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1:25 AM
@RоryMcCune Your face is a monolith.
 
@TerryChia your face is regolith
:p
 
@JourneymanGeek No, my face is made up of microservices communicating over a JSON API. #hipster
 
 
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5:11 AM
Github would like to remind you that even when offline it's still better than Sourceforge.
 
 
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7:06 AM
:)
morning!
 
 
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8:30 AM
Anyone passed the DST barrier? :)
 
@M'vy Fuck DST.
 
@M'vy yeah our clocks went forward at the weekend
@Arperum I agree, timezones in general. Just have one time zone and have people do things at different local times
 
:)
 
8:47 AM
@RоryMcCune that's enough of a recommendation for me. Will buy :-)
 
@RoryAlsop argharghagrhagr don't tempt me !
 
@M'vy Oh - here it's called BST: British Summer Time. Because #BritishEmpire
And it annoys me
 
@RoryAlsop yeah, timey wimey
 
oh that, did that last week
and SOOOO STOOOOPID
 
The only upside: for the next 8 or 9 days I'll still have the sun below the horizon on my commute to work, so it won't be in my eyes
 
8:49 AM
what is a "comm ute" ?
;-)
 
Aside from that I don't see the need. The usual excuse (farmers) is irrelevant: they work to a timeline that suits animals/plants - not a clock
@AviD Some kind of Australian truck?
 
@RoryAlsop hehe
 
@RoryAlsop I was past the point of sun in my eyes during commuting, now I'm back to that nonsense. Although wednesday I start a new job and I'm going to be working from home mostly, so no more sun in eyes commuting.
 
if it works well, from now on I'm writing wiki pages in Word first. their markup language is soooo sucky.
 
@AviD So...Word is better than something else? When did that happen?
 
8:54 AM
@RoryAlsop WordPerfect.
@RoryAlsop much like democracy, Word is the worst possible word processing product, except every other product out there.
 
But Word isn't even compatible with other MS products like Powerpoint.
#notsosecrethaterofmicrosoftproducts
 
@RoryAlsop waddayamean?
@RoryAlsop #preferstodoeverythinginvim
@RoryAlsop #orhammerandchisel ;-)
 
@AviD Copy and paste any text or data from any MS product to any other, or between pages or sections, and it buggers up formatting (sometimes permanently)
@AviD LaTex FTW
 
@RoryAlsop I have no idea what you're referring to
it works fine for me
well, except if youre trying to paste things that just dont fit
hmm, looks like that tool does not work well with the hebrew
 
@AviD Many large orgs have teams that exist just to fix this. I kid you not.
 
8:57 AM
@RoryAlsop heh I believe it.
Many large orgs have teams to do a lot of stupid things. ;-)
 
@AviD also true
 
@RoryAlsop also no annoying DRM if you get it through GoG!
 
@RоryMcCune good call
when trying to get my cash card replaced after a hungry ATM incident on Saturday, it took ages to find the right contact number. Once I finally spoke to the guy, he told me it is written on my card!
#allthestupids
#itshashtagmorning
 
@RoryAlsop ahh you can fix that...
@RoryAlsop there's options for retaining source format, or adopting destination format
 
@RоryMcCune It says that - but it isn't WYSIWYG
 
9:04 AM
@RoryAlsop #simon
 
sometimes it takes parts of both templates, or alters current template
and ctrl-Z doesn't fix it!
WTF?
 
@RoryAlsop Format painter FTW :)
 
Still a fail - it doesn't always grab all the format
 
@RoryAlsop no that's true . My experience is that it's documents that have been around for a long time that are the worst. they seem to accumulate bits of formatting that are hard to get rid of...
 
An example I had on Friday - a paragraph copied over had the wrong indentation. Format painter used from prefvious paragraph didn't sort indentation. And ruler didn't have any indication. Also no further left move allowed for the indent tool
IN the end I had to send it to our 'team that does this thing'
 
9:07 AM
@RoryAlsop copy past text to notepad first, that removes all formatting, then paste to word :)
 
okay I need some help from all you hipster HTML programmers. what is the current best way to do RTL sections?
or are you kids back to calling that bidi now?
 
@RоryMcCune I have a feeling they did something like that - or else retyped it all
@AviD RTL - that's a TV channel isn't it :-p
 
@RoryAlsop notepad is a trick I've used quite a bit to avoid nonsense formatting...
 
or better yet, anybody famliar with wikimedia markup - how to do RTL in wiki. /cc @ManishEarth
 
@RoryAlsop or radio
 
9:08 AM
recently realised I've been using/supporting Word problems for 20 years..... #OldRoryIsOld
 
@RoryAlsop heh. Right To Left....
@RоryMcCune oh yes, absolutely
@RoryAlsop this sounds like you were formatpasting just the word, and the paragraph. next time move the mouse all the way to the border on the left, and point to the whole paragraph.
 
@AviD believe me, I tried AllTehThings(tm)
@AviD "‮"Oh, that sort of thing?
it works fine when you copy and paste it out
 
heh wut
no, התכוונתי כזה דבר
 
i.e. hebrew
 
9:12 AM
^^heh
 
@RоryMcCune BASTARDS!!
 
Dammit - who actually upvoted that card spammer?
 
@AviD huh wut?
 
@RоryMcCune they keep downloading malware!!
 
@AviD ahh.. even though it's an advert, I thought it was quite good...
 
9:14 AM
@RоryMcCune oh yes, absolutely
it does show the sad sad reality, sadly
and yes, security products really do need to be taking those fools into account
 
@AviD indeed, they do exist, in every company!
 
9:49 AM
^electo swing, that's not a genre I've come across before..
 
sure, but its no jumpstyle
 
@AviD should I ask what that is?
s/should I ask/should I ask #Simon
 
actually just discovered that jumpstyle is a "real" thing, when I was looking for that
I think they're all high on smack
 
@AviD in Burniestoun...probably
 
@RoryAlsop no, these
warning: ears will bleed if your sound is on
NSFE
 
10:03 AM
@AviD hey you found a video of @Simon !
 
heh
actually they're probably all drunk and trying to emulate the irish riverdancing, but didnt have any music available so they took turns banging metal pipes on the chainlink fences.
 
10:26 AM
@AviD Seriously?
 
@DavidFreitag yeah, he must literally use chat with his eyes closed
 
@Flyk You should go to twitch and watch the ultra live stream
 
I don't want to
 
Armin Van Buuren is wrecking
 
"wrecking" is not really what I want to listen to
 
10:29 AM
@DavidFreitag yeah, i know, I was appalled too
 
@Flyk I'm only here for him, Knife Party, and Skrillex if I don't get bored first
 
has it been a bit inactive in here recently? There's stuff in the star list with actual dates against it
 
A little, lots of conf stuff recently, plus the weekend.
 
@Flyk the weekend will do that. Apart from @AviD most of us aren't about...
 
@RоryMcCune yes but... the 24th is last Tuesday.
 
10:34 AM
@Flyk true true
 
disappointing
star list needs more bait
2
 
@Flyk Better get to it then
 
@Flyk actually the room list looks quite bare at the moment, not a lot of lurkers
 
cba, I have all on playing with my new toys
I fixed my drone
then promptly broke it again
now it's dead beyond repair
 
@Flyk what happened?
 
10:36 AM
Nothing is ever dead beyond repair. Unless it's a pile of ashes.
 
it got hit by and run over by a large vehicle
 
@Flyk I was wondering if it had been flown at top speed into the ground, but that would also do the trick
 
it's currently being stored in small fragments in a plastic bag
it's a bit more broken than the first crash, which only broke the main structure, which they sell as a replacement
 
Damn, did you land it in the street or something...?
 
or chasing cars?
 
10:38 AM
no I was racing it against a moped and the wind took it
 
at car level
@Flyk lol - did you get good video from it? I'm assuming it was GoPro-ed up
 
I hope it wasn't GoPro-ed up...
 
I'm sure there would be a method of getting the video off it if you put it back together
not sure I'm going to buy another
they seem a little... disposable
 
Well if you don't go around racing mopeds with it...
 
sure, but why wouldn't you do something like that?
hilarious fun
I also terrorized some ducks with it
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don't really have an actual use for one, it's just fun to mess around with
 
10:45 AM
Speaking of remotely controlled vehicles, I think I'm going to take my T-MAXX out this week at some point if it doesn't snow again
 
yeah I'm glad I went down the route of battery powered drone rather than nitro powered helicopter
 
Duuuude nitro is soo much better though
 
although the explosion from the crash would have been hilarious
 
Also, helicopters are just too complicated anyway.
 
it would have been dangerous to do what I was doing with the drone, though
far too close to the ground/other people
 
10:47 AM
Yeah a sizeable heli would have 2-3' rotors spinning quite fast.
 
each more than capable of removing limbs
 
Not quite, but getting smacked with them hurts a LOT. I know from firsthand experience.
 
@DavidFreitag there's plenty of reports of people losing fingers (and even a death) from rc helicopter accidents
 
@AviD Wrt to RTL in HTML: the answer is always jQuery.
 
@Flyk Okay, a finger sure, but you're not going to lose an arm.
 
10:49 AM
just isn't going to happen with a battery powered drone
 
That's why I prefer cars/trucks to airborne vehicles.
 
what I really need is a drone with a nerf gun attached to it
so I can rain down polystyrene doom upon my enemies
 
Racing other people around a track at ~40mph all day is a ton of fun.
@Flyk Mount a nerf vulcan cannon to one
 
the weight is a bit too much for a battery powered drone
 
So get a bigger drone
 
10:52 AM
no, that's bad for everybody else
I still won't hesitate to crash it
 
A friend of mine has a jet plane. Those are seriously dangerous and also seriously cool.
 
@Flyk definitely. Or that flamethrower t'other Rory posted the link to yesterday
@Flyk At some point you crash everything. I crashed most of my aircraft at some point, from gliders up to 100mph wireguided ones
 
We mounted a bag of thermite to it and ignited it midair while it was flying by at like 100 mph. It was spectacularly terrifying.
 
@RoryAlsop that sounds too much like front page news
"experimental anti personnel drone crashes in Paris"
 
@DavidFreitag hahahahaha - awesome
 
10:54 AM
"seems to be adapted from a dji phantom"
 
@Flyk I see what you did there #opsecredherring
 
"dem terrorists are coming"
 
@RoryAlsop We almost started a small forest fire though, lol
 
hmmm
thermite reaction 100 meters in the air above a densely populated area
 
@Flyk that would look beautiful - until the screaming
 
10:56 AM
Although @Rory is right, you will always crash. I have changed just about every part on my favorite cars. Usually everything but the engine
If it was high enough it wouldn't cause any damage... other than some excess ozone that is.
 
In my family, there have also been various real aircraft crashed, from the Buccaneer low level fighter/bomber, to helicopters and modern aircraft
perfectly normal
any landing you can walk away from...
(or swim, in Dad's case)
 
@RoryAlsop could be a double bluff
 
@RоryMcCune @RoryAlsop Or perhaps this is the place she would go to utilize such a device...
 
@DavidFreitag well you know there have been a lot of stories about mysterious drones over Paris
 
11:21 AM
Is it me or is newegg super broken right now..
 
raz
Seems to be just you
 
So, should I go mSATA, or M.2?
 
@DavidFreitag yes.
;-P
(haven't heard anything about M.2 yet)
 
@DavidFreitag doesn't M.2 use PCIe?
avoiding the SATA bottleneck
 
@RоryMcCune Does it? If it does then I can't use it, this SoC only has one SATA lane
 
11:31 AM
personally I'm waiting for the Samsung SM951 to be available to consumers...
@DavidFreitag well you can definitely get PCIe M.2 drives
but I guess that doesn't mean that all M.2 drives are PCIe
necessarily
 
M2 has variants for both. PCIe uses x4 gen 3
But there's a differently keyed sata M2 too
 
Well I don't think it really matters since I can't find M2 connectors on digikey anyway...
 
See if they have ngff
 
Ah, yes, that did the trick. Thanks
So this is the first time I've heard skrillex actually speak... he sounds like he's 12
So it looks like the M.2 controller is set to use a SATA lane, but if PCI is available use that instead.
In case anyone was curious ;]
 
11:53 AM
@DavidFreitag hahahahaha
 
@RoryAlsop It also doesn't help that he is really short
He is standing next to Afrojack, he's like 6" shorter
 
@RоryMcCune yeah, I'm usually not here much on the weekend either. Except that my weekend is a day earlier than yours.
also, going out soon for the OWASP meet....
 
@TerryChia bleargh. no I meant actual formatting. cant put js into the wiki...
 
@RоryMcCune 2gb/s read? thats kinda impressive...
 
raz
12:04 PM
@RоryMcCune PCIe x4?
 
@DavidFreitag yarr starts making SATA SSDs look slow
 
raz
Man I'm behind on the times when it comes to computer hardware.
 
@raz yep
only thing I need to check is whether my PC motherboard actually supports that
 
Yeah just check to see if your M.2 port has PCI or not
 
raz
@RоryMcCune It's not even an option on newegg to sort by.
 
12:06 PM
Yeah that's more of a looking up the datasheet for your motherboard kinda deal i think
 
raz
Ah but the do list the pcie-x16 as having a x4 mode :)
I'm moving into a new apartment where I can finally have my desktop computer back :D I might have to gut it and build a new one!
 
@raz Well, technically, any PCI slot can support any other PCI device. Ex: a x8 can do a x4 or a x2 or even a x1 slot. I think the only exception to this rule is x16 GPU slots
 
raz
@DavidFreitag I didn't know that. I would imagine that GPU related slots would be incompatible with normal pcie
 
@raz Nope, I just checked. They are compatible.
 
raz
Hmmm, I wonder how that works.
 
12:12 PM
GPU's do use normal pcie, they just require 16 lanes
 
raz
@DavidFreitag Oh I thought you were implying that x16 GPU slots were specifically wired differently for GPUs.
I thought I was behind on the times yet again.
 
@raz I thought the connector was slightly different
But they all have the same 22 pin segment before the key
 
raz
Nifty
 
Which is basically just power, jtag, a TWI, and some other control signals
After the key it's just ground and differential pairs repeated over and over for each lane
 
@RоryMcCune pls
 
12:20 PM
@Simon it is you though isn't it...
 
GOD DAMMIT IT'S SNOWING AGAIN >:[
 
lawl
threatening rain here
 
@DavidFreitag we had hail this morning!
 
@RоryMcCune It snowed two inches on saturday. We're supposed to get another 4+ by the end of this week
So much unhappy
 
@DavidFreitag LOL
It just started to snow here too, ffs.
 
12:24 PM
The entirety of new england has broken snowfall records this year.
 
stopped my vnc service and my computer has decided to spin out of control
plz compooter
 
compooter pls compoote
 
goddamn it pulseaudio stop losing your shit
 
Newegg was losing its shit earlier
 
how so?
 
12:31 PM
It was just broken
links sent me to 404 and it would take a long time to do certain things like add filters to searches
 
raz
I'm browsing Newegg, it is being funky
 
vuln naming is going overboard: darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/…
 
@Ohnana lolwut?
 
it's a 13 year old flaw so they called it "bar mitzvah" -- the jewish coming of age ceremony that happens when you're 13
 
Yep and twitch is also acting weird
 
1:13 PM
#A90 @forthroadbridge N/B - Abnormal load is due to cross, traffic will be held until vehicle is clear of bridge #thanksforyourpatience
hey @Simon I didn't know your mom was in Scotland at the moment!
 
pls
 
@RоryMcCune @Simon's momma is so fat she's in both Scotland and Canada at the same time.
4
 
spl
 
weirdness with copy/paste into browsers and XSS arising therefrom
@Simon Scottish Premier League?
 
1:17 PM
@RоryMcCune Nope.
 
@TerryChia is interesting, if you can get by the use of Justin B****r as example text
 
Ah, Mario Heiderich. He's something of an expert on weird XSS attacks. :)
 
@TerryChia indeed
 
He presented the mXSS thing at Syscan last year.
 
@TerryChia BTW that reminds me, do you know why was Syscan this year the last one?
are they just tired of doing it?
 
1:19 PM
@RоryMcCune I think it's because the Blackhat guys are being arses.
 
@TerryChia Rly.. ah that wouldn't entirely surprise me
 
@RоryMcCune So Syscan was always around the late March, early April period.
Last year, Blackhat Asia was announced (after being away from the region for a couple of years) about a week before Syscan. The Syscan timings were known long ago.
This year they organized it on the exact same days as Syscan.
I'm still hoping they will change their minds though. It's really the best con in the region. And the way they treat volunteers really is unmatched imo.
 
@TerryChia well that sounds like an arse move!
@TerryChia yeah actually paying good money to speakers is a welcome change from the norm!
 
dat arse doe
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah, plus the volunteers eat the exact same food (pretty expensive hotel buffet lunch), can attend all the talks, have access to all the alcohol same as the actual paying attendees.
 
1:24 PM
@TerryChia being nice to volunteers and speakers! unheard of..
 
I mean, it's literally a 2k conference pass for just a few hours of work the day before the conference, a few hours before it starts and an hour or so after it ends.
@RоryMcCune You saw Alex Ionescue's slides on Hyper-V yet?
 
@TerryChia I haven't... linky?
 
Oh damn, looks like he hasn't uploaded it yet.
He basically reverse engineered how to write a Hyper-V driver.
 
@TerryChia aww. I'm actually planning to make more use of Hyper-V going forward, I don't get the sense that VMWare are really very interested in workstation as a product any more
they've had a breaking bug for Shared folders with linux 3.13 as a guest for a month and a half now which is lame
 
Hyper-V is pretty bad with old linux's though. :(
Having problems booting a Ubuntu 11.10 ISO.
 
1:31 PM
@TerryChia yeah sure, wouldn't really work for older stuff for research, but for having A.N modern linux for test tools and windows VMs should be fine
although I've not tested how well it works with things like nmap scanning over the VM interface
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah, modern Linux works great.
 
@TerryChia: for all its flaws, virtualbox is probably the best for older OSes
 
raz
@RоryMcCune They seem more focused on vSphere and larger virtualization solutions.
 
Alex Ionescu's neat
I used to follow the stuff he did on ROS
 
Honestly from what I have seen Hyper-V beats vSphere hands down.
 
1:32 PM
@raz yeah that's the impression I get. shame really I've been using workstation since v2
 
@JourneymanGeek That would be ReactOS?
 
raz
@RоryMcCune I really like workstation. I wish they'd lower the licensing price though.
@TerryChia I've never used it.
 
@raz The management interfaces are just as good, the virtualization technology better imo.
 
@raz yeah upgrade pricing is not really that cheap, when there's a free Hyper-V install with every Windows 8.1 pro license
 
1:34 PM
It's one of the rare MS products I actually like; .NET and VS being the other.
 
@RоryMcCune So I have been using a Linux VM hosted on Hyper-V I access over SSH for dev work; works incredibly well.
The only missing piece now is Wireshark. I'll probably end up running tcpdump over the CLI and exporting the pcap to the host for analysis.
 
@TerryChia yeah that + cmder for stuff I do on windows is probably how I'll go
 
raz
@TerryChia You can do something crazy things to get Wireshark. We've got VMs going, and with some crafty scripting we can get Wireshark to sniff any link on the virtual network.
 
@raz Probably too much effort. :P
Running tcpdump directly on the guest is the path of least effort.
 
raz
1:46 PM
haha, well that's true
 
@raz I'd agree certainly on the UI side, but it seems that much of the core functionality is comparable - certainly the vmx format is fairly common and the underlying options it exposes seem to be fairly common
In any case, I love workstation
I also have a lot of time for Xen, although I've only really looked at the kernel codebase (which is really clean).
 
Sometimes I wish I got paid once a month instead of biweekly
 
raz
@DavidFreitag That's how I get paid, it's freaking awesome.
 
I can never keep track of which week I need to fill out a time sheet and which week I don't
 
raz
I get my money on the 15th of every month. If it lands on a weekend, I get it the Friday before. Guaranteed.
 
1:57 PM
Paychecks are so much more awesome with 20 hours overtime
 
raz
@DavidFreitag I prefer my paychecks to be 40 hours. Since 20 hours of OT means I'm working 20 hours of overtime.
 
@raz Yeah but OT is time and a half and that's awesome.
 
raz
I'd rather just enjoy my 20 hours.
 
I do enjoy those 20 hours
i spend them programming and doing misc. hardware design stuff
Which I would be doing anyway, I just get paid for it in this case
 

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