective for sure..
 
9:08 AM
Oh ok... in fact you need to spell the dash otherwise it's on google second page
 
it's getting to be quite a big conf. now, they had like 300+ people at it
 
@RоryMcCune wow that's nice :P
 
@M'vy yeah well it started out as something just for the students really about 4 years back and this year they had some good sponorship deals and some relatively big name speakers, so nice to see it develop
 
I hope to see the video soon. I really need to get back into a security project I guess.
 
@M'vy yeah they were definitely videoing things, although I think there were some tech problems which might affect some of the talks :(
 
9:16 AM
@RоryMcCune ooo soooo innovative. Welcome to IE8.
@Kisunminttu see? This is why you're awesome.
 
@RоryMcCune I guess "site:security.stackexchange.com <search string>" was too taxing for you?
 
it's almost 32 chars ! :)
 
@Flyk @AviD morning to the sarcy twins, you two get out of bed the wrong side today ? :op
I was just pointing out a potentially useful new feature
 
@M'vy not after the first time you do it, it's 7 after the first time
 
@RоryMcCune less useful than you think. thats why IE took it out a few versions ago (I think.... might still be there??)
 
9:19 AM
@RоryMcCune it may be a useful feature, but it's surrounded by Firefox
 
@Flyk ha! yes this.
 
@Flyk which makes it even more awesome!
FFox FTW
 
@RоryMcCune no
 
@TildalWave is that like a parody?
 
@Flyk @AviD what are the alternatives. IE (one release every yawn years) or chrome (give ALL THE DATA to google)
If I wanted someone to watch everything I typed I'd go back to working in an open plan office
 
9:20 AM
@RоryMcCune that's fine, giving all the data to google is not a problem, just make that data as useless as possible
 
@RоryMcCune hmm. A browser that works well, or a memory hog that ostensibly claims for privacy whereas none actually exists.
 
it's not like you're not giving your data to google by using firefox
google chrome has nothing on android for data collection, anyway
 
@AviD sure if you stay on old people sites I'm sure it works fine. and privacy does exist you just have to work at it and realise the limitations
@Flyk sure so it's sligtly less invasive than something horribly invasive, not the best selling point ever
@Flyk FFox default search provider isn't google any more :)
 
@RоryMcCune that doesn't negate my statement
 
@RоryMcCune I meant, doesnt exist with firefox.
 
9:26 AM
@Flyk what data do you think FFox is sharing with google then?
 
@RоryMcCune Is it stackoverflow already?
 
@AviD really it has privacy benefits over chrome and isn't a massive ad selling corporation that feeds off your personal data?
@M'vy might as well be :)
 
wut
sounds like Firefox is made by Apple, with that reality distortion field.
 
@AviD what benefits. Try typing in the address bar in chrome or IE. every keystroke goes to the respective corp
@AviD same thing in ffox doesn't happen
to me that's a privacy benefit
 
oh you mean Firefox doesn't predicatively search for you?
 
9:28 AM
where does it go then?
 
@AviD nope just don't get the ffox hate people seem to have
 
jeez, even IE6 did that
 
@Flyk correct
@AviD it doesn't no predictive address bar search
 
are you saying Firefox has less useful features than IE6?
 
that's why ffox has a separate search box
 
9:28 AM
@Flyk @RоryMcCune sounds like a massive feature hole.
 
@AviD @Flyk nope conscious choice to keep them separate
which makes sense to me
 
@AviD you can predict with the search bar though
 
if I want to search I can use the search bar
 
why would you keep them separate? It's a better user experience to have one box to rule them all
 
where I know that I'm searching
@Flyk internal URLs all sent to an american corp
yeah I can't see any privacy/security problems with that
 
9:29 AM
@RоryMcCune boo hoo, I'm sure they're interested in your sharepoint install
it's not like Microsoft didn't already have a copy of that for the NSA to browse without hacking your network
 
@Flyk some companies do have sensitive data on internal servers you know
 
@Flyk It's not like the NSA didn't already have a copy of that without asking Microsoft
 
@RоryMcCune most of those companies don't store their super sensitive data in the URL, though
 
@Flyk yeah metadata about content never has any meaning or value does it
just like the NSA would like you to believe
 
9:32 AM
@Flyk remember I didn't say that there were privacy benefits that mattered to you but that there were privacy benefits
 
"Company X is spending a lot of time on the document al-Nusra-the-uprising.docx"
"Must be terrorists"
I'm just being silly, don't mind me
 
@RоryMcCune false dichotomy
 
there are privacy benefits to burning off your finger prints but I certainly wouldn't go that far
 
@Flyk using FFox is hardly burning your fingerprints off
 
you have to click in a whole other place just to be able to search
 
9:39 AM
@AviD there was no dichotomy in that statement to be false. To suggest that everyone has the same privacy desires/requirements would be silly
 
I bet it doesn't combine your history with real time search either
or share history and activity across multiple devices
 
9:52 AM
Boy, @RоryMcCune sure is grumpy today.
 
10:03 AM
it's all that time he spends interacting with the internet using a substandard browser
for real privacy you should just telnet to everything
 
gopher
@Flyk what was that tweet about Linus Torvalds being grumpy because he's had to use Linux all these years?
 
What if Linus Torvalds is just angry because he's had to use Linux for 20 years
@AviD that one?
 
why would I care about a geek joke?
 
10:18 AM
@Flyk Because you made it?
 
sssh
can't I trust you guys with anything?
 
@M'vy yeah thats the one
 
10:43 AM
@TerryChia was I ... ah sorry not intentional I was just putting the FFox perspective :)
 
10:56 AM
@RоryMcCune Yes - I think it went down well, and flowed well. It was a bonus that the demo gods looked favourably on you (I felt a bit sorry for the software radio guy...)
 
@RoryAlsop yeah that was a real shame for him, the talk was interesting anyway but it would have been nice for him if more of his demos had flown
that said very brave to try a demo with actual live hardware
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah - always have a video of a working demo and play that :-)
 
@RoryAlsop hells yeah
 
11:31 AM
@AviD You use Hyper-V right? How is GUI performance for desktop Linux? Is it sluggish at all?
 
havent tried it with linux yet.
but shouldnt be a problem at all - performance overall is fantastic.
for gui, you would connect with some remote desktop tool - I use RDP for windows machines, and it is smooth as hell.
games can be an issue, unless you have remoteFX set up.
 
@AviD you can't RDP into a Linux VM can you?
unless you pass by the hypervisor console
@TerryChia I'm using Nomachine for Linux at the moment and it's reasonable smooth enough for me to do remote development
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman I assumed not
you can use the console, but thats not the preferred way
 
@AviD Hmm, I'm planning to use the Hyper-V that ships with Win 8.1. I assume that works more like Workstation or VirtualBox?
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman yeah there's a server that'll do that, but it wasn't mega stable last time I tried it
 
11:38 AM
Oh, @AviD - how did that ontopic week go anyway?
 
@RoryAlsop about as well as his momma
 
@TerryChia I dont think so, AFAIK the hypervisor is the same in client windows as in server, perhaps with some restrictions.
 
@RoryAlsop how did you end up in the monster hunter chat yesterday? I was slightly confused by your dresscolourcomment.
 
it always is intended as a background process, not like vmworkstation (which sucks so much balls). ie. you run the machine in the background, and either connect to it or whatever
@RoryAlsop I think it was a relative improvement.
it was less about the ontopicness, and more about a semblance of decorum.
without naming names, the DMZ had really become a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
 
@Arperum I'm not sure how I saw it, but I had been annoyed by the amount of guff floating round the internet so I had already posted a few things (mostly around the fact that orange and black is a much better combination) and then it popped up on my rooms feed :-)
@AviD :-)
 
11:53 AM
@RoryAlsop right, right??
glad to know there is another freak like me out there.
 
@AviD I was amused to see that you saw it the same as me
logically
I was less amused to hear about Leonard Nimoy :-(
 
@RoryAlsop indeed.
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman wut
 
Riiiiight
 
11:58 AM
@TerryChia if you test it, I'm curious how it compares to workstation
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman That would be difficult seeing i don't have workstation.
 
@TerryChia ah, well the main thing why I love workstation is the ease of integration with ESX on one side, drag and drop to and from a VM and the way you can set up networking
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman I can't afford it at the moment though. :(
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman sounds exhaustingly complicated.
 
@AviD It's not actually, far from
it makes things easier
I prefer it over virtualbox
but I have a $company license
cause it's quite expensive
 
12:05 PM
thats like saying "I prefer wordpad over notepad for writing code", instead of just trying out a proper code editor or IDE
 
@AviD huh? in what sense?
 
@AviD Are we talking about The DMZ or yo momma?
 
try it and see.
 
@AviD if you mean that it isn't a proper hypervisor for servers, you are correct, but it's damn easy for setting up seperate desktops on a single laptop
or to play around quickly with different virtual machines on a single machine
 
"easy" is relative
 
12:07 PM
@RoryAlsop It was completely unrelated though. So your comment was the first of that nonsense that was intorduced in that room.
 
@AviD you mean new vm -> select iso -> install using username & password is difficult?
 
@Arperum oh dear.... sorry :-)
I should really go in and have a look. I think I assumed it was the Bridge
 
@AviD So's your mom.
 
So much hate here
where is the loooooooooooooove?
 
@RoryAlsop Oh, Bridge did have some random chatter about the stupid dress. But then again, it's the Bridge.
 
12:09 PM
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman All spent on yo momma.
Sorry, I had to hold it in for a week. ;)
 
@TerryChia inb4 yomomma joke in reply
 
@TerryChia TWSS
 
@Arperum Heh.
 
@Arperum fooled you
 
@RоryMcCune Dammit.
 
12:10 PM
Glad to see The DMZ is back on track. No thanks to @AviD or his momma.
 
Hmm.
 
@AviD you grumpy man!
 
Due to popular request, I Am Hereby Extending the Moratorium.
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@RoryAlsop It's a bit lame to post a link to your own tweet don't you think? ;)
 
12:12 PM
@AviD you got tempted to join in, didn't you
 
@AviD "popular request" in this case consisting of you and yo momma?
 
@TerryChia I wasn't sure @Arperum had seen it
I'm going to post another in a sec
 
See, that's when you get @RоryMcCune to link it.
 
I'm not following the twitters. I do have an account, but all that's been used for is testing something for work once.
 
Dammit - can't do it from mobile - go have a look at the lovely dress on Metaltech's facebook page
 
12:13 PM
Note that this is not to be explicitly ontopic, nor to prevent all yo momma jokes, TWSS comments or the like; just to keep it to a reasonable minimum, such that it does not overwhelm the entirety of the chatroom, nor should it lead to further deterioration.
 
@RoryAlsop Your background picture is hurting my eyes :P
 
Look at @AviD, being all mod-like and all.
 
@M'vy what background pic do I have? I don't see any
 
@AviD oh puh leaaaaaaase
 
@RoryAlsop Mostly a repeated image of you in stage outfit.
 
12:15 PM
what's the moratorium anyway?
 
@RoryAlsop You with a mask and a guitar, lots of fluo colours and a blue light in your face?
 
@Arperum no no, that is his REAL look. Suit and tie is his stage costume.
 
And also it's tiled
 
IHmmm - okay. I'll need to remember to fix that this evening. Can't do it at work (no twitter) or on my phone (as it doesn't even show backgrounds)
@M'vy hmm - wonder if that's the default? My wee avatar for that is me with guitar.
dunno
 
@RoryAlsop Interesting fact: it does this only when you are looking at a specific tweet page
 
12:40 PM
@AviD You mean if there's also a high budget star actors and sensible script version of Avalanche Sharks? :)
 
1:00 PM
@TildalWave I'm not sure that's possible... Spring break students, skiing and snowboarding up at Mammoth, in bikinis, with ghost alien snow sharks...
High budget and sensible script is not going to happen
ever
 
raz
@RoryAlsop Dude... Sharknado happened... twice.
 
@Dirk_Gently doing something another major platform has been doing for 15 years is revolutionary? TIL
@snare yeah, this explains why node is a thing.
 
On this fine spring break first day, @TerryChia decided that bashing node.js gets no break.
 
TIL = Today I Learned? Shouldn't it come first in this case?
 
@M'vy Yes, unless you're a hipster.
 
1:11 PM
@Simon pls , Node.JS is soooo old-school. Io.Js FTW
 
@RоryMcCune vanilla.js
or that retarded asm.js
 
I refuse to learn anything about *.js
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman asm.js is a marvel.
 
"I need to prototype my js into ASM" ---> said NO-ONE EVER
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman that's client-side
 
1:12 PM
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman Err, no. You compile a sane language to asm.js.
I don't think you actually know what asm.js does. :P
 
@RоryMcCune who knows the difference anymore between client and server side, it's all in the fog now!
 
That sounds insane?
 
@Simon yeah good call, just as well your job as a web developer doesn't involve any of that.... oh wait a sec
 
@TerryChia I saw it demonstrated once, and the guy explained it as prototyping your app in ASM and then deploying it to javascript
@TerryChia so python to javascript
that's possible?
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman Errr what?
That's bullshit.
 
1:14 PM
@RоryMcCune 1- I'm not officially a Web dev, e.g. I haven't done Web dev in a few weeks, minus a bit of patching on Symfony2
 
@Simon what are you officially?
 
2- You don't need any of those retarded js frameworks or whatever you wanna call it to be a decent web dev.
3- I like donuts.
@RоryMcCune A computer technician. I wear many hats.
 
@TerryChia but I can do python to javascript with that?
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman asm.js is basically a subset of javascript that is easily jit-able. Think things like type annotations. It runs decently on normal JS engines but really really fast with an asm.js engine (which ships in FF and I think chrome as well.)
 
@Simon HATS!
 
1:15 PM
@M'vy IS IT WINTERBASH YET?
 
@Simon so everything from windows servers to MS word to fixing printers to PHP
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman So you basically write code in another language, and select asm.js as a compile target.
 
@TerryChia I want to do that
I hate writing javascript
 
@Simon Dunno, I just had a reflex I guess :)
 
@TerryChia you must be mistaken there Mr Chia , Ffox with an innovative and cool feature :op
 
1:16 PM
@RоryMcCune To setting up LAMP servers, UNIX maintenance, debugging, etc.
 
For example Mozilla got an Unreal Engine game (I can't remember which) playable at 30FPS on FF by compiling the engine to asm.js.
 
I rarely do support for physical things though, which makes me happy.
 
@Simon yeah less worry about being electrocuted
 
@RоryMcCune Dude, electrostatic's a bitch.
 
1:18 PM
(I knew some people who that happened to, when they worked on laser printers)
 
They got a tattoo?
 
one guy I knew had literally got flung across a room by touching a laser printer that hand't properly discharged
 
Is that a joke?
 
@RоryMcCune did he survive?
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman yeah just got a bit of a fright I think
 
1:20 PM
@RоryMcCune neat
 
@Simon nope they used to (and maybe still do) hold a lot of charge
 
@RоryMcCune Dayum.
 
if you touched the wrong bit when they were plugged in or had been recently plugged in, bad things could happen
albeit the guy in question was a bit odd. I knew him as a IT consultant
but he had a kind of double life
 
@RoryAlsop That was my point. ;)
 
ended up dieing in america in a car with a box of snakes
from (predictably) snakebite poisoning
 
1:23 PM
wait is the moratorium over?
 
@Ohnana it's been extended
 
why though
 
@Ohnana 'cause as soon as it looked to have expired many people (myself included) may have suggested that TWSS and made references to @AviD mother
 
-.-
 
@RоryMcCune did avid's mum get butthurt
 
1:25 PM
I moratorium @AviD's mom.
 
@Simon is that a look of disapproval over the morotorium or are you doubting my snake bite IT consultant story?
 
@RоryMcCune what is this moratorium everyone keeps talking about?
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman two pinned messages tell the story
 
@RоryMcCune Moratorium.
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman basically @AviD is attempting to raise the tone of discourse in the room
@Simon ahh 'casuse the IT consultant thing it totally true.
 
1:27 PM
@RоryMcCune I actually just read the whole thing, you donut.
Sometimes, I think my eyes filter the stuff I see to make sure I don't react like a dumbass.
 
@Simon heh
 
And god damn it @RоryMcCune, stop trolling me on this fine Monday morning.
 
@Simon scotsman.com/news/world/… totally true, I knew him as an IT consultant at a factory in glasgow I worked at
he had a double life
 
@raz I rest my case :-)
 
@RоryMcCune That looks like a highly NSFW link.
 
1:29 PM
@Simon goes to the scotsman newspaper
it's pretty SFW
no pictures
 
Yeah, you Scots are crazy.
 
@RоryMcCune wow
 
@Ohnana as far as I was concerned his most eccentric aspect was a fondness for bow ties and colourful waistcoats
 
@RоryMcCune but that's the really fun stuff
 
@RoryAlsop heh
 
1:31 PM
@RоryMcCune In a previous life I used to do maintenance on large colour CRT monitors (ie the ones with upwards of 10kV at the flyback transformer) - those were epic
One guy did fire himself across the room three times in two years
Despite wearing rubber soles, no ties, and using plastic srewdrivers, with a left hand kept in the pocket process
@RоryMcCune this wasn't the vulcanology correspondent for the Bognor Observer was it?
 
@RoryAlsop wtf? what did he short?
 
@Ohnana it's always the flyback to ground :-)
 
@RoryAlsop nope chap I knew called Garrick Wales, had a secret life in the US with a porn star and poisonous snakes, I thought he was just an IT consultant from Kilmalcolm
 
@RoryAlsop i c
 
@RоryMcCune That's... an interesting story.
 
1:35 PM
@RоryMcCune Did you meet the guy, trying to remember his name, security consultant back in $OLDBANK days, was also the Vulcanology Correspondent, and was a freedom fighter in some place like Burma
 
How was your nurdy nurd conference for nurdz on Friday, lads?
 
@RoryM just rebel against @Avid
 
@RoryAlsop nice one, I don't think I did
 
IMAGE NOT FOUND YOU DONUT
 
1:37 PM
@Simon my talk went fine, thank you for asking Simon
 
@RоryMcCune was that on friday?
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman yarr
 
@RоryMcCune You're too nice, I feel like this is going to backfire soon.
 
@RоryMcCune recording somewhere?
 
@RоryMcCune You got the slides up anywhere as well?
 
1:37 PM
@Simon I'm always/mostly nice :)
 
Yeah, mostly.
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman @TerryChia vids should turn up once they process them (assuming no tech issues), slides I can make available now, but it's a prezi, so may not make much sense without the talk :)
@Simon :P
 
@RоryMcCune Cool. Both will be nice to have. :)
 
@TerryChia @RоryMcCune hey, we could blogpost it
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman Are you volunteering? :)
I already have a post on a subset of the topic up on my blog.
 
1:44 PM
@TerryChia make a blogpost with a link to the video and the prezi? sure
 
I think that gave @RоryMcCune some ideas as well.
 
I'll do that
add your link as well then
and maybe a picture of a llama
bitches love llamas
4
 
Seems like I have a friend working on this
I've seen lots of links talking about this HTTP/2, anything interesting in there?
 
@M'vy Again with Google projects having multiple languages in a single repo. annoyed
 
1:55 PM
@TerryChia guess they like the colours on the summary
 
holy crap http2.0 is so cool" http2.golang.org/gophertiles
 
Holy shit a new Python project in 2015 still using distutils...
shoots someone at Google
 
You're shiny.
OH THAT WAS QUICK EH?
 
:)
 
@M'vy asn.1: here be dragons.
 
Hic sunt dracones?
 
It's @ScottPack, the @ScottPack of all @ScottPacks.
 
2:40 PM
Hail @ScottPack
 
2:50 PM
ooh is @ScottPack around
didn't he say he only really looks at the room when someone pings @ScottPack ?
 
why was scottpack called packy when this room was created
I DEMAND ANSWERS
 
packy?
I can see "packs" but no "packy"
Anyway: "Beam me up, Packy!"
 
@M'vy right, it was packs
 
@Ohnana Doesn't mean we can't start calling him packy now.
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3:10 PM
@Xander I provide moderator approval for this ^
 
@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman Can confirm
 
OHAI GUISE
@Ohnana I don't think I ever was.
 
@ScottPack liar
CHAT KNOWS ALL
2
 
3:39 PM
@ScottPack Hi packy! Long time no see!
I should endorse @ScottPack on LinkedIn for "Having nicknames"
2
 
@Xander Doooo eeeeeet!
 
@RoryAlsop It won't let me. :-( Apparently it doesn't like "skills" that don't exist in the system at all.
 
@Xander cuts down on the trolling
 
Oh yes, I was known as 'packs' for some time but never packy.
 
@Ohnana LinkedIn endorsements are only good for trolling. They have no other function.
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3:46 PM
@Xander dammit - denied!
 
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