The DMZ

Green Fly

2:00 PM

@Adnan LE are sharing very little information

Adnan

@GreenFly LE?

Antony Vennard

@Adnan Law Enforcement I presume?

Green Fly

@AntonyVennard yes. I should have made it clear

Adnan

@AntonyVennard Ah okay, thanks.

Antony Vennard

Well, that was a good guess then :)

Green Fly

2:03 PM

I will not occupy your time any further, ladies. Have a fine day

is it possible to edit my message?

Gilles

@GreenFly you can edit chat messages within 2 minutes

Antony Vennard

@GreenFly Yep. Up arrow.

Adnan

@GreenFly Click the little arrow to the left of the message.

Green Fly

thank you all for the help.

Antony Vennard

@Adnan Oh I didn't know that! Thought I had to up arrow to get to them... oh dear!

Green Fly

2:05 PM

that made my exit much less dramatic.

HamZa

10ups already today, great :D

Adnan

2:23 PM

@HamZa You're doing much better than that one...

mmm.. what was his name?

Yeah, @Simon.

Simon

RUDE.

HamZa

@Adnan lolwut

Adnan

@HamZa Esh ye3ni lolwut?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Isn't everybody?

Simon

The SQL injection question he answered was definitely mine. Unfortunately, I was sleeping. Lesson learned, I no longer will sleep.

Adnan

2:25 PM

@TerryChia Hehehhehehe

HamZa

@Adnan lol + wut = lol + WAT

Terry Chia

@Simon Just sudo shutdown -h now. You aren't needed.

Simon

@TerryChia OH COME ON.

Adnan

@HamZa Thanks. The young people's language confuse me, a lot.

HamZa

Adnan

2:26 PM

@TerryChia Is he ever?

Simon

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

>shutdown -h now
Usage: shutdown [/i | /l | /s | /r | /g | /a | /p | /h | /e] [/f]
[/m \\computer][/t xxx][/d [p|u:]xx:yy [/c "comment"]]

Terry Chia

@Adnan Well yeah. If you ever need your car cleaned. ;)

HamZa

@Adnan young people ? I'm \x32\x30 years old :)

Adnan

@Simon shutdown /s /t 0

Simon

@Adnan My copy paste broke and there's no way I can type all this.

Terry Chia

2:28 PM

@Simon Ah so you are running on Windows? Explains a lot.

Simon

@TerryChia Hey, I'm at work. It's Linux all the way at home.

Lucas Kauffman

What a lovely day it is.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Damn! Was just about to tell you that!

Simon

@LucasKauffman Is this some conspiracy against me?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan (here you can tell me)

Adnan

2:29 PM

@Simon Don't worry, I haven't rep-capped yet

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon Dude you weren't supposed to know about that

the asssassin gave himself away didn't he ?

Terry Chia

@Simon It's only a conspiracy if we plan it out before hand. If we all simultaneously mock you, it's just you.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan I told you we should have taken the more expensive one, but noooooo you wanted the cheap one.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Well, we were low on whiskey that month. We had to get that one.

Holy moly! I'm more than halfway to the Epic Club.

Simon

Rub it in my face!

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Terry Chia

2:32 PM

@Simon Rub what?

Adnan

@Simon That's what she said.

and we never dated again.

Simon

That was too easy.

Terry Chia

@Simon So's your mom.

Simon

I'm done.

Terry Chia

@Simon :)

Adnan

2:33 PM

@Lucas How far are you?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan for beating bummerman?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman security.stackexchange.com/reputation

The second to last entry

Terry Chia

@Adnan 13 days only. :(

Lucas Kauffman

earned at least 200 reputation on 7 days

Adnan

Also, I think there's a caching issue with SE. My rep isn't updated on the site, but they're updated on that /reputation page.

> earned at least 200 reputation on 31 days

WoooohoooO!!!

IN YOUR FACES!

Lucas Kauffman

2:35 PM

you're lucky then

Simon

Wow I suck. I didn't even max once.

I gotta get my shit together.

Terry Chia

@Adnan @ThomasPornin is gonna come in and humble you soon.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan meh I've got more gold badges than you SE wide!

Adnan

@Simon There's an erectile dysfunction joke somewhere there.

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Yeah, I still beat him in gold badge count! :D

Lucas Kauffman

2:36 PM

@Adnan I even have a Steward and Marshall badge.

Simon

@Adnan My favorite jokes.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia Must I ? The humbling effect is mostly built-in.

Terry Chia

I think I have the 4th most gold badges here. After @ThomasPornin and his sockpuppet, @AviD and @Polynomial.

@ThomasPornin Right, your mere presence tends to have that effect.

Lucas Kauffman

and with 4.079 posts still the master of low quality post reviews on serverfault <o/

Simon

@ThomasPornin Can I hire you for rep-boosting service?

Adnan

2:37 PM

@LucasKauffman Here?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan serverfault mainly

Thomas Pornin

But if some definite action is needed: I have earned at least 200 reputation on 194 days. And an extra 53 for Bear #2.

Terry Chia

That jerkface @AviD only beat me because of mod badges. :(

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan I spent most my time over there last year

@ThomasPornin you know how to make people feel bad.

You're like those people who get their second masters degree at the time youself enroll in to college

Simon

@LucasKauffman I'm currently browsing the "List of Montreal Bridges" wiki page.

Adnan

2:39 PM

@Simon You're going fishing?

Terry Chia

20 upvotes what the flying fuck. stackoverflow.com/a/17785250/1170681

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan He's going to sleep with the fish.

Simon

@LucasKauffman But I cannot sleep!

Terry Chia

@Adnan I think he is the bait.

HamZa

@TerryChia That's the c(++) tag for you

Adnan

2:40 PM

I don't understand people with SE avatars showing them with a girl.

Simon

@Adnan "I have a life"

Terry Chia

So, why the fuck is this question off topic?

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Q: Is there a way to avoid configuring the same information multiple times?

My application utilizes many libraries that each require their own configurations. For example, both Hibernate and Apache Shiro requires me to specify database connection details in the configuration files of each library. Is there any method of centralizing these values into a single file, XML ...

java

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon nah people with a life don't feel like they have to post those types of avatars.

Adnan

@Simon But I can just walk to pretty much any girl in the city center and ask her to take a pic with me. Does it mean I have a life?

Simon

@LucasKauffman Exactly. They're trying to make us think they do have a life.

Lucas Kauffman

2:42 PM

@TerryChia OFF TOPIC!

Simon

@Adnan Refer to what I just replied to Lucas bananas.

Adnan

@TerryChia Want me to VTO it?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman They want me to produce valid code for the question. Am I supposed to copy and paste all my configuration files for them?

@Adnan Nah, I got the answer I needed. It just makes no sense.

Adnan

@TerryChia I threw it in the queue anyway

Whoooa! This keeps growing and growing

Terry Chia

@Adnan THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

Lucas Kauffman

2:46 PM

@Adnan It's okay, it's normal. We'll have a talk about why 'it' grows.

Adnan

But seriously! 62k!!

HamZa

@TerryChia VTO -ed it

Adnan

That's gigantic.

Terry Chia

This is pretty funny:

88

Q: Why is early return slower than else?

This is a follow-up question to an answer I gave a few days back. Edit: it seems that the OP of that question already used the code I posted to him to ask the same question, but I was unaware of it. Apologies. The answers provided are different though! Substantially I observed that: >>> def wit...

python optimization python-2.7

Lucas Kauffman

Have no fear for @RoryMcCune is here!

Rory McCune

2:50 PM

huhwhat huh?

Terry Chia

Well, time to sleep. Have a good day gents. @Simon.

Rory McCune

my mind has been dulled with having to deal with IPSEC

I hate IPSEC

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia Nighty night

@RoryMcCune too much security?

Simon

@TerryChia le fu-. Sweet dreams ANYWAY.

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman too many obscure pointless configuration settings, unhelpful error messages and overall crapness!

Lucas Kauffman

2:51 PM

@RoryMcCune one question tho, why do you need IPSEC?

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman configuring a firewall/VPN for someone, the SSL VPN implentation doesn't support windows 8, most of the client computers are windows 8....

Lucas Kauffman

also too many obscure pointless configuration settings, unhelpful error messages and overall crapness => sounds like Cisco :D

@RoryMcCune openvpn?

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman that's what I use at home, but they don't really have a suitable server to install it on....

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune for 25 pounds you can get a Rpi :P

but I wouldn't trust your production server with that xD

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman heh I did consider running openvpn on an rpi at home, but apparently the crypto performance isn't stellar so went with the option of a VM running OpenVPN access manager instead....

Lucas Kauffman

2:56 PM

@RoryMcCune yea and I can imagine throughput won't be stellar either

right time for me to pack my stuff

Adnan

@Raymond It feels so strange that you have that avatar.

HamZa

@Adnan you may want to help close questions: cv-pls.com/backlog

Gilles

@Raymond That avatar is actually against the rules, you aren't allowed to use an SE logo. You should change it, otherwise it will be changed by a mod/admin along with a nasty message.

Lucas Kauffman

@HamZa what's that site?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman To help organize the closure of SO questions

Lucas Kauffman

3:03 PM

@Gilles Nasty messages, I like that.

HamZa

@LucasKauffman github.com/cv-pls/site/blob/cv-pls.com/cv-pls_chat_docs.md

Gilles

@HamZa that site has become obsolete now that the close queue exists

go to stackoverflow.com/review/close and tuck in

Adnan

@Gilles But it's still fun to use :D

HamZa

@Gilles Nope, in fact you will have more chance to close a question there than in the queue cv-pls.com/backlog?chatroom

or this one

The closing room

Currently on: CLOSE ALL THE TYPO QUESTIONS

The only disadvantage: you won't make progress for a Badge

Does anyone know an anonymous way of paying online ?

(no bitcoins pls)

Gilles

3:26 PM

@HamZa find a leaked credit card details database

or did you want it to be legal and ethical?

HamZa

@Gilles lol, no I want to be legal :)

Gilles

who do you want to be anonymous from?

for example paypal lets you be anonymous from the vendor, but obviously you aren't anonymous from paypal

HamZa

@Gilles From the vendor ? I don't think so ...

@Gilles I wanted to hire a server/vps, but when paying with paypal my ID would be exposed ...

Gilles

@HamZa so? Create a paypal account just for this, of course

of course that's only if you don't mind that paypal has the information

lynks

3:42 PM

@HamZa prepaid cards

although it will require a little effort

Rory Alsop

4:00 PM

Yay for mod tools on SEx.SE :-)

@rorym ipsec is just annoying. It should just work, but doesn't.

AviD

> My kids have two volumes. Mute when they're asleep and Metallica when they're awake.

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Rory Alsop

Superb quote!

Xander

4:21 PM

@AviD @RoryAlsop And so utterly, unerringly true.

HamZa

@Gilles Sorry for the late reply. I've already got a paypal account

@lynks That's what I'm searching

lynks

@HamZa I am not aware of any way to do it legally, given that any payment card is attached to an identity.

But it is extremely common in blackhat circles to use cards of various kinds, and prepaid cards are often more readily available.

The point is to get a card number, dates and security code, that are not in use by the real owner.

Then typically, empty someones back account onto your card somehow, and launder it through poker sites.

For which you will need a few dozen other cards...

HamZa

I don't want to fraud or use illegal tricks.
I want to be anonymous because I do care about it. For example I don't disclose my lastname in the wild.

lynks

@HamZa then you cant use mainstream electronic payment methods I'm afraid.

HamZa

exactly my thoughts ...
The other day when I rented a server they asked me a scan of my ID. After arguing a lot I had to do it anyways
I suspect that every provider would ask for it

lynks

4:38 PM

@HamZa It is possible to give false information of course, but again you will hit the hurdle of paying for services.

HamZa

@lynks I see ...

Lucas Kauffman

holy frigging fuck

lynks

@HamZa anyone who offers 'anonymous money' will find themselves swamped by criminals. In general, the legitimate institutions try very hard to keep track of who is spending money.

HamZa

@LucasKauffman 'sup ?

Lucas Kauffman

I went to a shop 8 km from here and it took me 1.5 hours to go there and back

HamZa

4:42 PM

@lynks yeah :(

lynks

@LucasKauffman traffic?

@LucasKauffman weight problems?

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop I thought sex.se didn't manage to get out of beta?

@lynks traffic

lynks

(weight problems)

Rory Alsop

This is SEx - short for space exploration :-)

As opposed to Sec, short for Security

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop no before there was a real sex.se which talked about sex

@RoryAlsop sex as in coitus

Scott Pack

4:54 PM

snicker You said coitus.

lynks

looks like the bear has gone on a re-tagging spree in preparation for the royal baby.

Thomas Pornin

@lynks Yeah, of course, because the new brat will require a birth certificate

lynks

@ThomasPornin ahh, is that what you've been up to? I noticed you retagged a couple of mine.

Thomas Pornin

(Actually my present target is "certificates", with the final "s")

I went through all my "public-key-infrastructure" answers to see if some questions deserved to be tagged "certificates" as well.

lynks

do any of you submit your pgp keys to a central database? an academic institution or some such?

Gilles

5:08 PM

@lynks bear wants a ~~cracker~~ badge

@ThomasPornin Do you have all the existing tag badges?

Thomas Pornin

@Gilles No. I lack a dozen bronze tag badges, and also two silver tag badges (appsec and web-application). I have all five gold tag badges which have been awarded so far.

Gilles

@ThomasPornin slacker

Jeff Ferland

5:25 PM

Missing bronze badges? What are you doing with your life, @Thomas??!!?!?!?

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland Living it, mostly.

Turns out that having a life is rather neat.

Jeff Ferland

Yeah, I can see that :P

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland Well, I have a life but I also have slow workdays.

It is a terrible thing when each test involves an iisreset and then two minutes wait time until the darn thing loads again.

Jeff Ferland

@ThomasPornin Ick. Ick ick ick.

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland And there's worse: I have to write code in VB.NET.

Jeff Ferland

5:35 PM

@ThomasPornin It's clearly beer-o-clock where you are.

Adnan

6:03 PM

When I Google-Image "Thomas Pornin", the first the result is someone playing with snow balls, the second one is an artsy black&white picture of the same person, and the third result is a picture of five ladies playing with each other's breasts.

The results after that are a mixture of @RoryA, mushroom, Osama sex video, and dolls screwing each others on pumpkins.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan As my brother (first name: Maxime) told me: "I tried to register a domain named after me: maxporn.com; but it was already taken".

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Lucas Kauffman

haha

Adnan

@ThomasPornin My second beer spill because of the DMZ.

The first time was after reading something @Lucas said

Lucas Kauffman

what did I say?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman I don't remember. It was several months ago

Gilles

6:08 PM

sometimes when I google stuff about crypto I find sci.crypt archives where an important post is missing from the thread. That tells me who wrote it

Thomas Pornin

The snowball juggler is me; the photo was taken on top of a mountain near Innsbrück, Austria, where Eurocrypt 2001 took place (12 years ago). I am at that time demonstrating my resilience to coldness, and my ability to juggle four balls.

Adnan

@Thomas Although I must say, there are many aesthetic photos in that album (the ladies playing with each other's breasts).

I wonder how you ended up there, though.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan link?

h google

nvm

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Just Google image The Bear's full name

Ah okay

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan I could say that "the Ways of the Google are Impenetrable", but I am sure you pervs would find some innuendo in that sentence.

Lucas Kauffman

6:11 PM

why is there a picture of @RoryAlsop when I google thomas pornin xD?

Adnan

@Thomas Okay, I think now I know why the ladys' picture appear there.

@ThomasPornin Somewhere in the page it says "Porn in the USA". In another place in the page there's a guy called "Van Houtryve, Thomas"

Google algorithm seems like a 3 year old boy.

Gilles

@Adnan use quotes

google is like shell programming: put double quotes everywhere

Adnan

@Gilles I shouldn't have.

I can explain the naked ladies to my coworkers. But I can't explain that

This is one of the results

Gilles

@Adnan 404 - File or directory not found.

Adnan

Thank god for Google's content removal tool

I found a photo of me that needs to be taken down

Gilles

6:22 PM

mind you, if you search with quotes, you also get bear porn. Like... oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a248_bear.jpg Oh, that's what you posted earlier

Adnan

I find French girls very appealing.

Especially the southerners.

Or maybe those are just the ones go abroad for exchange.

Simon

What about their accent?

Adnan

@Simon I find it quite funny.

PeeHaa

7:26 PM

Evening people

Adnan

7:37 PM

@PeeHaa Evening, person.

PeeHaa

7:55 PM

Is it always this quiet in here?

TildalWave

Hello, world!

Adnan

@PeeHaa It depends. Now I'm here, so there's not much activity.

Thomas Pornin

@PeeHaa Many usual participants are based in Europe. Right now, they sleep (except @Adnan, who just likes to be annoying).

PeeHaa

@ThomasPornin It's only 22h in the best part of europe

Adnan

@ThomasPornin I don't like to. It's just a talent.

PeeHaa

7:59 PM

@ton.yeung Your question is lacking a question

@ton.yeung Honest question? Why would you use ubuntu instead of debian?

Ah your boss likes to throw money at his screen ;-)

Thomas Pornin

@PeeHaa Personally, I use Ubuntu because I like the release schedule. Debian stable's packages are almost always too old and obsolete, while testing's packages are too new. The 6-months schedule of Ubuntu strikes a middle-ground which befits my taste.

Iszi

8:17 PM

When lightning is strong enough to make the PA speaker over your head crackle, that's a bad sign... right?

Thomas Pornin

8:31 PM

@Iszi If it made the speaker cackle, it would be a worse sign.

“If complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards!”

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Iszi

@ton.yeung Umm... Defcon is always in Las Vegas

@ton.yeung Oh, see. Proper spelling helps.

Scott Pack

"I once helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse." Grammar is powerful.

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Iszi

"A bear eats shoots and leaves."

HamZa

8:48 PM

@PeeHaa What are you doing here :O

Gilles

@ThomasPornin who, him?

couldn't find a sec.se account

TildalWave

9:34 PM

@ThomasPornin Just @Adnan? I'm here too :P

Lucas Kauffman

hello

Adnan

While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. — TildalWave 7 mins ago

@TildalWave Duuude!

@LucasKauffman Nobody's here

TildalWave

@Adnan What? That's auto-text

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan what's wrong with his answer?

It's valid D:

Adnan

@LucasKauffman 100% agree.

@TildalWave Look at the answer in its context.

It's a CW pretty much asking for that kind of answers

Gilles

9:49 PM

@Adnan yeah, the proper thing to do is close the question

Adnan

@Gilles Have I told you that I like you before?

Gilles

@LucasKauffman the answer is inappropriate. But the question calls for this kind of answers. The question itself is inappropriate

@Adnan that would be a first

Lucas Kauffman

I VTCed

Gilles

like me all you like

Adnan

@Gilles I don't usually like to like people I like so much

TildalWave

9:51 PM

@Adnan Yes, OK... but it's still a link only answer, and the author could include why he thinks it's great,... I mean, I could go on about what's great and how everyone should trust me in my answers, but I'd only come out as some Nigerian con scheme, wouldn't I?

Adnan

Damn it! I'm not able to formulate a sentence.

@TildalWave Oh please. Look at most of the other answers.

TildalWave

@Adnan Somebody flagged it, I agreed with it

and yes most of the answers there should be converted into comments anyway

Adnan

@TildalWave Not a solution. The question itself is soliciting that kind of answers. Like @Gilles said, it should be closed and kept for its historical value.

@Tildal Also, since you feel that way about the answers. Downvote them and flag them for mod attention.

TildalWave

and the question is probably off-topic too... it would be before, when we had "too localized" VTC and since many of the links don't really lead to where they were meant to when posted, that kinda proves my point... Personally, I'd be fine with it if all the answers were converted into a single community wiki that's actually maintained

Lucas Kauffman

the internet here is too damn slow

TildalWave

9:57 PM

or even a blog post

Gilles

@Adnan @TildalWave No, if you find yourself flagging many answers to a question like this, VtC the question instead, and don't bother with the answers

Adnan

@LucasKauffman What's your ping time to Google.

@Gilles I'm 100% with that. But I'm against wanting one answer removed rather than the others.

TildalWave

@Adnan don't have that much time to review stuff today... I actually read stuff I vote on ;)

@Adnan that one was in the review queue, somebody flagged it, please understand that

Adnan

That answer is of the same format as the others. If one is serious about his feelings towards a certain answer, one should be consistent.

@TildalWave I do understand that, I just don't agree with it.

In the end, as a reviewer, you may do whatever you feel right.

TildalWave

@Adnan then tell that to whoever flagged that answer only... flag the question, I honestly don't have the time to form a coherent opinion of it at the time

Anyway, I think it should be a blog post and updated to be current, add our CTF efforts into it, e.t.c...

Lucas Kauffman

10:08 PM

@Adnan 323 ms

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Don't feel so bad. Mine isn't that different

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan I'm used to 18 ms :p

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Oh come ON! I was just trying to make you feel better