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Q: Source for tri- or quadri-litteral roots of Hebrew words?

fi11222I am looking for a source (dictionary, website, software, ...) which would systematically give the basic trilitteral or quadrilitteral root for each word of the Hebrew Bible. Currently, I use Logos 6 with the Lexham Interlinear Bible and it only indicates roots for which there is at least one oth...

The Blue Letter Bible does this (tacks vowels onto the root, but whatever), but I almost hate to suggest it because it seems like not a good idea without a larger perspective on the language(s) .... is this on topic, by the way?
 
7:55 PM
@Susan In my answer to "What did John the Baptist eat?" I wrote ἀκρίδας and said this means grasshopper. You edited this to ἀκρίς for which I am grateful. I thought I had correctly copied the interlinear, but could easily have been mistaken.
However, when I followed the link for ἀκρίς this gave the meaning 'hil top' or 'mountain peak'. Can this be right?
PS @Susan: ἀκρίς does translate as 'locust' (as opposed to 'grasshopper') so maybe the problem is in the link rather than the word.
 
@Susan It seems like a tools question to me, which we sort of decided are on-topic.
@DickHarfield It's the same word. ἀκρίς is the base form and ἀκρίδας is accusative plural declension.
 
8:16 PM
Thanks @ThaddeusB for your answer. I'm fine with this now.
I answered this question because it was such a simple question on language usage, and (as I previously discussed with Susan) I thought I'd like to become familiar with at least the basics of Greek so as to help me with my answers.
Answering simple questions seems like a useful way of becoming a little bit familiar with Greek, as long as I stay within my limitations. I was amazed to get so many upvotes, as I did not think of my answer as justifying upvotes at all - but there you are.
 
@DickHarfield A simple question deserves a simple answer. :)
 
 
1 hour later…
9:35 PM
@DickHarfield Right, what @ThaddeusB said. The longer story <begin useless blabber> is that dentals (δ, τ, θ) drop out when immediately followed by sigmas in Greek, so although the root is actually *ἀκρίδ, in the nominative singular (the dictionary form - also the dative plural), the sigma of the ending causes the delta to fall out, hence ἀκρίς </end useless blabber>.
If you’re learning a little Greek and might be interested.... the most common word that inflects like this that you may know is ἐλπίς = hope. In most lexicons, including LSJ linked, the entry goes like ἐλπίς, ίδος, ἡ (or ἀκρίς, ίδος, ἡ). That’s the lexical form, then the genitive singular ending (which ?always shows the root), then the article to tell you the gender.
On insects: locusts are the swarming phase of a species of grasshopper. The plague in Exodus 10 involved ἀκρίδα.
On the mountain peak: that’s ἄκρις with the accent on the first syllable, from root *ακρι = top, like acropolis....or the acromion process...or ἀκροβυστία...
Not sure why the LSJ link had that one at the top, but I couldn’t seem to make it do otherwise.
 
9:59 PM
Meanwhile, the OpenScriptures project's HebrewLexicon XML "union" file gives all the lexemes in BDB+. The roots to which lexemes are related are given as <etym root="אבג" type="main"> entries for all roots. I grepped them, pulled the results into a spreadsheet, and removed duplicates. You can get the file with two "worksheets" (no dup's; raw) in either ODS (original) or XLS format if you wish. Go wild. — Davïd 1 hour ago
@Davïd Why oh why? .... but if you’re going to go to the trouble, answer?
I’d even upvote rather than complain about the comment.
 
@Davïd Yes, what Susan said - make it a full answer so we can upvote. :)
 
The raw text, to facilitate anticipated answer (it’s really already done): ...*[Akkadian Lexicon Companion for Biblical Hebrew](http://goo.gl/QVoHuH)* (KTAV, 2009; + [author site](http://hayimtawil.com/lexical.html) + [review](http://goo.gl/zpAJSv)). See also the *[Chicago Assyrian Dictionary](http://goo.gl/YPUYko)* ... and much else.
Meanwhile, the [OpenScriptures project's HebrewLexicon XML "union" file](https://goo.gl/uS3eDz) gives all the lexemes in BDB+. The roots to which lexemes are related are given as
<etym root="אבג" type="main"> entries for all roots. I [grepped](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep) them, pulled the results into a spreadsheet, and removed duplicates. You can get the file with two "worksheets" (no dup's; raw) in either [ODS](https://goo.gl/L0dGly) (original) or [XLS](https://goo.gl/Wq5YIT)
 
10:23 PM
Alright, ’tis done -- tools tag we have. (Should have been for rather than of, but alas, a 25 character limit, and retaining the full “biblical studies” seemed more important.)
 
10:59 PM
@Susan It took me a full fie minutes to understand your "useless blabber", but I got there. Thank you. I'll store thataway in memory until it becomes useful and see if this old man can retrieve it intact.
 
@curiousdannii
I don't see any attempt in your question to make it obvious that poor lambs like curiousdanni, shouldn't bother attempting an answer. I believe there is a strong reason for you to self-answer the question to model for everyone the sort of answer you are expecting. — enegue 12 mins ago
Because I know you had never been tainted by hearing about these heretical ideas before. ;-) The assumption that actually is there is that the reader has a certain very basic level of knowledge of Isaiah scholarship. That's not really an ideological assumption though. I also assume people know how to read. Etc.
@DickHarfield Glad it was helpful. Lots of places where that same pattern holds, actually.
 
11:28 PM
I'm glad that has a tag now. Then when someone votes to close because it has no source, I can be like - we have a tag for it!
 

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