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Ry Jones

9:13 PM

shit, now I have Klaus Nomi's Simple Man stuck in my head

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Wesley

@RyJones Well I won't be sleeping for a week.

Ry Jones

@Wesley I just watched the documentary on him last night, sad video

ewwhite

9:32 PM

@freheit don't make me beg!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Just gonna put this comment thread here for posterity, and facepalm value.

Modify the source and recompile? — yoonix 11 mins ago

it's too difficult yoonix. I dont know how to do that. — amandanovaes 10 mins ago

Well, if you lack the ability to modify the source code and recompile... you shouldn't be asking how to modify the source code and recompile. You probably shouldn't do this anyway (it's a bad idea™), but you really shouldn't do this when you admit you don't know how. — HopelessN00b Genius of network 4 mins ago

I believe that maybe there is some command on php.ini that I could rename functions!!!! I NEVER ASKED TO RECOMPILE PHP! — amandanovaes 4 mins ago

@amandanovaes Yes, yes you did ask to recompile PHP. That you don't realize that this is what you're asking to do just makes your request that must more horrible, actually. — HopelessN00b Genius of network 3 mins ago

Ry Jones

she never asked that!

!!!!!!

her other questions show as much thought:

amandanovaes, Florianópolis , Santa Catarina

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HopelessN00b Genius of network

...and now that I've fractured my cheekbones from the unexpectedly violent force of today's facepalmings, I think I'm off to sleep.

Ry Jones

she has 123 rep on SO too

asking the same types of questions

tombull89

@RyJones "she"

Ry Jones

9:43 PM

I use the pronoun people represent themselves as.

cole

@RyJones :)

Wesley

This is why we can't have nice things, Netflix.

tombull89

wheesh. Sounds like I've missed a hell of a day...

Mark Henderson

@Wesley I'm notcing more and more things I want to watch aren't on Netflix

tombull89

you are so selfish. — user3517393 2 hours ago

aww :(

Wesley

9:46 PM

@tombull89 He doesn't like me. =(

@MarkHenderson I know. Pissing me off.

If it wasn't for Dexter and House I'd stop paying Netflix. Again.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Oh there's still plenty of things I do watch

Angela has like 4 different shows on the go

ewwhite

@Iain @freiheit Need bike advice.

freiheit

@ewwhite Yes, you should go for a bike ride

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Wow, fuck. The fail is thick tonight. I'm really going to sleep this time, I swear.

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Q: 100Base 2 Ethernet vs Token Ring

I have a question related to the comparison of Ethernet and Token-ring. There are 200 stations in a company. An 100Base-2 Ethernet connecting 100 stations, and a Token-ring operating at 60Mbps (also connecting 100 stations). These two LANs are tested. Which one of these two LAN's would have bette...

networking lan ethernet token

Ry Jones

@Wesley I found it on daily motion

ewwhite

9:51 PM

@freiheit I want something for riding around town

HopelessN00b Genius of network

That question what you get when a Java developer is combined with a networking textbook from 30 years ago, I think.

freiheit

@ewwhite And you're thinking custom Ti belt drive bike? ;)

ewwhite

@freiheit I'm trying to go the other direction... not too fancy

@freiheit Although, I was going to put these pedals on.

freiheit

@ewwhite Linus and Public both have attractive bikes that don't cost much and are fine for getting around on flat ground.

Michael Hampton

Since when did token ring get up to 60Mbits/sec?

Ry Jones

9:54 PM

HTH: amazon.com/review/R3VP6JI7TCF13U

ewwhite

@freiheit but I need it to be more specialer than a Linux or Pubic.

Ry Jones

I shouldn't have stopped at the first gin and tonic

ewwhite

@freiheit I want a singlespeed cyclocross-ish bike

made of steel... and not too pretty

freiheit

@ewwhite spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/?shopp_pid=41 is IGH cyclocross belt drive... ;)

ewwhite

too fancy... I also need lightweight

Jacob

9:58 PM

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Q: 100Base 2 Ethernet vs Token Ring

an 100Base-2 Ethernet connecting 100 stations, and a Token-ring operating at 60Mbps (also connecting 100 stations)are tested. Which one of these two LAN's will perform better? Thanks in advance!

networking token local lan area

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork ^^^^

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Token Ring wasn't all that bad

freiheit

@ewwhite You want lightweight steel and not too pretty?

Mark Henderson

It was a bit smarter than Ethernet at the time, where Ethernet just flooded the network and crossed its fingers that the data arrived (it often didn't and had to be re-sent) Token Ring at least had some sort of congestion control

ewwhite

@freiheit I was going to buy this.

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson My biggest beef with Token Ring was nurses would unplug baluns and fiddle with them bringing the whole god damn floor down

freiheit

10:01 PM

@ewwhite surlybikes.com/bikes/cross_check_ss or surlybikes.com/bikes/cross_check

Mark Henderson

@RyJones ... why would they do that?

freiheit

@ewwhite SyCip's local to me. Right across the street from my most commonly visited pub. Nice guy, too.

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I wouldn't know

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson they were bored? I don't know. We also seemed to have a cable get pinched every month or so, requiring surgery

ewwhite

@freiheit too heavy...

Wesley

10:02 PM

@MarkHenderson It had way better throughput on a given segment than ethernet, back in the day. Switched networking kinda put the smack down on that.

@ewwhite Your face is too heavy!

You'd be surprised at how light they are @ewwhite - oh wait, you're Mr. Carbon Fiber.

ewwhite

@freiheit I have a 2005 Soma DoubleCross frame... It's good. I used to race CX on it. But converting it to single speed is costly!

freiheit

@ewwhite Trek's Crossrip line sorta matches what you're talking about, but nothing SS.

Ry Jones

helpdesk lights up with a bunch of calls from admitting because shit's fucked, I'd waddle up there carrying the Network Unfucking Toolkit, and find some patient-to-be had twisted the cable off and let all the tokens out

ewwhite

@freiheit White Industries ENO hubset and a few components would bring me up to $600 to convert it properly.

and at that point, hmm, halfway to the cost of something different

Ry Jones

or better yet, the kids had wandered off and unplugged like a dozen of them, and all the PS/2s were down

ewwhite

10:04 PM

(I can't use tensioners...)

Ry Jones

I'm having flashbacks I need alcohol

Wesley

Everyone go read the comment thread on Hopeless's nomination post: superuser.com/election/3?tab=nomination Upvote as necessary. Remember, a vote for Hopeless is a vote for unilateral execution style discipline!

Mark Henderson

@Wesley My first ethernet network was a 10Base2 Coax network

Nothing like tracing down the BNC that wasn't crimped properly causing the whole thing to break

Wesley

@MarkHenderson And you say it's hard to believe that I'm not way older than you? Dude, I was playing Atari 2600 games while you were dicking with 2-base-T

@MarkHenderson Oh 10 base T, okay.

Well fine.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley You need to remember that the rest of the worl dwas running on gigabit switches when I got this 10Base2 network

Wesley

10:06 PM

@MarkHenderson Well I still have 100-base-T at my main client so yeah

Mark Henderson

(Ok not really, but 100BaseT certainly existed, and 10BaseT common)

Wesley

Two gigabit uplink ports though! Their two in-house servers run on them. Not that it matters much.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley I made the mistake of sending a client out to buy their own switch because I didn't have the time. He came back with a fully managed 100Mbit switch. I didn't know they still sold those. It was like $600

freiheit

@ewwhite Specialized AWOL is a steel semi-CX bike with a dropout that'll do SS (belt, even).

ewwhite

You know I have a certain bike style...

freiheit

10:11 PM

@MarkHenderson Or tracking down the stretch where somebody accidentally used TV coax instead of 10Base2 coax, so that the resistance is wrong and it passes some packets but gets a ton of errors...

ewwhite

@freiheit Interesting.

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Yeah, I gave my client the choice of a 100Mb Procurve for $450 or a Gigabit for a couple grand. They chose the $450 one.

This was back in 2008 I think.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley In 2008 I think that's an acceptable choice

I was on 100Mbit at home in 2008

Jacob

I'm still on 100mbit at home.

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Yeah, it didn't really make me facepalm then. I just wish I had pushed more for gigabit then because they were doing a little better and now the network speed is a little icky when doing backups and transferring across the wire.

ewwhite

10:14 PM

@freiheit urbanvelo.org/fyxation-quiver

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Ugh our production system backups are now taking 5 hours every night

Jacob

I need to buy a bike for campus...

Mark Henderson

I think the network is the bottleneck so I'm considering going 10GBE just so that the backups don't run into during production time

(which is about 3am to 11pm)

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Doing a full image backup on someone's laptop before they leave for a trip sometimes causes me to have to go through a familiar song and dance. "Plug your laptop into a network cable. I'll kick off the backup. Come back in one to four hours."

If there are two or three people leaving for a trip at once, yeahh... sucks.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Well a managed gig switch with 10g uplinks well under a thousand bucks now

If you want to dump the 10g uplinks they're only a few hundred

Wesley

10:15 PM

File level backups with delta commits are great, but it's nice to have a full image too just before someone steps on a plane.

@MarkHenderson Yeah, I'm looking at what ProCurve has these days and thinking I'll just jump ship to Cisco or Juniper.

ewwhite

@freiheit The Specialized AWOL Comp is about 24 pounds.

freiheit

@Jacob Get a basic fitness hybrid for ~$500. Trek 7.2FX, Specialized Globe Sirrus. Something like that. Get a U-lock and a cable lock. Or maybe two U-locks.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley How many ports?

Wesley

@MarkHenderson You know what it's like when you restore someone's PC, and triumphantly restore their files... then they say "Where's my desktop picture? And my icons changed. And I used to only single-click on foldesr... and... and!!"

So a combo of image backups and file backups is what I do.

@MarkHenderson 24

Mark Henderson

My latest Dell quotes:
Dell 2824 (managed, no uplinks) - $330/each
Dell 5524 (managed, 10G uplinks) - $848/each

Wesley

10:17 PM

@MarkHenderson wut

Wow, nice.

ewwhite

And remember, my HP ProCurve prices are good

Mark Henderson

@Wesley And they are $AU prices

Jacob

@freiheit I like the trek.

Wesley

@MarkHenderson And AUD!

That would be like a dollar twenty-five in USD. =P

Ergh, I need to spin up my own BIND server.

I need a docker node.

freiheit

@Jacob All the major bike manufacturers make something like that. The differences are tiny. Check out a few local non-chain bike shops. Go with the shop you get the best experience from, or that has the best deal. Don't pay too much attention to the brand.

Wesley

10:19 PM

I need an OpenNebula server

I need a bike.

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freiheit

@Jacob If you want way more info that says basically the same thing: thesweethome.com/reviews/best-hybrid-commuter-bike

Jacob

@freiheit I just liked the color, what about online?

Mark Henderson

The 5524 is a better buy. 40GB stacking bandwidth (via HDMI!) and a better device allaround

freiheit

@Jacob Do you know what size bike you need?

Jacob

@freiheit nope

freiheit

10:20 PM

@Jacob Do you know how to assemble a bike properly?

Mark Henderson

No wait yes it is the one with 10G uplinks

(sorry I have too much fucking switching information in my brain atm)

Jacob

@freiheit I read manuals. My dad has a degree in mechanical engineering. Am I qualified?

Wesley

@Jacob I have four hundred and ninety two books on bike mechanics. Pick one.

freiheit

@Jacob Probably close but not quite there. There's a lot to learn to get some of the minor adjustments just right. If you really want an online purchased bike to work out well, you pretty much need to take it to a local bike shop anyways. Twice, actually: once for them to double-check every bolt, and a second time after you've ridden the bike a bit to retension the wheels and cables.

@Jacob Seriously, though, unless the local shops suck a lot, go with a local bike shop.

Jacob

@freiheit I have to look one up honestly

Wesley

10:24 PM

@freiheit Nah, just buy a truing stand, a dishing tool, and a mechanic's stand, and a reamer/facer for your head tube, and a reamer/facer for your bottom bracket, and some grease, and some spanners, and a chain tool, and... yeah, you'll be on a bike before the sun goes nova!

Mark Henderson

Delll 8132F - 24x10G and either 2x40G uplinks or 8x 10G uplinks - $5,498.00

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Hardcore.

@MarkHenderson That's almost enough bandwidth for @ewwhite's porn sites!

Mark Henderson

That's if you like your switches to be as big as a server

Jacob

@MarkHenderson cos 10g right?

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I've always liked chassis switches, but never needed one.

Mark Henderson

10:25 PM

@Wesley Its not a chassis switch

Its a normal switch, but it's about 60cm deep

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Oh I see it now

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Mmmmmm 10G

I haven't had a 10G network since about 2010

freiheit

@Jacob contebikes.com/product/14cannondale-bad-boy-9-196260-1.htm

Jacob

Interesting, I assume it's pretty much a rebranded trek

freiheit

@Jacob bikebeatonline.com/about/…

@Jacob No, Cannondale is a fairly large brand, really.

@Jacob However, the simple reality is that all of the bikes you'd be shopping for are made in the same few bike frame factories in Taiwan and then have very similar parts from a few manufacturers slapped onto them.

@Jacob Or, in other words, Treks and Cannondales are probably pretty much just rebranded Giants.

Wesley

10:29 PM

@MarkHenderson I've got a friend who has a successful but small MSP here in town and he's pulling his hair out over his Gbit datacenter racks. Backups can't even run every night for his few dozen clients. He's desperately trying to forklift a 10G network in

freiheit

@Jacob this shop also looks worth checking out: fatfrogsbikes.com

Wesley

@freiheit Man you are into some kinky stuff.

Am I exceptionally cranky or should this have not been upvoted? serverfault.com/questions/590912/interpreting-hacker-footprints

And in fact downvoted into flames.

freiheit

@Wesley Nah, I know how to coil a cable right, man.

Wesley

Okay, so appliance manufacturer is saying that the device is attempting to resolve an IP address to the IPv6 record and somehow this is my fault. "Your firewall must be tunneling or something."

I'll take "go fuck yourself" for 600, Alex.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Yep must be a common problem

When your arrays can push 500MB/sec the 125MB/sec of gigabit is quite the pest

Our Veeam software talks directly to our Lefthand SAN which is nice, so it could back up at 4Gb/sec but that would fuck up our production systems to as to be basically unusable so they're capped to 100MB/sec

Wesley

10:47 PM

This... this is enraging.

Michael Hampton

I really think it's long past time to kill post-as-guest.

Falcon Momot

+1

what specifically brings this to light?

Michael Hampton

All the 1-rep unregistered users who keep posting crap questions, getting them closed, and then come back and post them again with a different name.

Wesley

@MichaelHampton So not only are you spiteful and abusive, you're also selfish!

Michael Hampton

And worse, when they try to use proxies to hide the fact.

Wesley

11:00 PM

serverfault.com/questions/590862/…

Michael Hampton

@Wesley I never touched that question.

Wesley

@MichaelHampton Clearly your quashing of guest posters implies that you are selfish and don't want to do people's jobs for them.

I like his last comment: "I just wanted the name of some hardware and software.Thats all. I should handle my school project tomorrow , and I should mentioned the list there"

Okay... uhhh... a Ricoh copier and Quatro Pro! There, that's some hardware and software. Aaaand... GO!

OKI ML320 and Visual FoxPro?

AND WHO IS HONKING THEIR HORN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD?!

I really need to hit someone.

Mark Henderson

OK Microsoft. What the fuck order is this shit in?

Sometimes I wonder if some things were ever beta tested or went through QA

It's not size order, it's not date order, it's not alpha order

Wesley

@MarkHenderson That's some stinky poopoo right there.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley I only have a 128GB drive and 700GB of backups

Wesley

11:14 PM

I've seen that I think. Always annoyed me.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Also, I think I should write a blog post about using iSCSI on low-level qnaps

And about why you will want to shoot yourself in the face if you do it

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Do it! BTW, I need to make a new login for you on my blog. I reinstalled wordpress and anyone who had an account but didn't have a post got their account deleted.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Fair enough

OH

News on that front

I won't need the blog post any more. I found a partner to work with for it.

Just as well cos I was never going to get around to finishing it

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Kewl. I knew you hated me. =(

Also, checkyer gmails.

Jacob

@Wesley :P

Jacob

11:41 PM

@freiheit bikebeatonline.com/product/trek-7.2-fx-173477-1.htm

freiheit

@Jacob And they have a location in Virginia Beach. You should go down there and see about getting a test ride (at least around the parking lot).

Jacob

@freiheit That's why I looked at them. Though location isn't that simple. We're a metro area of 7 cities, so being in the same city doesn't always matter.

But yes they are close and what not

Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson The RSA enVision SIEM has lots of drop downs for different device types. Apache HTTPD, Microsoft Windows, Cisco ASA, etc.

Jacob

@freiheit Though I'll most likely hold off on that for a month or two.

freiheit

@Jacob Yeah, well, I just glanced at your profile and went with that location for looking for shops that might be local to you.

Jacob

11:47 PM

@freiheit I understand :) just saying

Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson The drop downs are sorted by date added. Then within each added set they're sorted asciibetically.

freiheit

@Jacob Plus they look like a small local chain, so that improves the odds of one being near. :)

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack That... doesn't make sense

Jacob

I need to build up some funds for it, as well as confirm that the campus is bike friendly

freiheit

@Jacob Skateboards are more practical for getting around most campuses. Except for all the falling down, that is.

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Jacob

11:49 PM

@Wesley It could be that you keep plotting to murder him, and marry his wife. That may be part of it.

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Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson Oo! Best part. At one time they had "Alphabetic Sorting of Dropdown Lists" called out specifically as a roadmap item.

Jacob

@freiheit I can't ride a skateboard

nor can I learn

Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson It made it very annoying because the first 100 items, out of 500 or whatever, were sorted alphabetically. Then you'd have runs of 5-10 that were actually sorted. Twas annoying as fuck.

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack I found out the hard way that Windows stops sorting after n characters as well

Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson wut

Mark Henderson

11:51 PM

So for long messages they would all be jumbled at the end

@ScottPack I forget what it was, but for really long combos they were not sorted past like 60 chars

That was a while ago, so it might not be true any more

kce

Polling: AD Default Domain policy has been dorked around with, no DNS scavenging, DCs have not had Default Domain Policy applied, GPOs messy, OUs messy, improperly removed DCs (orphaned metadata), 25% AD computer/user objects stale

Scott Pack

"Known Issues: Sorting may be inconsistent beyond sufficiently long input sets. Roughly 60 bytes."

kce

sooo... easier to fix in place or migrate to new AD for a few hundred clients...?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob I knew there was a reason why I would never pick Wesley up from the airport if he visits here

It's because he will kill me, wear my skin, and drive my car back to my home and take my place

Wesley

@MarkHenderson We are early similar in size and build. I bet I could pull it off!

I'm about 15 pounds lighter than you now, so there would be plenty of room. Wouldn't have to stretch the skin out to make it fit.

Mark Henderson

11:55 PM

@Wesley And then there will be a scene like the super creepiest part of Face/Off where John Travolta, in Nicholas Cage's face, is all creepy around Nicholas Cage's daughter, except it seems as though it's Nicholas Cage being all creepy

That movie is confusing to explain who is doing what

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Haven't seen that movie, but now I want to.

searches netflix, but knows already that it probably isn't there

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Jacob

@Wesley How do you know what he weighs?

Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson Baby, I hate to see you go but I love to watch you leave.

Wesley

@Jacob Cuz we're friends?

We talk about life and things?