The Comms Room

Heh. Already skipped lunch today, but thanks anyway. :p

@HopelessN00b Small units like Pis also don't have moving parts, so they're more resilient in a harsh environment that is a factory floor (dust, etc)

I'm actually surprised how long the machines we do have out there are surviving with how much dust flies around

I really considered making custom streaming source clients out of raspberry pis for that streaming customer of mine a while back. It could have been cool.

Having said that, I've seen plenty of PCs on the floor that are retired for obsolescence, in working order, with fans that no longer turn, so I'm not sure the moving parts thing matters.

Heh.

They run until they die and are replaced

...are we slave drivers to the poor PCs?

6:03 PM

Dunno bout that, but I'm thinking that if the machines ever rise up in revolt against humanity, I'll be on their side.

6:20 PM

<win/fail penguin>Reimaging all the computers in the school I work at,
Have to use ubuntu skinned as windows
<win/fail penguin>

Basil

@Nick That's not a win/fail penguin, that's a socially awkward and socially awesome penguin. And it's not meant to be used for things like this, it's for 180 degree changes in social situations

@MichaelHampton LXC issues.

 lxc-create -n pms-dev1 -t centos
getopt: unrecognized option '--rootfs=/var/lib/lxc/pms-dev1/rootfs'

Find whoever thought up Docker and shoot him.

versus...

 lxc-create -n testcontainer -t centos

lxc-create: No config file specified, using the default config /etc/lxc/default.conf
Checking cache download in /var/cache/lxc/centos/x86_64/6/rootfs ...
Cache found. Updating...
Updates disabled
Update finished
Copy /var/cache/lxc/centos/x86_64/6/rootfs to /var/lib/lxc/testcontainer/rootfs ...
Copying rootfs to /var/lib/lxc/testcontainer/rootfs ...setting root passwd to WesleyGIMP
container rootfs and config created
'centos' template installed
'testcontainer' created

@Basil meh I suck at memes

6:23 PM

difference seems to be:

# rpm -qf /usr/bin/lxc-create
lxc-1.0.6-1.el6.x86_64

versus

# rpm -qf /usr/bin/lxc-create
lxc-0.9.0-2.el6.x86_64

Basil

@Nick it's ok, they're the lowest form of communication

@ewwhite I see that root password

LXC is the worst maintained open source package I've seen in a long time

Seriously... how do I even make ubuntu look like windows?

Don't look at me, I use libvirt

6:25 PM

@NathanC oops

@Nick Ubuntu? Forget it. Use KDE and set the wallpaper

@MichaelHampton Linux Mint.

@NathanC It's based on Ubuntu, so it has almost all the same problems.

@MichaelHampton school computer to be abused by kids, ubuntu yeah... what could possibly go wrong?

@Nick Less than on an actual Windows PC...

6:28 PM

@MichaelHampton its winXP atm so yeah itll be better

@Nick For situations like that, a thin client with netboot would probably suffice. A reboot would wipe everything out :P

@Nick Oh, Windows XP at the moment? Well, don't forget to log in as root by default, then. With a blank password.

@NathanC its dinosaur aged machines that barely boot, I would be surprised if netboot works

I could buy some flash drives and add a read only system there

@Nick Windows doesn't play nice with a read-only filesystem, though.

The other method is to use virtualization and snapshots

@NathanC ... told you we are switching to ubuntu skinned as windows :p

6:34 PM

@Nick I don't think Ubuntu would like it much, either. Where else will it store all its temp stuff? lol

@NathanC and visualization on these machines? are you fucking kidding me?

@NathanC the 1GB of memory it has

but most have 512MB

@Nick Well, I'm more talking about moving the virtualization to a server and the PCs just remotely connect (RDP or otherwise)

but that requires infrastructure :p

@NathanC well, if you could find a server... tha'd be great

cause we have a strict budget of 0 euros

Ha, yeah. Options are limited with a budget (or lack thereof)

Lucio

morning!

Somebody lazy enough to try this out..?

6:37 PM

@Nick spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde

@MichaelHampton hmm lxde seems a good choice

Lucio

thanks buddy :)

@Lucio Interesting :p

Lucio

indeed

@MichaelHampton the lxc-create went from a script to a binary

6:45 PM

Well, ldap is down so we're fucked. Can't do anything.

@MichaelHampton what happened to the moderator newsletters that used to be on e.g. moderators.stackexchange.com/2014/04/april-2014-newsletter ?

@RyJones uh oh

@cole indeed. That's managed by some other team, so all we can do is wait

@RyJones that really sucks

@Iain modnewsletter.stackexchange.com

6:57 PM

@MichaelHampton cheers

@MichaelHampton can ewe get meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/274632/… on SF ?

@Basil Found the Redditor.

@RyJones Paid to wait!

@Iain I'm pretty sure we can, if someone suggests what should be written in one. They are tied to specific tags.

Basil

@Wesley I can quit any time I want to.

@MichaelHampton could we use it to head off at the pass stuff tagged cron or mod-rewrite and just send people to the canonical Q&A ?

Would you like a picture of Clippy too?

@Iain Yes, they can contain links

7:12 PM

I'm sure we could find a few tags where mentioning the need for logs would be appropriate ssh apache-2 and similar

And clippy meh should be a bofh logo

@Basil talk to me when you're modding multiple defaults, saying the same thing

@Iain All right, post on meta under tag-warnings feature-request

7:28 PM

@JourneymanGeek licecap is dope.

@Basil You tell yourself th- ooh, another post! click

LDAP is back, sort of

hooooo ray

from the tombs of the did he really just

So, you did exactly what I suggested, and (I'm assuming it worked), yet you type up and accept your own answer? Instead of accepting mine? — BigHomie Feb 26 at 11:53

@BigHomie Votes applied properly

@BigHomie also, sup homie?

'sup, yeah they did, but the never of that dude >.>

I just got an u/v on it today which brought it back to my attention, and since I haven't been here in a while I thought I'd drop in and say wassup

wassup.

Anybody here catch Ebola yet?

3

7:40 PM

Nope, and I even live right next to Dallas

that's good

that you haven't gotten it even though you live close to ground zero, not that you live close to ground zero.

I think I might even start eating dried fruit bats again

@BigHomie Well, we were discussing eating bloody wormy poops earlier.

Bloody wormy poops > RaspberryPis

RaspberryPiss > RaspberryPis

RaspberryPis > Your face

Your face > @DennisKaarsemaker's face

^ The world explained.

@BigHomie I don't see mdmoore313's comments on that question either

@RyJones BigHomie's named used to be mdmoore313 before he went stealth.

Before he killed a man in Vegas and had to drop his name.

7:46 PM

@Wesley oh and now you take him out of the closet?

@RyJones I have to clean and dry him once in a while, yeah.

Let's not forget by definition @Wesley licks himself on a daily.

@BigHomie Also, for amusement, I play with balls frequently.

Reply from 192.168.12.175: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.12.175: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.12.175: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.12.175: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=64

The wireless interference is strong with this one

(pi over wifi)

cockos.com is a really awkward domain to share with someone.

CockOS, for when you really have to #devops HARD

2

tombull89

7:52 PM

@BigHomie achoo - huh, must be ebola.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley my face > your moms face > the rest of the world > you

@DennisKaarsemaker Me > Ubuntu

Dennis Kaarsemaker

MichelZ

8:07 PM

effing supermicro

@DennisKaarsemaker I like Comic Sans

MichelZ

another esx "unexpected reboot"

Well I have good news and I have bad news. Good news is I got my first CUDA application working. Bad news is that it's slower than my earlier CPU version. >:(

Comic Sans is beautiful dyslexics to eyes the of.

@RyanRies You need a better GPU?

8:09 PM

Nah I just need to optimize the everliving fuck out of it

Luckily the CUDA tool kit comes with some really fantastic profiling and tracing tools

Q: Should we enable Tag Specific Popups

0

Some time ago we requested Clippy Pop out and help people as a better question. (time passed) Someone else asked for a similar feature on mSE. (more time passed) This feature has been added to Stack Overflow. I think that Server Fault could benefit from a feature like this. For example...

Defragging a SQL Server - never done it - has anyone here?

@cole Only idiots

SysAdmin1138 Expounds: Getting stuck in Siberia

8:24 PM

Backups are running stupid slow on these SQL boxes

They're all 1TB+ servers

Sysadmin1138 Expounds

posted on October 22, 2014 by SysAdmin1138

I went on a bit of a twitter rant recently. @SysAdm1138 What if you're the employee on the other side of the desk? There's only so many times you can ask for a decision... -- Kevin Elliott (@KevinCElliott) October 20,...

@cole What kind of backups? I don't bother taking system-level backups from SQL Servers very often. I take one system-level backup per week, and I take full backups of the database nightly and transaction logs every 2 hours

@MarkHenderson so the way they do it here - they run a maintenance job within SQL - then do a VADP (snapshot) backup through NetWorker

for the VMs

@cole SAN level snapshot or a VM level snapshot?

Incremental Mon - Thurs Fulls on Friday

@MarkHenderson VM level

8:31 PM

A VM level snapshot won't affect the backup speed regarding defrags

bbiab - gotta run to the chiropractor

cya

Actually

I'm a fucking idiot

These are all physical boxes

Deerrrp

So we still run the SQL maintenance job that does the backup to a bak file - then do a file level backup. Incremental Mon - Thurs and full on Friday

ok I'll be back

Paging @HopelessN00b - we need a sarcastic comment here:

-3

Q: TCP ports unreachable

Several network adapter devices (Global Caché GC100) receive their IP address from a DHCP server. A TCP port is opened on such device to control it. After some days (from one week to 4 months), those devices can't be reached anymore. It is impossible to connect to their ports. Even if I hard rebo...

port

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So I'm admittedly not an Apple Server guy so maybe it was obvious, but how do you know this question: http://superuser.com/questions/830257/the-osx-process-that-wont-die isn't dealing with an Apple Server and the guy is a sysadmin?

> I'm a very good Snr. Developer, 11 years experience. Focus on the Microsoft and Java stacks C#, ASP .Net, IIS & MS-SQL. Java 1.6 JSF Tomcat JBoss WebSpare Oracle.

That's what they say about themselves

8:40 PM

@Iain :) gotcha. I try not to look there anymore. Don't want to be accused of profiling (pun intended).

Bob

@TheCleaner Apple... server?

Didn't they discontinue OSX Server at some point?

@cole should have a SQL maintenance plan in place that does GFS style backups within SQL itself or a 3rd party with api's.

@Bob don't know...never used it and didn't stay up on it...but that was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the question

9:01 PM

@Bob Nope, these days it's an addon you buy in the Apple store

Bob

o.O

Addon... server OS... wut.

Yep, converts your existing OS X to OS X Server

It is, however, not something I would call "professional". Maybe "prosumer".

What can I do? Hopefully you can explain your problem better so that anyone has any idea what hell you're talking about. That's where I'd start, at least. — HopelessN00b 19 secs ago

And that kind of "question" was my whole freaking day today. God damn cuntly Kentucky mother fuckers.

9:19 PM

ROFL

@TheCleaner Hmm. Seeing as how you're here, and you Windows, do you know of any quick, easy, scriptable way to check if a WinRM or PowerShell Remoting session is possible, without just trying to connect? (Because that gets me hundreds of failure messages flooding my PS window.)

Bob

Have you tried, y'know, unmounting? — Bob 33 mins ago

shrug

@HopelessN00b Winrm id –r:machinename

[root@proddb02 ~]# fio-update-iodrive fusion_3.2.8-20140508.fff
WARNING: DO NOT TURN OFF POWER OR RUN ANY IODRIVE UTILITIES WHILE THE FIRMWARE UPDATE IS IN PROGRESS
  Please wait...this could take a while

twiddling thumbs...

Cameron Verotti

You know your company you work for is suffering when they deny your CAT-6 cable 1000ft box l purchase request for 60 bucks... swear to god I am gonna get laid off lol

9:27 PM

@CameronVerotti maybe they wanted you to get cat5e?

Cameron Verotti

Oh but they will buy a Drobo....

@RyJones Maybe I will not know till tomorrow. purchasing and corporate are on the other side of the country they just closed lol they do this all the time

examples:

WSManFault
Message = The client cannot connect to the destination specified in the request. Verify that the service on the dest
ination is running and is accepting requests. Consult the logs and documentation for the WS-Management service running o
n the destination, most commonly IIS or WinRM. If the destination is the WinRM service, run the following command on the
destination to analyze and configure the WinRM service: "winrm quickconfig".

Cameron Verotti

deny purchases then hope I don't remember tomorrow...

OR success:

IdentifyResponse
ProtocolVersion = http://schemas.dmtf.org/wbem/wsman/1/wsman.xsd
ProductVendor = Microsoft Corporation
ProductVersion = OS: 6.1.7601 SP: 1.0 Stack: 2.0

@TheCleaner Ah, there it is. Thanks!

9:30 PM

welcome

Yeah, nothing like scripting to make me feel like a talentless hack, that's for sure.

9:49 PM

-       Installing dell_dup_componentid_20137 - 1.98Installation failed for package: dell_dup_componentid_20137 - 1.98
aborting update...

The error message from the low-level command was:

Failed to access Virtual USB Device

effin' dell

Meh. Never had that problem on our Dells. Must be the effin' Linux. :)

I think @JoelESalas' reputation is suffering because of how long I'm taking with this.

he said something about coworkers spitting on him.

10:19 PM

@ewwhite I miss Joel. :'(

Sometimes I think it would be cool to visit and/or live in the UK for a while, but then I see things that are even dumber than the US: "10-Year-Old Purchases Pumpkin Carving Kit With Sharp Serrated Knife"

Then I remember doctors in the UK tried to ban kitchen knives because they're sharp and people could hurt themselves or others.

So there's that.

Jacob

@RyJones rain :(

10:43 PM

@Jacob I like it very much, but I understand it's new for you

I do miss thunderstorms from back east

@Jacob Luckily, the human body is basically waterproof. (IPX4-IPX6)

11:04 PM

So, Dell switches don't understand that some countries have daylight savings over newyears period; it insists that DST start month must be before the end month

@MarkHenderson Nobody actually lives south of the equator, right?

@MarkHenderson Can you swap the start and end and tell it that DST adds an hour instead of subtracts?

Q: Setting DST timespan on Dell N-series switches that span over newyears

11:21 PM

@freiheit Tried that

Can't have a negative DST offset

0

I have a stack of brand new Dell N2048 switches. I am doing the initial setup, and am wanting to set up Daylight Savings Time for Australia. Our DST runs from October to April every year, but the switch will not let me configure this date/time span: Error: Recurring summer time start value...

daylight-saving dell-n2000

I'm looking up the CLI reference for it now, maybe the CLI can do it

Personally I'm a fan of UTC

@MarkHenderson It's always reassuring when a spelling mistake any spellchecker could find shows up in your error messages...

And there aint nothing in the CLI reference abotu setting timezones

Wait, there it is

They call it summertime not daylight savings

You aren't really saving daylight, anyway.

Yay the CLI will set it

11:28 PM

@ewwhite That thing looks an awful lot like a cheap crappy home router.

@freiheit Don't get me started. I dealt with an appliance that was heinous with that. The UI and logs had spelling errors. And this was a US company, so they can't blame translators.

11:40 PM

Go to front page. see someone suggest to strace on production server. Log out.

my life.

@MichaelHampton I have clients who go to Best Buy and buy stuff like that.

@mossy what's wrong with that?

uhh

strace on something like mysql doesn't slow it down x100?

@ewwhite Here's a dirty little secret about those cheap crappy home routers. The WAN port is actually part of the same switch as all the other ports. It's only separated by a VLAN, which the firmware hides from the user.

@MichaelHampton which is what DD-WRT can reconfigure...

but you know me... I don't use that crap

@ewwhite Yes, and any other reasonable firmware.

11:42 PM

@ewwhite You go wash your whore mouth out for saying DD-WRT!

@ewwhite I'm open to correction here, but anything i've learned is that it seriously shits on performance. if not i'd like to use more.

@mossy I will use it in prod sometimes...

but there are better/different tools nowadays.

perf and sysdig...

hm

well in other news: extra-life.org/…

I mean, don't strace mysql...

should be fun.

11:49 PM

@ewwhite strace MongoDB!

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley That makes me wanna shank someone.

@Wesley You know of ObjectRocket?

Journeyman Geek

Also, that's probably that crazy newspaper that's all think of the children all the time.

@mossy Yeah.