The DMZ

raz

3:00 PM

Did the file system matter at all?

Ohnana

@raz just don't reset the bios, whatever you do. I did and I still am trying to clean that up

Simon

My lady donut solved the issue in a classy way: sold the laptop, bought a Macbook.

Ohnana

@raz go for something in the FAT family

David Freitag

@raz I have seen recommendations for NTFS, but that might just be a Windows uefi thing.

raz

@Ohnana Alright, I think I tried NTFS.. I'll give that a shot.

@DavidFreitag Yeah I saw those too. But I was getting pretty frustrated this weekend.

David Freitag

3:01 PM

@Simon By creating another issue?

Ohnana

@raz fat is computer comfort food. as long as your live distro doesn't have monster 4gb files it should be good

Simon

@DavidFreitag Never had an issue even since she got it.

Nor did I.

raz

@Ohnana Haha, awesome

David Freitag

@Ohnana Which is funny because fat is also comfort food for humans, who knew.

raz

@Simon I just don't like Mac's. They work great. Just don't like hte interface.

David Freitag

3:02 PM

You know, that must mean we're all really robots in disguise.

Simon

@raz Oh really? I got used to the UI quite quickly.

Ohnana

macs are good facebook machines. I learned to hate them when I had to administer them, and I learned to have the rage of 5000 suns when I had to do forensics on them

raz

@Simon I can use it, I just don't like it.

Simon

@raz I see, fair enough.

user1794499

Hi

raz

3:03 PM

@Simon I just prefer Linux. Gonna teach my girl how to use it. And say good bye to Windows forever.

Simon

@Ohnana They are great machines for development too.

David Freitag

I would rather spend an entire month with my extended family and no technology.

user1794499

Line Application doesn't have good reviews on it's encryption

raz

Cool

Simon

@raz Yeah that was the plan by dual-booting her on Ubuntu but Mac is just as fine.

Ohnana

3:04 PM

@simon end user stuff is fine with me. A little weird but it's unixy enough. Just don't ask me to do anything above using it

user1794499

Had anyone stepped on any such review

raz

@user1794499 What is Line?

user1794499

I need to know what type of encryption does it implement for the user messages

Line Messaging Application

Ohnana

@user1794499 that looks awful. I'd be surprised if it did

user1794499

Well, Telegram does mention that on their website

Simon

3:05 PM

@Ohnana It's a matter of willingness too. If you hate it, you won't be motivated to go deeper into it.

user1794499

That's another application

Simon

That last line, w0w.

Ohnana

@user1794499 that's a question for the developers, though. contact them, and if they don't respond, then you can packet capture it's traffic and look at it

raz

@user1794499 Line doesn't have the word "secure" on the website. I'd doubt they use anything.

Noordung

@user1794499 You should get pretty good impression of how they prioritize security by just glimpsing through their official pages. If there's no mention of it, then they likely didn't even consider it.

Simon

3:06 PM

@raz Very good point.

Rоry McCune

they have some more info... here developers.linecorp.com/blog/?p=2709

Noordung

A secure implementation is also a selling point. If they had it, they'd use it to advertize their product too.

user1794499

On their blog They mentioned it's encrypted using one of the algorithm recommended by jap. gov.

Simon

lulz jap gov

Noordung

@user1794499 did they mention which year the recommendation was made?

raz

3:08 PM

@Noordung 2013

Noordung

@raz link pls

raz

@Noordung It's in @RoryMcCune's last post.

user1794499

@Noordung the paper sheet is in Japanese but from the URL it seems 2013

raz

There's a link to a japanese 2013 pdf security doc.

user1794499

@Noordung cryptrec.go.jp/images/cryptrec_ciphers_list_2013.pdf

Ohnana

3:10 PM

kk who speaks japanese

raz

You could probably decompile the bytecode pretty easily and find out.

Noordung

@user1794499 thanks!

user1794499

So far I found from wireshark it uses SSL

Noordung

machine translated version translate.google.com/…

user1794499

But I still need to know the alog.

@Noordung Thanks buddy

raz

3:11 PM

@user1794499 That only means the channel to get it to their servers is encrypted. Doesn't mean the messages are.

user1794499

algorithm

raz

@Noordung Google is a beautiful thing.

user1794499

@raz indeed

Because SSL implements various encryption algorithms,isnt?

But which one?

@raz Do you mean they send it in encrypted channel as plain txts?

VPN alike

Rоry McCune

@user1794499 your best bet would likely be to set up an HTTP proxy to look at the application traffic without SSL getting in the way. There are various guides to doing this online, e.g. intrepidusgroup.com/insight/2012/07/…

Simon

@RоryMcCune You're a guide.

Rоry McCune

3:17 PM

@Simon thanks :)

user1794499

@RоryMcCune So in this case all the work would be at the mobile phone..and no need for wireshark?

David Freitag

@Simon A sort of guide for an adventurer to some sort of incomprehensibly immense celestial body of some kind one might say.

user1794499

@RоryMcCune Thanks alot by the way

Rоry McCune

@user1794499 you'll need a computer running win/mac/linux for running burp on...

Simon

@DavidFreitag Interpretation is not my responsibility.

user1794499

3:19 PM

@RоryMcCune I see...

BTW does my phone needs to be rooted?

This is great for me to learn thanks anyway

David Freitag

@user1794499 you should be able to setup a proxy without root, just go into your networking settings.

21

Q: How to change proxy settings in Android (especially in Chrome)

Could you please help me: is it possible to set proxy settings in Android (especially in Chrome)? I have to change IP on Android during the testing. Or there is some soft which can help me to solve this issue...

Rоry McCune

@user1794499 I've not explictly tried this set-up but I don't think so, you just need to have a proxy set-up and install the cert for the proxy tool (that guide or another like it should spell it out...)

raz

@user1794499 Once the message reaches their servers its not protected by SSL anymore.

If they don't use encryption, then it's in plaintext on their servers

user1794499

But the thing is that-for now-I'm doing this for crypto class I need to explain about thier encryption..and if it's encrypted I don't have to decrypt it..But I'd love to do that later on..heheh

Ohnana

@user1794499 I should hope you don't have to decrypt it... then again if you succeeded you'd be famous until computers stop existing

raz

3:24 PM

I would download the APK, and decompile their bytecode. That might be illegal depending on their eula

user1794499

@raz in that case you only can read the msg if you hack the server....but you can't read it if it's transiting (client--> server, server --> client?

raz

@user1794499 correct

Simon

@user1794499 Please refrain from using the term "hack".

We'll appreciate it.

David Freitag

It would be really neat if their "encryption" was just rot13.

Simon

Also, you didn't refer to the servers as "the cloud" so that's a good thing.

David Freitag

3:25 PM

@Simon the butt?

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag rot26. twice as secure hurrhurrhurr

Simon

@Ohnana Ah damn it, I was gonna say that.

THIEF!

raz

@DavidFreitag "No one will suspect it!"

user1794499

@Ohnana hahahah...I know I wont be able to do it...at lease not before computers vanish

Simon

@DavidFreitag da wat

Ohnana

3:26 PM

@simon type faster n00b

Simon

@Ohnana You donut.

David Freitag

@Simon I have a chrome extension that replaces the word 'cloud' with the word butt.

Simon

@DavidFreitag That is amazing.

Ohnana

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/…

David Freitag

@Ohnana Heh, i was halfway there :]

Simon

3:27 PM

60k users? Legit.

Ohnana

/ninja

user1794499

@Simon okay, sure :)

So. it seems no hope to find their encryption algorithm....I mean no reviews or discussions ?..and I don't papers would do that

David Freitag

@user1794499 With the proxy setup you can collect the data, but you will only really be able to tell whether it is encrypted or not by doing that. If you want to get a better idea of what algorithm they might be using I would suggest doing as @raz said earlier and decompile their APK.

Ohnana

@user1794499 send the devs a nice email

they'd probably love the opportunity to gush about their cool product

David Freitag

@Ohnana That assumes they would respond with the truth.

Simon

3:34 PM

@Ohnana You're a cool product.

Ohnana

@simon correct

Rory Alsop

@Simon I don't think these insults are working for you

3

David Freitag

@Simon Your mom... is a really nice person.

Simon

@RoryAlsop I think my Canadian antidote is not working right this morning.

@DavidFreitag Aw, thanks!

David Freitag

@Simon What's that, maple whiskey?

Rory Alsop

3:36 PM

@Simon MC Canadian Stereotype

@DavidFreitag is that a thing?

Simon

@DavidFreitag That sounds good.

Noordung

@DavidFreitag for some reason, this is even scarier than the usual your mom jokes

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop A very delicious thing

Simon

@RoryAlsop The best MC.

Rоry McCune

David Freitag

3:36 PM

@Noordung That's because it's an anti-joke.

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune do you own that badge? That's awesome

user1794499

@DavidFreitag I saw the wiresharks packets using SSL, doesn't that mean it's encrypted ?

Rory Alsop

or at least really funny

raz

@DavidFreitag @user1794499 Just remember that a reverse engineering clause is generally provided in eulas.

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop I don't, just saw it, but now I want one!

David Freitag

3:37 PM

@user1794499 I would assume so.

Noordung

@RоryMcCune Is that a non-capitalized I?!

David Freitag

@raz Oh come on, what's the worst that could happen.

Rоry McCune

@Noordung well the rest of the badge is lower-case so yeah looks like it to me..

user1794499

Okay... @RoryAlsop @raz @Ohnana @DavidFreitag and others thanks a lot

Simon

@DavidFreitag A company with no funds tries to sue you.

raz

3:39 PM

@user1794499 It means the channel used by Line is encrypted. It doesn't mean that the message itself is encrypted.

@DavidFreitag BlackOps come to your house and you're never seen again. But that's the absolute worst case

user1794499

@raz you mean the SSL packets at wireshark capture?

raz

@user1794499 Yes

David Freitag

@raz Perhaps I was never even seen in the first place.

user1794499

@raz I see

Rory Alsop

@user1794499 you probably meant UTF Rory... :-)

raz

3:41 PM

@user1794499 SSL protects data in transit. But if the data itself is not encrypted, then when it gets to its destination. It is no longer protected.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Oh nononono, say no to the morning emoing.

raz

@DavidFreitag spooky music

user1794499

@ sorry whats UTF?

raz

@user1794499 Ultimate Thai Fighting.

David Freitag

@Simon I live at the bottom of the ocean, we don't get many visitors.

Simon

3:42 PM

@DavidFreitag Oh yeah, Spongedavid Square Donut, forgot about that.

user1794499

@RoryAlsop hahaha...maybe

@RoryAlsop MMA..works to?

too*

David Freitag

@Simon The pressure alone is enough to make your eyeballs shrivel, It deters most people I think.

Simon

@DavidFreitag But not a sponge.

Rory Alsop

@user1794499 note how if you start typing Rory, mine is the only name that will autocomplete. Not t'other Rory ;-)

user1794499

@raz So SSL doesn't implement encryption over the data?

@RoryAlsop loool

raz

3:45 PM

@user1794499 It only protects it from Point A to Point B. When Point B has the data it is in whatever form it was originally sent. If that form is unencrypted, then that's what it will be.

user1794499

@raz okay....Got it now

@raz so the app. perhaps encrypt it first using whatever algorithm then send it in SSL,maybe

raz

@user1794499 Exactly, one would hope.

Otherwise, all your message belong to Line

user1794499

@raz thanks buddy

appreciate it

raz

@user1794499 No problem :)

Ohnana

@user1794499 good luck in class!

user1794499

3:49 PM

I was working on telegram but I only captured the ACK, and TCP reassembled PDU packets...But the msg packets are missing

@Ohnana oh thanks man ;)

@raz Coz telegram claims to use HTTP,TCP to send the encrypted msgs....But I see many SSL ones!!!

HTTP, post

Noordung

4:04 PM

@RoryAlsop @RоryMcCune and anyone else at high northern latitudes, it's auroras alert tonight on top of being the Ursids meteor shower peak and a New Moon, so if you'll have the weather for it it should be pretty much the best conditions you'll get

Simon

@Noordung You're the best.

Rory Alsop

@Noordung yep - hoping it clears a little. Folks up north had good aurora viewing last night

Rоry McCune

@Noordung nice! will keep my eyes open, though is pretty cloudy here now we may well get a break later....

@Simon is this a spirit of christmas niceness, you're in at the moment

Noordung

@Simon looks like you should have clear skies by night in Canada

now checking for Scotland

for some reason this one loads really slowly for me weather.gov/satellite

Simon

@RоryMcCune I don't know man, I really don't know.

Rоry McCune

4:07 PM

@Simon ah well nothing wrong with being nice :)

Simon

@RоryMcCune It doesn't feel right.

raz

@RоryMcCune Simon feels dirty being nice.

Noordung

@RоryMcCune I'm in the city and last night it was fantastic, all clear in the night till horizon and I could even make out the Milky Way ... in a city I don't think I ever did before. It also gets pretty cold in the night now so even if there are clouds they might settle by then

it's pretty windy up there

Rоry McCune

@Noordung yeah that'd be my main hope is that the wind blows the cloud away for a little bit :)

Simon

I think we all should take a moment to thank @ColinCassidy for always joining the chat and never saying a single word.

Thank you @ColinCassidy!

Rоry McCune

4:12 PM

although the wind is passing slightly to the south of us at the moment

@Simon just 'cause he's too classy to talk to the likes of you :op

Ohnana

@simon you sound like a deranged markov chain

5

Noordung

@Simon you're wrong :P chat.stackexchange.com/users/29310/colin-cassidy?tab=recent

Ohnana

wtf kind of star is that?

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana pinned star :)

Simon

@Noordung Oh.

He just really doesn't want to say a word when I'm here then.

Ohnana

4:14 PM

@RоryMcCune \o/

Simon

Maybe he should be my new dad.

Noordung

@Simon gee I wonder why that'd be :))

when I first came here all I had to be careful is that someone would want to stuff my bottom with a proverbial pineapple ... then the TWSS came ... and now the "you're the [whatever you said]"

Lighty

@Arperum nu.nl/buitenland/3959645/…

#België

Simon

@Noordung I take no responsibility for the latter.

So I'm dancing at work, again. I'm gonna get caught, again.

Noordung

I thought that dancing on Michael Jackson songs is a federal offense in Canada

Simon

4:19 PM

Hey there, it was a Wasted Penguinz song /cc: @DavidFreitag

David Freitag

@Simon Eh?

AJ Henderson

hey @RoryAlsop - you hear of Tidal HiFi yet?

Simon

@DavidFreitag Eh.

David Freitag

@Simon Eh, eh?

AJ Henderson

all I can say is "ABOUT FREAKING TIME!!!!"

Simon

4:19 PM

@DavidFreitag Hehehehehe

@AJHenderson Please stop yelling, there are people working here.

David Freitag

@Simon Seriously though, what are you talking about?

AJ Henderson

@Simon but lossless music is worth shouting about

Noordung

@AJHenderson hey they misspelled my other nickname! tidalhifi.com

Simon

@DavidFreitag I said that I was dancing to a Wasted Penguinz song.

Noordung

but they got the country right LOL

raz

4:21 PM

@AJHenderson That sounds awesome

David Freitag

@Simon Oh, I missed that part.

AJ Henderson

@raz very much yes

raz

@AJHenderson Let me sign up and see what it's all about

AJ Henderson

I'm someone who actually can accurately identify 320kbps vs 128kbps, and lossless is even easier to tell, so I'm pretty stoked right now

the library isn't as good as Google Play unfortunately, but I may just keep both services

David Freitag

Simon

4:23 PM

@DavidFreitag 'MERICA

David Freitag

@Simon Got photobombed by the mailman :[

AJ Henderson

I'm quickly discovering that it appears my wireless connection in my office may not be up to the task though. Damn thick walls

Simon

@DavidFreitag It looks pretty damn cool anyway.

David Freitag

@Simon Took that with my oneplus one.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Legit as hell.

Noordung

4:24 PM

in The Pod Bay, 25 mins ago, by Noordung

Slooh will host Ursids live starting in 9 hours http://live.slooh.com/stadium/live/watch-and-listen-to-the-2014-ursid-meteor-sho‌wer-live-on-slooh

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag that's a US postal truck in the background!

#MURICA

Noordung

as a backup ;)

they'd usually also have some interesting guests

David Freitag

@Simon It's a shame I was too lazy to get out of my car, the smudges from the snow on my windshield are really bothering me now :/

raz

@AJHenderson So it doesn't seem to keep your login session between webpages... that's frustrating.

AJ Henderson

@raz don't know, I have just been using the mobile app

Simon

4:25 PM

@DavidFreitag Yeah I noticed them after a little while too =\

raz

@AJHenderson I've had to "login" 3 times now.

AJ Henderson

ouch

@DavidFreitag I was going to say, I noticed that before the mail truck

but then again, I do pro photography, so that doesn't neccessarily mean most people will notice it right away

my eyes are just very rapidly drawn to any areas lacking in detail

David Freitag

AJ Henderson

@DavidFreitag ack, now I want to tilt my monitor

which part of the country is that?

David Freitag

@AJHenderson Connecticut

AJ Henderson

4:29 PM

ok, was going to say it looked kind of North Easty

David Freitag

Almost as north easty as one can get, on this continent anyway.

AJ Henderson

I'm in upstate NY

David Freitag

Slightly more north easty

Noordung

@DavidFreitag cool photo

Simon

@Noordung You're cool.

Noordung

4:31 PM

:)

Ohnana

19 mins ago, by Ohnana

@simon you sound like a deranged markov chain

Simon

@Ohnana You're a Simon.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH SICK BURN

Ohnana

okay that one was actually a little hurtfu

hurtful*

Rоry McCune

Simon

:D

Are you donuts on Holiday yet?

Ohnana

4:36 PM

nah I'm working up to the eve

Simon

dayum

I decided to do today and tomorrow then I'm out until the 4th.

Ohnana

my choice. I get a huge break so I'd like to collect one last paycheck (dat tuition payment)

Simon

I think my Christmas activity will be to learn the libGDX library but then when I look at all the god damn parties I have I know that I won't have time to learn a thing.

Ohnana

lol I have a ginat block of time to myself

I'm going to chew on the SANS holiday challenge

David Freitag

I work until tomorrow. Then On xmas eve i get the remaining parts for my new NAS

Simon

4:42 PM

@Ohnana As long as you don't feel lonely that's kewl.

@DavidFreitag Oh man, you'll be drowning in pink with that NAS now.

Rory Alsop

@AJHenderson As you say - about time. I haven't really bothered with things like Spotify as the sound quality annoys me so much so this may well work. Google Play doesn't work effectively for me either, so I don't have many options if I want music when mobile.

David Freitag

@Simon How did you know I ordered a pink case for it?

Rory Alsop

Obviously sat at home I just run from my empeg at FLAC or top quality MP3

Simon

@DavidFreitag o

Rory Alsop

@Simon Even Krispy Kreme spells it Doughnuts!

Simon

4:43 PM

I'm jelly though, I'd like to have to NAS at home.

@RoryAlsop Then they're just a bunch of donuts.

David Freitag

@Simon This is the case I got newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119299

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag looks like a guitar amp

David Freitag

6TB of storage with a 64GB SSD cache and a dual gigabit NIC for all of the bandwidths.

@Ohnana It's very small but still supports an ATX power supply.

Simon

@DavidFreitag How much did it cost total?

David Freitag

@Simon $400

But I bought 3X of these newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236343

Simon

4:49 PM

Not too bad.

David Freitag

With a few parts on my xmas list.

Simon

I'll probably buy a similar setup when I'll buy my house.

To setup backups.

David Freitag

I plan to use that and netflix instead of broadcast television when I get my apartment

plus a nice beastmode AC router I'm getting for christmas.

Simon

Projects seem to grow bigger as your living space gets bigger.

It gets expensive.

David Freitag

this is the mobo newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157574

8GB of ripjaws

Simon

4:53 PM

ô_ô

David Freitag

@Simon I originally intended on using my Raspberry Pi, but I decided it wasn't up to the task.

Simon

Pretty damn cheap.

I wanna buy a Pi now.

David Freitag

@Simon Well, it is a SoC board. I wouldn't expect much out of it.

It will work perfect with Freenas, which of course boots from USB.

AJ Henderson

@RoryAlsop the mobile client seems a bit glitchy (it's failing to advance tracks for me automatically) but still the quality is so much better I don't particularly care

either way, even if I didn't use it, I'm pretty sure I'd keep a sub up just to tell people "more like this PLEASE!!!"

even at twice the cost of most

Simon

@DavidFreitag It still looks like it would do the job for a simple setup.

I should buy an SSD for my Macbook.

David Freitag

4:56 PM

@Simon It's perfect for a media server. Anything more would just be overkill for ~3 simultaneous users

Simon

Yeah, my media server has an Intel dual-core and it does the job perfectly.

newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116406

This thing lulz

David Freitag

@AJHenderson Twice the cost? I pay $8 for All Access.

Simon

^ this

David Freitag

Plus the brutality towards my wireless data? No thank you.

AJ Henderson

@DavidFreitag hmm, it was $10 for me :(

and I still have my unlimited data, though it also supports downloading offline

so you can download on wifi and listen whenever without using data

the big thing is just that it is a lossless subscription, which hasn't previously existed

honestly, they could be charging $30 for lossless sub and I'd pay it if it had the full catalog that Play has

Tinned_Tuna

5:07 PM

/me -> home

Tomorrow, I'm literally drivin' home for xmas

AJ Henderson

@Tinned_Tuna that's nothing, Wed I'm buying a home for Christmas

Tinned_Tuna

so I'll allow the IQ level of the room to raise while I'm away :-p

Simon

@Tinned_Tuna As far as I know, I won't be away.

Rory Alsop

5:23 PM

@AJHenderson Ah - £20 a month - not a chance. I'd rather keep buying my music and storing it locally. More money for the artist, cheaper for me.

AJ Henderson

@RoryAlsop yeah, it's a bit expensive in Europe

it's only $20 here

I go through music too fast to have buying be practical

but I absolutely refuse to pirate

Rory Alsop

@AJHenderson same here

AJ Henderson

I just like actually being able to hear a little bit more of what my headphones are capable of

even if it still isn't as clean as a live sound on the headphones

it's a lot closer though

user1794499

5:43 PM

@raz [updates] I changed the wifi I'm using and now I captured the msgs packets for telegram msgs that's the [post,http] ones

David Freitag

@AJHenderson I'm grandfathered :]

Lucas Kauffman

@JimB risk management and risk calculation is based on impact and likelihood after analysis of the situation. While calculating likelihood may be subjective, it requires significant justification on why a certain likelihood is chosen. It is a different type of subjectiveness and opinion based assessment as it still requires a certain level of proof and description. This question does not allow for such an assessment. Anyway, if you disagree feel free to take it to meta.securitystackexchange.com :) — Lucas Kauffman 1 min ago

Inb4 he will start a discussion in the topic. The guy was notorious on serverfault.

Simon

@LucasKauffman He has 1k answers and his highest upvoted is 15.

Wow.

Lucas Kauffman

zep

yep

David Freitag

Yeah, but isn't SF notoriously low rep?

Simon

5:57 PM

@DavidFreitag Well, take my ex-ex-dad for example: serverfault.com/users/3356/scott-pack

His account is looking all good.

David Freitag

Speaking of, I haven't seen @ScottPack in forever. I wonder where he's been.

Lucas Kauffman

►

AJ Henderson

@DavidFreitag hmm, I wonder if I'm actually paying $10 now that I think about it. I should probably double check sometime. I was a very early adopter of Google Play

Lucas Kauffman

6:21 PM

►

raz

@user1794499 Find anything out?

Rory Alsop

@LucasKauffman lovely!

David Freitag

Oh man I love me some reflection magic.

Kisunminttu

@LucasKauffman Awesome!

user1794499

@raz Now I got what I wanted....I got the data packets...I know it's encrypted according to the telegram website explanation

I don't have to bother decrypting them

core.telegram.org/mtproto/description

David Freitag

6:32 PM

@user1794499 You can't believe everything you read on the internet. You should try running some analysis.

user1794499

@DavidFreitag Yess, to prove it, Telegram doesn't mention the usage of SSL, yet I found many SSL packets in the communication between the device and their server

David Freitag

@user1794499 The actual sending of the messages may not be the only traffic.

user1794499

I don't have time to do much work...too much pressure and too many works to do in short time

@DavidFreitag I didn't get it, sorry

David Freitag

@user1794499 What I mean is, they may not be using SSL to transmit the messages, perhaps they are doing other communications.

raz

@user1794499 Did you turn off wireless security completely?

Simon

6:37 PM

@user1794499 Did you turn it off and on again?