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2:00 PM
@kalina so, at least 5 ft 7, yes?
 
@kalina so like 5' 4"
 
lol
inb4
 
3'2"
 
@RoryAlsop basically yes
@RоryMcCune too short
 
@kalina I was guessing
 
2:00 PM
well you guessed wrong
 
Think you worked out @kalina's height some time back?
 
@RoryAlsop yeah but my memory is terrible :)
 
@RoryAlsop Still leaves a huge list of possible candidates.
 
and realised there was no OpSec fail as she was average UK height
 
#fogey
 
2:01 PM
You know what else is terrible?
 
@Simon peanut M&M's
just wrong
 
Probably.
 
@RoryAlsop on the other hand, the peanut butter ones are nice ;p
 
@RoryAlsop average height across the whole of europe
 
@JourneymanGeek even worserererer
 
2:02 PM
We must agree to disagree there ;p
 
certainly the countries I have passports in
and big hands
because big hands are good
 
@JourneymanGeek I went to the M&M shop in Vegas and tried....well, many. No flavours were good, because American chocolate is different
@kalina OMG - you need a ... Bass Player!
 
no that would cause issues
 
Oh, if you want proper chocolate...
 
I don't need some boy who strums on his guitar
 
2:03 PM
@JourneymanGeek yup - Venezuela
 
when I want bass I can create bass
 
@kalina dammit - that's me out
 
real booming bass
super low end
floor shaking hair moving growls
not some twang
 
muh wubwubs
 
@kalina are you sure you aren't a fan of Sepultura?
 
2:04 PM
all bass should WUBWUBWUBWUBWUB
 
they have all that
 
@JourneymanGeek have not tried - wonder if I can order it online from Sainsbury's :-)
 
(ahh singapore. I can find anything. But bloody pizza oil)
 
@RoryAlsop mumbles something about Belgium and chocolate
 
2:06 PM
BLOODY PIZZA OIL
 
@Arperum My scale of chocolate goodness has Central America at the top, then UK, then Belgium, then Switzerland. USA is not on my list at all, as their description of chocolate is not mine.
I may add Ghana after tasting that one
 
@JourneymanGeek olive oil?
 
@RoryAlsop I haven't eaten UK chocolate. Might have eaten central american chocolate. Not a fan of Swiss or German chocolate though.
 
@Arperum There is some tat here in the UK too, but so many nice chocolates that have not yet been corrupted by Nestle owning everything
 
naw, Its a fairly neutral oil wiith spices and stuff in it
 
2:10 PM
currently having an in depth discussion about something important on skype, random friend not invited to the conversation gets invited to the session, we all suddenly start talking complete and utter nonsense about snorting cheese sauce with straws wrapped in gold leaf and how cocaine makes water taste better
 
@RoryAlsop you mean how Quality Street went from quality to street?
 
that individual is awfully confused
 
@kalina hahahahaha - that's the way it should be
@TildalWave yes
 
@JourneymanGeek veggie oil probably. you could make it yourself
 
@Ohnana oh, I've been making my own variations on it but a basdeline would be nice.
Mine's certainly hotter
 
2:12 PM
I like hotter
what are we talking about?
 
Oil apparently.
 
hot oil is a fantastic weapon
load up your supersoaker full of it and go spray down some old people
you can find them at bus stops
 
@kalina Supersoakers or fried old people?
 
well I duno
 
@kalina ...okay... (this worries me, as I am old...er)
 
2:18 PM
pls I have better things to be doing than wandering the streets
besides if I were going to do that it'd be my security team that had the supersoakers
 
@kalina Meh - I'm at home anyway. You go oil up a bus-stop
lol
 
like I want to get heated oil on my skin
might break a nail, etc
 
@kalina Spas charge a lot for that sort of thing
apparently
 
y'all need jesus
 
@Ohnana My variations are tasty, but I'm missing something.
 
2:20 PM
@RoryAlsop not heated to t he same level I was thinking of
 
@JourneymanGeek salt
 
@Ohnana we all need a fictional character that never existed?
 
Currently I use an olive oil base, coriander, rosemary, red chillis.
 
y'all need darth vader
 
Naw, not salt.
 
2:20 PM
@kalina or Doktor Mayhem
 
@Ohnana Salty jesus?
 
I remember there's bigass sprigs of something in the bottles.
 
@JourneymanGeek yes salt. it'll bring out the flavor
 
or @kalina's alter ego
:-)
 
@JourneymanGeek rosemary?
 
2:20 PM
@JourneymanGeek big ass-sprigs?
 
like, fresh rosemary
 
Nae, quite certainly dried.
 
@RoryAlsop my alter ego is fully backstopped
 
But I don't remember. Not seen the stuff in like a decade.
 
2:21 PM
Used to be super common in the UK and france.
 
and has a life story starting <oh well that would have been a major op sec failure>
 
@Ohnana: Its been aaaaages
hm
Might be thyme.
 
@kalina in a little town in Iowa, where a burgeoning interest in cars and travel, translated in to a career in truck driving
 
Which would explain it
 
2:22 PM
@JourneymanGeek hwat
 
@RоryMcCune lol... no :/
 
@Ohnana: I touchtype ;p Sometimes I touch the keyboard in the wrong places.
 
@JourneymanGeek you touch your keyboard inappropriately?
 
Sometimes inappropriate letters come out of my keyboard.
 
as a result of your keyboard molestation?
there is nothing to be ashamed of, my phone has touched me inappropriately as well
 
2:24 PM
I wouldn't call it molestation.
 
@JourneymanGeek more of a rat den?
 
Also, unrelatedly, I'm really digging into the badlands.
 
@kalina today is a wonderfully sharing kind of day I feel
 
Maybe a mouse house.
 
do you know what's weird - having Koyaanisqatsi playing while also watching Babymetal on the other screen
 
2:25 PM
@RoryAlsop sure, why not, I'm pretty sure every woman at some point has looked at a dual shock controller and wondered
 
@kalina I'd hope so too
I always worry about those who don't think these things at least once
where's their imagination?
 
this device vibrates
I wonder...
 
Apparently not in the gutter?
;p
 
well yes, it does work, but the form factor isn't ideal
but knowing that, I have issues with using other people's game controllers
 
@kalina hahahahahahahaha
babywipes
fixed that for you
 
2:29 PM
I'm the same with keyboards and other devices shared with other people
other people's smart phones
 
avoid those, that's basically the plague just there
 
I have guest hardware.
 
@RoryAlsop "hey want to come over and play GTA5...." "Sure just let me grab my babywipes"
 
Only one person's allowed to touch my keyboard ;p
(My nephew, who's so inheriting it when I upgrade)
 
2:32 PM
fortunately I can't see bacteria
otherwise I'd probably freak out
studies show that smart phones are basically coated in death
but that death is specific to the user and so the user is generally immune
 
by the same guy who did I'm Still Alive
"You might not see them, but they're there"
 
I wonder if you could like put ebola on somebody's phone and it would kill them
 
@kalina nah - ebola is not that great at surviuving outside the host
what you want to do is mutate the cold or flu
they are hardy bugs
 
ok so replace ebola with something that would survive
 
inb4
;-P
 
2:35 PM
WHATEVER
 
man it ain't good when you get ninja'd by a #Fogey
 
@RoryAlsop heh, now I have babymetal MTVs playing. ALL YOUR FAULT.
 
hardly, it's more an indication of how much I'm running out of energy
 
@kalina and I'm not even on top form #decaffeinatedfogey
 
I'm fairly confident I could fall back asleep right now
 
2:38 PM
FUN FACT: Signing Conficker with the eDellRoot CA makes it evade a bunch of antimalware apps. CONFICKER.
 
and in light of how I have nothing else to do, I'm considering it
but, what aw aste of a day
 
@kalina (remember the dual shock controller...)
sorry
needlessly inappropriate
@RоryMcCune waah - wut
 
well dual shock is a bit dated now, I was talking younger
 
@RоryMcCune oh fuuuuck
 
@kalina if you've worn it out you can get a new one
 
2:40 PM
and then really it's just you bunch of old guys joking about a teen and a vibrating controller
@RoryAlsop no now I use tools more appropriate for the role
 
@kalina yeah. Sorry
 
like Rez, and the Trance Vibrator
a PS2 peripheral that can be nothing other than a sex aid
 
Rez is an awesome game.
 
it is, and the trance vibrator pulses along to the soundtrack
 
That whole concept (including Frequency, Amplitude etc) was awesome
 
2:42 PM
turning a single player game into a... multi... participant single player game
the only time ever when you can legitimately discuss the "best" way through a level in terms of physical effects
 
@RoryAlsop yeah I know, so apparently A-V places trust in any kind of code-signing
not sure how widespread the problem is
 
@kalina I had not realised specific thing existed. gamegirladvance.com/2002/10/sex-in-games-rezvibrator.html
 
@RoryAlsop yes,that's where I foudn out about it
I didn't believe it was a real thing either
I bought a japanese ps2 just to test it
 
hahaha - brilliant
is it sad I got a PS-2 for the games
(well, I didn't buy it - I won it, but still)
 
there's nothing wrong with playing games on them
 
2:46 PM
@RoryAlsop: I don't judge.
 
I just had to test that some company had managed to get something like that under the radar
apparently it was meant to improve the experience of the game
well, SUCCEEDED
 
(I'm totally a PC guy, but that's cause I can't quite get used to anything but keyboard and mouse.)
 
japanese people win game development
 
you can't play and indulge at the same time though, conflict of interests
 
Oh for now.
 
2:49 PM
I notice nobody has really pushed it beyond that since though
well after successfully derailing the conversation and subsequently keeping the momentum of derailed conversation going for a bit, it appears we've hit a wall/fallen off a cliff/broken everything/ripped a hole in the space-time continuum
oh
speaking of continuum
isn't there supposed to be a half season soon?
 
@kalina I was waiting for @Adi or @DavidFreitag to come out with the definitive 'gaming' aid
 
OH MY GOD
I missed season 4 of continuum?!
 
well, that's the rest of your day sorted :-)
 
well no, super slot torrenting
obviously they're all in the list now
DOWNLOADING TORRENTS ILLEGALLY #yolo
can somebody explain to me why I have no moral issue with downloading movies and TV shows but always buy music?
 
@kalina yeah these creatives types don't need to get paid, they should be doing it for the love of art!
 
2:57 PM
oh right, that's why I do it
people in movies and TV make millions while (many) people who make music don't
 
@RоryMcCune as someone who used to work in the creative industry...
meh.
 
i gauge whether or not to buy something with how much I want to see things like it keep going
 
@JourneymanGeek really if everyone torrents a show, no more series will be made
 
@kalina its a short season, just wrapped up the story.
 
awesome game -- no pirate. shitty flash game that shouldn't be asking money? lolol TPB
 
2:58 PM
all it does if some people do it, is shift costs from them to the people who do pay
 
@Ohnana Continuum (and many other examples) are the reason I don't bother with the system and just torrent them
 
torrent - great for .iso files
 
@RоryMcCune heh, I'm getting netfix if they have 4k
 
They'll happily cancel one of the best new science fiction shows of recent times so they can produce season 92 of something shit
 
@Ohnana I prefer, awesome game --> pay, shitty game, just don't play it
 
2:58 PM
Also that.
 
if I like something (or if someone I trust to make good recommendations advises me to) then I'llbuy it
 
I try to pay for stuff I like where-ever possible so they'll make more of it
 
@RоryMcCune yeah, that's usually how it goes. usually i'm downloading it to investigate one thing then nuking it from my hard drive
 
thus patreon for webcomic/youtubers
 
works out a method of covertly advising @RoryAlsop to purchase my entire back catalog
 
2:59 PM
this does mean that the vast majority of games I have are unplayed (or at least under 20 minutes)
 
@RоryMcCune Also, I worked in a VFX shop for a while, and the economics for movies is beyond fucked up
 
@kalina if I hear and like it, I'l; buy it. I'm not entirely wedded to rock, you know :-)
 
I buy games cause its easy and no friction (from steam), ditto with books.
 
Really enjoying this right now
 
you ruined it
 
3:00 PM
@kalina lol
 
Not found a music option that meets my needs and is as low friction. Ditto with TV shows or movies.
 
Ahhh - I got it. @Kalina is both Veronicas - #turnupforthebooks
 
omg the veronicas
they were my tegan and sara
 
@Ohnana I may end up playing guitar for a cover band doing that song
@Ohnana and those are?
 
@RoryAlsop iconic lesbian band
 
3:01 PM
nice harmonies - hadn't heard of them previously
@Ohnana googles
 
tegan and sara did the soudntrack to the lego movie
EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
 
@RoryAlsop hey do you know, is there an AC/DC cover band called Edison/Tesla yet?
 
@kalina not heard it
@RоryMcCune googles more
 
EVERYTHING IS COOL IF YOU'RE PART OF A TEAM
 
3:02 PM
rofl
 
EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
WHEN YOU'RE LIVING THE DREAM
 
@RоryMcCune well, Tesla are still great live. Saw them last year
And then there is this:
 
@RoryAlsop noooo not clicking an ERB link in work hours
 
epic! rap! SLKDFJASLKDAJFLKSJFDLKJDS HISTORYYYYY
 
EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY
Thomas Edison
VERSES
NIKOLA TESLAAAAAAAAAAAA begin
 
3:04 PM
tesla is going to win
because the internet has a hard on for him
 
Step up, you'll be shocked when I spit and start static
I'll rip your style and add it to my long list of patents
while you were busy digging ditches and burning bridges I'm pumping out inventions, stacking riches, so get back to your pigeons
you're a geek, plagued by OCD, you never had sex but you sure got screwd by me
my memory has failed so whatever
I prefered Tesla's verses
 
was that from memory?
ok - I'm impressed
 
whoa
that's devotion
 
@Ohnana well tbh tesla wins because the second half of each of his verses flows perfectly
 
@kalina ya the channel really stacks the deck
gates v hawking was kinda neat
 
3:07 PM
censys.io <-- free shodan-like service...
 
You fool! You think that you can touch me with this? You couldn't handle my gifts with your greedy little mind, what's inside mine was ahead of its own time - you did not steal from me you stole me from mankind!
 
gawd - Mozart vs Skrillex
 
It's the wireless transmission of truth, and it's a shocking real story of a banker and you, and if the people knew you stopped me from making power free - they would curse the con Edison with every utility
@RoryAlsop my name is skrillex man, welcome to the devil's den, I'm a scarey monster stomping this spirte in frilly pants
 
it amazes me that scanning of the whole IPv4 Internet, which was once considered costly and slow, is now de-rigeur
 
@kalina no way
 
3:09 PM
what, so I forget that speed = distance / time but I remember lyrics to most of the things I've heard during my lifetime
 
@kalina :-)
Speed = C9H13N, surely
 
this battle's gonna end like every argument does - with you kissing my ass, and begging me for a rub. I made a map motherfucker and I'm reading it to, gives me specific instructions how to fuck with you
and then the next line from memory is from the next verse!?
 
I need defragmentation for human brain
@RoryAlsop so pretty
 
3:17 PM
eugh
I used to be enthusiastic about things like this but it's kinda wore out already
random people you don't know doing "their remix" of one of your tracks and then asking you what you think
 
I saw bright yellow -> cool -> share cos pretty
@kalina oh, right - thought you meant the pic
 
HEY I REMIXED UR TRACK CAN U LISTEN AND LET ME KNOW WHAT U THINK
 
@kalina I'll do a blues 'remix' ... or something
@kalina just say no
 
opens it
sounds like horrible
deletes email
 
hahahaha
 
3:18 PM
You can't just say "no"
 
of about 40 remixes of our stuff we heard 4 or 5 we liked
 
if you say no people get upset
 
okay, change no to 'too busy'
or 'lost emails'
 
no, you can't be too busy for your fans
 
or 'legal have an issue'
 
3:19 PM
I go with "you responded to a noreply email address"
 
hahahahaha
 
and silence treatment
if you say no, they ask why or complain in public
if you say yes, they want you to sign it and won't accept no for an answer
if you ignore them entirely they'll email multiple times and then give up
 
that works rhen
 
I'm a little bothered that I've chilled to this experience so much though
tbh, I've chilled to many different aspects of this
 
@kalina hazard of fame, huh
 
3:21 PM
I don't respond to "can you give me advice on..." emails anymore
I don't respond to anything that looks even remotely speculative
"how much do you charge..." etc
I did used to be more helpful but I found that it escalated rapidly to me being the ears and them just banging out exports with more and more changes without really paying attention
 
Sounds like a classic help vampire.
 
when you get to the point where you've listened to the same person make the same mistake for the 10th time, and you've heard more of this track recently than the one you're currently writing, it's time to re-evaluate
but t hen there is the kind of people who know nothing about music production and haven't ever written anything who "remix" one of your tracks and think it's awesome
and you're listening to it going "this is definitely going to damage public perception of my existence"
 
The cryptography library in OWASP's phpsec uses a hard-coded key, static hard-coded IV, and opens the door for PHP object injection.
Sigh
 
@Xander yeah OWASP has a big problem with "not ready for production" projects getting used .. TBF they recognize it and have been taking some steps the the right direction
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah, I just complained about it again in my annual member survey. I know they're taking steps to fix it, but they have a long way to go.
 
3:34 PM
@Xander I think the problem generally arises from people's initial enthusiasm on a project and wanting to get it up there, when really it shouldn't be on view generally till it's "done" also OWASP is traditionally bad at segmenting their projects into "release quality" and "not release quality"
with that said I do think projects making use of open source libs like the OWASP stuff have a level of obligation to look at what their using and whether it's meant to be release quality or not...
 
@RоryMcCune Yep, for sure, and also getting people who know enough to properly review these things to give them the stamp of approval that they are in fact ready. I've gone and looked at this particular class, and it's quite awful.
 
@Xander I always find it amusing when I read standards or other docs that refer to OWASP things as "authoritative" when you know the process of a lot of their creation...
 
@RоryMcCune Yup. I don't know why anyone (OWASP or otherwise) is still trying to write crypto code rather than just using the DefuseSec library.
@RоryMcCune Ha ha, yes.
 
very low funding, totally dependent on individuals having time/motivation to complete
kinda like the OpenSSL / GPG things. People place huge reliance for big corps. on things that have very limited funds...
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah, for sure.
 
3:45 PM
@RоryMcCune this is the thing we have had no success in getting big corps to realise: they need to help fund the key open source projects that underpin their infrastructure
 
@RoryAlsop yeah I cant' see how this could go wrong for them at all </sarcasm> :)
 
@Xander because PHP
isnt PHP the poster child for NIH?
 
@AviD inb4 @Simon "PHP is life" comment
 
@RоryMcCune the bigger problem is anybody can push a project and call it OWASP. which is also starting to have some form of governance....
@Xander heh, so did I.
@RоryMcCune I think the bigger problem is that a lot of the noisier contributers are not security people. especially to code projects.
 
Jul 10 at 14:29, by Simon
@RоryMcCune PHP is love, PHP is life.
 
3:50 PM
@Xander bugger - I haven't renewed this year
need to remember to do that
 
so hey, do we have any pythonistas in the crowd today?
 
@AviD well they've been trying to address that
@AviD paging @TerryChia
 
@RоryMcCune yeah exactly
@TerryChia in Python, does it ever make sense, or even possible, to import a method directly, instead of a whole module? I have not been able to find anything specifically describing that, but I have seen some references to such behavior...
 

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