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5:00 PM
@HopelessN00b Permissions on the GPO to block the child OU members? Not really well-versed in group policy things.
 
Dan
@HopelessN00b At the OU level, no, there's not - but you could use WMI filters (not recommended) or a Groups based deny (Or more selective apply)
Alternatively, apply an override to disable software restriction
Finally, apply the software restrictions policies further down the tree to remove inheritance altogether / create your OU at a higher level
Dirty hack would be to block inheritence on that OU and apply all other GPO's manually - I have to do this all the time on customer sites to stop shite GPO's hitting my stuff
 
@Dan yeah, I tried linking an inverse policy in the child OU, but did shit, I ended up with matching disallow and unrestricted rules, and the disallows have precedence. Blech. The Groups idea is a good one, though. I'll give that a go.
Basically just need an OU/group to temporarily put computers in for installing software, because it seems that every damned installer in the world runs afoul of our anti-ransomware SRPs. I'm a bit surprised that it's this... um ... convoluted to implement.
 
Dan
@HopelessN00b I'd just do a clean OU with block inheritence, tbh
Although you'll then get dicked with idiots click the "Enforce" option because they think it's enforcing the settings with the GPO for some reason
 
@Dan Yeah, but then they lose their site-specific settings, firewall exceptions slam shut, big pain in the ass, given that most of our users are at remote sites and dumb as house plants.
 
Dan
@HopelessN00b Ooh, I see, not like a build OU
In that case, skip the OU
Add a group called "Temporary Software Installation" or something and deny the SRP GPO for that group. Reboot the machine, job done :)
 
5:11 PM
I can't find a decent Q about this on the main... May as well post one, I suppose. Have a reasonable question in a sea of "how do I sync my code repository to India" and "my super-PC is borken" questions.
 
@MichelZ I thought so
I'm looking at it like "That's not...a service account"
 
Trying to troubleshoot our phone system...figures we'd get one where support is ...lacking.
At least without filing a detailed support ticket.
 
5:28 PM
That's what support contracts are for
Mornin all
 
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Q: Quest Migration Manager for Exchange, and custom Managed Folders - causing duplicates

mfinniSo, we're doing a big cross-forest Exchange (2010->2010) migration, using Quest. It is not working correctly for mailboxes that have custom Managed Folders, which my client uses instead of retention policies. Quest will bring over the "Managed Folders" hierarchy to the target mailbox, but not as...

Quest DIE DIE DIE DIE
 
DELL you mean
:)
 
@Magellan Yeah I know...it's just a weird issue. Phones outside the VOIP network can see the configuration server (as it's being routed by our firewall so people can access their control panels) and get calls and all that stuff ...except they can't view voicemail on the phone.
When they get voicemail, it takes over a day for the phone to recognize it
 
@HopelessN00b w:(
 
I'm leaning towards a port entry but I'm not sure...never a dull moment. :P
 
5:38 PM
@MichelZ Regardless
 
@mfinni What's wrong with Quest? They make good shit. It's the crappy admins and devs who rely on their tools as a crutch that need to die.
Oh, nevermind, I see. Maybe your client should use this opportunity to switch to retention policies? :)
Anyway, for @Dan to get some rep off of, if he wants it.
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Q: How do I block inheritance/application of single GPO?

HopelessN00bDue to the workload generated by recent ransomware outbreaks (Cryptolocker/Cryptowall/etc.), I was recently tasked with implementing Software Restriction policies to block program execution from temporary directories. This is generally working well enough, but we have a problem when we need to i...

 
Dan
@HopelessN00b Cheers :)
 
5:54 PM
Thanks much, sir. Punching up instructions and dumping the problem off to the helldesk team now. :)
 
you mean taking a dump on the helldesk?
 
@HopelessN00b Yes, that would be great, if we weren't planning on moving the corporate office (the bulk of the users with large mailboxes and "exempt from retention" custom managed folders) tomorrow.
If Quest can't work properly with known behavior of custom Managed Folders, then advertise that as a limitation and we can work around it. We're raising it as an issue now and they're saying "nope, designed behavior"
We spent a lot of money on Quest so that we would have less headaches during this divestiture
 
@mfinni yeah, as if vendors advertise deficiencies of a product :)
 
@mfinni Sounds like you need a manager to say "nope, stopping payment!"
Not generally a fan of managers, but I've found that vendors generally fix their shit fast when a manager says that.
 
6:12 PM
@HopelessN00b That's pretty much next steps
 
now iOS and Windows are the same
8.1
is the next iOS now 10 as well?
 
No, 11. It has to be one higher
Also, 11 looks more symmetrical. Which should appeal to Apple fans.
 
or they try iOS X
 
@MichelZ iXi
Many machines on Ix. New machines
 
@tombull89 needs more buzzwords, but the MICROSOFT (HEART) LINUX slide is nice
 
I read hyperscale and just noped back out
 
wonder what nanoscale is. sixteen bytes of ram and a k of disk? 1/4 iops?
 
"Java on Azure is officially supported by Oracle, "the only public cloud they support"" -- oh that changes EVERYTHING!!1
 
6:46 PM
Until they start their own public cloud.
 
why do they need to support a cloud anyway? They release a JDK for a set of OS' which they support.
It shouldn't matter which hardware they run on
pure PR BS
 
@faker Officially, the only VM platform they support is their own. Because you might conceivably come up with some problem that comes down to something virtualization-related... (however, my Oracle DBs on VMware guests are all fine...)
 
Interesting interview
 
@freiheit If you use their VM platform they'll actually give you a break on Oracle DB licensing. Which is about its only compelling feature.
And it's just a layer on KVM anyway.
 
@MichaelHampton We have a systemwide-negotiated site license...
The site license of pain, misery and suffering...
 
6:55 PM
All the Oracle you can eat?
 
@MichaelHampton Well, not every software product they have, but all the DB stuff and a bunch of other stuff... And, yeah, within that, all you can choke on.
 
Yeah, choke on sounds right.
 
@faker Isn't Java supposed to be compile-once-run-everywhere anyway? Or have they admitted that's a load of shit yet?
 
I could use a sanity check here... Would it make sense to tell a customer that their environment is too jacked-up (broken) to work on?
 
Depends on how much they're offering, but sure. I've noticed that cheap and jacked-up seem to go hand-in-hand a lot.
 
7:03 PM
@ewwhite "I cannot support your current configuration as it is too far outside of best practices."
 
Context:
Oct 17 at 16:14, by ewwhite
From client BOSS: Ed, MOST of these issues are on ME …We love you, think your doing a great job. I am trying to get MY staff to become proficient on our systems and NOT rely so much on outside help. Nick does great work, you do great work, etc … My people would NEVER learn about our systems if we just contract all the work out, so this is why we are having so many “after the fact” questions coming you way.
Oct 17 at 16:14, by ewwhite
They have instructions to perform the work themselves so THEY LEARN by doing and fixing and ooops that did not work, etc ….. If we just hire you to do all the work, they LOSE the hands on learning. Thanks for you understanding and for helping us AFTER the fact
 
Keep upping your rates for after-the-fact shit until they either stop fucking things up, or find someone else?
 
But the damage is done... a bad Active Directory name, non-functional DNS, no control of their own firewall or networking equipment (outside network admin) and other craziness.
 
@HopelessN00b agreed
@ewwhite fire your client
 
I think there's a step between receiving the above message and firing them
I'm trying to determine what it should be
 
7:05 PM
@ewwhite Ugh, yeah. $5,000 just to look, $1,000 an hour to... rebuild ... um, everything.
 
@RyJones Or make a shit ton of money off of them. =) I'm more fine now than ever letting clients fire me over money
@ewwhite Money.
 
Just jack the billing time up?
I want to kinda suggest a refactor/rebuild of what's there
but I feel like the customer also needs to be set straight because letting people just mess shit up isn't a good way to develop them
 
why do you want to do this?
is it the paycheck or not?
 
@ewwhite Maybe cataloging/explaining why it's not possible to unfuck their shit after the fact? Although, sounds like that'd take some time too... I'd be happy to just leave it at "You've architected your environment into a colossal cluster fuck, and it's not salvageable. You need to either pay me to set it up again, properly, or find someone else who's willing to deal with this quagmire."
 
@RyJones because they asked me to bid on a VMware/SAN/AD/Exchange/new PC infra project
then rejected me because it was "too cheap"
my bid was 50% of their employee's design.
so I lost out on a BIG project...
 
7:09 PM
@ewwhite Sounds like you could/should throw in a "rebuild everything" line item to become massively more expensive.... since that seems to be what they want. Fits nicely with what they need, which is a new everything anyway.
 
they did their own thing... and are asking for help to fix all the stuff they didn't think about or know about
 
@ewwhite move on, you don't need them
 
@RyJones well, I DO support their Linux servers. (runs the same DB as the produce sites), so there's that.
but I'll call and explain how messed up their other stuff is
 
@ewwhite Sounds like the way to go. "Sorry, the stuff you set up yourself is too jacked up for me to untangle."
 
@ewwhite I would say that since your rates are already high-ish (not in a bad way), if all of this un-jacking is billed at normal rates, and normal off-hours rates, they'll see a meaty 5 figure bill and say "WAT"
 
7:14 PM
@Wesley they'll just pay. (which is not a problem... just frustrating)
 
@ewwhite That's jank as hell.
 
an example... they asked me to rebuild their old prod Linux server into a dev server
 
@ewwhite Well... okay. =/ Is the money enough to make you happy with the situation?
 
the Devs were antsy to get on it... and realized that the server was off (I'm writing its kickstart now)
 
I mean, if I could make $10k a week off of someone being a screw up, I'd be pretty okay with it.
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7:15 PM
so they powered it on and started using it
 
I'm a greedy little boy.
=)
@ewwhite That's awful.
 
@Wesley Right, this. Why not just take the money? I sure would.
 
So I powered the server off...
and they powered it on again.
so I just erased it
 
@ewwhite "Oh, damn, they wrecked all the everythings! Now I'll have to bill another 10 hours. Cha-ching!"
 
@ewwhite The technology equivalent of a nuke :p
 
7:16 PM
I'm sometimes honest!
 
@HopelessN00b The only possible downside I could think of is if 1) There's more money to be made in longer term, easier, and less heartburn inducing contracts, and 2) If I'm just not being professionally developed or challenged to be a marketable pro in the long term. $10k a week is great, but if it's dealing with NT 3.51 until 2020, then I'm kinda screwed out of a job.
@ewwhite I love that. =D
 
@Wesley you're totally right
the first time I did an install for this place, they videotaped me doing the server install
(yes, videotape)
 
@ewwhite FFS
That's horrible.
 
@Wesley Take the short-term paydays -> invest wisely -> financial independence -> who needs an effing job?
 
blegh, digium phones are annoying sometimes
 
7:19 PM
@NathanC really? Why?
I liked Digium
 
@ewwhite Having trouble with phones that are outside the config server's subnet
 
@HopelessN00b I dunno, I like working. I like working in IT.
 
no tftp?
 
Everything works except voicemail retrieval via the phone interface
 
If I was independently wealthy I'd still do sysadmin stuff.
 
7:20 PM
oh, so a software issue
 
just spits back a "500" error
I feel like it's a simple port config (the server is routed via our firewall), but I have no idea.
 
@Wesley I do too... but I bet I'd like it a lot more if I was rich enough to say "fuck this place and all your crazy dumbassery. I'm out, fix it yourself."
 
But, it's technically not my problem since it was our contractor that sold us the equipment, soooooo....
 
@HopelessN00b it's a weird sense of power.
 
@ewwhite That too... honestly, though, I'm more about the... well, eliminating the "what it pays" component makes the world look very different. I'd love to be able to hack away at shit I find interesting, rather than what some idiot sociopath in a suit think is economically useful.
 
7:25 PM
@HopelessN00b maybe you should go on your own... or with a super small firm
ownership and accountability.
These fuckers rebooted the server while it was installing CentOS.
 
@ewwhite Like, just now??
 
yes
 
Oh man.
 
so fire them
 
Just think, you're making $3.50 every minute. Now smile.
:D
Or yeah, fire them.
 
7:29 PM
@ewwhite how long does that take to install CentOS ?
 
they're actively frustrating your efforts to do work.
 
@Iain since I have no access, I'm VPNed to my RDP jump server at my datacenter, then running an SSH tunnel through Putty to the client's site and the ILO of the server I'm rebuilding. They don't have DHCP and they don't know their switch/firewall passwords to allow me proper access.
and the network guy is in Eastern Europe...
 
kce
Hi friends!
 
@Iain net install from a minimal .ISO on another local server... should take 35 minutes
@kce hello!
 
@ewwhite I recently had to setup install from grub - I prefer it now to oob installs
 
7:33 PM
@Iain How do you do it? It assumes Grub is already present, right?
I just erased this server
 
kce
How goes the battle? Your clients rebooting your server while you're using it?
 
while I'm building it
 
kce
Lovely. Hopefully you are getting paid hourly
 
I just leave the clock running while I go to lunch/dentist/walk-the-dog/poop
 
@ewwhite yeah, it's to allow something to be installed to a known base config but it does require that you can boot to grub already
 
7:37 PM
@Iain so probably good for reinstalls?
 
@ewwhite very
 
I'll play with it. Always nice to have options.
like I'm still rebuilding servers for @JoelESalas - so maybe I'll do grub for the next one
 
kce
Recommendations for books about "managing" your manager?
 
@kce oooh, what's the story?
 
@ewwhite Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards that. Then, I see what you put up with, and think that I'd end up in prison quick if I traded my headaches for your headaches.
 
kce
7:41 PM
@ewwhite Nothing really. I just have a "passive" supervisor. I'm just trying to up my soft skills.
 
@kce my only advice...
Make people think that they come up with ideas...
gently suggest things in a manner and reinforce it with "good thought" or "excellent approach"...
for a passive supervisor, maybe they have some confidence issues...
 
kce
I've tried that but maybe I'm providing to many options.
 
Oh, go in knowing what you want them to go with.
 
kce
Probably more effective.
 
For passive managers decide what you want and present that or even say I'll do x unless you have any objections
 
kce
7:44 PM
@Iain I need stuff and do not have purchasing authority.
 
@kce what type of stuff?
and do you know how the $ process works there?
 
@kce So... "I need you to purchase X for me so I can Y."
 
... it costs z and here are quotes
 
kce
@HopelessN00b, @Iain He likes to spec out the hardware so I can't just send 'em a quote.
 
kce
7:46 PM
I'll go with @ewwhite's suggestion and either wait for something or for something to break.
 
we're at a point where we need $8,000 for a new splined-rotisserator... If this is not replaced, the impact to operations will be X (and if you can express in terms of cost to business, $Y)
 
@ewwhite Thus, suck it.
 
Reticulating Splines
 
@kce Ugh. Sounds passive, and simultaneously micro-management-y. That sucks.
 
kce
@HopelessN00b I think he just likes hardware.
@ewwhite A bit more refined and direct that my attempts. I'll rephrase and try again.
 
7:48 PM
@kce So? I like women... doesn't mean I involve myself in every female hire we do around here. =D
 
People luuuurv hardware and playing LEGO with components.
 
kce
@HopelessN00bThat's not what I heard...
 
@ChrisS he counts better than /b/
 
kce
and some of the younger male interns as well, especially the water polo players.
 
If he likes hardware, that's easy.. let him play with it after you spec it and get what you need ordered.
 
7:52 PM
I should probably learn the difference between domain local, global and universal. Maybe @MichaelHampton knows.
 
kce
@ewwhite It's actually pretty simple:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/884417
Also - I thought you were a Linux Admin?
 
@ewwhite Windows? I know FORMAT C:
 
@kce I'm on my fourth Exchange deployment in a month...
2 days ago, by ewwhite
I used to be a Linux admin, didn't I?
 
kce
@ewwhite Wow. Anyway to summarize, it's basically the visibility of the object in domain, trusted domains or anything in the forest.
I think.
 
MDMarra created most of these as domain local
(file share security groups)
 
7:55 PM
@ewwhite Meh. Rarely matters, especially for orgs with a simple, single forest/domain setup.
> If you plan to use one domain for all your servers and no Wide Area Network (WAN) exists, we recommend that you use domain local groups. For a local domain, the global catalog is not used.
 
hmm
 
Not like it generally matters, but that's probably why Mark did as he did.
 
And now I'm in the DFS management window... building skillz
 
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! DFS is not a skill you want to build. It's almost as bad as printers, man.
 
This place has 122 printers.
 
7:58 PM
(I exaggerate a little. DFS namespaces are fine, DFS replication is ... just hell.)
 
oh, just using the namespace
I'd like to know more about the replication, though
 
@ewwhite Not as full-featured or reliable as you want when it works, and a major pain in the ass when it doesn't (which seems to be most of the time).
 
kce
STOP! Lunch Time! (da na na nah, nah na, nah na!)
 
that's silly
 
8:05 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker HASHTAG BIG BOOTY WHOOTY
 
@Wesley #twurktle
 
@ewwhite Oh yeah? Well @DennisKaarsemaker's face is silly.
 
Little did they know the turtle was trying to get out from under the stream to save his life
wonder who @cole is beating up today
 
I am doing so many evil, evil things with grep today.
 
@Wesley you're killing Jews with shell tools again?
 
8:06 PM
Grep, statistical analysis for dickweeds.
 
@RyJones que?
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Nothing I had considered typing in response was something I wanted a permanent public record of. :P
 
@cole wondering which of your clients you're beating mercilessly today
 
@RyJones I don't have clients to beat unfortunately.
 
@Wesley chat has a delete function...
 
8:08 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker I'm still paranoid.
Also, mods can see.
CAN'T CHAT NOW, MODS WILL EAT ME.
 
Cannot figure out why I can't do a zone transfer of the top level domain to a secondary zone on a Windows server. Works for corp.company.com though. wat
It's really frustrating.
 
Client: You didn't wipe the old server yet, did you? We need a file from it.
On October 8 - hey [developers] are you guys OK and ready for Ed to WIPE OUT the old production server and reload it fresh ??? Speak now or forever hold your peace !!!!
 
@ewwhite "ewwhite, now offering file recovery services, starting at $1/byte."
 
@ewwhite oops
 
8:25 PM
@ewwhite I can recover their file for them for 10 cents per bit, provided they don't care about the order of the bits. :)
 
post-mortem time...
 
Both Yahoo and AOL are in maximize-investor-value-by-liquidating territory, and have been... well, since the 90's.
 
AOL's dialup service is still profitable.
 
I fucking hate networking.
 
8:34 PM
Why's that ?
 
@RyJones Seems like they'd be able to make more money by selling their copper for scrap, though.
 
@Iain Collision domains and Cisco IOS annoy me. There are a few things i don't give a shit about and networking (above the basic fundamentals) is 1
acutally
fuck Cisco IOS mostly
 
9:09 PM
@mossy The more I use IOS the more I like it
3 years ago I'd never touched a Cisco device, now I have a small collection
A bunch of ASAs and a few ISR routers
 
Does anyone happen to know where the Hyper-V MMC stores the list of servers it autoloads?
 
@ChrisS How to count to 11. Add windows ME
 
9:35 PM
@MarkHenderson BITE
Dude, just...
...no.
 
@Wesley nom
 
@Wesley Fuck that noise.
 
@MarkHenderson Still running?
 
@Wesley Just started again this week
 
9:52 PM
@MarkHenderson Nice! I'll pretend I was your inspiration.
 
You kinda were
I saw what you wrote on the twitter
And then I was like "I should really start again"
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I'm happier now that I accepted I can't run a 21 minute 5k yet.
So I'm just going for endurance.
My stamina is awful.
I have this weird thing where I look way fitter than I am.
People always ask "Hey, you been working out?" and I really haven't been.
So I can barely run 5MPH for 10 minutes straight.
 
Just saw the best film I've seen for years - "Nightcrawler" with Jake Gyllenhaal, absolutely the creepiest, most tense thing I've seen for years - properly breathtaking - really can't recommend it high enough.
 
10:09 PM
hey
so.. accounting has decided to be douchenozzles, and I now need to track my time precisely and bill it to departments...
 
@Chopper3 Noted. I need a good movie to see these days.
@MattBear Sucks.
 
@MattBear I have some tips for that.
 
@ewwhite Just the tips?
 
they arent going to happy when they get billed for the time I spend tracking my time
 
@Wesley Honestly the most tense and creepy thing I've seen for years, breathtaking in parts
 
10:10 PM
and meetings about tracking time
@ewwhite yeah?
 
@MattBear I use a multiple time-tracker
an entry per client/project
 
@ewwhite the problem really comes down to, how do I bill time for working on a server that hosts sites for multiple departments
 
and it's really not that bad if you have have multiple clocks.
If it's a shared resource, I bill ALL THE FUCKERS!!
 
@ewwhite what software is that?
and I'm seriously going to bill accounting for the time spent doing this haha
 
It's a little jank, but it's called Inertak (Inertron)
and when i was forced to bill and track time at work, I tracked the time it took to track time
 
10:15 PM
@ewwhite I found it :p
how do I bill the time I spend looking it funny cat gifs?
 
@MattBear So are you a contractor, or do you work internally as an employee but each department bills each other department?
 
@Wesley internally
 
@MattBear Lame.
 
contractor would make sense
 
@MattBear "2 hours - internet webfilter content research"
 
10:16 PM
@MattBear So does it have an bearing on how much you get paid?
 
@Wesley no
 
@MattBear LAME.
 
@ewwhite rofl
 
@ewwhite Testing content filtering rules. Intrusion detection. Security.
 
"depositing to the spank-bank"
the usual
 
10:19 PM
Furious masturbation. $205 / hr
 
"Researching the propagation of embedded malware in remote webservers"
@Wesley I got $205, I wanna see you furiously masturbate for 1 hour
but you must furiously masturbate for the entire time
 
@MattBear Ripped forearms, brah.
 
despite the chafing and bleeding
 
@MattBear 55 gallon drum of lube, bray.
 
@Wesley lube? pussy
dry dock it, that's the real mans way
 
10:28 PM
I am always surprised at how many people choose to use a product that they know zero about, and then want free consulting to dig themselves out of the hole they got themselves in.
"Well we're paying XYZ amount of monthly money for your hosted service, you should teach us how to computer!"
 
@MattBear I just envision raw skin and bleeding...
 
@Wesley sounds like my work lol
 
@cole It's ridiculous.
 
@Wesley I live it
So, I found out today we're getting an additional headcount in 2015.
 
At least we get paid for it.
@cole ...by the time you leave. :P
 
10:33 PM
lolol
Have fun filling TWO positions
 
10:51 PM
@cole The lols you could get working here...
 
?
 
@cole So many things we discover working with clients are hilarious.
 
@ewwhite hence my willingness to pay :p but why are you envisioning @Wesley's bloody penis...
 
@cole I'll trade.
 
11:18 PM
@Wesley Makes a lot more sense when you put in the context of all the other stupid, shitty things people do, though.
 
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