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12:14 AM
ok, this was a hard one to figure out
Libraries in win7/win2008 doesn't work if the user doesnt have traverse rights on the redirected locations
which the everyone group does not use
 
12:36 AM
@sysadmin1138 Aussies are quite difficult to offend, and as a result, almost every 'offensive' flag I see, I think "What a pussy"
5
 
@MarkHenderson I think that as an American
 
@Holocryptic Well you would cos you're all fat racsists who love cheese
That about sums it up, yes?
 
@MarkHenderson Pretty much. I don't know about the cheese part, but I've been accused of being less than culturally sensitive
Though I've been told by my doctor that I'm not a fat ass, so....
 
Thats ok, apparently Australis is even fatter (per capita), more racist (in general, although we don't have a KKK or Vanguard News Network), but I'm not sure baout the cheese
 
I could stand to lose a few pounds I think though
@MarkHenderson You know what I like about Australia? Nicky Whelan.
 
12:46 AM
@Holocryptic So, I had to google her. But I can see why you'd like that.
 
@MarkHenderson I just saw her in Hall Pass. Very nice.
 
@Holocryptic Apparently she gets her tits out in that one? Or something? I havent seen it, but I heard
I remember her from Scrubs
 
@MarkHenderson Yes. They're quite nice as well. Though some of her photo shoots are pretty "racy" already
She's one of those "I'm hot and I know it"
 
@Holocryptic Yeah I'm at work, so I might save the search-safe off googling for later :p
 
haha
I really dig good looking Australian women. I find their accents attractive as well
Though I could say that for any woman I find attractive from another country
 
12:50 AM
@Holocryptic I thnik we all dig good looking women nomatter where they're from?
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, pretty much. But an accent adds a bit of something, I think
 
Unless you're gay in which case replace women with men
 
True. To each their own.
 
@Holocryptic If only I were a hot female supermodel. Sigh.
 
@MarkHenderson I know, right?
 
12:53 AM
@Holocryptic Then I could just skate by on my good looks, get paid for being hot and if I run out of money and I'm under 30, do a movie deal to get my boobs out
 
hahaha
 
Emily Browning is anohter Australian actor who got her tits out recently, but I remember he from kids TV shows, and I just feel dirty even writing this sentence
Cos I keep imagning her as 12 years old
 
I thought I recognized the name. I loved Sucker Punch.
 
@Holocryptic I hated it. My wife and I watched it on DVD, ended up fast forwarding all the fight scenes. Thet went on for too long. I eventually went to bed. Wife caught me up the next day, told me she let the other girls go or something
I loved Lemony Snickets though :p
 
@MarkHenderson heh, not quite
@MarkHenderson haven't seen that
 
12:57 AM
@Holocryptic Its a kids movie, but it was pretty good
 
She's close to our age though. 23ish. I'm only 28.
 
yeah she's definately legal
But she still looks like a kid
 
I... guess...
 
 
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4:19 AM
Guess what - 15 year old B-trieve databases don't have automatic index selection. And if you don't specify an index, it does a serial search through un-ordered data. bangs head against desk
I guess in 1998 the whole "SQL" thing was new or something
 
 
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7:11 AM
@Holocryptic Nice!
 
7:38 AM
Morning all
 
8:07 AM
Morning
 
G'day
 
8:28 AM
morning gents
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Q: Blade servers in small office server room (90db)?

TomekWe have small server room with 15 rack servers ATM, and we are planning to add 7U 10 blade enclosure. One can hear the servers from the outside now (the doors are not too thick) but it is not bad, actually it is OK. But I have read that noise levels from blade are up to 90db and this is - I gues...

how can u afford blade servers but not be able to move them into a DC
 
8:43 AM
@LucasKauffman: or spending a little effort on noise proofing.
 
Dan
9:14 AM
Morning
 
Morning all
 
Dan
@MarkHenderson Having never heard of her before - after a cursory Google I have to conclude she's gorgeous and I'll be seeking said tits out scene at some point!
 
Morning @Dan @SmallClanger
 
@LucasKauffman don't forget that blades are, at a certain volume, CHEAPER for the manufacturers to make, ship etc. Certainly we get our blades far cheaper than the comparable pizza-box model
 
Dan
9:35 AM
@pauska They break if you set the .library-ms file to read-only, too :D
 
10:21 AM
Moring
 
hiya, headache :(
 
10:42 AM
Booo, add moar bacon and coffee
 
11:03 AM
Ah, good old sprin clean.. Cleaning out the WSUS cobwebs.
 
Dan
11:39 AM
Just depressed myself by looking at mortgages for first time buyers
 
@Dan not good. Im looking also. it is depressing.
 
presumably the problem is the deposit ?
 
Dan
Yup
 
yep.
 
Dan
Some lenders are down to 10%-ish, now, but the deals aren't exactly good on them. 25% is considred 'right' at the minute
 
11:42 AM
what are they 10% 25% ?
25% is a hefty amount :(
 
Dan
And house prices dont' seem to be as low as people think, not where I need to live anyway
 
what's typical ?
 
Dan
I'd be looking at the 120k mark for a 3 bed semi in an okay-ish area
100k gets you somethign rundown, in a dodgy area
 
120K for a 3-bed.. Im moveing by you!
180K easy for a rubbish area 3-bed here.
 
Dan
Youch, that's brutal
 
11:45 AM
@t1nt1n cheltnam ?
 
@Iain Chelt and Malvern. How did you guess?
 
Dan
I mean, a 120k house is something that was 150k a few years ago, but that was in the days of 100%+ mortgages and easy cash!
 
@t1nt1n you know my niece - remember
 
Dan
My other problem is that I really could do with getting on the property ladder, but I love that we have the freedom to move while renting
 
@t1nt1n Try Dorset, they're silly money down here
 
Dan
11:47 AM
@Chopper3 Yeah, but you're rich as!
 
there is that
 
@Iain forgot we had that converstation :P. @Chopper3 I wish. the commuite might be a bit of a bitch anyway
 
Dan
Though I'm apparently not doing badly as apparently we don't qualify for the government first buy help scheme thingy.
 
to be fair we did well living in London for ~10 years - got a very big mortgage at the time but that paid off when we moved out of town
 
Dan
One of my friends, an ex-para now plumber managed the "right place at the right time" and he'll have his mortgage paid off in 4 years on a ~150k+ house. He's only 28 now
 
11:49 AM
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Q: Add the ability to reply to a chat message directly from the transcript

Anna LearNotifications of new messages in chat land in the global inbox and the links take you to the chat transcript. This is fine, but a lot of my chat communication involves asking other moderators questions, so I often get replies long after I'm gone from chat. I usually want to respond to what they...

implemented
 
Dan
Good stuff
We could probably sell our cars, but then I'd be saving up with no money and no hobbies
 
Round here you can get nicely done up 3 bed victorian terrace for ~80k a modern terrace for ~100k, semi's similar and up depending on area
 
@Iain thats stupid. Where are you?
 
Wirral
 
I think I might up sticks.
 
Dan
11:53 AM
@Iain Man, I could commute to work from there, too
Although I need drive space and could do with a garage
 
Dan
12:09 PM
http://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/news/getting-a-mortgage-with-a-small-deposit/0010826/

Fun reading
 
intresting
Time for some top gear I think
 
it was shit this week
 
@Chopper3 How many episodes are they into this season?
 
Dan
Welll that reduces by bother to watch it tonigt
 
I've only seen the first.
 
Dan
12:23 PM
I think yesterday was the 3rd
 
thanks
 
talking of top gear, one out on-site HP sales guys has a stupidly over-upgraded Nissan GTR - something like 815bhp, you know the kind of thing right - well he's mates with a couple of other souped-up GTR owners and he wrote an email into TG asking for tickets and did they want to have a look at their cars - he got an email back about 3 minutes later offering them immediate tickets and asking to play with their cars - so sod the ticket queue eh!
@BartDeVos think it's the usual 5+bestof
 
@Chopper3 I think I missed a few of the privies season also.
Never saw the himalaya thing they reffered to in the first ep.
 
Dan
Someone just called Adele strangely attractive. I've tried, but I really can't see it
 
she is in her own kind of way
 
12:35 PM
@Dan My girlfriend thinks the same. Don't see it either
 
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Q: Dell R510 backplane/LSI RAID card

Stephen KennedyI've been tasked to price up and order a new server. My plans are for a Dell Poweredge R510 with the 8 HDD option, an LSI 9265-8i RAID card, two Dell 600GB 15k 3.5" SAS drives in RAID 1, and six Intel 520 120GB 2.5" SSDs in three RAID 1 volumes. I've searched and searched and can't find any usef...

 
@Dan she's pretty, and the weight doesn't bother me, the laugh however makes her a very big no
 
Dan
@Chopper3 shrug I've found some very odd people attractive, but I just can't find it there. But yes, the laugh doesn't help
@BartDeVos I'd probably run with it if it was a threesome
 
@Dan Sure :)
I had gotten us city trip to london and the show of Adele last year
but then she decided she wanted to get her tonsils (?) operated. Not the best of days when I found out and had to tell my girlfriend :D
 
Dan
Ah yes, remember that
(The tonsil thing, not your trip to London!)
 
12:41 PM
@Dan It was canceled, not a lot to remember :D
 
Dan
:D
Struggling to move into that, y'know, do some actual work mode
 
I've been slacking all day
ever heard of a program called 'Ecora'?
words can not express the hate...
 
Dan
I haven't
 
Some crazy auditing tool
Goes into a server, harvests data, puts them in SQL
 
Dan
"Ecora is the leader in Configuration Auditing and Analytics solutions that provide clients with proactive view of the IT infrastructure "

Well, it doesn't sound fun, that's for sure!
 
12:44 PM
It isn't
 
Dan
Is it broke, or just dull?
 
jobs failing, reports missing
broken
Every other week it just burkes because it want's a different license. It's crazy
I'm replacing it with powershell scripts, but they need the reports from last year.
 
Dan
@BartDeVos That's really not a good endorsement for a product!
 
Couldn't care less :)
 
Dan
I just mean it's really bad when a product gets replaced with scripts!
 
12:48 PM
Yeah, but I like to think my scripts are more reliable/easy to customize
And when they fail, I know, because they will mail me to tell me.
Now, we just found out
a certain report has been failing for over a year
creating empty reports every day
 
Dan
Let me guess -it's the one they want? :D
 
try to fix that now...
@Dan Yep, of course...
TS Admins Per Day - Logons
 
Dan
I'm going to reserve my right to giggle at other peoples IT woes, as I stand in my glass greenhouse
 
Dan
1:00 PM
And this here is why I hold journalists in disregard
The picture is of a beta board which is different to the manufactured version, the case doesn't exist and won't be shipped (It's a photoshop / mockup) and they asked Raspberry Pi for a Bill Of Materials, they were told no, so went ahead and made up their own (Completely wrong by all accounts) figures
 
First time I've seen that picture. The case looks great.
Someone with a 3D printer should make cases and sell them on ebay/etsy/...
 
Dan
They probably will - the case was ripped off the forums I think, but it's completely unofficial and only a mockup etc
I think the educational pack is due to come with a proper case
 
@KennyRasschaert SO tempted to pull a few strings and get one of those HP 3D printers - they're just aces
 
Dan
I love anything CAD-CAM/CNC. Some incredible tech out there
And a lot of it is fairly easy to use for 'basic' stuff, too
 
yeah - I only watch American Chopper for the waterjet stuff and the paint-jobs - everything else is a bodge
 
1:16 PM
Wow I missed Monday's Starpocalypse.
 
Dan
Oh christ, I watched half an episode of Chop Shop the other day
WTF is that all about? Pimp My Ride had some pretty dire work in it, and this is like a pikey version
 
'afternoon guys
 
hey
 
@Holocryptic Emily Browning is 23ish? I'm 22 - score?
Saying that my female friends that saw SuckerPunch didn't think much of it and I don't think they would think much of her either :P
 
Hi @Chopper - what do you need the 3D printers for? They are rumored to see a lot of use in ATM skimming schemes :)
 
1:26 PM
just for fun
if they were free you'd have one right
 
they're not in the "just for fun" price range yet, unfortunately
 
no
 
@Dan Me too :)
 
Our School's DT deparment has a 3D-printer, although it builds up layers of plastic that cools and sticks together, not a powder one. Because that would be awesome.
 
@Chopper3 - seen This?
 
1:27 PM
If you do ATM skimming, they have a rather rapid return of investment
so basically free :)
 
@syneticondj Your freedom won't be free :)
 
that's right @jscott :)
 
how do you mean atm skimming?
 
@Chopper3 3D printers used to produce the casings for ATM skimmers.
 
@Chopper3 Placing a small device over the slot of a ATM's card reader which can copy the details of the card, and using a pinhole camera to record the PIN being entered by the victim. Match the PINS to the card data, ???, profit (literally)
 
basically overlays for card insertion slots where you can hide a tap device reading the card
 
OIC
 
If I had one, I would be creating custom LEGO parts all day
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells the iModela stuff is a miniature CNC milling machine, is it?
 
1:33 PM
@syneticondj Yes.
It's really cheap, about 1000 USD.
 
715 euro
600 gbp
 
@KennyRasschaert yes, and selling them on eBay - you would get "stinkin' rich" in 2 weeks
 
@Chopper3 is a pom, isn't he?
 
@KennyRasschaert think that's what they do with BrickArms.
 
@syneticondj And get a nice C&D letter I bet :P
 
1:34 PM
I'd be building a giant modular custom transformer, normally it looks like a truck but it transforms into a giant modular dick
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yes, British yes, some polish jew roots but yes
 
lol
what is a modular dick supposed to do?
 
make kids cry?
 
and would it be battery-powered?
kids?!
 
transformers aren't battery powered
 
@KennyRasschaert As many times as I've heard that track, I've still not seen the movie in full. A few friends of mine seem to enjoy playing that track via jukebox in the bar during Super Bowls, World Series, etc. Then they don't understand why I don't care of sports.
 
1:35 PM
yeah, put it in fake packaging, sell it to some kid, freak them out
 
I could make transformers with LEGO nubs on them.
 
Ah... I rather thought the target audience would be women
 
Ponies with LEGO nubs, JUST THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!
 
Yes, a modular battery-powered transformers dick with LEGO nubs. That's what the market is waiting for.
Men, let's get that printer
 
brb ordering 3d printer
hell I would chip in to time-share a 3d printer
 
Dan
1:38 PM
Dear Lawyers,

I just wanted to confirm that this man:
<--- Dan
Had nothing to do with any of this.

K, Thx
Dan
XX
 
yoooooooooo
 
@MDMarra yo mofo
 
@MDMarra Get the job, or a call back?
 
1:48 PM
@jscott They asked me to come in for an in-person interview
I ended up declining, though
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells how do you feed it with data?
 
Oh? Decided against NYC?
 
After talking to the fiancee, we decided that NYC wasn't a good move for us right now if it came down to it
 
@syneticondj wow
 
The funny thing is that Mark H is interviewing for the same job
 
1:49 PM
@MDMarra she decided I bet ;)
 
Isn't he an Aussie?
 
Yep
@Chopper3 Actually, she was more leaning toward yes
 
Helluva commute then.
 
:)
 
@syneticondj I think they supply a CAD/CAM application with it. From the blurb it will import some standard data files as well.
 
1:49 PM
haha
 
@jscott 2 long haul fights
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells ever seen it in action? does it take any regular kind of mills or do they have to be paid by their weight in gold?
 
I guess there are others that got invites we don't know about as they don't chat
 
I think I'm giving up on Google+, I'm closing that tab and doubt I'll go back
 
I look at it every once in a while and even post occasionally but it really is a wasteland with tumbleweed blowing through it
 
1:53 PM
@syneticondj No. I just shared @Chopper3's thought processes when I saw it.
 
I gave up on G+ weeks back
Yet some how Chrome has it back in my tabs list
 
Hmm
I like G+ because of the 'corporate shakers'
lots of big names in computer industry there posting relevant stuff.
Robert Love, people from Google's engineering, people from the Scala language community.
OHAI people how are you.
Anyway guys, can you take a look on 2 shameless auto promotion links: 99designs.com/t-shirt-design/vote-9ccym7 and coredump.io/blog/2012/02/10/announcing-hoardd
 
Dan
http://damnyouautocorrect.com/16490/the-15-funniest-autocorrects-from-january-2012/

Dunno how many of these are true, but they get a laugh from me
 
I love DYAC, but the "Parent texts" are hilarious. I see myself sending some of those texts for my kid.
@surfasb in your profile you should use this link for Alizee youtube.com/watch?v=VfSYeXPQaQI
 
2:09 PM
Grrr, new gfx card draws too much power. Need a new PSU
 
I think most of the damnyouautocorrect submissions are either complete fakes or at least heavily edited afterwards. I never had any device correct anything I type to "vagina"
 
@Dan Too many of those feel fake... I'm pretty sure most of them on that site are. =/
@syneticondj You've probably never typed it, so it's not in autocorrect's dictionary of "used" words.
 
sigh can someone else weigh in on this?
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Q: How do I disable Startup Repair in Windows 7 Professional?

RichieACCWe have a number of machines scattered around at our clients. The staff habitually unplug the machines causing them to enter Startup Repair mode. When this happens, we need to go on site to cancel the wizard and reboot the machines. Is there a way to permanently disable Startup Repair and all...

 
I've had some weird autocorrects
Including telling my CTO to fill it with a carrot
 
Used iPhones also carry the dictionary, right?
 
2:16 PM
@BartSilverstrim WTF is wrong with his "staff"? Get the clue-bat and tell them to stop unplugging shat.
 
The 'charge them for time spent' is actually a good idea.
 
I was more irritated with is "this isn't useful" reply. Um...you're doing it wrong, and because your staff is stupid, you're taking an even more stupid risk.
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If someone knows of a way to permanently munge the registry to give him what he wants, fine. But I for one don't want to do that.
Too akin to telling someone precisely how much of what drug to take to kill themselves.
 
@BartSilverstrim F 'em. Let him figure out how to disable it... Then, after a couple of power-cord-pulls, he'll be on site, reinstalling Windows because it won't boot at all -- repair mode or not.
 
@mdmarra: you turned down the offer of interview at Fog Creek?
@jscott: that was half my feeling. I suppose the other half was my ego seeking validation that this was the right answer...cluebat, not enabling.
 
@BartSilverstrim there must be something broken. I've seen several machines with W7 losing power - they started up quite fine without any need for repair
 
Dan
2:25 PM
People who insist on finding technical solutions to non-technical problems do get on my goat
 
@BartSilverstrim Ain't that the irony of life... You have to get your life & career "in shape" before headhunters from other cities will find you, and by that time you've probably set roots where you are...
 
@Dan Indeed...
 
@ITHedgeHog did you get a budget for carrots for the next year then?
 
@syneticondj Losing power should never fubar the file system in Win7.
 
@ChrisS Well, I was willing to give up a good part of my life for a job in another city.
But I didn't get the position.
@ChrisS The filesystem may be consistent, but it doesn't mean the data you want is consistent.
 
2:26 PM
I suppose it would depend on the specifics of the situation.... =]
@BartSilverstrim True, but it should still boot.
 
We have a lot of bad entries in the filesystem table if you check our systems jus twith normal use.
 
Sadly no, because it was meant to be "fix it with a create" Can't fill a missing role with a carrot
 
Yes, it should boot.
 
Dan
@ChrisS Well, anything being read / edited during the power down will be fudged! But aye, should boot
 
That doesn't help when a user's file is damaged and there could have been open file handles at shutdown.
 
2:27 PM
@ChrisS I've killed my laptop File System dropping the power, it does happen.
But its rare.....
 
@BartSilverstrim yeah
 
And I think we all know that rare events prefer to occur at inopportune moments.
 
@ITHedgeHog pity then - vegetables are good for the health
 
@mdmarra...wow...
 
@Dan Each write is journaled before comiting. The FS will be consistent; user-data often isn't so much, but that's the way the application was written, not the OSes fault.
 
2:28 PM
@syneticondj Not so good for web platform uptimes
 
@ITHedgeHog Win7 or 2008R2?
 
@ITHedgeHog depends on where you stuff them
 
@BartSilverstrim NYC wasn't a good move for us
 
@ChrisS Win 7. Not lost a 2K8R2 filesystem (yet).
 
@MDMarra Nor for me :-)
But to each his own.
 
2:29 PM
@ITHedgeHog you need to make sure to aim for the sysadmins
 
Dan
@ChrisS Oh absolutely! Sorry, are still discussing startup repair specifically - I was just reinforcing that unexpected shutdowns are "a bad thing" (TM)
 
and try to hit the mouth
 
Well, the guy wanted a syringe to poison himself, but if that's what he wants, he's doing it wrong.
This should be the kind of thing asked in interviews for sysadmins.
 
It still seems really odd that his users seem pretty hung up on unplugging their computers.. I don't know anyone who does that on any sort of regular basis.
 
That was my second thought.
Who the hell are they hiring?
 
2:31 PM
I know a couple people who are smart enough to unplug their electronics during lightning storms, but that's about it.
 
there are extension leads with switches - maybe they are just impatient and drop the switch while the system is still shutting down
 
@syneticondj Even worse...
greater chance it is in the middle of writes.
 
Why would they even care though?? Just hit shutdown and walk away....
 
@chriss energy conservation
 
We have an energy policy that dictates they have to switch off extension supressors :-/
I don't know if our users are killing them mid-shutdown, though.
 
2:38 PM
Good morning.
 
Good morning...Mr...Anderson...
/lowers sunglasses
 
:)
 
@syneticondj Seems like they're spending more energy trying to save a minuscule amount.
 
Morpheus had the coolest sunglasses ever
 
Dan
http://serverfault.com/questions/359581/connecting-physical-virtualization-server-to-san/359584#359584

So, what's our stance on these questions nowadays
 
2:41 PM
Also, staples.com/… <-- Problem solved (once you get the timer set)
 
@ChrisS You have no idea how much this is pushed right now due to budget constraints.
 
@BartSilverstrim See staples link for a "better" solution.
 
hmm...maybe...then we'd get calls when it fails during a night presentation or teachers in working for conferences :-)
 
@Dan Well, the historical precedent is to close homework questions unless the OP showed a decent amount of clue on the subject and that they had done some research/troubleshooting on their own.
 
@dan: I thought the hostility was reserved for homework questions posed as if they were actual problems.
 
2:44 PM
@Dan With the new FAQ, though, it looks like the explicit "no homework questions" has been taken out...
 
I'd say treat it as a regular question...if it's not asked before and reasonable, then it should get an answer.
 
Dan
Fair enough
 
Anyone have any rough numbers on performance difference between a decent iSCSI HBA and just using ESXi 5's software initiator?
 
the faq is not new yet
@MDMarra I would think the main differentiator would not be performance (i.e. throughput) but CPU load
 
@syneticondj Right. I didn't necessarily mean network performance, though I'd imagine that is better as well.
 
2:48 PM
@MDMarra I've always used the swiscsi in ESXi, though I don't have direct experience with a dedicated iSCSI HBA. In talking with my SAN vendor, they said that it's very rare where it's worth the money to buy a dedicated card. As long as the host is not already CPU-bound and you can dedicate multiple physical network ports, the software initiator will do just fine.
 
@ErikA That's kind of what I thought as well.
Thanks
 
Dan
@MDMarra Just to weigh in and say none of our projects use HBA's and we don't have any performance issues
Though I'm not knowledgeable enough to say why :D
 
There is this paper, not specific to ESXi but with rough numbers though:
 
Dan
Am I missing the plot here:
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Q: Citrix query over snmp for a virtual printer that does not support snmp

HABJANI need a suggestion on how to make this to work. We have a print server which has some "pcl to pdf" converter application that listens on port 9001, collects PCL jobs and creates PDF from PCL. The problem is that pcl to pdf application does not support SNMP. As all this happens in citrix environ...

 
So, it actually looks like the TOE IOPS measurement was higher than with a dedicated HBA?
Interesting
CPU util was way up with it, though (obviously)
 
2:53 PM
The difference is marginal - I would expect it to vary within a small range
 
yeah
 
Interesting read from Spolsky
 
Definitely not a big enough increase to matter, just not what I expected to see
 
BTW: Intel has done a lot of optimization work for offloading iSCSI specifics into their NICs
if supported by the drivers, you should see fairly low CPU and interrupt load with the software initiator as well
 
@BartDeVos Except he really doesn't know how universities work :)
 
2:59 PM
Afternoon, people. I'm looking for some shopping support regarding a virtualization server, anyone want to help?
 
@slhck Isn't that what the sales people from your preferred vendor do for a living? :)
 
CNA's are coming down in price, once most switches support DCE/FCoE I can't see iSCSI surviving
 

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