The DMZ

schroeder

12:10 AM

made sense to me :)

TildalWave

It read to me as asking if painting hair gray makes sex safer

schroeder

I read the motivation to be "I've been reading about ROP, and all the examples are via buffer overflows. hey! I wonder if the threat of ROP could be defeated by simply defeating overflows!"

TildalWave

12:26 AM

nope, still doesn't make any sense to me LOL

schroeder

I sometimes feel pretty harsh when voting to close stuff, so I try to do 1-2 good deeds a day

TildalWave

I save those for my missus :)

schroeder

it was on topic, about security, and I didn't know the answer off the top of my head

TildalWave

fair enough

schroeder

I took the 5 minutes to do the research to come up with a simple answer, and I learned something myself

AND the answer wasn't answerable with the first 3 hits from a Google search

I needed to search 1 layer deeper in the returned data

I figure that's a bare minimum for questions in the forum

AviD

12:34 AM

@schroeder I thought the bare minimum was getting the Bear to bother posting an answer.

schroeder

When the Bear wakes to deign to answer you one-sentence question, that's almost worthy to put on your resume

Thomas Pornin

2:30 AM

@schroeder The Bear does not answer your question because he likes your question; the Bear answers your question because he likes his answer.

5

Terry Chia

@schroeder Minilock is pretty good crypto-wise but the license is pretty shitty. AGPL is absolutely horrible.

Xander

2:48 AM

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Q: Do all non-CA certs have to be EE certs?

Still learning the differences between certs. Can someone explain? The internet has so far been surprising not lucid in describing certificates.

Anybody in here know what he's talking about? 'Cause I sure don't.

Google seems to be unhelpful in describing to me what an "EE cert" is.

TildalWave

no idea

EE is End Entity — jbtwc 3 mins ago

I think he's asking about self-signed cert chaining

Xander

@TildalWave Yeah, makes sense now.

TildalWave

I didn't know what EE is either... I was like... elliptic, extended, erm what?

Terry Chia

3:10 AM

Anyone knows if specifications are covered by copyright?

TildalWave

3:47 AM

Why wouldn't they be? They are e.g. in scientific journals.

schroeder

4:03 AM

@TerryChia Oh! I didn't see that part!

schroeder

5:01 AM

its a good day when I can quote an old French philosopher in an InfoSec Q&A forum

Rory Alsop

7:53 AM

@schroeder :-)

@JeffFerland Sometimes I feel sooo tyrannical. See my tyrannical ways :-)

heya!

morning @M'vy

How are you?

Tyrranical

ahah

8:07 AM

nah - I'm good thanks. Lots of snow here overnight, so my commute average speed went up by 12 mph :-)

I then find that no-one else in my team is in.

I'm thinking they don't like the snow as much as me

:-)

Whheeeee - 4WD FTW

M'vy

@RoryAlsop :)

I just got 4 snow tires

Rory Alsop

@M'vy How is the weather there?

M'vy

Sunny today, no clouds it seems

I guess it snowed yesterday up the mountain

M'vy

8:35 AM

I hope to go skying on saturday

Arperum

@M'vy skying sounds dangerous, skiing sounds safer.

M'vy

@Arperum I see what ~~you~~ I did there...

Rory Alsop

@Arperum lol

morning @Arp

Rоry McCune

morning all

@RoryAlsop here we have about 3-4 " of snow

and lots more coming down

Rory Alsop

lovely - it's just under an inch here - although Shotts/Harthill has it bad, apparently

@RоryMcCune You'll be fully au fait now with country living - a month's worth of stocks in the scullery and a deer in the chest freezer?

Rоry McCune

8:52 AM

@RoryAlsop yeah we have a well stocked freezer (luckily made a costco trip at the weekend)

@AviD @TerryChia one for the hipsters allenpike.com/2015/javascript-framework-fatigue

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune I remember when we were in the Falklands - despite there being a store where you could buy anything from eggs to speedboats, it depended on the monthly/bimonthly boats for anything fresh...so everyone had massive chest freezers and you would literally have half a cow in there

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop we do have the large chest freezer, definitely

M'vy

Funny how questions usually follow a "theme" for some times.

Someone ask a question about password locking: you got 2 more in a day. Some one talks about certificates, you got 3 more talking about rather the same thing.

Or maybe it's just me making up schemes

Arperum

GUYS, HE NOTICED. DO SOMETHING.

M'vy

9:09 AM

ah ah

AviD

@ThomasPornin the sign of a good question is one that provokes an excellent answer.

Arperum

@AviD <insert retort filtered by extended Moratorium>

AviD

MUWAHAHAHAH, EEETS VWOOOORKIIING, EEETS VWOOOORKIIING, HAHAHAHAHAHA

@M'vy "The human brain is great at finding patterns where none exist"

quoth from some paper on scientific method, dont remember where

M'vy

@AviD Yeah I thought so :P

AviD

@M'vy though in this case, I think you're right ;-)

M'vy

9:25 AM

@AviD ^^

M'vy

10:24 AM

I guess @Flyk is awake now :P

Flyk

bored

M'vy

8 edits, I guessed :P

Seriously @Flyk you searched for "alot" ?

Flyk

yes

as in, "alot of boredom"

M'vy

:( debian proposal got closed

Flyk

good

delete all the linuxes

Rоry McCune

10:42 AM

@M'vy so there's an ubuntu one but a request for a debian site got bounced... that's weird

Flyk

There is a story behind AU, I think

I purged that part of my memory

AU is an entire duplicate of Unix and Linux anyway

Rory Alsop

Morning @Flyk

Flyk

should just merge them

is it morning?

I don't feel like morning

I don't know what I feel like

Rory Alsop

Yeah, it's an excellent snowy skiddy morning

M'vy

@RoryAlsop still tending toward noon

@RоryMcCune Maybe people are not that much interested as they got answers elsewhere

and potentially we do not promote our A41 proposals enough

Rory Alsop

10:47 AM

@Flyk We don't know what you feel like either. We're wanted men </starwars>

Flyk

I'm never going to get a star wars quote, having never seen star wars

M'vy

> It needs:
>
> 0 more followers
> 3 more questions with a score of 10 or more

Seriously...

Rоry McCune

@M'vy well TBH I'm not sure I saw the reason for the Ubuntu site, given that U&L exists, surely ubuntu and other distros are just a tag on that site

Rory Alsop

@Flyk well that's fine.That just makes me sound creepy.

Again

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop s/y/ier/ :op

M'vy

10:52 AM

@RоryMcCune could be yeah.

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop but don't worry you're unlikely to ever win the Creepiest Mod award :)

M'vy

@RоryMcCune But com'on, the U&L CSS is not cool enough, isn't this reason enough :P

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Who is that?

Rоry McCune

11:04 AM

@RoryAlsop oh no one (cough cough avid cough)

@M'vy good point, the lack of cool factor on U&L is palpable, needs more devops!

ooh they should have devops.se

126

DevOps

Proposed Q&A site for devops programmers, admins and architects

Currently in definition.

^ ahh why am I not actually surprised that it's been proposed

AviD

@RоryMcCune hey I wear that badge with pride! I wont tell you where I wear it though.

2

@RоryMcCune its never gonna happen, though, SE dont believe in devops.

Rоry McCune

hey @TerryChia I've found your new favourite SE site ^^^

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Nope.

Rоry McCune

@Flyk thanks for the clean-up

AviD

@Flyk @M'vy yeah, apparently Ubuntu is qualitatively different from other flavors of Linux.

Ubuntu is like Linux with training wheels.

Rоry McCune

11:07 AM

@TerryChia wait is DevOps not cool any more? JavaScriptOps?

AviD

Ubuntu is the AOL of Linux.

so the whole community would be VEREY VERY DIFFERENT

Journeyman Geek

Heh

AviD

Linux.SE: "THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE WAY TO DO IT, IT MUST BE LINUX!"
Ubuntu.SE: "THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE WAY TO DO IT, IT MUST BE LINUX.... *WITHOUT* A COMMANDLINE!!"

Terry Chia

Have we overthrown @AviD's moratorium yet?

Journeyman Geek

Then what's Kali? I am pretty sure a good chunk of their user base can't be trusted with blunt crayons

2

.... All my Ubuntu installs are purely cli

AviD

11:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek kali is for ~~script kiddies~~ pentesters

Terry Chia

@AviD Kali is for pentesters who don't know what tools they need. ;)

AviD

not much of a pentester, then.

Journeyman Geek

@TerryChia: red crayons man ;p

Rоry McCune

@Flyk you have the weirdest way of handling boredom that I've ever seen

@Flyk not many people would go cleaning up posts on the Internet for grammer/spelling for fun

@Flyk have you ever considered a career as a technical writer?

AviD

@ScottPack you might enjoy this: Out of Context DnD Quotes

Flyk

11:24 AM

@RоryMcCune yawn

@RоryMcCune so what, I'm weird, everybody is weird, at least this is productive boredom rather than destructive boredom

@RоryMcCune collecting of internet points allows me to classify this boredom as "not a waste of time"

@AviD no I'm not

Rоry McCune

@Flyk it's like what you're doing anyway but you get paid

@Flyk My comment had no particular point, it was just a comment :)

Flyk

@RоryMcCune the pay is insufficient for me to tolerate it full time

AviD

@Flyk wat?

ahh hahahah

Flyk

@AviD I am not for pen-testing

AviD

for pentesters

there used to be (still is? I dunno) a very misogynistic saying in the israeli army:
(remember that adjectives in hebrew are either male or female):

> The best (males) go to BE pilots, the best (females) go to THE pilots.

that is a pretty bad translation.

Rоry McCune

11:40 AM

@Flyk freelance technical writer?

Lucas 'Paul' Kauffman

@AviD sexist

AviD

@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman yes, yes it is (or was). even worse, when you think about it - it implies that women are naught but trophies to be won by Top Gun like alpha males.

I am happy to say that the IDF has changed enormously (that saying is from like > 20 years ago), though still a ways to go.

Flyk

@RоryMcCune not as profitable as freelance musical writer

AviD

still, it is a clever turn of phrase (way it works in hebrew), one can almost look back and be amused.

Flyk

you also should consider I skip posts with overly technical content that I do not understand

Lucas 'Paul' Kauffman

11:43 AM

@AviD considering they even do they same jobs in the Israeli army iirc

Flyk

hardly the trait you want in somebody doing technical writing for a living

AviD

@Lucas'Paul'Kauffman yeah, exactly - even female pilots, which was like the last bastion of overwhelming misogynistic pigmen.

"even"

@Flyk but pretty par for most tech writers

ever try and find out from the documentation what the button that says "Flimmer Gibblets" does?

you will likely find a page and half which basically says:

> "Pressing this button will flimmer your gibblets. Do not press this button if you dont want your gibblets flimmered, or if you are otherwise already flimmering your gibblets."

Flyk

I'm sure you have a point, I missed it, though

AviD

@Flyk the typical tech writer does not understand vaguely technical content, and does not try to understand. Instead, they just dial it in and state the overwhelmingly obvious.

Also, I got to talk about gibblet flimmering.

Adnan - Adi

@Flyk What are you doing?

Flyk

11:48 AM

I'm sure the answer to that question is so obvious

let's just skip to the part where you complain about it, I get bored, and find something else to do

Adnan - Adi

tonight

AviD

I'm already bored

WAIT

IS @ADNAN ASKING OUT @FLYK ON A DATE

THINGS JUST GOT INTERESTING

Rоry McCune

@AviD got there before me :op

AviD

DOES @KISU KNOW

OMG IS THIS @KISU'S IDEA

Best.GF.EVAR.

Arperum

inb4 "..."

Kisunminttu

11:51 AM

@AviD Of course I know

AviD

OHH NOOO IS @KISU BREAKING UP WITH YOU

Kisunminttu

Because @Flyk is having a pajama party with me

AviD

@Kisunminttu ....

........

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu and now you broke @AviD

2

AviD

<My next response has been deleted several times because of the moratorium>

Rоry McCune

11:52 AM

@Kisunminttu good going :)

Kisunminttu

@RоryMcCune Well I think he broke himself

AviD

@RоryMcCune hahah

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu well that is true, but you provided the spark!

Kisunminttu

@RоryMcCune Gotta add that to my already fantastic CV!

Adnan - Adi

@RоryMcCune Oh she always provides the spark

@Kisu :*

Kisunminttu

11:53 AM

(Fantastic CV is fantastic thanks to @Adnan-Adi)

AviD

@Kisunminttu oh please. Breaking me is no special achievement.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan-Adi Could say the same about you :*

@AviD <My next response has been deleted several times because of the moratorium>

AviD

@Kisunminttu ...

.........................................

seeeee???

Kisunminttu

@AviD Whooo! Two times in a day!

Flyk

jeez get a room

Kisunminttu

11:54 AM

Do I get a badge?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk what, like the DMZ?

Kisunminttu

@Flyk We are in one. And so are you....

AviD

@Kisunminttu heh. I could respond, but I won't.

Adnan - Adi

@Flyk Sure. I'll send you the address in a minute

Kisunminttu

@AviD Oh because you're better than that?

Flyk

11:55 AM

great, I'm trapped in a room with @kisu eating @adnan alive, and @adnan enjoying it

AviD

so is this a thing now? @Adnan-Adi hits on @Flyk, @Kisunminttu hits on me?

Because this seems to be crossing the moratorium.

Adnan - Adi

@Flyk A lot of times it's the other way around

AviD

@Kisunminttu no, because I'm worse than that

Flyk

@Adnan-Adi O_O

AviD

okay, see? SEEE???

THIS is why we need the moratorium, people!

Flyk

11:56 AM

here's me, behaving in a publicly acceptable manner

here's everybody else, just... not

AviD

@Flyk right, right??

Rоry McCune

@Flyk hey hey I'm not involved in this ... whatever it is !

dont goad them.

@AviD unlike you

O_O

11:57 AM

@RоryM It started snowing here as well

AviD

@Adnan-Adi and @Kisunminttu, we will need to request that you abide by the rules of the moratorium.

Flyk

it's even snowing in hell!

Rоry McCune

@Adnan-Adi yeah it's like back to winter..

AviD

as much as it strains my self controls.

Kisunminttu

@AviD Duly noted

Flyk

11:58 AM

actually, I'm enjoying my moral high ground being higher than usual, without moving

3

Adnan - Adi

@RоryMcCune Yup, seems like it

Flyk

please continue

Terry Chia

@AviD You don't speak for us you dictator!

AviD

Thank you. The Dude abides.

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu he can only take being broken so many time in one day

Kisunminttu

11:58 AM

I really hope it doesn't start to snow here. They literally just cleaned the de-slip sand from outside

Adnan - Adi

and I'll continue

AviD

you're not part of "us".

Flyk

@Adnan-Adi you don't like it when I say "please"?

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu ooh what's de-slip sand?

@Kisunminttu sounds like we could use some of that round our way

AviD

@RоryMcCune probably what it sounds like

Adnan - Adi

11:59 AM

Oookay. I'm stopping here

AviD

sand on icey areas so its not slippy.

Kisunminttu

@RоryMcCune You know when the streets are icy or really snowy? It's just this mixture of sand and little rocks

Rоry McCune

@AviD sigh I was wondering if that's a specific product

Flyk

:20342042 huh, mind games, why did I nearly oblige?

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu ahh I think that's what we call grit here

Kisunminttu

11:59 AM

@RоryMcCune Yep. De-slip sand : DDD

AviD

@RоryMcCune isnt grits something you eat in Alabama?

Kisunminttu

I have my own names for stuff like this

Rоry McCune

@AviD correct

@Adnan-Adi OY!

Adnan - Adi

Damn it! I couldn't help myself

AviD

@RоryMcCune yeah, that.

Kisunminttu

12:00 PM

I was just going to say "I hope nobody stars that"

AviD

oh damn you guys.

Kisunminttu

Riiight under the moratorium, it will be

AviD

ha, now you fools look like fools.

Flyk

@AviD only if the individual hasn't washed

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu luckily the delete fixed it, if someone had quoted it would've been stuck there

Kisunminttu

12:01 PM

@RоryMcCune That is useful information

Rоry McCune

@AviD who me?

Flyk

@AviD in your presence, everybody looks normal

Adnan - Adi

@Flyk Too late. Already made the joke and removed it

AviD

@RоryMcCune heh, nooo, never you

Grits

Grits refers to a ground-corn food of Native American origin that is common in the Southern United States and eaten mainly at breakfast. Modern grits are commonly made of alkali-treated corn known as hominy. Grits are similar to other thick maize-based porridges from around the world such as polenta. "Instant grits" have been processed to speed cooking. The word "grits" derives from the Old English word "grytt," meaning coarse meal. This word originally referred to wheat and other porridges now known as groats in parts of the UK. Maize, unknown in Europe in the Middle Ages, is a food derived from...

Flyk

@Adnan-Adi well, you deleted it, I didn't see it, c'est la vie

anyway, back to bored

Kisunminttu

12:03 PM

@AviD Mmmm that sounds delicious

Adnan - Adi

@Flyk That's not an option if there's grit down south

Kisunminttu

@Flyk I'm really liking Breaking Bad, btw

I liked the first season more than I'm liking the second one

Flyk

@Adnan-Adi I wasn't going to go off and randomly have sex with the limited options available during this time of day, as a resolution to boredom

@Kisunminttu Breaking Bad \o/

I'm already behind on Better Call Saul

Kisunminttu

@Flyk But what about other times of the day?

Adnan - Adi

@Flyk Only 5 episodes so far

raz

12:05 PM

@Xander haha, not my fault. I rejected an edit that was worse than what I did. So I just fixed up the two characters while I was at it.

Flyk

@Kisunminttu well at other times of the day, the overall choice and the quality of those choices improves sufficiently that it would overcome boredom, rather than contributing to both it and sadness

Rоry McCune

@Flyk did you ever finish the View Askew movies?

Flyk

@RоryMcCune the what?

@Adnan-Adi only seen two

Kisunminttu

@Flyk Good :)

Rоry McCune

@Flyk scrubs, dogma, that lot

Flyk

12:07 PM

@RоryMcCune right, no, I didn't

Rоry McCune

@Flyk when we were giving you movie recommendations, that series was recommended

Flyk

I don't think I watched past the first one

maybe half of the first one

they're all sat there waiting to be watched

Rоry McCune

@Flyk BTW Appropos nothing, you know what would be a good song to sample on one of your tracks. "Love will tear us apart" by Joy Division, has a good opening bit that sounds sampleable to me

(my 80's playlist is on at the moment)

Flyk

@RоryMcCune do you even have a playlist for anything later than the 80s?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yeah my modern stuff playlist goes up to things like DJ Snake and Childish Gambino

Flyk

12:09 PM

...who?

Rоry McCune

and I go as far back as Gregorian chants and mozart

@Flyk DJ Snake "Turn down for what" , Childish Gambino aka donald glover

Flyk

...what?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk you haven't heard "turn down for what"???

I thought as it's EDM you would've

Flyk

maybe

"EDM" is such a nonsense term

Rоry McCune

DJ Snake, Lil Jon - Turn Down for What

►

^very NSFW video

Flyk

12:11 PM

It didn't need to be called EDM during the 80s and 90s

Rоry McCune

188 million views

so not doing too bad

Kisunminttu

@RоryMcCune Many Vines have been made with that song

Flyk

I was into Dance Music before it was called Electronic Dance Music

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu yeah it is a catchy track

@Flyk sure, it's like what I'd call Acid house from the 90's sounds nothing like todays Acid stuff

Flyk

perhaps you need more acid

Rоry McCune

12:12 PM

Childish Gambino - Sweatpants ft. Problem

►

@Flyk sample Childish Gambino track

Flyk

don't talk to me about acid, my hearing is still ringing after a software failure

AviD

"Turn Down For What" Without Music

►

this one is so much better

this is also kinda awesome:

Citizen Pulls Over Cop, Demands ID & It’s Amazing

►

Arperum

WHat's whith the youtubespam?

AviD

true, true.

Flyk

This edit does not make the post even a little bit easier to read, easier to find, more accurate or more accessible. Changes are either completely superfluous or actively harm readability.

Mbps != mbps, my edit improved technical accuracy

Rоry McCune

12:19 PM

@Arperum @Flyk is a bit old-school in her musical tasks so I was attempting to bring her up do date, so important in her line of work

Flyk

alot is not a word that exists, my edit improved readability

<- doesn't actually care

raz

Got my OnePlus yesterday, chicka yea!

Hopefully flash Lollipop on it tonight

Rоry McCune

@Flyk FWIW, I think edits that improve spelling and grammar are a good thing(tm)

Flyk

shrug

Rоry McCune

@Flyk I'm glad to see my approval fills you with apathy :op

Flyk

12:24 PM

There's no point in discussing it - had the conversation before, it will be weeks or months before I next do more than one edit at a time, and nobody really pays attention

AviD

@Flyk ooo looks like your romantic evening is off then.

Flyk

I have no romantic plans

AviD

@Flyk actually it IS a word, just a misspelled one. There is an "l" missing.

Flyk

oh right, you were talking about that

@AviD w/e

AviD

@Flyk ?

Flyk

12:31 PM

your attempt at humor was not worth me writing a full sentence in response

AviD

@Flyk not humor, just trying to outpedant you.

Flyk

you can't out pedant me

AviD

no, but I can try

Flyk

being here isn't helping my boredom

back whenever

Rоry McCune

@Flyk o/

AviD

12:35 PM

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Q: does using (http://freel2tpvpn.com) is safe?

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