The DMZ

TildalWave

3:00 PM

sure, I read fairy tales too

Journeyman Geek

I consider faith of any sort a tool for good or evil.

TildalWave

no problem with that

but I don't go around killing people in the name of Cthulhu do I?

Journeyman Geek

naw

Ohnana

@JourneymanGeek ya really. a lot of the terror acts in the US are by christians... because we have a lot of christians

Journeyman Geek

but people kill for any reason.

Mark Hulkalo

3:00 PM

@Ohnana I've never heard of a Christian terrorist, though.

Journeyman Geek

and well, understanding the masterminds are fucking cowards is a good first step.

@MarkHulkalo mcveigh?

Mark Hulkalo

He was?

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek well they're just downgrading their own existence to vermin with it

Journeyman Geek

yup

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah what a scumbag

I didn't know he was a christian

Journeyman Geek

3:01 PM

@TildalWave: terrorists are vermin

@MarkHulkalo same way OBL is a muslim I guess.

Ohnana

Christian terrorism

Christian terrorism comprises terrorist acts by groups or individuals who profess Christian motivations or goals. == HistoricalEdit == === Gunpowder PlotEdit === The early modern period in Britain saw religious conflict resulting from the Reformation and the introduction of Protestant state churches. The 1605 Gunpowder Plot was a failed attempt by a group of English Catholics including Guy Fawkes to assassinate King James I, and to blow up the Palace of Westminster, the English seat of government. According to Vahabph D. Aghai, "The beginnings of modern terrorism can be traced back to ...

TildalWave

yes and they'll go at great length to prove that

Ohnana

edumacate

Mark Hulkalo

Regardless of religion, people will find a reason to kill

Journeyman Geek

There's hindu extremism.

Ohnana

3:02 PM

also, check the See Also article on anti-abortion violence -- almost all christians

Journeyman Geek

Hell, there's buddist extremist monks

but its not about 'god'

Mark Hulkalo

@JourneymanGeek Yep, they've bombed a lot of places in China.

Journeyman Geek

its about people perverting religon as a font of evil

Mark Hulkalo

@Ohnana Yeah, I don't get that. I mean, if you're against abortion because it's murder, then ok, that's your choice. But going and murdering other people to protest murder? Huh?

That's nonsensical.

TildalWave

I hate that logic "all of this is His domain" and then "but not all people are His" ... WTF?

Journeyman Geek

3:03 PM

@MarkHulkalo: those people are obviously mentally ill, and need to be put away.

Ohnana

@MarkHulkalo makes sense if you believe in the death penalty and "god's wrath" -- which is almost always fatal

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, mental illness is a huge problem in America.

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave: I believe if a deity has a damned problem, he/she/they ought to deal with it themselves.

Mark Hulkalo

If you admit to being mentally ill, you're ostracized. So these people can't get help

Journeyman Geek

A little lightning and loud voics go a long way.

Mark Hulkalo

3:04 PM

If they didn't believe in God, they'd either invent one, or find some other reason to kill. "The government is after me!" etc

Journeyman Geek

yup

Mark Hulkalo

There's always a scapegoat, or a source, that people cling on to

Journeyman Geek

or reptilians

Mark Hulkalo

lol

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo Did they murder in the name of the islam? Also if you are being afraid for that reason: be very afraid near christian, christians murdered loads of people. Being afraid of someone because of his religion is stupid.

Mark Hulkalo

3:05 PM

@Arperum I'm not afraid, my wife is.

Ohnana

@JourneymanGeek hear hear. don't create a bunch of assholes and expect them to get along without supervision

Austin Hartzheim

@Arperum I think that really depends on what part of the world you are in.

Journeyman Geek

And that's a thing

Don't dignify these people by calling them "islamic fundamentalists"

In the counties which arn't in a war, call them criminals.

in countries that are, depending on what side you are "the enemy" seems suitable, or local militia.

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo I live in Belgium, it's a sort of tiny country, it is supposed to be the source of all evil if you believe the news recently. We had six bomb alerts this morning. Half of everything big is cancelled because stupid fear. And I see no reason to be afraid.

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, agreed

TildalWave

3:07 PM

@JourneymanGeek Well there's always gonna be lunatics proclaiming themselves as hands of God, and taking matters into their own hands, won't they? Seems to me all this religion nonsense is just brainwashing people to be more malleable to ideas of other people. That's why I hate religion of any kind. But I absolutely don't hate faith. The difference being, one is a personal belief, the other is an institution.

Journeyman Geek

@Arperum well, these sort of incidents don't happen often cause they arn't easy.

Arperum

At least three of the bomb alerts were false alarms though, I don't know about the other three, probably fake too.

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave but quite often people crave structure.

and well, they are lunatics

Mark Hulkalo

Doesn't change the fact that ISIS has issued a bunch of threats to attack X, Y, and Z, and are coming through with their threats in the case of France.

Journeyman Geek

by not giving the ones that exist the sort of attention they want, you cut back on the payoff

Mark Hulkalo

3:09 PM

Most muslims are completely against ISIS

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHulkalo its essentially a police mater tho.

especially as there's a local backlash.

Mark Hulkalo

But the media fearmongering is painting all of them as extremists

Ohnana

and we have ppl advocating for a national registry

Journeyman Geek

Round em up, shoot the ones with explosive accessories, put the rest in a deep dark hole.

(even if the roman solution for this sort of problem seems appealing)

Ohnana

nothing like a common enemy to bring out the nazi in all of us

Mark Hulkalo

3:11 PM

@Ohnana It begins...

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo Ya well, ISIS is mostly caused by Europe/US anyway. US caused a power vacuum, EU has been busy being a bunch of racist assholes, and keeping certain groups out of society, if these then turn around and attack you...

TildalWave

well that's equally wrong innit?

Arperum

You reap what you sow.

Journeyman Geek

@Ohnana IMO treating the 'good' ones bad feeds the bad ones.

Ohnana

@JourneymanGeek "IMO" -- that's not an opinion. that's a fact

Arperum

3:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yes.

Ohnana

i'm scared for my muslim friends

Mark Hulkalo

Me too. I work with some great people who just want to live in peace

I'm afraid someone might try to ostracize them

TildalWave

it's just another form of forming people's opinions... we should all get to grips, not just some religious extremists, otherwise we'll all become the same

Ohnana

not only do they have to worry about some asshole jihadi deciding they're not muslimy enough, but they have to worry about some asshole skinhead deciding they're too muslimy

Mark Hulkalo

^

You nailed it

TildalWave

3:12 PM

truth is, this world is ruled by idiots

anywhere I look

we've all got used to blaming others for our own problems because that's easier than looking hard into ourselves

Journeyman Geek

@Ohnana I don't believe in absolutes. There's many way to deal with the issues at hand. Many of them might actually be humane and intellegent.

so, its my opinion.

But I also wish we could change the narrative on these things.