The DMZ

Saladin

10:00 AM

@AviD its all relative. I'm not here to please your senses

Rоry McCune

@AviD yeah we have to have specific FDE and A-V product installed, but we can configure ourselves

AviD

wat

kalina

@Saladin neither are we here to provide you with the exact answer you want without any research or knowledge on your part

AviD

@RоryMcCune misreferenced, sorry

Saladin

@RoryAlsop if I give you a choice to remove essentials and replace it with some other AV what that be?

Rоry McCune

10:01 AM

@Saladin dude, when you come into a chat room and ask people for advice, it's generally considered not to be wise to insult them, otherwise they may just stop responding to you

kalina

@Saladin You keep pinging somebody who isn't here

AviD

@Saladin that is nonsensical.

Saladin

@kalina I expect nothing from nothing . Don't feel pushed please

AviD

why would he want to do that? Are there reasons?

Saladin

@RоryMcCune its simple principle garbage in garbage out

kalina

10:02 AM

@Saladin indeed, you put garbage in, we gave you garbage back

Rоry McCune

@AviD ahh yeah I think so, it's been a while since it last kicked off I'll look it up..

Saladin

@kalina are you 12???

AviD

@Saladin whuuhh...? what are... ? Umm, is this referring to something? Because it doesnt really seem to make sense.

kalina

@Saladin Are you?

AviD

@Saladin oh cmon, I really dont want to have to kick somebody on a friday.

Rоry McCune

10:02 AM

sorry he was just too annoying

AviD

chill out. NOW.

kalina

he's already gone

Rоry McCune

@AviD too slow little tigger :op

@kalina yeah 'cause I kicked him :)

kalina

now I'm going to have to find somebody else I don't give a shit about to be angsty at

AviD

@RоryMcCune heh missed it indeed

Rоry McCune

10:03 AM

he was just trolling there

kalina

oh goodie, it's back

AviD

@kalina ooh ooh, me! do me! go ahead and angstify at me!

kalina

I said "don't give a shit about", being able to dislike you indicates I give a shit.

Rоry McCune

@Saladin if yer going to troll, please find another room to do it in

AviD

@kalina awww

kalina

10:05 AM

@Saladin allow me to fix something fundamental that I believe you're getting wrong: There is no such thing as "secure" - you cannot "install some AV" and be secure from viruses, it doesn't work like that.

M'vy

@kalina Meaning a random bloke in the street got(or will get) a copious amount of insults thrown in its face for no apparent reasons ?

AviD

@kalina wait, that actually means you care!

kalina

This perfect solution you're looking for is imaginary, there is no such thing

@M'vy he would have to provoke me first, like this guy did

being male and existing is provocation

Saladin

@kalina I provoked your nothingness ??

kalina

@Saladin english, do you speak it?

M'vy

10:07 AM

This is going nowhere

AviD

@kalina why be hatin on teh males?

@M'vy yeah, but fast!

kalina

@AviD Because there are no women in here and I don't want to be responsible for inducing tears

AviD

ah okay

well, no other women. Right now.

kalina

because you scared kisu away

and you scared simon's donut away

Lucas Kauffman

whatever happened to Kisu?

Rоry McCune

10:08 AM

and we're back to tying chat entities to IRL genders , you all know we don't need to do that

Lucas Kauffman

@adi you still together with Kisu?

kalina

and Ohnana decided to switch teams

Saladin

@M'vy what is your choice of personal AV?

M'vy

I'm not going into this debate. A lot has already been said. Just pick one and be done with it. Read reviews, document yourself on the matter. There are plenty of resources on the internet about that.

Saladin

@M'vy mine is not the usual case.

Rory Alsop

10:12 AM

Morning all. was baffled this morning - till I realised Ambiguous Pings

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop ambiguous pings are the best pings

Saladin

@M'vy i don't have licensed copy of windows.

kalina

well they weren't ambiguous pings, were they

they were incorrect pings

Rory Alsop

@kalina you are correct

so - what's going on this morning

Ahh - I see

kalina

nothing is going on

Rory Alsop

10:13 AM

@Saladin you need to start with doing that if you want security. Any security

AviD

@kalina I dont think they are teams

Rory Alsop

I've decided to partake in Black Friday deals (my washing machine decioded to die last night)

kalina

oh right, that's what I was doing, spending money on plugins I'll never use

AviD

@RoryAlsop silly, you're not supposed to put the turkey in the washing machine!

Saladin

@RoryAlsop its a different world, there are limitations I cannot escape but still I need security, i don't want to use essentials, since a few days back i removed it to install malwarebytes and picked far greater infection then it did. Not comparing two engines, but I need the best coverage for windows.

Rory Alsop

10:15 AM

@AviD I had a readlly nice Wagamamas last night with Claire, while the kids were at clubs

@Saladin use both for different things

kalina

@Saladin there you go with that word "best" again

AviD

@RoryAlsop asian food?

Rory Alsop

Malwarebytes spots some things (and is good for removing adware etc) but MSE trumps it for most stuff. But if you use a hacked version of Windows you are potentially completely screwed

Saladin

@kalina can you count the stars for a moment? why be my teacher?

Rory Alsop

@AviD yup - Thai, Japanese and Chinese

kalina

10:17 AM

@Saladin good idea, let's have a look at the stars

AviD

@Saladin seriously, are you a script that @Simon wrote?

kalina

oh right, that's me, I'm all over the star list

AviD

are you trying to replace @Lighty?

kalina

now, getting back to education, since that's what you came here for

Rory Alsop

@Saladin hey - don't be rude. From the transcript I can see folks are trying to help, but you aren't listening

AviD

10:17 AM

sorry @Lighty

Rory Alsop

And I'm sick off work, so I'm grumpy!

Saladin

@RoryAlsop I'm old person here. See my profile. I know how it woks. This @kalina is new for me.

kalina

"This @kalina" is one of the most active people in this room by volume

Rory Alsop

@Saladin Oh yes, I remember you Saladin. Kalina is not new

(sorry Kalina - didn't mean to imply you are nearly as old as me :-)

AviD

@Saladin and yet she seems to know more about these basics than you, even though she is not even in infosec.

Rory Alsop

10:18 AM

@Saladin Old does not excuse things

AviD

@RoryAlsop loss of memory, perhaps.

Rory Alsop

If everyone is trying to provide you with guidance, taking it may be a good idea

AviD

Incontinence, in some cases.

Rory Alsop

@AviD stoppit, you ;-P

AviD

hehe.

Saladin

10:19 AM

@RoryAlsop it wasn't guidance. I wished it was. It was semantic trolling no offense.

kalina

At the request of our visitor I shall leave you to it, since I am neither wanted or needed here and I refuse to be called a troll by some random who doesn't grasp basic security

AviD

@Saladin actually you ARE trying to offend, saying "no offense" doesnt change that.

and it was the best guidance you've got on this subject.

Also, this is the last time I will respond to your trolling nicely.

M'vy

@Saladin Ok. There is no "perfect security" hence no "best" piece of software to do the job.

Saladin

@AviD I will decide what best for me, I'm the problem space not @kalina.

Rory Alsop

@AviD yup - I don't think I'd add anything over what @kalina said. Despite her claims to the contrary, she knows what she is talking about

AviD

10:20 AM

@Saladin got that right

@RoryAlsop ha! in your FACE @kalina!

Lucas Kauffman

M'vy

Security is about risks. If you want a solution that is good for you, do a risk analysis and decide what tools can reduce that risk for you.

Saladin

as a solution givers you cannot come into my "problem space" and tell me what is my problem.

its common-sense engineering principle

AviD

@Saladin actually if you dont understand your own problem, then yes that is the best solution.

if we are feeling charitable.

look up "X/Y problem".

Rоry McCune

@Saladin actually we can, we're entirely free to do that

AviD

10:22 AM

@Saladin common sense, yes, that is what seems to be missing. This is the core problem.

Saladin

@AviD understanding my problem is your problem :) you are the solution giver but laughing on it or trolling on it gets you no where.

Lucas Kauffman

@Saladin yes with lots of synergy, cloud, big data and the requirement to have a full helicopter view to ensure you are using market leading practices.

Saladin

anyhow, I'm off I'm not one man army. I cannot be paid to do this.

Lucas Kauffman

@Saladin you are being paid?

Saladin

I wish i was @LucasKauffman

Rоry McCune

10:23 AM

@Saladin right someone paid you to be in this chat room... darn I must've forgotten to pick my cheque up at the door

AviD

@Saladin a. I am not "the solution giver", we have no such contract. You are asking for a favor. b. laughter gets you everywhere. c. you were actually given DAMN good advice, but you prefer to continue to troll either because of the source, or because it doesnt fit your expectations.

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune I hope it's with recursion that they pay us out :p

AviD

@RоryMcCune Must be SlackHQ, they're hitting up the competition.

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman yeah I've got like 4 years back chat-room pay coming!

Saladin

@AviD your definition of troll is of biased. I cannot expect fairness. Troll started not with me but with the other person, I was busy responding to her unwanted remarks

@AviD your contract you are admin?? you are the site elders? what for

everything comes with price it doesn't have to be tatto'ed over your skin.

Rory Alsop

10:26 AM

@Saladin ^ ?

M'vy

what?

Rory Alsop

@Saladin but read the advice she gave you. She only started playing when you refused it.

and it was very gentle playing

I'd class it as 'joshing'

AviD

@Saladin I will try and retain my patience one last time. You came in here, asked for help, @kalina give it. Very good help, as witnessed by the mass of experts in here. It did not seem to fit what you wanted, so you started being very not nice towards her especially. THIS WILL NOT STAND. You asked, she answered - she does not need your permission, and you explicitly DID want her remarks.

@Saladin what are you talking about??

@RoryAlsop barely that.

Saladin

@RoryAlsop I wasn't in mood seriously, look my previous chat I have a doomed laptop and she is trying to be funny on what level was she helping.

Rоry McCune

@Saladin you realise by suggesting you're trolling, people are actually giving you the benefit of the doubt, because the alternative is that you really are that clueless about human interaction that you think your behavior when asking people for a favour is appropriate

AviD

10:28 AM

@Saladin if you continue with this tone of aggression, you will not be staying here long.

Saladin

@Avid I want nothing from her, as I said I know you most of you by your handles I know whom I'm talking to and what I be getting in return.

AviD

@RоryMcCune good point.

which is worse, really?

@Saladin then you are welcome to leave.

Saladin

@AviD really??

Lucas Kauffman

@Saladin is it because she's a woman :o?

AviD

@Saladin if you want nothing from the people in this room, noone is stopping you from leaving.

Saladin

10:30 AM

@LucasKauffman :)

I can apologize to her

AviD

no

dont bother

you are SO gone.

Saladin

Why ? are you her brother @AviD

Lucas Kauffman

It's Too Late to Apologize ..

►

AviD

no, because I am not a piece of misogynistic crap.

@RoryAlsop do you think at this point site suspension is appropriate yet? or not quite?

M'vy

There's no better lines than K ones.

Lucas Kauffman

10:33 AM

@M'vy ?

M'vy

@LucasKauffman IRC joke

AviD

@kalina I hope you dont mind that I took the liberty of refusing his apology to you.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD apologies should be allowed tho, as long as he doesn't repeat what he did

@AviD turn the other cheeck!

Rory Alsop

@AviD For now, I'd just ignore.

what @Luc said

AviD

@RoryAlsop hmm. The tigger abides.

Rory Alsop

10:34 AM

@AviD hahahaha @TildalWave - an idea for a picture ^

Lucas Kauffman

so let's clear the air, what are you guys having for lunch?

AviD

@LucasKauffman there was a good smbc on that, cant find it now...

M'vy

@LucasKauffman sandwich I guess

Lucas Kauffman

@M'vy with camembert?

kalina

incidentally I'd like to take this moment to allow you all to reflect on how all of that nonsense just occurred because he didn't want to be helped by a woman and then tell me that I'm crazy for disliking men by default

M'vy

10:36 AM

@LucasKauffman I would totally approve of that. Unfortunately I don't think they have some

Lucas Kauffman

@M'vy :( I love camembert on a half piece of baguette with some real butter

AviD

@kalina most men are not like that

Lucas Kauffman

or brie with honey and nuts

M'vy

@LucasKauffman you don't have to tell me that :)))

AviD

disliking men by default is not that much different from him

Rоry McCune

10:37 AM

@kalina well I'd hope that it wouldn't quite get to "by default" but I can understand how stereotypes get formed that's for sure

kalina

@AviD "#notallmen" - enough that it matters. Not all developers write malware but white list by default is still a stupid idea

AviD

@kalina pffft fair enough.

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman there ought to be no other sort.

Rory Alsop

@kalina oh, I'd agree with this, but also don't Blacklist. Risk manage and be happy to drop an individual into blacklist at the drop of a hat. Whitelist needs to be earned.

@LucasKauffman Sadly I think just a cheese and ham toastie

AviD

I wasnt going for #notallmen, I was saying you cant generalize a theory based on an overwhelmingly small population.

Lucas Kauffman

10:38 AM

@JourneymanGeek take a camembert (cheap one like president) and put it in the bbq so it melts completely, then dip in with pieces of bread

AviD

its practically a statistical anomaly.

kalina

@AviD you forget that this is the life I've lived

it only looks like a statistical anomaly when you're looking in from the outside

Saladin

@Avid we can be friends?

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek which reminds me, where can I get camembert in Singapore and how much does it cost?

kalina

oh, he's back... well I was basically done for the day anyway

AviD

10:39 AM

@kalina or the other way around.

@Saladin doubtful. But if you can be civil, we can go from there.

@kalina aaaaaaaa

Saladin

gosh @kalina I'm not a monster

we started on a wrong foot @kalina

AviD

debatable.

M'vy

and what a foot it is.

Saladin

10:41 AM

I didn't know as a girl you are more sensitive to "stupid things" something.

Guys take it differently. I don't want her to go because of me.

Lucas Kauffman

@Saladin yep now you've done it

AviD

@Saladin uhhhh no

M'vy

oh boy...

Lucas Kauffman

@Saladin the issue is that you do not see her as an equal, you are thinking in stereotypes.

@Saladin we don't like discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, skin color, disability or hand-eating customs.

Rоry McCune

if that guy hadn't been a member of the site for almost four years, I'd have sworn that was Internet performance art, on "how fast can I anger generally tolerant people"

AviD

10:44 AM

we, dont tolerate intolerance here.

Rоry McCune

@AviD it was a fine combination of intolerance, rudeness, ignorance and bone-headedness

Lucas Kauffman

especially the last part to be fair :p

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman if he was just a mysoginist he would've clocked that we don't like that kind of thing round here, but the bone-headedness prevented that realization

Terry Chia

I enter this room and there's drama already. Cool.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia yes there is Terry, we are fighting for equal rights for females

Rоry McCune

10:48 AM

on an entirely unrelated note, my Zotac ZBox turned up :) compact and pretty easy to work on...

will be interested to see what the performance is like

M'vy

@TerryChia I'd go with not cool. It's impairing the balance of this chat room.

Adi

@LucasKauffman Yep

She's just too busy with work, thesis, and a few other things

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune let me know, might buy one as a home computer

@M'vy fml: delicia.com.sg/camembert-cheese-p-39.html

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman cool. this one is likely a bit underpowered for that (fanless), I got it as a firewall/network server as it's got two Gig-E ports + wireless

M'vy

@LucasKauffman yeah

Lucas Kauffman

10:52 AM

@M'vy too expensive -_-

for the cheapest camembert ever

M'vy

@LucasKauffman yeah. I can get it from 1.45 eur

Lucas Kauffman

yea

Rоry McCune

@M'vy @LucasKauffman sounds like you need to start a Camembert smuggling ring!

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune I can add it to my beer smuggling ring

they go well together

M'vy

bbl

kalina

11:02 AM

is it safe

Adi

@RоryM Remember the aged meat I told I was making?

Rоry McCune

@kalina I think @AviD did a more comprehensive kick

Adi

Today I tasted it

Rоry McCune

@Adi aye

@Adi good?

Adi

Holy wow! It actually taste decent

Rоry McCune

11:03 AM

@Adi \o/

Adi

A bit too salty, but suitable for eating with beer

Everybody who tasted my meat said it actually tastes like something you'd by from a store

5

Which is pretty good since this is my first time

Rоry McCune

yeah good first effort on that and winning the DMZ "statements easily taken out context award" for today :oP

kalina

well, double helping of upset, are we going for the trifecta?

Rоry McCune

@kalina lets hope not! we can have a nice calm rest of friday

Terry Chia

@kalina Ping @Simon?

kalina

11:10 AM

good point, I should probably just avoid

oh ffs

oh no

@kalina hello

leave me alone

I'm sorry. Will be more tolerant to your views from now.

kalina

your apology means nothing, leave me alone

Saladin

11:15 AM

I know, but with time perhaps you can forget what has happened and forgive me.

Adi

@kalina What did it do?

Saladin

beside its thanksgiving and Christmas around the corner it hard to be angry on anyone.

Rоry McCune

@Adi read up this mornings transcript, and I'd imagine all will become clear

Saladin

I can accept system breakup but not hearts @RoryAlsop you kicked me how many times now?

Rоry McCune

I'm guessing you might mean me, not Mr Alsop, and the answer is once. the other time was someone else I'd guess one of the mods

Saladin

11:22 AM

one of your friends :)

What you guys do for xmas? beside the usual?

the silence is killing...

@AviD you are not misogynistic but you are neither logical at all....banning people for freedom of speech is your laughable interpretation of term "gender discrimination".

Terry Chia

@Saladin You have freedom of speech but you can speak elsewhere.

Saladin

11:37 AM

@TerryChia what is this? great wall of china!

Terry Chia

@Saladin I think it is very obvious you aren't welcomed here. Please go away.

Saladin

you have freedom of speech to call me misogynistic crap I don't have freedom to call her sensitive ?? @TerryChia

@TerryChia fight with logic not with blinded emotions.

Adi

@RоryMcCune Here we go..

Rоry McCune

@Adi I think you get the picture don't you

Terry Chia

@Saladin You have the freedom of speech to say whatever you want but we also have the freedom to tell you to shut up and go away if we don't like what you say.

Adi

11:43 AM

Meh

kalina

@Saladin you're complaining because somebody has violated your right to freedom of speech, yet you have no issue violating my rights to not being discriminated against

Adi

I don't expect much from the guy who came to the DMZ 3 years ago asking for the best places to get hookers in London

Saladin

@TerryChia wow really:) so rules are for weak not for strong?

Adi

@kalina It's that guy chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/25729421#25729421

Rоry McCune

@Adi really ... wow I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not

Saladin

11:45 AM

@kalina I misread you ok? I'm not even fighting over it. I'm accepting I was wrong. I didn't give time to understand you.

kalina

you weren't interested in reading what I was saying, even though I was being helpful and answering the question you were asking, on the grounds that you do not determine me to be an acceptable individual to answer you

Saladin

@kalina look Its not just my day. My laptop its not even mine its my sister in law.

kalina

#careface

Adi

Found it

Mar 19 '13 at 19:24, by asadz

anyhow, lets talk about london again.

So it was 2.5 years ago, not 3

Saladin

wow I'm so old, thanks for doing free forensic on my profile:)

Adi

11:47 AM

Mar 19 '13 at 19:02, by Lucas Kauffman

@asadz are you asking us to make you a list where you can get hookers in London?

Mar 19 '13 at 19:01, by asadz

british women but my friend said he got the girl outside one of the shops in the red light district area and somehow convinced him for a strip show for 5 pounds only but as he entered she started asking more; i mean like 50 pounds and even try to blackmail him call the bouncer of him on pretext that he touched or tried to hit her.

kalina

at least he has a better name now

Saladin

@kalina :) but thats my real name:(

Adi

@Saladin Yeah man. I had to take a course to teach me forensics using the search box

kalina

search box forensics are the best kind

Saladin

@Adi but thats like biased filter I'm sure I have wrote something good on this chat room.

like ever.

Adi

11:49 AM

@Saladin Of course you have.

and I wrote some batshit insane stuff in here

but I didn't ask for help finding hookers in London

Saladin

@Adi lets not talk about it now.

Adi

Mar 19 '13 at 19:24, by asadz

anyhow, lets talk about london again.

Saladin

:(

@kalina i like your avatar? what its called...

Adi

sigh

kalina

an avatar

Saladin

11:52 AM

hahah

no I mean the character name

Adi

@kalina How come you didn't get what he means?!

:|

kalina

sorry I have a bad experience answering his questions and I don't want to just jump in there being as helpful as possible in case he takes offence to the fact I have breasts.

Saladin

don't ruin my friendly talk with her please @Adi

Adi

:D

@kalina Sorry :(

I ruined your romantic evening

Saladin

I'm sensitive too bit more then a girl in a way

Adi

11:53 AM

:D

kalina

all men are if you kick them in the nuts

Saladin

I'm zodiac sign cancerian:)

this line should be in sequel of move barbwire 'all men are if you kick them in the nuts'

kalina

#yawn

Saladin

hahah

what are you plans for xmas?

Adi

For Xmas, nothing

Terry Chia

11:55 AM

God, this is like @Simon if he was 543534808085034x more annoying.

kalina

I am not christian

Adi

For Christmas, sleeping

Saladin

but xmas is for everyone, I'm not christian as well

we should have an excuse to celebrate LOVE.

kalina

why would you celebrate a christian holiday if you're not christian?

Adi

@TerryChia Now I feel like I miss Mellon

Terry Chia

11:57 AM

@Adi Indeed.

Saladin

it will not go against my faith beside I see these festive occasions are nice way to unite people of different faith. Obams attends muslims "ifftar dinners" why?

interfaith harmony simple.

Adi

Saladin

If we want to be so "anal" about it then the xmas sales , black Friday etc be only applicable to those who have identifiable proof of their religion? right

bad for economy.

wow:)

i feel so honored but i was hoping it will come from @kalina it didn't ...!

kalina

@Saladin I think all religion is nonsense, religious people are no different from rapid harry potter fans or the people who queue outside of apple stores for a week to get a new iphone

if you want to base your entire existence around a work of fiction, go for it

Terry Chia

@kalina At least you get a shiny iPhone out of queueing.

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