The Comms Room

Mark Henderson

2:08 AM

@ChrisS Quite a bit of competitive advantages there... but are you telling me they sold 1.5TH/s systems for $50k?

I knew I should have been an electrical engineer

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Yes. All of them.

Mark Henderson

Geezus

Adrian

@MarkHenderson EEs are a dime a dozen here. I quite literally know a half-dozen EEs that are out of work.

Mark Henderson

Who even has $50k to spend on mining?

@Adrian They should get together and build bitcoin mining machines then

If one of them has FPGA or ASIC experience... although if you have that experience I doubt you'd be out of work

Adrian

@MarkHenderson Pretty much. And the technical schools here look great on paper, but most of them are teaching 10-15 year old technologies that are just becoming obsolete as you graduate.

Mark Henderson

2:12 AM

@Adrian I went to a university like that. Our teachers were literally showing us how to set IRQ jumpers on ISA network cards. I told the lecturer as much, and she was actually going to let me and my friend write a lecture and teach the class for a day, but the department head wouldn't allow it because we're not qualified

Adrian

I know IT people are here that are 30 and unemployed because their skills are too far out of date. Schools were teaching old mini/mainfrane stuff from the late 80s/early 90s even after Java changed the entire industry.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian The school I went to didn't even introduce a C or C++ class until 1993.

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Best guess, they're related to investment bankers, hedging their bets in the BitCoin markets. You can already buy derivatives on Wall Street.

Mark Henderson

@Adrian Here if you have a mainframe they are hiring people straight out of highschool or undergrads and teaching them the mainframe ropes themselves. I know one of our biggest banks was patting itself on the back because it has 30 COBOL developers and mainframe support staff that they trained themselves over 5 years

It now means that those 30 people can never work anywhere else because they have no real world skills

@ChrisS I wondered if that would be happening

I think they're wasting their money, but $50k for them probably isn't much to test the waters

Adrian

@MarkHenderson Yeah, nobody trains anyone nowadays. I'm having quite a time finding work myself. Not enough big infrastructure & big data experience.

Chris S

2:15 AM

Time will tell. But virtual currencies are the distant future if the world remains relatively stable.

Michael Hampton

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Q: Reinstall mysql and keep mysql data

In Debian, /root/bin folder was deleted. The biggest problem is that mysql is missing. When I type: > mysql -bash: mysql: command not found I have all data in /var/lib/mysql. How do I install mysql back without harming my data?

WTF?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton We got basic C++, CIN, COUT, but nothing about classes. I was paired to do an assignment with a really really really hot chick who was only in the class until she could transfer to business. Somehow I thought my C++ skills would let me tittyfuck her. Spoiler alert: It didn't

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Chris S

All being smart will get you is into the "friend zone"

Adrian

@ChrisS Amen to that. Gotta ride a motorcycle, play guitar, etc. if you wanna get anywhere.

Chris S

From a certain perspective that isn't all bad... but not what most guys are looking for.

Michael Hampton

2:18 AM

@MarkHenderson I looked outside of class for getting laid...

Chris S

Just read a study recently:
1. Body - work out
2. beauty/looks
3. Dress well
4. Car/possessions
5. Personality/Bada**ness (guitar, etc)
6. Provider ("smarts" doesn't even get a category, it's just a contributor to the least valued category)

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Friend zone is bullshit. Just because you're nice to a woman does not automatically means she has an obligation to fuck you. I find it sad that we seem to think that these days

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson FPGA work... still a hot field.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

I know it's all in jest, but some people buy it

@MichaelHampton Yeah, well I just hedged my bets on anyone with a pulse

Journeyman Geek

2:20 AM

I was doing an assignment with this seriously hot burmese girl. Poor dear flunked out despite my best efforts :/

Chris S

@MarkHenderson I never thought it was an obligation. But I used to be under the mistaken impression that being in the right place at the right time might lead to something. It does not.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Haha being married, the "right place" is the bed, and the "right time" is "never"

Journeyman Geek

(like girrrl you're hot, work it and ask for help!)

granted, I'd help anyway ;p

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Undo top button, pull bra up, lean over prof's desk... Sir, I don't understand these matricies. Can you... tutor me after class?

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: skip all the rest... just "I'm having trouble with databases, could you help me with my assignment"

Mark Henderson

2:22 AM

Joke's on her when you turn up after class with a textbook and a whiteboard marker and teach her how to multiply a matrix

Journeyman Geek

Would have saved me rewriting her part of a group assignment ;p

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek "What's a column? What's an index?" Actuall "Whats an index" i've heard from many developers

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: she copypasted from wikipedia.

Falcon Momot

@MarkHenderson I used to work for a software developer who, in the flagship product, had a policy prohibiting foreign key constraints

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot We... we have that too

Falcon Momot

2:24 AM

ickkkkkk

why

Journeyman Geek

I bullshitted out her part by skimming through google scholar ;p

Mark Henderson

But it's usually because we need to insert data back to front

Falcon Momot

hmm

you can usually architect around that

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Because copypasta from scholar is so much more moral than copypasta from wikipedia :P

Falcon Momot

the reasoning in this case was like... performance

Journeyman Geek

2:25 AM

@FalconMomot: her english skills suck, and I have no idea what an IT diploma is in myanmar, but whatever she paid, she paid too much

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot Oh, hah no we don't have the rule for that reason

Falcon Momot

and, depending on who you asked, so that queries would fail less often (nevermind that the ones that fail are the ones that would corrupt the data)

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: I'm a paraphrasing wizkid

Falcon Momot

I was like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot We're in a fairly rigid environment here, we don't have a lot of flexibility to work around things like that

Falcon Momot

2:25 AM

and they were like fuu support guy stop reading my code

Mark Henderson

And I mean technical flexibility, not policy flexibility

Falcon Momot

yeah, that sucks

Journeyman Geek

While I totally hate turnitin, its rarely a problem

Falcon Momot

@MarkHenderson I think I'd quit your company

Journeyman Geek

other than the time I submitted last term's assignment cause the name looked the same

Mark Henderson

2:26 AM

@FalconMomot haha well ours isn't that bad. We very rarely get data integrity problems and if we do its because someone forgot to mark an index as PK

Falcon Momot

my company is driving me completely mad currently, but for completely different reasons

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot That's fine, we're only a small company and the work we do is not for everyone

Falcon Momot

100% WFH is painful

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: I'm a firm believer in cheating intelligently, and automating stuff, as long as you understand the theory ;p

it gets me through stuff people fail :)

Mark Henderson

If you play within our rules you have basically have 100% autonomy and do whatever you like however you like

Falcon Momot

2:27 AM

yeah, that part is not bad

there is a reason I'm not a developer

Mark Henderson

We mostly do very boring business-logic based software, like workflow management

Falcon Momot

or IT staff at a giant ITIL shop

unfortunately I'm currently effectively a developer (on some awesome software, but still, developer).

Joel E Salas

Does anyone have spare capacity for Discourse?

I don't think I have the RAMs

Falcon Momot

Discourse on what? ;P

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Link to requiremnets?

Joel E Salas

2:29 AM

@MarkHenderson github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/master/docs/…

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: the forum software Jeff Atwood wrote

Joel E Salas

between postgres and ruby I think it'll need at least a gig to run decently

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek it was a bad pun. I know what it is.

Journeyman Geek

XD

my bad

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Que?

Mark Henderson

2:38 AM

@JoelESalas What do you want? An empty Ubuntu machine with a gig of RAM?

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson CentOS please :)

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas I don't think I have a CentOS template

Let me check

Which version?

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson 6.4 please, if it's not too much trouble

Mark Henderson

Well I need to check what capacity we have on staging

It'll be slow

Joel E Salas

if it'll take you more than 5-10 minutes to get it going then ubuntu is fine, i guess

Scott Pack

2:40 AM

Who, besides my gram-gram, uses Ubuntu these days?

Mark Henderson

With pretty limited bandwidth - maybe 1mbps

Joel E Salas

@ScottPack My gram-gram does too! :D

@MarkHenderson It might be a bit gnarly to get packages installed but that should be sufficient to host the site

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack Your grandmother is a developer?

Scott Pack

@JoelESalas I was actually joking. I think my gram-gram's eMachine finally bit the dust.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas 40Gb enough?

Scott Pack

2:42 AM

@MichaelHampton No. I was just referring to the fact that Ubuntu is really best suited for people who don't know how to use computers but want to use Facebook.

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Yes I believe so

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack Like developers.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas CentOS 6.3 x86 I have

I don't have a 64-bit image

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson I think we'll want x86_64 for anything production or DB-related

Shane Madden

People still have 32-bit servers?

Scott Pack

2:45 AM

Wow. I had to do all kinds of black magic to be able to support x86 el6 here.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas This isn't for production, is it? :P

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden A good chunk of my fleet of snort sensors are still 32-bit.

Mark Henderson

Because this VM isn't going into any availability groups

Ok ok fine I'll see if I have a 64-bit ISO ;P

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Thank you!

berb

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Any particular reason?

Mark Henderson

2:46 AM

Waiiit haha I didn't read the whole image name, it's x86_64

Who does that? Who puts x86 on the beginning of hte image name

Chris S

@ShaneMadden I'm working on a 32-bit router right now.

Shane Madden

@MarkHenderson Well it is still x86, technically.

Mark Henderson

At least Microsoft just insult the size of my penis by labelling their 32-bit images as 386

(I'd like to see Windows 7 on a 386)

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden Because my funding for that project only covered the Intel Pro 1000GT monitoring cards.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Ahh.

Chris S

2:48 AM

@MarkHenderson Win6.0+ wont run on any less than 80686 architecture.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Then they should update their image names

Chris S

@MarkHenderson They only differentiate major architecture, not minor.... Not my call

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden For a time Housing supplied a computer in every dorm room and IT managed them. When that got phased out we had thousands of computers in a storeroom on their way to surplus. A big mix of Gateway E2000, 2400, 4100, and 2500S.

@ShaneMadden Almost none of which are x86_64. :/

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Gimmie a few minutes and I'll email you the details

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Excellent.

Scott Pack

2:53 AM

@ShaneMadden On the plus side I got my automation to the point that the system largely runs itself and it's easier (even if takes a little longer) to reprovision a box than it is to change the hostname or IP. Also easier to replace and scrap than diagnose and repair problems.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas You'll have to give me the URL you plan on running it on so I can let it through the application firewall

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson robokitten.pw

Mark Henderson

And you're definately not running this for production, yeah?

Chris S

lol

Mark Henderson

If you want to take it to production I'll create an OVF for you so you can move it

Joel E Salas

2:54 AM

@MarkHenderson just for us here, the pickiest of customers

Mark Henderson

Cos its not in any DRS groups, it's not enabled for HA

And it's on a non-replicated LUN

It's not part of any backup sets either

Just want you to know what you're getting yourself in for

Scott Pack

@MDMarra I was already done with classes before I became employed at a university. Now the only thing my waiver will get me is the 1 credit hour I enroll for when I defend.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Nice!

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden A little cobbler here, a little puppet there...you too can be a lazy bastard too.

ewwhite

foreman, too!

Joel E Salas

3:02 AM

@ewwhite Foreman is dead

Scott Pack

ewwhite

:(

Scott Pack

This? github.com/ddollar/foreman

Joel E Salas

@ScottPack theforeman.org

@ewwhite They didn't adapt to PuppetDB's model for storing catalogs/facts

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Oh, I am. Though the current kickstart setup needs some work.

Scott Pack

3:04 AM

That looks less useless. Also looks way heavier than I want to get into.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas and Puppet said eff-you today.

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden Unfortunately, I presented my setup at a conference last year and publicly promised to release some of my modules. Which is unfortunate because it means I have to actually make them release quality.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Awesome

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden That includes making my cobbler stuff less hackery and more portable.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Yeah.. I keep making modules and thinking I should release them. Then I start thinking about how much it'd take to really make it good and portable.

Joel E Salas

3:07 AM

@ShaneMadden Put them up, I'll work with you on them

@ScottPack Are you using a virtualization platform?

joejulian.name/blog/…

Scott Pack

@JoelESalas Not really, no. My environment isn't suited for virtualization.

Joel E Salas

this made me angry

Shane Madden

@JoelESalas Yeah.. I need to. Also have a Puppet feature to slap the code together for, and what I think is probably a security vulnerability to write up a good report for. Need more hours in the day.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas ??

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden I could have sworn that I had gotten some of my stuff cleaned up enough and actually pushed into github. I need to get back into that and see where I left off.

Way past my bedtime. Gentlemen.

Joel E Salas

3:16 AM

@ewwhite Why would you tie a VM to a specific virtualization host?

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas To use a specific piece of hardware on that host, like a GPU or a licensing dongle.

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton I just don't think Puppet is the right place for that kind of logic

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas Puppet CAN be used for it, but it's usually used to express commonalities rather than differences. Livestock, not pets.

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton right, agreed

Chris S

NSFW youtu.be/JHh7izm5_Zo <-- Streaker scores

Andrew

3:27 AM

@MichaelHampton does puppet manage differences at all, or only as templated fields?

Michael Hampton

@Andrew If you can express the difference, then yes. Worst case you throw a file in a filebucket.

Andrew

@MichaelHampton so you could say "insert (this-host-specific) stuff here" and it works?

Michael Hampton

@Andrew As far as I know, you can do single-host stuff, right in its node definition if necessary.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Thats a new TLD

I haven't seen that before

Michael Hampton

Wait. Is Debian now using systemd?

Adrian

3:32 AM

@MichaelHampton Greeting my Dear Leader.

And a Hello to all you guys too

Michael Hampton

Ahhh, my plan to bring about world domination via cult of personality proceeds apace!

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS How has that not been taken off youtube by now?

Shane Madden

@Andrew Sure, pretty often that you have a module that's specific to a node or a few nodes, with parameters that are specific to one node

Mark Henderson

I'm also a bit suss on how a girl with no shoes on was able to make such a great shot

Her foot would be broken

Andrew

@ShaneMadden cool, hopefully I'll get to actually use puppet some day

Adrian

3:35 AM

@Andrew got a personal website? and $10/month to spend?

Andrew

@Adrian I could but I'm lazy, why? though it would be good to blog, host projects on etc.

if I ever get around to "doing projects", that is

Adrian

put your personal site on a VPS. Host your DNS records and run it all with puppet. Problem solved. Only thing holding you back is the Lazy.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: I'd hope not. Not a big fan of the systemd philosophy

Andrew

@Adrian that would possibly solve my offline backup needs more securely than dropbox

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek So far it's working fine for me.

Dropbox is not backup!

Ivan0x32

3:38 AM

Hello everyone. Can somebody help me out with cisco ios commands? The book says that auto-summary command should output some info upon execution, but the only place where i could run it was rip config mode (otherwise it just results in dns-lookup) and from there it outputs exactly nothing i'm not even sure if its a valid command.

Adrian

@JourneymanGeek There ya go. solving more than one problem with the same stone.

Kinda like how I'm sitting here practicing my Dminor chords when I'm not typing

MikeyB

Baby 59 made me cry :(

Andrew

@MichaelHampton if RAID is not backup and Dropbox is not backup, is Dropbox RAID?

Journeyman Geek

@Adrian: I am a big fan of logs as plain text files, which systemd dosen't do, cause.. i donno

NIH?

Shane Madden

@Ivan0x32 The main site is better for questions, much more eyes on them there. And the network engineering site might get you a better answer for that question: networkengineering.stackexchange.com

Ivan0x32

3:40 AM

inb4: i'm running those commands on generic router in cisco packet tracer

thanks, i'll look into it then :0

:)

Andrew

"why no, email is not anonymous!"

-1

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Adrian

@JourneymanGeek what's the point of that? Hell, I'm considering grabbing one of the big data projects for doing my home logs.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Funny, my systemd logs to syslog!

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: o0, common sense prevailed?

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek It's always logged to syslog.

Andrew

3:42 AM

@JourneymanGeek Common sense in an open source project? Heresy!

Michael Hampton

Maybe that's just an artifact of Fedora's configuration, but I haven't been interested enough to go looking.

Journeyman Geek

Ahh

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd "The systemd journal subsystem can forward event messages to syslog, so both can coexist. Systemd logging is stored in binary form, and it also has mechanisms to check the source is valid as an intended source."

one less thing to hate on it, for me ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek The nice part of that is, that messages generated before syslog starts can be logged to syslog right after it's up and running.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: I was under the impression it purely used its own journal system for logging. Granted that was from an interview with Lennert Pottering

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek That would have been completely useless.

Journeyman Geek

3:45 AM

I can hate on it cause its another init system to learn tho. I barely gotten around to learning upstart ;p

@MichaelHampton: precisely

ewwhite

@JoelESalas I do it when I need specific hardware.... or have stubborn customers.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek I wouldn't even bother with upstart. Except for Ubuntu it's pretty much abandoned, and they're likely going to abandon it too.

ewwhite

I'm about to bind a VM for a produce client to one host because that host will have a local SSD datastore just for produce pro

MikeyB

@JoelESalas Also, stupid licensing restrictions.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: eh, thats why I learnt it, was throwing together ipv6 on an old system

Michael Hampton

3:47 AM

@JourneymanGeek Of course, since Canonical wrote Upstart...

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Seriously? Goddamit. I'd just started finally getting used to that damn thing.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: oh, its about the only decent NIH thing they wrote

and unlike systemd, it co-exists with old school init scripts

Michael Hampton

@Adrian Yep. Every distro I know of that used upstart switched to systemd, except for Ubuntu derivatives.

@JourneymanGeek Funny, my systemd coexists with old school init scripts. Not that there are very many left.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: blah, I need to smack the non-random hungarian then, he was bitching about it loudly on arch ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Smack him for using Arch?

Journeyman Geek

3:49 AM

Oh, I do that often

Michael Hampton

If you use a distro like that, you get to put all the pieces together yourself. I've got stuff to do, so... no thanks.

Journeyman Geek

(friend of mine, he's the non random hungarian cause a bunch of his friends added me, and they're the random hungarians)

lol, yeah

and they're too hipster for installers ;p

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Damn. I've been under a rock for awhile. Where's RedHat/Centos in that whole mess?

Michael Hampton

So, yeah, I try out other distros from time to time, but I always end up coming back to Fedora and EL.

Shane Madden

@Adrian Booting a lot slower than everyone else.

Michael Hampton

3:51 AM

@Adrian EL6 used upstart, but only to serve old init scripts. They never used any of its features. EL7 is switching to systemd.

Journeyman Geek

@Adrian: RHEL has a slower update cycle, but they're DEFINATELY in the systemd side of things, RH did write it

Debian is probably still on oldschool init ;p

Michael Hampton

Debian will switch to systemd as soon as someone makes it work on FreeBSD. Or was it GNU/Hurd. That's the blocker for them right now.

Adrian

@ShaneMadden which doesn't bother me. The OS bootup was always less than 20% of the restart time considering how slow the xSeries IBM servers are to boot up their internal management chipset.

Andrew

Why did Canonical bother writing upstart then? did systemd not exist?

Journeyman Geek

@Andrew: yup

Andrew

3:52 AM

@MichaelHampton kFreeBSD

@JourneymanGeek so who wrote systemd and why?

Michael Hampton

Right. but they do have systemd packages in wheezy.

Journeyman Geek

@Andrew: lennert pottering, same person who wrote pulseaudio

Adrian

@MichaelHampton damn. I gotta figure out the EL7 ETA and decide whether to certify on 6 now or wait.

Andrew

the joys of open source: everyone re-invents the wheel just so they can have new hubcaps

Shane Madden

@Adrian Get yourself some VMs!

Journeyman Geek

3:53 AM

why? I donno, init.d is lame, and upstart was NIH.

Andrew

@JourneymanGeek ... is that good or bad?

Adrian

@ShaneMadden yeah. doing that now. been dinking with anaconda and ISCSI today.

Journeyman Geek

@Andrew: Oh, I don't like the guy.

Andrew

he wrote avahi too.

> "I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore", he replied in an interview.

Journeyman Geek

Precisely!

Andrew

3:55 AM

I've yet to understand why BSD(s) are "secure" apart from "because they aren't Linux" :/

Michael Hampton

@Adrian Last I heard was it should be out by year end.

Journeyman Geek

(course canonical is as bad with NIH, mir, anyone?)

Andrew

and "they have a reputation for it"

@JourneymanGeek bzr?

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek No, everybody tried upstart, and it sucked.

Journeyman Geek

@Andrew: well the thing with BSDs I guess is one or two of them are security oriented

The other is hipsterism ;p

Andrew

3:57 AM

if teh cron question is canonical why isn't it listed on meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/…

Journeyman Geek

A system, in any case, is only as secure as the people and system that run it

Michael Hampton

@Andrew Nobody edited it in yet? Do the honors.

Andrew

@MichaelHampton gotta find it first

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Time to get my butt in gear, I suppose. No sense in waiting until next year.

Andrew

@MichaelHampton done!

Adrian

4:02 AM

Cron question needs more upvotes too

Andrew

needs to be expanded to cover everything we want to merge into it, too so people won't complain "but it doesn't cover that", cf. serverfault.com/questions/508601/…

ewwhite

Can anyone check to see if this website is up and running properly?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Still waiting for Chrome to go back in time to retrieve that page...

@ewwhite It's loading... S L O O O O OO OOOOOOOOOO W WW W W W WW WWWWW

Adrian

@ewwhite dole/kemp?

@ewwhite up & running. quite snappily here.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Not from here

Adrian

4:12 AM

maybe Michael got it loaded up into the cache for me.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I think it's allllllmmmmooooossssstttt done....

Adrian

HATE HATE HATE HATE THIS NETBOOK

I do not have #2 pencil eraswrs for fingertips

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite OK, the site's up and running, but it took several minutes to load all the images and such.

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite: dosen't work for me, or its REALLY slow

Andrew

@ewwhite loaded here fairly quickly but the GIFs suck

Adrian

4:19 AM

@ewwhite Weird. For me, that site comes up quicker than a triple-dose of Viagra.

Andrew

half the links aren't actually links, either

oh yay, paginated websites...

because we don't know how to scroll!

Adrian

@Andrew what do you expect out of a 16 year old site?

Michael Hampton

@Andrew Can you imagine, porn used to look like that.

Andrew

@MichaelHampton I wouldn't know

Adrian

@MichaelHampton heh. Porn used to load one pixel at a time over 2400 baud modems. cough

Michael Hampton

4:21 AM

@Adrian Been there done that.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Face it, we're old. =)

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Reloading pages works fine. Just the first page load was 33 seconds per resource. Check to see if they're doing HostnameLookups or something stupid like that, that webmasters in the 90's did.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton makes sense. If it's cached, only the first person will see the load time issue.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite And, please tell us that box doesn't have 5,000+ days of uptime.

Andrew

@MarkHenderson did you see itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/cornered/…

Adrian

4:28 AM

@MichaelHampton @ewwhite Either of you guys got any links handy on integrating ZFS with CentOS/RHEL?

I'm kind of curious on how that ties in.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian zfsonlinux.org

Adrian

danke shen

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Interesting....

Andrew

Australia needs applications for bandwidth that aren't porn or warez

Adrian

@Andrew so does the rest of the world

@Chopper3 Good Morning, Sir.

Mark Henderson

4:29 AM

@Andrew I see a lot of old people complaining about how the NBN is just going to be used for game of thrones

Andrew

@Adrian inhouse cloud would be a good idea

Mark Henderson

Speaking of which, last weeks GoT - epic dragon mother tits

Michael Hampton

@Andrew Why? Porn and warez are what will get Australia more bandwidth. Do your part and consume more!

Andrew

@MarkHenderson which it probably will be, but it could be sold rather than just torrented (not that torrenting is necessarily illegal)

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton We have incredibly strict laws about porn. Most of what we view here is actually illegal to import

Andrew

4:30 AM

@MichaelHampton our politicians don't look kindly on such things, nanny state and all that

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Really? That's... absurd.

Mark Henderson

If the government had its way their "moral compass" (lolwtfbbq) would shut down all the porn sites

@MichaelHampton Yeah, it is

@MichaelHampton They tried to do a great firewall here a few years back. It almost got through too except basically everyone in the IT industry said "can't be done"

Falcon Momot

heheh. in Canada, the border guards have like... quasi-judicial discretion on that stuff. However, they pay a price - a friend of mine tried to smuggle in some hentai, and lied about what it was, so they watched it. The agent came back all white in the face like she was raised in a nunnery.

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot So they were detained while border guards watched porn...

Falcon Momot

Yeah, pretty much.

usually when they detain you here it's just "wait here please"

ewwhite

4:39 AM

@Adrian real easy

Andrew

So, I'm going to be building a smallish storage server (3TB, 2 disks in RAID1) pretty soon (nobody else at work has experience with LVM). Should I go ZFS instead?

would a "is ZFS right for me" question be on-topic?

Joel E Salas

@Andrew You probably won't benefit from ZFS

it would be fun for learning though

@MarkHenderson Is it safe to reboot this server? ie shutdown -r now

Andrew

@JoelESalas might do it at home then

Joel E Salas

@Andrew Yeah at work stick to the known technologies like mdadm

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Yeah sure

It should take about 30-45 seconds to reboot