The Comms Room

Wesley

7:00 PM

@ChrisS 1 new from $9,999.00

voretaq7

@ewwhite I can actually see switching to Cat6, but not for "latency"

ewwhite

This is Portland.

Chris S

@Wesley For 1.5m of Cat5 cable

voretaq7

@ChrisS Hah, those reviews are better than the 55 gallon drum of L00B.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Grrrr.

Please stop abusing this site for free consulting services. That's not what we do. All three questions you've asked so far have been on the same topic of ~"how do I do email for a small company," and have all been downvoted and closed, but you somehow still seem to be missing the point. Visit this site's help center, see the asking questions help page and review the on-topic list before asking another question. — HopelessN00b Genius of network 42 secs ago

EEAA

7:04 PM

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I see he deleted one of his old (closed) questions.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@EEAA That was probably me just now, casting the terminal delete vote on it, actually.

EEAA

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Oh, right.

Chris S

@EEAA Probably trying to get around the auto-block for asking bad questions. People do it all the time, thinking deleted questions don't count against them still.

MichelZ

@ChrisS there's an auto block for that? +1!

Chris S

@MichelZ Yeah, I'm not 100% sure on the specific, but if your questions have a net vote of -8 or something like that then you'll be blocked from asking any more questions.

Jacob

7:07 PM

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Chris S

That page is slightly outdated, but if you're getting that error it really doesn't matter... You're a terrible person and should feel bad.

Nathan C

Hmmm... /usr/lib/vmware-vpx/jre/bin/keytool: No such file or directory that doesn't look good

there's no jre folder :(

EEAA

@NathanC Who really needs java anyway?!?

Chris S

@NathanC pwned-by-a-wild-markdown

@EEAA ~~Isn't it the 2nd or 3rd most popular programming language?~~ Yep #2, just barely behind C.

Wesley

@EEAA sips coffee I dunno, I can be pretty terrible before my second cup.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I whored out my consluting services to him.

Nathan C

7:12 PM

@EEAA vcenter wants it...need to generate the keystore for the vsphere web client

Magellan

@ChrisS More's the pity. It's certainly a steaming pile of crap.

Chris S

@Magellan Meh, Features-Quality-Timeframe <== It's here now, it works on a bazillion platforms, so something has to give.

Jacob

@EEAA Most universities use it as a teaching language these days.

Magellan

@ChrisS I challenge on you whether it really "works" or not.

MichelZ

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork what caveats? :D

Magellan

7:14 PM

It's work cheap fast and dirty. You end up bending over for the design choices you've made in the early days for years and years and years.

Chris S

@Magellan What do you want for a free Oracle product??

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@ChrisS "Your questions are horrible and you should feel horrible!"

Nathan C

VC_CFG_RESULT=101 annnnd i broke it

Magellan

@ChrisS But before that it was a Sun product. And they should've known better.

BigHomie

@EEAA The sad answer? everyone

@EEAA In reality? no one.

EEAA

7:15 PM

It grieves me that I need to keep a JRE around on a couple systems for Logstash and Elasticsearch.

That's about it, though.

BigHomie

Java is completely unnecessary. Period.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS How it usually works: Three strikes and you're OUT!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@MichelZ That it doesn't force them to change their passwords at a specific point in time, jus the next time they logon. That can be a significant caveat, for example, the users we have that have been logged on to their machine for months continuously.

MichelZ

Ah :)

ewwhite

So wait... Cat6 cables won't make my SAN faster?

MichelZ

7:16 PM

didn't think about that

Wesley

@EEAA That's my use-case as well. In fact, today was supposed to be "ELK day" until my email appliance started acting funny and the support crew for it started acting funnier (and by funnier I mean "more incompetent than I'm accustomed to")

HopelessN00b Genius of network

And yes, I'm one of the users with a multi-month logon session length. Reboots are for n00bs.

Wesley

@ewwhite Cat 6 cables make your SAN fast, yes, because the solid core in the cable means you can twirl the SAN over your head faster without worrying about snapping the line.

Jacob

@ewwhite Only if you use Monster branded cables, because they're worth the price.

Wesley

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork My firewall hasn't rebooted for almost a year. Is that bad?

HopelessN00b Genius of network

7:17 PM

@ewwhite Cat6 cables will only make your SAN faster if you use them to anchor your SAN to a truck, and then drive the truck down the freeway.

MichelZ

@Wesley if your affected by heartbleed... maybe yes :D

BigHomie

@TheCleaner thecoveringhouse.org/act/resources-2/…

Wesley

@MichelZ Nah.

ewwhite

This is a produce company with three on-staff IT guys, a CIO, an outside managed services firm, Office 365 and me.

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Might be... Found a -12 Q, OP only has the one Q and he's not blocked.

Wesley

7:18 PM

I only log into my firewall with telnet, so heartbleed doesn't affect me.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS I've seen lots of them.

ewwhite

And they're not listening to my recommendation.

MichelZ

@ewwhite in reality they only need YOU

Michael Hampton

One pathological case went from new user to Q-banned in an hour.

Wesley

@ewwhite Wow, so why do they pay you if they don't listen to a word you say about the most common sense things?

Not that you're complaining... I mean, I'd let someone pay me to ignore me.

MichelZ

7:19 PM

@Wesley good. have you got a monitor attached? not having one helps a lot as well!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Wesley Yes, that's bad. Your reboots should come more frequently, for security. That's whay all my servers are in reboot loops and always have uptimes of <60 seconds.

Wesley

@MichaelHampton That takes dedication.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork reboot -h 0 "Respeck mah Securi-tie"

ewwhite

Their CTO wants to turn it into a fancy IT department... But in reality, it's just a produce firm

Wesley

@ewwhite With cat5 cables on their SAN

MichelZ

@Wesley No... with fancy monster cables!

ewwhite

7:21 PM

Is cat5 cabling on the SAN bad?

BigHomie

KISS principle

KISS is an acronym for "Keep it simple, stupid" as a design principle noted by the U.S. Navy in 1960. Origin The acronym was reportedly coined by Kelly Johnson, lead engineer at the Lockheed Skunk Works (creators of the Lockheed U-2 and SR-71 Blackbird spy planes, among many others). While popular usage has translated it for decades as, 'Keep it simple, stupid', Johnson translated it as, 'Keep it simple stupid' (no comma), and this reading is still used by many authors. There was no implicit meaning that an engineer was stupid; just the opposite. The principle is best exemplified by th...

Wesley

@ewwhite Only if they're legit hitting performance limits because of it, sure. What's their throughput like?

voretaq7

@ewwhite cat5 in general these days is substandard

but if the SAN is only GigE it's adequate

Wesley

I mean, the museum I worked at years ago had 5-non-e for their SAN, but it was mid 2000s and a cable plant that was 5 years old. Then again, they didn't constantly hit GigE throughput limits.

Nathan C

I busted vcenter...go me :p

All because I wanted to install my own SSL certs :(

Wesley

7:22 PM

So yeah, it's fine if they're small-potatos, but only solid data can determine it. Do they have 4/10Gb switches and NICs?

ewwhite

It's hard to find non cat5e

Wesley

@ewwhite Exactly, I haven't seen non-e cable sold since like 2008

voretaq7

@Wesley @ewwhite I'm not sure it's even made anymore