The Comms Room - 2014-10-23 (page 2 of 3)

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4:00 PM

@TheCleaner Well, that'll be useful for me...I'm pretty sure I'll end up disabling my boss's AD accounts once I have access to their systems...

I love it when you find a SO Q/A where the accepted answer actually edits their answer and says "I'm not right, you should accept this other guy's answer", the other guy's answer has like 15x more votes... and the original answer is still accepted.

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Q: Create an index on a huge mysql production table without table locking

I need to create an index on a ~5M rows mysql table. It is a production table, i fear a complete block of everything if I run a CREATE INDEX statement... Is there a way to create that index without blocking inserts and selects ? Just wondering I have not to stop, create index and restart my sy...

mysql indexing production alter-table table-locking

@cole Did you start working with @ewwhite?

@TheCleaner I would say "no," but at the same time, we're not a vendor-support substitute. "Minimal understanding" is the close reason to use for questions where the OP has no support, and doesn't know the gear well enough to troubleshoot it.

@Wesley "huge mysql table" and "~5M rows" lolwut

@faker Or as my company recently stated: "You don't have big data"

Copy paste https://blog.compose.io/you-dont-have-big-data/

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4:17 PM

@Wesley are you saying our 25 node Hadoop cluster is not big data and I shouldn't call myself "data scientist" anymore?!

@faker That would still be vastly bigger than what most people have and still call "BIG DATERS"

@Wesley did I ever ask you if you had a vector image of the samuel jackson vendetta against cloud marketteers?

@pauska No you didn't, and no I don't. =)

@Wesley Bah, that's crap. If it's not "big data," how come it takes 5 minutes to open up the spreadsheet in Excel?

@Wesley ah :( I wanted to enlarge it and print it

for a wall pic at our office

4:23 PM

thenubbyadmin.com/2014/01/24/…

4:38 PM

Damn @EvanAnderson is answering Windows questions slightly faster than me again today. >:/ If this keeps up, I'm serious danger of actually working at work today,

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley Cloud.

wesley.cloud

@DennisKaarsemaker wesleysbutt.local/~bike/#/yolodevops.rb

Fuck this guy in particular: facebook.com/wesley.cloud

Dennis Kaarsemaker

4:54 PM

@Wesley needs more nodejs

eh-oh, @Chopper3 has arrived. Hide your clouds and cover your devops!

Hmmm... I should start a kickstarter for node.js-as-a-service. Cloud-node.js seems like it should make a fortune while doing nothing and requiring no effort.

Someone is implying that their inability to get to Amazon's status page because of DNS timeouts is our fault.

@HopelessN00b There are plenty of places that do that.

Nodejitsu being the most prominent

Damn. Beat to the easy money again.

Modulus.io is also a good one

And speaking of beatings, beat that person with a router until you get bored. :)

5:02 PM

Joyent does it too, but that makes sense since Ryan Dahl works there

Cleaning up my emails... ahh feels good

Something tells me that almost all devops projects could be replaced with less than a single page of an awk script.

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For some reason I feel the vulnerability reminders will be useful oneday...

5:19 PM

So it's counter-intuitive, but a power-off and power-on may be your best bet. It could also be your worst bet :(

@ewwhite unusually firm of you there Ed

+1 for so many things in that answer. Didn't realize the P600 was so old, but I guess HP support told him he was a really funny guy, having that RAID setup.

25 disk RAID 5? Why not just stripe them? Pretty much the same level of risk but you get MOAR SPEEDS!

Probably setup by someone from the RAID-as-a-backup-solution school of thought.

Cameron Verotti

5:35 PM

Thats thoughtful ;)

RAID is a "limp along and quickly fix this failure"

It's basically server life support

:P

Cameron Verotti

Yea my favorite days is when the controller say "nope" to life and you do not have that particular controller in stock...

Thanks boss... wonderful disaster recovery plans.

RAID5 isn't life support for servers, it's like smoking for servers. Only it doesn't make servers look cool. Or give them a nicotine buzz. And it kills faster.

Cameron Verotti

Raid 10 all the way!

@HopelessN00b Well, I was talking about RAID in general. Except RAID0 of course.

5:43 PM

@iain firm because his action of converting the spare to an array disk would have taken a day or more. That action broke the array.

In general, RAID's a lot more than life support ... Redundancy means availability, and easy recovery, when done right.

@HopelessN00b As in, don't wait to replace the disk if it reports a failure!

With gear that old, the delay may have been caused by searching for someone who had compatible replacement parts. :o

Dear people of the internet: only run your important stuff on hardware that has a support contract (or an on-premises supply of spare parts and people capable of doing the repairs).

The time to plan the retirement of a server is when you purchase the server.

@freiheit You sound like a high school counselor.

5:54 PM

@Wesley Where do you see yourself in 5 years?

@freiheit Hopefully smarter and making even more money.

Maybe even @ewwhite kinds of money.

But probably not.

@freiheit Except no one actually does that, or the butt wouldn't even exist, let alone be the current hawtness.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@freiheit in the litter box.

* Retire RHEL5 (due: 2017-03-31)
* Retire RHEL6 (due: 2020-11-30)
* Retire RHEL7 (due: 2024-06-30)

^^ Items on my long-term todo list.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I have only 420 rhel5 boxes left

5:59 PM

@DennisKaarsemaker #420blazeit

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Dennis Kaarsemaker

I want to retire it before july '15

@freiheit Yeah, that's why I don't plan server retirements. Because if I'm still working at the same place in 5 years, I'm gonna blow my brains out instead.

@HopelessN00b Well, to be honest, we do it on an annual basis, around the fiscal year... A bit before the start of our FY, I look at the hardware that "expires" over the next 5 quarters and we plan what to do with it...

The simple reality of IT is that it's a constant refresh churn for servers and desktops.

@HopelessN00b The butt is (theoretically) a good way to outsource the hardware support stuff...

@freiheit Well, it should be, at least. I can verify, from first-hand experience, that a big, huge chunk of the world doesn't do it the way it should be done.

@HopelessN00b I was just having a related discussion this morning with some co-workers about this...

Setting up your own server outside of the IT dept is so much easier than getting IT to to it for you, because you ignore all of the things that IT/sysadmins actually do (patching, maintenance, security, h/w refresh, OS refresh, application refresh).

6:08 PM

That awkward moment when you scoot down to the floor and RIIIIIIIIP ...welp, there goes my pair of jeans

2 archives with the same contents, compressed with the same command, give different checksums... thats not normal is it?

I argue that is way more awkward. Watch until the end.

@Nick Depends. same command, on the same computer, by the same user?

(And what command and archive format, I suppose...)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

6:25 PM

if it's tar.gz: gz is not a deterministic output format

dennis@spirit:/tmp$ date > foobar
dennis@spirit:/tmp$ tar c foobar | md5sum
4045830733621e1d6fbfcbfe3960bda9  -
dennis@spirit:/tmp$ tar c foobar | md5sum
4045830733621e1d6fbfcbfe3960bda9  -
dennis@spirit:/tmp$ tar c foobar | gzip | md5sum
06ee1220e8f6111d5bfd06f7d353781b  -
dennis@spirit:/tmp$ tar c foobar | gzip | md5sum
8ec2118fdb7c6f82551421b435864943  -

@DennisKaarsemaker Hehe, yup. I don't know why I had to know that, but I do know that...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

gzip -n makes it stable

   -n --no-name
          When  compressing,  do  not save the original file name and time
          stamp by default. (The original name is always saved if the name
          had  to  be  truncated.)  When decompressing, do not restore the
          original file name if present (remove only the gzip suffix  from
          the  compressed  file name) and do not restore the original time
          stamp if present (copy it from the compressed file). This option
          is the default when decompressing.

@DennisKaarsemaker Ah, the timestamp would change the checksum

Dennis Kaarsemaker

correct

Can a mod burninate this guy: serverfault.com/users/250556/shahid1

6:37 PM

Arg. Bitlocker deployment just created our first laptop brick. And, awesomely, it was on a department head's laptop. While he was using it. <sigh>

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Before you blame BitLocker, find out what the department head was doing.

@MichaelHampton "Typing." In his defense, on boot, it throws an inaccessible boot device error, so it probably is something Bitlocker did.

Or, more accurately, something we made Bitlocker do, because our CIO/CTO is a dumbass, who's treated like head janitor, and is desperately trying to impress our monumentally fucktarded board of directors...

Michael Hampton

Typing.. in Disk Management?

... so, ya know, plenty of people to blame, just none of them are this guy.

@MichaelHampton No. Presumably, in outlook or word or one of our butt-hosted services.

Michael Hampton

Ahh, corporate politics fried the laptop, then.

6:43 PM

@MichaelHampton Well, can't say for sure, but lemme show you the command we're using on account of those politics, and see if you can guess where it may have gone wrong.

> manage-BDE -on C: -EncryptionMethod aes256_diffuser -ComputerName [foo] -SkipHardwareTest

Michael Hampton

You should have stopped after the computer name.

a gas pipeline exploded in Germany today: twitter.com/javaguru/status/525244760278441984 woah

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Bingo. But then that would require a reboot before we could start encryption. And that would mean that the deployment would "take too long," as in: the CTO couldn't honestly say all our laptops are encrypted at the next board meeting.

@RyJones WTF? It's sunny outside.

I was told that doesn't happen here!

Don't know what the hangup over honesty is all about. Stupid policy, especially when faced with even stupider policies you're reporting compliance on.

6:47 PM

@MichaelHampton is there a calc available on the redhat exams or will i have to do bash math

Michael Hampton

@mossy bc ought to be installed. But you shouldn't need to do much math.

@MichaelHampton ok. not sure what to expect with lvm management. was just wondering

ty

Michael Hampton

@mossy You can use 100%FREE as a specifier of how much space to allocate.

ohhhh

Michael Hampton

with the LVM tools.

Though it certainly helps if you can do some of this math in your head. For instance, if your extents are 4MB, and you have a 2048 extent LV, then how much space is that? No calculator!!

7:06 PM

@MichaelHampton Depends on whether everyone's using SI prefixes correctly or not. :p

@DennisKaarsemaker ah ... it was tar.gz that explains it

The amount of people using MongoDB as a job queue is utterly shocking. Why wouldn't you use a regular MQ store like a normal person?!

Michael Hampton

@Wesley I don't see a problem with this. Your message queue might drop messages, after all...

You can do transactional message queues that have confirmed delivery.

E.g. "Confirms" in Rabbit

Michael Hampton

7:21 PM

Why are we even bothering with elections again?

@MichaelHampton because the masses get all pissy when they're told that they have no say in the political system, and pissy masses make the political authorities nervous.

Jurassic Park is on TV. It's a clusterfuck of how not to architect a huge mission-critical system.

@TomO'Connor This is UNIX! I know this! clicks Start menu

The new vmware remote console is quite nifty

@Wesley Dennis Nedry: [laughs] I am totally unappreciated in my time. You can run this whole park from this room with minimal staff for up to 3 days. You think that kind of automation is easy? Or cheap? You know anybody who can network 8 connection machines and debug 2 million lines of code for what I bid for this job? devops

7:28 PM

brings back some of the "thick client" functionality

I just plugged headphones in my laptop and wondered why no sound was coming out of the speaker. I've become a user. =(

This was probably a bad time to stop drinking coffee.

@Wesley Looks like today was a bad day to quit sniffing glue.

@TomO'Connor Today was a bad day to stop freebasing cocain off of dead hookers.

@Wesley #AZLife

@TomO'Connor I wanted to make @ewwhite money so I became a drug mule for Las Zetas.

7:34 PM

hah

Do we have any Massachusetts based SF users?

I'm gonna be in/around boston for 10 days early next month

Michael Hampton

I'm an hour out of Boston. Then there's @cole, and some other people I can't remember offhand

I'm like 45 outside of Boston

Well depends where in Boston.

I'll be in the UK I think soon myself lol.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, but in the wrong direction :)

@cole I'm actually in Westford..

But have booked a "Elite SUV" whatever Avis translates that as!

Michael Hampton

Chevrolet Traverse

The Chevrolet Traverse is a seven or eight seat, full-size crossover SUV built on the GM Lambda platform that underpins the GMC Acadia and Buick Enclave. It is a successor to both the Uplander and TrailBlazer EXT. The Traverse was built in Spring Hill, Tennessee from its introduction until late 2009, when production was moved to the same Delta Township Assembly plant in Lansing, Michigan that produces the other Lambda-platform crossovers as a replacement for the Saturn Outlook because of GM phasing out the Saturn brand. However, Saturn Outlook production resumed for a short time during early 2010...

7:47 PM

@MichaelHampton Very possibly.

As it's allegedly forecast to snow the week i'm there, perhaps i'll see if they have a full-time AWD vehicle.

Michael Hampton

@TomO'Connor So their web site says.

@TomO'Connor Ugh, I hate those fucking rental car categories. The people who made them clearly have no idea what a premium, luxury, or sports car actually is.

@HopelessN00b Indeed.

Michael Hampton

@TomO'Connor I think it's a bit early to begin predicting snow that far out. But it's always a possibility.

@MichaelHampton Says the weather channel.

Michael Hampton

7:49 PM

More likely it'll be rain. Autumn here is often rainy, and this one has been no exception.

Email server updates and PBX server updates oh my!

@MichaelHampton Rain I can handle. I'm british-ish

Michael Hampton

I more expected Irish-ish

Nope

British born, raised in northern VA for a while, and the rest of my formative years in Blighty.

nifty, if two people have the remote console open you can see their mouse move around, ha

8:01 PM

@NathanC Yeah. You can also steal their focus.

We were trying to get USB passthrough to work, but vmware didn't like the USB drive for whatever reason (it's the Autodesk proprietary one, apparently)

So i ended up sharing the entire drive so we can install the license server on a server, lol

8:17 PM

@Jacob it comes and goes. The yellow orb taunts us

@Jacob You should go outside in a bit, then. There's a partial solar eclipse underway. Started in Seattle already. peaks at 3pm.

Michael Hampton

8:33 PM

Can't see a damn thing here, too cloudy and rainy. Hey, Seattle people, you want your weather back?

@MichaelHampton rainy here right now

well, clouded over

I'm so witty to include that Youtube link...I crack myself up

"university hypothetical project (That won't be realized) in which they propose a set of needs and the students in groups work to define a solution." If that's the case, then why not tell them the price is $(insert made up price here)? youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM Or call CDW or Tiger Direct and ask them as if you were buying. — TheCleaner 1 min ago

I need this for a university hypothetical project (That won't be realized) in which they propose a set of needs and the students in groups work to define a solution.

Propose that you supply a pirated version. Cost of $0, and/or profit of whatever you bill the client for the software you supplied. — HopelessN00b 15 secs ago

@TheCleaner This is how sales departments work: youtube.com/watch?v=1SNxaJlicEU

Or tell the professor it was free: microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/sql-server/try.aspx - since the class will be over within 6 months anyway. :D — TheCleaner 9 secs ago

@Wesley :) that was awful...the first one was much better.

8:49 PM

I like that one because of this part:
Web Dude: This on call number is for emergencies only, not application support!
Chip: Well I'm telling you that this is an emergency, this is a, uh, customer facing issue.
Web Dude: Sigh... just... what is it.

"YOU SALES GUYS THINK YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING WITH POWERPOINT! YOU'D PROBABLY BROWSE THE WEB WITH POWERPOINT!"

Yes I can quote almost every episode verbatim from heart. =)

Okay was I mean?

Downvoted because we don't do homework for people. — Wesley 4 mins ago

I really miss the good ol' days, before everything went online... you know, back when students would try to improve their grade in a class by offering sexual favors to their professors (or people claiming to be their professors). Now, with all this "do my homework for me" activity online, I haven't gotten a good blowjob in I don't even remember how long. — HopelessN00b 43 secs ago

Michael Hampton

You know i have to nuke that, right?

Of course... And it deserves to be nuked. Just thought Wesley and TheCleaner might appreciate seeing it.

@HopelessN00b You're lucky cronyism is alive and well in this chatroom

You make it entertaining for sure

9:00 PM

Otherwise I would have to send you a mod message and with your history you'd be shitcanned for a month

cryonism? lol

tornado south of here

@TheCleaner it's early, forgive me a few typos

A month? For being wistful about a simpler time? Pretty harsh.

@HopelessN00b No, because it's far from your first offense

9:02 PM

@MarkHenderson it forced me to look it up...I was like "what's cry-onism?"

Cronyism is partiality to long-standing friends, especially by appointing them to positions of authority, regardless of their qualifications. Hence, cronyism is contrary in practice and principle to meritocracy. Cronyism exists when the appointer and the beneficiary are in social contact; often, the appointer is inadequate to hold his or her own job or position of authority, and for this reason the appointer appoints individuals who will not try to weaken him or her, or express views contrary to those of the appointer. Politically, "cronyism" is derogatorily used. == Etymology == The word "crony...

Yeah I got it after I realized it was a misspelling

Seems harsh to consider that comment an offense at all, really.

@HopelessN00b Don't even start

<shrug> alright.

Michael Hampton

9:10 PM

And, keep in mind, that not all the moderators are in this chat room. If you aren't careful you'll find yourself face to face with one of the others...

@MichaelHampton face to face? How cool would it be to piss off an SE mod so bad that they show up at your work? That could make SE history right there!

Such is life... not that I intended to leave that comment up long enough for that to be likely. But if it happens, it happens.

Hmmm.... If an SE mod did show up at my work, I bet I could claim a referral notice before the suits realized he/she wasn't a new hire.

@HopelessN00b Your work doesn't have an SE mod? what kind of workplace doesn't have an SE mod?

@freiheit Back to partly cloudy.

@MichaelHampton no thanks

@freiheit 20% of our staff are SE mods!

9:19 PM

@MarkHenderson You have 4 co-workers?

@freiheit yes

Yes I do

Our staff is also 60% female

And 100% technical

@MarkHenderson Is it can be hugs tiem nao?

So suck on that gender statistics

ouch I worked on the product they're blaming those losses on (in part)!

@Wesley I just got done hunting through the neighbours rubbish bin for food cos the left the lid off and I'm pretty sure I stuck my nose in a dirty nappy, so yeah let's hugs!

9:20 PM

Invalid flag!

@MarkHenderson Just the other day someone I know had to cut his son out of his own underwear because the kid shit himself so thoroughly.

@Wesley Oh wow

I haven't had that one

I've had the one where they shit in their car seat and it all goes right up their back

Poop fountains!

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@Wesley wait, the father cut the son out of the father's underwear? insane

(it's gotta be a pretty massive shit to do that though)

@MarkHenderson I mentioned it to my mom and she apparently had a similar experience with me.

9:23 PM

@MarkHenderson We have something like 3,263 employees, but only 1,085 we call "staff". I have no idea if we're below or above 0.1% SE mods...

We let my son piss on the trees in the back yard, but when he was toilet training he assumed it was OK to lay a log at the tree as well

nice charts on Amazon

Apparently I filled my diapers so badly that I left a comet trail of shit as she punted me into the shower.

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That was an unleasant surprise when I mowed the lawn

@MarkHenderson Laughing so hard.

"Dad can I go pee on the trees?"
"Wellllll..."
"PLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASE IVE BEEN GOOOOOODD!!"
"Okay, son. Okay."
"YYAAAAYYYyyyyyy..."

I like to think that's how it went.

9:42 PM

what a day

@ewwhite was diving into money bags like Scrooge McDuck not all it was cracked up to be?

I rode my bike around Chicago and ran errands.

I just got home, and the Los Angeles produce market is having a blackout...

@ewwhite ebola related?

@RyJones NO... Third-World-America power infrastructure.

Michael Hampton

Of course they are, it's Los Angeles, where it's illegal to sell enough electricity for everyone.

9:47 PM

so I have about 40 systems down right now.

@ewwhite ugh

POWERCHUTE MAIL MESSAGE

Message from PowerChute@Morita:

Low battery condition: 022.0%.

I can't call any of the clients either

@ewwhite PBXes down?

yes

@ewwhite So some of them may actually shut down cleanly?

9:54 PM

@freiheit a handful

I have ~2-4 hours of battery runtime for the vSphere clusters out there.

but even if they shut off completely, it's fine

I'm not an advocate of Powerchute or orderly shutdown for VMware clusters.

I'd guess that the Produce companies are more worried about losing produce due to loss of refrigeration than about some computers going down the wrong way...

this facility is a co-op, so none of the firms can buy generators

What up goobers?

@kce ur face

@Wesley :(

10:03 PM

@kce You and @mossy should work together at Rackspace. How'd you like to move to Texas?

So does everyone know what "Ready for Rebuild" means now?

Anyone know where I can dig up some research to support my claim that consumer-grade USB hard drives are not appropriate for backup systems?

@ewwhite no, what does it mean

It's HP's way of saying you have an URE

@Wesley I could probably do Texas but I'd miss the snow.

10:05 PM

@kce are USB disks unsuitable for backup?

new 10k user serverfault.com/users/37681/hbruijn

@kce I do like it here in Arizona, but it's nice to ramble up into the mountains to experience some snow.

@kce Well, you could always just "trial" one. Odds are the thing will only support USB 1.x, and be too slow to use for backup purposes.

by the way... the outage of ~40 servers in the middle of the day means $$$

@ewwhite In my opinion, yes. I think purpose-built SMB stuff like the RDX system is fine but I think any old consumer USB disk is a bit dangerous.

10:06 PM

@kce It's funny, I can go from mid 80s here in Phoenix in the winter, and within two hours be near Flagstaff and see snow drifts up to a barn's roof.

@ewwhite, I just don't want to bet the company on a $100 external drive.

Driving here in April of 2010 there were ~7foot snow drifts against cabins in the mountains and then it was like 75 and sunny two hours later when we got into Phoenix.

@Wesley I could totally dig Flagstaff.

@kce I still wish there were good, compact universal backup solutions.

@ewwhite LTO isn't terrible but its priced pretty far out of the SMB business.

I guess I should just CLOUD.

Stop building things and CLOUD!

10:09 PM

@ewwhite I don't get why those are such a problem, honestly. Seems silly that in this day and age, the systems can't just mark that block/sector whatever as corrupt and move on to the next one. "Sector [foo] is unreadable, file(s) [snorf] are corrupt, continueing."

@kce LTO is cheap... (at least, my pricing is...)

but you still need a good backup suite and processes

Backup Exec seems terrible

Veeam has saved my ass now that I'm using it for Vmware

Veeam here as well.

@ewwhite Well, fo file level backups and LTO, it's like democracy. The worst thing out there, except for eveything else.

@kce Yes, stop everything and put all the things in the BUTT.

but my produce servers mostly rely on tape backup using Cactus Lone-Tar

or replication and ZFS snapshots

10:10 PM

@freiheit That is essentially my manager's plan.

@kce Lube, no lube, or sand-as-lube?

@freiheit my another client is replicating to MY cloud/

Oh, yeah, well, for file-level backups, LTO, and Windows systems, there really isn't much better than LTO.

and they called last week: restore the entire Citrix server VM, please

I'm like, "don't you want to troubleshoot?"

"Nope... restore the entire VM..."

over a 50Mbps connection, it still took 13 hours.

@ewwhite So... what you're saying is... your client is putting it back in your butt?

10:13 PM

@ewwhite, I'm seeing prices around $5000 for a LTO6 drive and media (5x cartridges).

@kce yeah, don't use LTO-6

@kce Why LTO 6, though? Why not LTO 5?

LTO-5 drives are ~1300-$1700

Or LTO4, for that matter.

LTO-4 drives are ~$1000

I'm doing LTO-3 (800GB) for $300

10:14 PM

@ewwhite Because LTO-6 is one more better than LTO-5? But yeah LTO-5 is probably where we'd have to go.

that's my pricing, though. Don't be a sucker and pay retail

Yup. I despise tape, but nothing give you more storage bang for the buck.

@ewwhite 800 GB raw or after compression?

400/800

Ah.

10:15 PM

@ewwhite Yeah. I'm not HP's Crack Dealer of Year so I imagine it'd cost me more.

@kce Well, if you don't shop around, of course. Go refurb, look at other OEMs, etc., and you could probably meet or beat that price.

I have three tape drives in my office right now... LTO-3 and LTO-4

my dog is sitting on one of them

@HopelessN00b I'm sure I could find a decent setup for a few thousand. I just have to convince the powers that be it that it's worth spending it instead of just sticking with our Western Digitial Passport from Newegg or whatever.

We're currently using RDX here. Much easier to start with (the drive is cheap), but the media's expensive. Works if you have little data and/or short retention.

Also, software support is severely lacking :\

@Bob We're on a combination of RDX and ducktape. I would like to go either D2D2C or D2D2T.

10:21 PM

@kce Enh. Well, to play devil's advocate/argue the business case, that's actually a good enough solution, so long as you verify your back ups, and then copy them off to something else (copy not mirror) - can even be another USB drive you keep offline, in a different location (except for when you're copying to it). Did that for years at a previous job. Worked fine. Except for th apin in the ass of manual copying and hooking up the USB drive every day.

Seems the dog does NOT approve of LTO-3...

@HopelessN00b That's what we were doing before moving to RDX. Had a bunch of portable USB HDDs.

I use RDX with my Macbook of all things

It... well, it worked. Just don't drop them.

@HopelessN00b That' true. I see that argument. I just think for a business of our size a few thousand is cheap insurance.

But enough.

10:23 PM

I sold a load of RDX drives because I was getting them from HP with 500GB media for $75.

Yup. I think we ended up with like half a dozen bricked drives by the end of my tenure there, but we kept replacing them, and never lost any data.

@ewwhite There's actually a documented installation of RDX?!

I thought it was just a fable

@MarkHenderson it is

Backup Exec sucks with it

and my Lone-Tar doesn't work too well

it's the worst of all worlds...

not fast, not well supported.

@ewwhite Sounds like a huge success then

but works great for a Mac and Time Machine

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Q: Are RDX removable disks a good replacement for LTO tape?

Over a period of three weeks, I experienced six complete failures of LTO-1 and LTO-2 tape drives at client sites. Some had failed mechanisms. Others lost the ability to write reliably. These were HP Ultrium 232, 448 and 460 drives. Most of these units were deployed between 2006 and 2008, so the t...

backup hard-drive tape

10:27 PM

@ewwhite Speed-wise it's not too bad..?

as fast as a USB3 device can go

I looked at tape libraries on eBay a while back, but at the end of the day two NAS's with a 20MB link between them was a whole lot less physical work and was cheaper

@ewwhite Ah, ours is internal.

Dell's RD1000. ... which is significantly slower than USB 3 can do, bleh

but even then...

my LTO-5 is all like, "eff that!"

...I never did do a speed test.

10:28 PM

==============================================================================
   WARNING: Excluding files listed in /log/list.dir/exclude-Master_Tape-Drive
    CHOICE: LONE-TAR.LONE-TAR Master Backup (cron)
      NODE: Progressive_Management  HOST: Progressive_Management
    OPTION: -X /log/list.dir/exclude-Master_Tape-Drive -0 10 -zBG .
    DEVICE: Tape-Drive (/dev/st0)
     BEGAN: Thu Oct 23 00:00:02 PDT 2014
Total Data: 339365.94  Megabytes
 Room Left: 2652112128.0  Kilobytes  (2589953.25  Megabytes)

9090.2 MB/min

Also, do any of you like watching 19 Kids & Counting?

coderwall.com/p/h6yfda

@ewwhite Having two kids stresses me out

The Match.com ads for my Pandora account are all for women who are 15-20 years older than me.

Hmmm.

@kce how i like 'em

@kce 15-20 years my age my age <--- huh? Does this mean like jailbait chicks, or cougars?

10:43 PM

@HopelessN00b Cougars.

oh thank god

I mean the internet's creepy but its not that creepy.

@kce Definitely the better option, then. I've also found that women get less crazy as they get older, so I tend to prefer cougars to women my age... or, heaven forbid, younger than me.

@kce which internet are you using that it's not that creepy

@Iain No kidding. Every day this week I've seen a new article on Google News about a different government official being arrested for child porn. :/

10:48 PM

obviously a turn-on

@ewwhite Um, what now?

@HopelessN00b well, it's clear that people like child porn

here I am, writing regexes for copyrights

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