The Comms Room

12:13 AM

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Q: Do drivers that are not active change anything about a computer?

I have a situation where I am using a backup product for a system of computers. The computers are very sensitive, highly unstable and require very high reliability. To test the backups I usual lay require to inject a driver to avoid blue screens in recovery mode. If I install the driver before...

I removed my eye mask just to read that terrible question!! It's going back on!

no, I should realize gimp masks are NSFW here.

cole

@Jacob you say that

Ry Jones

@cole no you say that

cole

I would not wish my job on anyone lol.

ewwhite

12:45 AM

That's terrible, right?

Ry Jones

@ewwhite what's bad about it?

ewwhite

Gawker says, "The Burger King Tweet That Might Be the Saddest Tweet of All Time"

"These Chicken Strips tho," though. A group of people somewhere decided that Burger King should, too, get in on meme Twitter, but as this was run up the flagpole they couldn't get past one tangled knot: Arbitrary Corporate Proper Nouns. So, the result: a billion dollar company using social media to sound like a 19-year-old, but unable to get itself to de-capitalize the phrase "chicken strips."

Ry Jones

so, some horrible gossip mag doesn't like Burger King. got it

ewwhite

I find the meme-speak a little funny.

I just explained "tho" to my wife

Ry Jones

could you explain it to me?

I bought one of those 5 packs of chicken strips and they were horrible, btw.

ewwhite

12:49 AM

I did, too..

and they were too big... and drenched in BBQ

Ry Jones

yes, exactly. they were swimming in the sauce.

too hard, as well. cooked too long.

ewwhite

I'm all about Chicken Fries...

but "tho" == "though". Meant to emphasize or give a good spin on whatever precedes it.

"dat azz tho" == "Oh, my gosh, that ASS was great!!"

Ry Jones

@ewwhite THEY ARE ALWAYS OUT OF THOSE

ewwhite

@RyJones gotta go early! 11am or bust

Ry Jones

@ewwhite I did not know that

neat carabiner knife

cole

1:11 AM

@RyJones oh I like that.

Jacob

1:32 AM

@ewwhite I want some... Looks like I'm going out for dinner

Ry Jones

2:04 AM

@cole get some

Wesley

3:08 AM

Now I want chicken and waffles.

Ry Jones

3:40 AM

@Wesley Shari's sells a weak version, open 24/7

Wesley

3:51 AM

@RyJones I would eat Shari's waffles.

Ry Jones

@Wesley hit the road

Wesley

@RyJones I had a Shari's just down the road from me growing up.

Brings back memories

Mark Henderson

So i spent the first 3 hours of day in a meeting, and the last 3 hours digging through log files

What a fucking day

Ry Jones

have a beer

Mark Henderson

4:06 AM

@RyJones Its pretty cold today but maybe I shall

Also my Dell order was meant to arrive today but I got an email this morning saying it's delayed by a week which sucks balls

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson weak

@Wesley I got a gift

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Part of my 3 hour meeting this morning was going over your quote. We're dealing with our current datacentre move and DR implementation right now, but my boss has approved the 192Gb of RAM and will probably approve your server as well

I thought he would baulk at doing both but he wants to move on the RAM right now and do the server after the RAM

Wesley

@RyJones I don't quite know what that is?

Mark Henderson

@RyJones Step 1: Cut a hole in a box

Ry Jones

@Wesley very sparkly

Wesley

4:09 AM

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Q: How can I connect to my own email server?

I just started my own email server with hmailserver. I am running my email service on my own domain. I want to be able to connect to my email service with a client. Between CNAME, MX, and hmailserver smtp settings, can you please explain to me how to set up my domain and hmailserver to be able ...

emailserver

^ What on earth.

Mark Henderson

I don't even have the energy to moderate lately

Wesley

The monkeys are throwing poop again.

Mark Henderson

And it's fucking shit like that that drains what I do hve

Wesley

Kill it in the brain with chemicals.

Journeyman Geek

4:28 AM

blah

I need something other than outlook to open up and view a pst file

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek That's an interesting situation.

Journeyman Geek

annoyingly, my go to tool is for outlook express and wlm only

Ry Jones

media player coded in excel

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson alrighty

Wesley

There's a bazillion PST tools.

Most of which are probably chock full of viruses.

Journeyman Geek

4:37 AM

Yeah, that's an issue

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek Can you crack it open with a hex editor and look at the 1s and 0s?

Ry Jones

Seattle traffic this morning @Jacob @cole

Journeyman Geek

5:12 AM

@Wesley: tempting but no

Oh, bother. I MIGHT know something that works

Current version is not free, but reasonably priced for what it does, but I'll give the free, older version a shot first

MichelZ

5:27 AM

good morning

Journeyman Geek

6:04 AM

hm. Opened them up in outlook. Stuff I was looking for wasn't there

pauska

6:24 AM

G'morning

Iain

6:39 AM

G'day

It's a bit blowey out there

cobs.noc.ac.uk/cobs/met/hilbre/getimage.php?code=5&span=1

Jenny D

7:10 AM

morning

Chopper3

8:08 AM

mornin'

Falcon Momot

ugh, it is really hard to find a USB to mini centronics cable that supports ECP

Journeyman Geek

o0

mini centronics?

I have never heard of such a beast

Iain

> So, must I apt-get remove erlang in order to install rabbitmq-server? Is this safe? I am unfamiliar with what this erlang is.

s/what this erlang is/everything/

tombull89

oh god how do i do this i am not good with computer

@Chopper3 had an excellent game of Battlefield 4 rush last night, SRAW'd a full enemy little bird seconds into the game.

Chopper3

8:23 AM

@tombull89 oh that IS fun isn't it - I took down one kind of heli (can't recall what) with an RPG once and I leapt up shouting :)

Iain

@JourneymanGeek can you track this guy down and give him a good talking too please.

tombull89

@Chopper3 yeah, I also cheered...gutted I wasn't recording at the time :(

Chopper3

@tombull89 I have that shadowplay thing on my gpu's - it constantly records with almost no 'cost' - have a look, see if yours can do it

@tombull89 got to go to bloody Ipswich now :( see you later

tombull89

@Chopper3 AMD have the Raptr software which is more bloated and crappy than the catalyst control center D:

toodleoo

faker

yay, got a hotfix from Riverbed. Finally ready to migrate to our brand new /22. And now: packet loss to it.

Chopper3

8:26 AM

bye

Iain

There's no need to hugely downvote this but ::boggles::

pauska

Why would you run a dist-upgrade and not reboot the system? What's the point?

Dennis Nolte

@pauska service patches which are no longer supported on older versions

pauska

@DennisNolte what do you define as a "service patch"?

Dennis Nolte

8:53 AM

@pauska think f.e. squeeze and shellshock, either you manually patch bash or switch to squeeze-lts or dist-upgrade.

similiar to f.e. apache or tomcat or whatever service they are running

pauska

ok, so we are assuming that someone is running a server without Ubuntu LTS?

in a production workload

Dennis Nolte

@pauska you know how it works, LTS will be over some day too, and as long as "everything" works, there often is not enough time/money to upgrade.

@pauska if its just some "non-lts" well, they got it coming anyway :)

Iain

On SF if you assume everyone is not in productions and is really on their workstation it makes so much more sense of the WTF.

Dennis Nolte

@Iain do not spoil..

pauska

@DennisNolte LTS releases are supported for 5 years.. are you telling me that someone can't reboot their system once every 5 years?

cause any kind of critical or security update is handled through a regular upgrade, not dist-upgrade

so it still does not make any sense at all to run dist-upgrade without rebooting

Dennis Nolte

9:01 AM

hmm if i argued 5 years without rebooting you are right.
But(!) from all i think i said i was not.
Instead i tried to make a point that there might be situations where you are not yet able to reboot because of $reason, but need that "service update" for $another_reason right now.

maybe i am still unclear in expressing my thoughts correctly, or i am so fucked up already that i can't talk logic anymore.

Journeyman Geek

9:18 AM

@Iain Ow

Sad thing is most of the CS folk I've run into from there have been pretty competent.

Journeyman Geek

9:28 AM

@DennisNolte: Usually no, you'd set up a service window, and if you REALLY needed $new_shiny_version of software either run a backport, or put on your big boy pants and do it right.

ewwhite

9:49 AM

sorry... had to downvote that

Iain

What ?

ewwhite

@Iain The dist-upgrade question

Dan

Morning

ewwhite

10:22 AM

morn

tombull89

10:38 AM

nothing like a GIVE ME TEH CODEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! question

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Q: Ip tables issue

I have two linux servers - one is used as gateway and second is used as web server. Let's say gateway have a public yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy address and web server have internal xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx address. I need to set up a rule, which allow me to use that website - reroute the port 80 from gateway to inter...

iptables linux-networking

Cold T

SF desperately need a banner on users posting on freaking 5 year old post, getting pretty annoying -.-

cole

10:56 AM

good morning

pauska

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Q: vigor 2960 won't start after firmware upgrade

I tried to upgrade the firmware of a Vigor 2960 through their interface. Everything was working fine until the reboot. The upgrade was from 1.0.7.0 to 1.0.8.2. It rebooted for a while and now I can't see the router page even directly connected through LAN. It doesn't do anything. I tried this u...

lan vigor

300mbps fiber with PPPoE

shudder

Dan

Trying to work out how arsed I'm feeling about making a new NetScaler lab

Dennis Kaarsemaker

11:17 AM

Had to flex my C muscles today

Iain

woo hoo !

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Annoying git issue, where git keeps hanging when fetching over http. Turns out to be a bug in git

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker Nice work

Is git written in C?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

the core parts are

Dan

Ah

Dennis Kaarsemaker

11:19 AM

with a healthy dose of shellscript and perl

but this was all C

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker I never got on with Perl

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I've been forced to

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker It's been many years, I suppose being partially C-derived I ought to have a play, not that I need to

Dennis Kaarsemaker

it's a language not worth learning unless you have an actual need

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker Fuck it then

I find having a feel for C and a decent understanding of C# gets me as far as I ever need to go

Dennis Kaarsemaker

11:22 AM

when on windows, powershell is rapidly becoming a must

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker Oh, yeah - I don't really count that

Because agreed, it's just part of the background now

Michael Hampton

11:42 AM

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Q: Scripting command that can be executed on Macs to actually generate/remove (NOT SIMPLY BIND/UNBIND) those Macs as computer objects Active Directory?

I have searched the stacks fairly thoroughly to find a scripting language-based command that can help me develop a script to be executed on Macs capable of actually generating (NOT SIMPLY BINDING) those Macs as computer objects in Active Directory. I have found several excellent scripts that BIN...

active-directory mac

What on earth is going on here?

MichelZ

what?

mac, AD? binding?

fuck macs

Iain

@MichaelHampton in respect of ?

Michael Hampton

@Iain I'm not sure if he's doing it wrong or not.

I'm pretty sure he isn't very experienced though.

Iain

I looked at it earlier and gave up too - not really my field

pauska

I really have no idea what he's asking.. I also read the question and just closed it..

MichelZ

11:46 AM

yeah, closed it as well as unclear

Iain

anyway @MichaelHampton where are you hoping to get with meta.serverfault.com/questions/4146/should-we-have -a-general-reference-close-reason ?

Michael Hampton

@Iain More conversation for starters.. Eventually I want to split the minimal understanding close reason into two close reasons. One for go read the docs/ask the vendor/etc and another for you don't know what you're doing questions.

Iain

Wouldn't that require us loosing one of the others though?

Michael Hampton

Hm. Or maybe those are the same thing.

Not if I can get SE to turn on the extra close reasons.

Iain

How would that fit with the new CoC which requires pink-and-fluffyness and 'assume good faith' ?

Michael Hampton

11:52 AM

"Good faith" merely means assuming that the user is honestly asking a question and not trying to troll us. Not at all the same as a user asking an off topic or inappropriate question.

Iain

That's not quite how I understood it - If I can find jaydles comment I'll reread it

Michael Hampton

Sure, if "assume good faith" means something else then it should be made clear

Iain

We could try a Canonical Q&A along the lines of the Licensing or Capacity Planning.

Q: Why have I been sent here
A: Because the community feels that you need to spend some time with the documentation before attempting to continue.

I doubt it would fly at SE HQ though.

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MichelZ

i like that... designing our own close reasons

Michael Hampton

In the short term, I want to make the minimal understanding close reason clearer. Whether that ends up being one rewritten close reason, or two, or three linked to eleven meta posts.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD, GET RID OF POST AS GUEST

Iain

11:58 AM

I also think that

1. Banning people from SO from asking questions would be an overall positive
2. Requiring people to answer questions which are positively received before being able to continue asking questions would be useful. When all is said and done a real sysadmin should be able to contribute more than questions to SF

Falcon Momot

Assume good faith is not a bad thing at all; it merely means assuming that in posting things here, people are not being intentionally malicious.

they do it in wikipedia too.

Michael Hampton

"You must have 10 reputation on this site to ask a question."

Falcon Momot

there are a few basic questions we could stand to answer as well - from time to time, even I get stumped by a lack of, say, the magic words required to make ruby realize it has openssl on fedora (hint: not recompiling it)

MichelZ

or we should hand out fairydust

Michael Hampton

I don't think I've ever seen anyone being intentionally malicious. Except spammers, but that doesn't count.

Falcon Momot

12:01 PM

I think one of the things we hate more than anyone cares to admit is poor grasp of English ;)

@MichaelHampton how about that troll whose name I can't quite recall, who keeps running for moderator everywhere?

MichelZ

he-who-shall-not-be-named?

tombull89

@MichaelHampton they did at SO...they should here too.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot Yeah, I thought about that. But he asked a question not too long ago, and it wasn't horrible.

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton he's done that a few times only as a trap.

tombull89

that's so he doesn't get banned

Falcon Momot

12:03 PM

post as guest is evil for sure.

why the hell are we still burdened with it

Michael Hampton

Because SE wants participation to be "easy"

Hennes

Because not everyone has a disposable email address to register on a new site?

tombull89

yes, because signing up is hard.

Dan

@MichaelHampton Heh, there's a list of great reasons why you can't post anywhere on the Internet as a "guest"

Falcon Momot

yes, participation should be so easy you don't even have to put the slightest bit of effort into asking your question at all!

Hennes

12:04 PM

My name is John/Jane Smith. I was born on 1-1-1970...

Falcon Momot

registration with federated auth is certainly easier and faster than 10 minutes of research on your problem.

Dan

@FalconMomot I think we should have a joining panel - all new members have to come into the Comms room - if they're not in tears after 30 minutes then they get to post a question

Falcon Momot

ha

we would run out of crosses.

Iain

@MichaelHampton not necessarily but being able to continue to ask questions yes... your first question is free so to speak

Falcon Momot

then here's an idea...

what say we let you post more, if they get voted up, and not let you post more if they get voted down, closed, and deleted?

:P

Dan

12:06 PM

I have this diagram of how the SF signing up process should be - the top is the Internet (Or "cloud", if you will), the oval is the "Ask a question" button. I'll let you work out where SF Chat is yourselves

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