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7:00 PM
@voretaq7 both, you NEED both
 
@Chopper3 only if you intend to carry all of those weapons
any two of them could be carried in belt holsters
Also I'd replace one of the bottom two folding knives with a multitool
 
@Chopper3 I use the shit out of dvSwitches!
 
EVERYTHING is better when you relate it to zombies!
 
7:16 PM
ugh...
 
@ewwhite YOU'RE A ZOMBIE! Quick - someone give me a skull-buster!
 
Client with EMC problems asks for some storage space...
30TB of storage.
what would you use?
If the answer is a Linux box with 17 disks in RAID6 is your answer... I'm going to kick your ass!
 
@ewwhite Absolutely not!
I would string together a bunch of old iPods
the really crappy ones with rotating hard drives in 'em
 
@voretaq7 I used to boot Mac workstations over firewire with those.
 
@ewwhite I miss target disk mode :sobs uncontrollably:
 
7:22 PM
@voretaq7 it still exists.
 
@ewwhite yeah but firewire ports are getting harder to find
 
Thunderbolt->Firewire adapter is what I use.
 
@ewwhite Why should I have to carry a dongle?
stupid thunderbolt...
 
@voretaq7 for your ethernet port...
 
and why can't they make it work over USB?!?
@ewwhite Lies. Nobody uses ethernet.
 
7:23 PM
(my macbook retina ain't got no ethernet port)
 
@ewwhite I got 99 ports but.... actually no all I have is this thunderbolt port and a power socket.
but I got 99 dongles now!
Unfortunate Display Segment Failure
 
@voretaq7 99 dongles but a dick ain't one...
 
@DennisKaarsemaker :checks: . . . no I still have that dongle
but I'm not buying the computer one. I get fucked by computers enough.
 
What makes people think that throwing insults around is going to get them anywhere?
 
where ?
 
7:36 PM
@Iain Oh, it's already deleted. I'm just saying.
 
@MichaelHampton :(
 
I am seductively eating a banana right now.
 
@WesleyDavid Damned Cats!
 
@WesleyDavid I thought you were more of a pearshaped cat...
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Nope:
 
7:44 PM
@WesleyDavid easy on the creatine, pussy
 
Don't forget the BCAA and Glutamine.
 
Did you buy a bike already, or are you still just ogling?
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@DennisKaarsemaker He's not even ogling very thoroughly
 
Still ogling, but since my bike fund had to get drained, I'm not ogling as hard.
I started back up with my eBay trawling though.
 
@WesleyDavid Are you ever going to go into an actual bike shop and test ride some bikes?
 
7:50 PM
Bike funds should not get drained
 
@freiheit ...no?
Is this a trick question? I bet this is a trick question.
 
It is a trick question. The correct answers are "yes" and "this week". "no", "maybe" and "eventually" are all wrong answers.
 
@freiheit But they're all "Hey look at this bike that's more expensive than you asked for!" and "Here's a bike in your budget, and four truckloads of shit you didn't ask for!"
"PEOPLE! LEAVE ME BE!"
 
If you don't try out some bikes, you're likely to get the wrong size.
 
I've been on some friends bikes. 52cm, way too small, 54, too smallish.
 
7:54 PM
@WesleyDavid "Hey, look at this bike that's more expensive than you asked for! Here, let me adjust the seat and stem to fit you, and you can take it for a test ride. We close at 6."
 
I'm thinking 56cm
 
I declare tonight rubbish 90's eurodance night.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker OKAI! Playlist?
 
Scooter, party animals, dj paul elstak technohead, charlie lownoise & mental theo
 
@WesleyDavid 56cm is what I ride. I'm 5'10.5" with a long torso (short legs). I end up with about a fistful of seatpost and a distance from saddle to handlebars that's perfect.
 
7:56 PM
and whatever youtube puts in the related videos
ooh, prodigy
 
@freiheit Okay, I'm "regular" torso length, or whatever. I'm a perfect 5'10 height, 5'10 wingspan. Pretty average all around.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Here, try something modern: youtube.com/watch?v=u1ueZS8O6Ss
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Smack my Dev up!
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@DennisKaarsemaker I just got Spotify so I think I'll go find prodigy there. Haven't listened to them in a while.
 
@WesleyDavid Smack my DevOps!
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@DennisKaarsemaker Ooo... better. I like.
 
7:59 PM
playing firestarter now
 
I had to send my laptop back to Lenovo... Broken CPU fan. I would have fixed it myself, but they offered to send me a brand new unit to replace it with.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Wear a glove.
 
@voretaq7 No glove, no devops
 
How many of you love your job, and how many see it as a paycheck and find your "happy place" outside of work?
 
I like IT, I don't like my current job
I loved my old job
 
8:08 PM
@Cole What was your old job?
 
@KevinSoviero My commute is better than my job.
 
I'm trying to decide if I should settle on a job that pays well, but I won't like, or a job that I like, but won't pay well... Haven't found both yet.
 
@KevinSoviero I worked in the engineering lab for NetApp
It paid well and it was awesome. Then I was sexually assaulted and the company did nothing about it....so yeah'
 
@Cole Oooh... that sounds fun.
 
Here I am, at a shit company.
 
8:11 PM
@Cole Lawyer?
 
@Cole Well.... shit...
 
I didn't because then it would just out me as transgendered and yadda yadda so I was like whatever
I don't want everyone and their mother to know I'm trans
 
@Cole Do you live somewhere where that's a problem?
 
@KevinSoviero not really, I'm in MA
But it's no one's business
Where I work, it would be a problem - yes
Very blue collar.
 
@Cole To each his own I suppose... I like suing people who've pissed me off ;)
 
8:12 PM
I had enough going on at the time, like getting ready for surgery
Spoke to a very promising company today, so I'm excited. Having a phone screen early next week
One of their managers from India
Very much "wear whatever you want to work, and you can have tattoos, and piercings and weird colored hair and play with a lot of cool technology and we'll pay you a lot of money"
 
@Cole What's the company?
@Cole Who the hell is that!!!???
 
Just for search reasons :P
 
@Cole "Just for search reasons :P" Huh?
 
Didn't want the company name in here for search reasons
 
8:16 PM
NetApp can s my d so I don't care about them
 
@Cole Fuck 'em
 
But this place seems pretty cool
 
@Cole no they can't. Yet >:)
 
@DennisKaarsemaker I'd beg to differ
but I'm not going to discuss my genitals
 
@Cole oh, I thought that specific operation was still in the future. Apparently I'm behind on times :)
 
8:17 PM
@Cole Servers, networking, and genitals. Oh my.
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@DennisKaarsemaker testosterone makes certain things grow
 
@KevinSoviero dongles. The correct term is dongles :)
 
So I'm in the 2"-3" range. Which isn't too far behind the average.
 
And where do you insert your dongles?
 
As my ex said, she's been with dudes who are smaller than I am
 
8:21 PM
Ooooooooh, there's linkin park in this playlist. Didn't know I was turning emo...
 
6 MINUTES
 
and then?
 
chiropractor!
and home
and no pants
and beer!
@DennisKaarsemaker you interview a lot of people for Linux positions, right?
 
@Cole yes.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker I'm assuming all sorts of levels?
 
8:27 PM
@Adrian is one of my future victims
 
DUN DUN DUN
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Oooh! I get to guinea pig something?
Oh, yeah. Interviews. =)
 
Wait, I'll be back in like 30-40 minutes.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker So I'm assuming that means you guys do a lot of telecommute?
 
Hopefully you and @Adrian will be around
I have some questions
 
8:28 PM
Well, if you make it through the phone interviews, I'm the boss fight :)
 
@Cole You have to go back home for pants?
 
@ScottPack no, not at all.
 
@Adrian no, I have to go get my back cracked and then no pants
but I will be back
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Hey, if I tell the interviewer that I quit my previous job because of a spat with my manager, what are the chances of me getting the job? :D
 
@KevinSoviero depends on how much you badmouth your manager. "I quit because of disagreements with my manager over XXYYZZ" is reasonable. "I quit, because my boss was an idiot who didn't know windows from os/2" reduces your chances :)
 
8:31 PM
@KevinSoviero Ugh, had a manager that went out the door like that at my last job. Great guy, and he was right, since the company did actually go down the tubes because the decisions he said were really bad, but it's never fun to see it happen. =(
If they'd have listened to him, me and about 60 other people would still have jobs right now. =(
 
@DennisKaarsemaker I did go into detail... Damn. Guess I ain't getting that job ;)
 
@KevinSoviero depends. I often ask "Why did you leave the last job" exactly to find out how much of a blamer/badmouther a person is.
So a reasonable explanation, or even a "I'm not comfortable discussing that" is acceptable to me.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Indeed. Such a good indicator of maturity from that question.
 
I also like the always loathed "where do you want to be in 2 years. And in 5"
 
@DennisKaarsemaker I said it was because he didn't seem to like me and would single me out for any manual labor he could find...
 
8:35 PM
One candidate actually said he wanted to be VP of IT in 5 years
One of the many reasons he didn't get an offer :-)
 
Hey @freiheit, this you?
 
@KevinSoviero Heh. Sometimes manual labor is good. Very Zen. Sometimes tough to take a few minutes to sit and meditate in the course of the day, and a little bit of manual labor helps re-center the mind sometimes.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Have you ever had to interview someone who was leaving their own business to get back into the employee workforce?
 
@WesleyDavid I'm off-camera, hugging the rocks and wetting myself. ;)
 
@WesleyDavid yes.
 
8:40 PM
@freiheit I'm not even there and I still wet myself.
 
First official day at Oracle. Here's how things are progressing:
 
@DennisKaarsemaker When I did some interviews looking to leave my indie work, I got that all the time, of course. Very reasonable question.
@freiheit So, let's see what you think of my answers. Behind the scenes, the real reason I was interviewing was #1 I wasn't making enough money on my own. Still true, but haven't stepped into any interviews lately.
When I was asked, my answer was still truthful, but not revealing how rather unsuccessful my consulting had been. It was "I miss working on larger projects and technology than simple small business stuff. I also miss working with a team of people. I don't like to work 100% alone, even though I can be self directed, I still like to have colleagues and a team."
 
I think I offered to GIVE a bike to @wesleydavid
 
@WesleyDavid both are acceptable answers. Having your own business is omghard.
 
@ewwhite ...I thought you were kidding...
 
8:43 PM
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Q: TCP/IP routing: accessing a LAN device with wrong static IP configuration

Michael McDonaldI forgot to change the static IP of a network device before moving it from my datacenter network to my home LAN. Since it isn't configured properly for my LAN network, I'm not sure how to access it. Constraints: It's a NAS (a LaCie Network Space MAX) and can only be accessed via web console. I...

But...but...I want the answer to be complex! <le sigh>
 
@Adrian Within a one-month period I built a stage, potted plants, and moved an entire room of (very heavy) cardboard boxes to a new room... There was more, but I can't remember them right now. All of this given to me by the new manager right after he started.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker But the real, no holds barred answer was: "I'm making the same wages as a cashier at a grocery store, staying up late trying to find new customers and revenue streams when I'd rather be neck deep in scripts, server configs, and etc." followed by the other reasons I mentioned above.
@ewwhite I... okay. Err... you have the hookup for some bikes that no one would notice was missing?
 
@ewwhite If he doesn't want it, I'll take one. ;)
 
@WesleyDavid that still works for me. "I know business but like IT better. Please let me do IT"
 
What size do you prefer?
 
8:45 PM
We like IT people who know how the real world works
 
@ewwhite 56cm is what seems to fit me best.
I've got a 52cm Fuji in the garage that's my stepdad's - way too small. I was on a 54cm Trek a few weeks ago. Still felt pinchy.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Spent nearly a quarter of my time at $job[-1] mentoring the really new engineers that were working their first gig out of school. Pained me to see those guys get cut loose just 4-5 months into their first job through no fault of their own. =(
Sad to work on industry-changing projects just to see the opportunity float away. =/
 
That is sad.
We're all in a rough place. Industry be changin'
(Unless you're devops)
 
@ewwhite :)
 
But then, you'll be running a website for-ever!
 
9:01 PM
Some parts of the industry refuse to change... Somehow, I end up hating those...
 
@ewwhite Nah, this wasn't even admin. It was engineering. You can't DevOps the basic engineering for deployments. DevOps depends on the Engineering to know how to configure the environment.
 
This morning I sat on a phone conference while we used WebEx so a vendor could install a moodle plugin for us.
The vendor, of course, didn't even email us the zip file until the start of the meeting.
In the end, not only did the plugin not work, but it pretty much broke moodle entirely when it wasn't working.
 
@freiheit What was it supposed to do?
 
And, of course, this was all on a dev environment, because our actual production stuff is a cluster that you don't just install by unzipping a file in the right directory
 
Later gents.
 
9:09 PM
@WesleyDavid It's supposed to talk to another server to find out if the user has any "surveys" to fill out, and present a link (with some kind of embedded auth) in a block if they do.
At least we managed to get it to complain about WSDL instead of infinite looping...
It uses a SOAP API
 
@freiheit go wash your mouth, filthy heathen.
 
If you want to write your own proxy server, that's not only too broad, it's also something we don't do at Server Fault. :) — Michael Hampton 5 secs ago
WTF?
 
@MichaelHampton Sound like it might be something that could be done with apache httpd, mod_proxy and mod_python...
 
@freiheit or nginx with mod_perl. I've done that :)
 
Whatever he's doing, I'm pretty sure he's doing it wrong.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker I think RHN Proxy is mod_wsgi and proxy stuff...
 
@DennisKaarsemaker See, doing it wrong, børk børk børk.
 
@freiheit I think he probably needs to be looking at Twisted, since he likes python.
 
9:32 PM
Who wants a hug?
http://i.stack.imgur.com/wY5gr.gif
@zypher Who will bring steely death to my animated gifs if you're not here?!
 
@DennisKaarsemaker When facehuggers collide?
 
and I'm back
 
@Cole YAY!
 
Got my back and neck all cracked
 
9:42 PM
@Cole And now you're chatting with us with a beer and without pants?
 
No beer yet, but I changed into shorts +++
 
@freiheit Goes without saying
 
I always get a giggle out of that picture. Not quite sure what that says about me....
 
@Cole I wear shorts to work. Long pants are for cold days
 
9:44 PM
this picture makes me giggle every time
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@freiheit I used to :(
 
hmm, beer and no pants. Excellent idea. brb.
 
@Cole I'm too frustrated with my cat right now for that to be funny. :-P
 
@freiheit I have those days too
but then
 
@DennisKaarsemaker What part of town is your Seattle office in, anyway? Your company's SEO is so powerful that my Google-fu cannot overcome it.
 
and
 
9:46 PM
@Cole This morning, I looked around to see if there was half of a dead mouse. I was hoping for one, but no such luck.
 
which makes me LOL every time
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Aha! Found it.
 
@Adrian columbia center, 2 floors above starbucks
 
@DennisKaarsemaker that's not too bad. The top 1/3rd is really unpleasant to be in during/after even really minor earthquakes.
 
@Cole that cat looks like you just stuck your finger up its ass...
@Adrian I've never been in an earthquake. We don't really get those here
 
9:49 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker I have no idea why he made that face but I was in tears I was laughing so hard
He's the cutest
 
@DennisKaarsemaker All the cool sysadmins live on the ring of fire. ;)
 
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Q: OS X Lion machines will continually query Active Directory 2008 for every user in the directory

Donna TreubigWe are having a problem where our OS X Lion machines will continually query Active Directory 2008 for every user in the directory until a user logs into the machine. When a user logs into the machine, the continuous, expensive queries stop. The problem queries start again as soon as the user logs...

 
I've never been in an earthquake, either
 
Funny how that one stayed and had 8 upvotes...and yet the duplicate...well @voretaq7
 
@freiheit a good chili will give everyone a ring of fire the next day
 
9:51 PM
@Cole Does he catch mice? And then release them entirely uninjured under your wine rack, then get confused when it runs off to the couch and continue searching the wine rack really thoroughly?
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Yeah, can't really say it's boring here. At least Mt. Rainier hasn't blown up.
 
@freiheit I don't have mice, but he's probably murder the fuck out of them looking at all the toys he has.
 
@TheCleaner It all depends on whether or not they waved a dead chicken over their keyboard before pressing the submit button on their question
fwiw I don't think it was right to close the question - that sounds like a perfectly legit problem to try and solve
 
@MarkHenderson - I shall test this theory tomorrow...as long as I can use chicken strips.
 
He's currently galloping around my apartment like a fucking Clydesdale though
 
9:53 PM
@Cole The dead animals deposited in shoes is mildly annoying. If it's a rat, I'm even pleased that at least the rat is dead. Releasing them live in the house really cuts into the cuteness a lot.
 
@MarkHenderson hmm, I'll post my next question from KFC :)
 
Oh so back to my question for you guys who interview people/interview for Linux positions. What are certain things that if a candidate doesn't know is a total deal breaker? I've never interviewed for a pure Linux or primarily Linux position before.
 
"What are certain things that if a candidate doesn't know is a total deal breaker?"
They better know Linux. :)
 
@TheCleaner Linux? I know that guy - cool at parties but just don't talk to him about video cards when he gets drunk.
 
@Cole That's a pretty wide question. I'd start the list with ls and cd and sudo
 
9:58 PM
Ok for a "Associate/Mid Level" Linux admin position
 
If you can't do those things you're fucked
 
@Cole If you can't use a terminal mode text editor, that's a deal breaker. vi, emacs, pico, nano, joe, whatever... terminal mode text editor or no deal.
 
Oh well I <3 vim
 
@Cole You sadist
 
NOPE
vim or gtfo
 
9:59 PM
@Cole If you can't answer a question with a distro agnostic answer, then I would be extremely hesitant.
 
@freiheit Does it count if I use a Linux port of edit.com?
 
@Zoredache ah yeah, luckily I have experience with more than one distro.
 

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