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12:19 AM
IT RAINS!!!!!!!
it rains it rains it rains :(
 
@voretaq7 Up here, southern Canadia, it rains as well.
 
@jscott RAIN!
 
Why doesn't dd-ing an entire disk device work
source disk: everything fine
destination disk: superblock errors everywhere
This is driving me nuts
 
@JoelESalas ...the disk isn't in use right? :-)
 
12:37 AM
It's been raining all day.
@JoelESalas Next time you buy drives off eBay, skip the ones that are listed as "Parts or not working".
 
@voretaq7 it rained really really hard here but only for about five minutes. I'm assuming it's just a lull and there's going to be more.
 
@MDMarra just an electrical storm here right now
 
So, I think I'm going to buy one of those sketchy IPS panels that Jeff has been blathering about
 
@voretaq7 WHOOPS. No seriously, it's 100% cold and it still won't dd correctly
 
Unlike him, I'm purchasing mine based solely on brand name.
Right now CATLEAP brand monitors are the front runner
 
12:44 AM
@JoelESalas that's not a good sign... does it work when dd'd to an image file?
 
@voretaq7 Didn't have time to try, rolling back everything
 
@MDMarra Just remember that the latency on IPS is higher than TN
But damn they do look good
 
Yeah
 
I haven't read Jeffs post on it though
 
The super sketchy panels Jeff has recommended are dual link dvi only
 
12:47 AM
but I know that he, like me, is really begging for high DPI monitors
 
so it takes the scalars and other electronics out
meaning that display lag is as close to nonexistant as possible
check out the latest post on codinghorror.com
he talks all about em
 
lol
someone on SU chat ordered one of those
i'm tempted as well
 
a CATLEAP?
or one of the ones that Jeff ordered
 
catleap
 
oh dude
find out how they are for me, huh
 
12:48 AM
Tough day for points...
 
and he ordered whatever he did on the recommendation of TR
 
grrr
 
i really want one just from the name
 
just finished 5+ hour interview, though
 
12:49 AM
I want one as soon as i can work out how to get space for it ;p
 
With a written portion... Maybe one of y'all can answer one that stumped me
 
@ewwhite written? weird
 
@MDMarra: the catleaps are pretty well known
 
awesome
 
and people seem to swear that they're pretty decent other than a little bleed, and a total lack of controls outside brightness
 
12:50 AM
@MDMarra it was like, create a /30 bridge to connect the servers on these two networks...
 
Already out of my area of expertise
 
without explicitly routing the servers to this interface.
it was linux routing stuff that was difficult to visualize.
 
I'd probably throw some of the money i save into one of these hughski.com ;p
 
@ewwhite How can you route without routing? Maybe they meant they wanted you to use a dynamic routing protocol? Or a tunnel of some kind?
 
it was like, Servers A through F... two sites... and servers A, B, C had internet access via server A. D, E, F through server D...
and some servers had multiple interfaces.
and the bridge of /30 would connect server A and D
but I was to do it without putting an explicit route to the bridge...
but rather, by modifying the routing tables on all of the other servers
 
12:54 AM
could you have put some devices inline with others?
 
Nope... it was a linux subnet routing exercise... but really hard to visualize?
 
Why the hell would you modify a bunch of servers instead of the routers?
 
yeah dude
i bet they were just fucking with you and wanted to go out to lunch
so they stuck you with that and went out for a beer for a bit
:)
 
@ShaneMadden There were no routers... all linux servers acting as routers.
 
@ewwhite have you applied at Fog Creek yet? :)
 
12:56 AM
Naw.
 
They've invited me to interview twice already. They really need SAs and you'd be in the same building as StackHQ
Never too late to teach an old dog new tricks :p
I just could never live in NYC without losing my mind, I think.
 
@ewwhite Well yeah, but still, why on earth would you not modify the quasi-routers instead of the client nodes?
 
@MDMarra Don't like big cities?
 
I don't mind Philly
 
@MDMarra Sad face :( They haven't asked me to re-apply
 
12:57 AM
I just really don't like NYC
 
@MarkHenderson ;_;
 
@ShaneMadden Because I had to keep the default gateways and internet access.
it was hard
 
@MarkHenderson I also removed myself from consideration before I interviewed in person there
 
@JoelESalas I suspect it's because I'm on the other side of the world and they already went there once with me and decided it wasn't worth the risk
 
It's like a hot girl that makes a date and then breaks it off and you always wonder "what if"
and you picture those titties just flapping in the wind every day
 
12:58 AM
@MDMarra Haha
 
@ewwhite Sure, but let the routers route the traffic bound for servers on the other side through the /30s. And use OSPF if they don't want static routes on the routers.
 
Well, in this case, those titties are my windows server skills
 
@MDMarra If her titties flap in the wind, I'd be concerned
 
And there's no wind, because I'm a SA and don't know what the outside looks like
@MarkHenderson So did you at least get to interview with Joel?
Or did that never happen
 
Hmm, Fog Creek.
@ShaneMadden Ah, maybe... I'm just not in the know with that.
I'm like... vlan... enable ACLs and vlan routing
 
1:01 AM
@ewwhite Just from talking to people, it sounds like an awesome work environment, it's a Joel company, and it's a tech company that exists solely for the tech. It's not tech supporting some business goal that you dont care about
 
@ewwhite Yeah, that'd work. Personally, I'd avoid manual modifications on the clients at all costs. They can keep their default gateway, not problem. Let the "routers" do the routing :)
 
@MDMarra Yet another reason it's tougher to leave my current place than it should be. It's a pretty damn awesome mission.
 
Ya, it was tough for me to leave education.
Even though education sucks, I still felt like what I did mattered
 
Well, today's interview gave me hope
 
But I'm still sort of in education, so whatevs
@ewwhite where was it
 
1:03 AM
@ewwhite Good to hear. My old man got let go, so he's job hunting now too.
 
@MDMarra Yep I had that interview
All in all I think my interview process went as well as it ever could have, and if I had lived in the US, or even Canada, I'd have the job right now
I just wanted to give you an update on our status.  We were happy with
your performance on the project you gave us, but
we've decided overall that pursuing this is not in our best interest
right now.  Shawn actually gave us notice that he is
leaving to go work at Twitter in a few weeks, and our current problem
is to find someone local to replace him.  Given the
uncertainties about having you come out here, we can't justify the
risk in the situation we are in right now. I apologize for the back
and forth, and if you are still interested in the future, and we get
^^ That was the email I got from them
Interestingly, since Shawn went to Twitter, twitter has had three major outages. Co-incidence?
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lol
oh shawn
well thats a bummer man
 
:(
 
Meh
That was months ago, since then I got a massive pay bump, a company car and a few other thigns i asked for
Mainly cos my Boss freaked the fuck out that I might be leaving, so when I told him I was staying he lavished me
 
haha
 
1:11 AM
He basically said "name your price", because if I didn't get the job at FC I was planning on moving to a much smaller city
 
company car, huh?
living the life
 
@MDMarra Apparently they're rare in the US but here they're a pretty common fringe benefit
 
I get public transit paid for
 
Very rare in US
 
but no car
 
1:12 AM
A car is worth about $15k/year before tax
And I got it without taking a pay hit
So thats effectively a 15k payrise
 
gotta love that
 
(I got cash ontop as well though)
 
and miles per year cap on it like if it were a lease?
err kilometers per metric-year*
 
@MDMarra Depends on the agreement. Mine actually has a minimum k's, but no maxiumum
 
nice
 
1:13 AM
The minimum k's are required for tax deduction
The company owns the car outright, so there's no lease conditions
 
oh ok
 
We were originally going to leave Sydney because property here is prohibitively expensive. I own a 2-bedroom average apartment in the 'burbs a 1 hour commute from the city by train, and it's worth about $400,000
So you can only imagine what a 4-bedder house with land is worth
(and where I live is a bit of a crappy suburb)
So when I told my boss we were moving to a smaller town so we could buy a house with some land, he basically said "How much would it cost for you to buy it in Sydney". So I told him, and he agreed to give me a pay bump to catch the difference between my current repayments and the repayments on our new place
 
man
thats nice
You hiring? :p
um
so this isnt supposed to happen
 
@MDMarra Looks pretty usable!
 
I thought Macs were SUPPOSED to look like that!
 
1:25 AM
I mean, I'd like icons on my dock at least
OK, I'm outa here
 
Oh you got Mountain Lion going.
 
How on earth is JIRA so bloated?
A service shouldn't take 8 minutes to start.
 
Is there a way to install a package in Debian without the new service giddily starting right up with the wrong config
 
1:45 AM
@JoelESalas nnnnot really
unless it launches debconfig or whatever they use you're pretty well screwed.
 
Is that a deficiency?
COmpared to the RHEL way of doing things
 
@ewwhite It' all deficient if you ask me.
 
B S D
 
On all 3 of the major BSDs if you install a service it doesn't start until you tell the system you want it started (and invoke the startup script)
 
Yes, yes... Anti-Linux
@voreta Now I'm in Chelsea... must find foooood
Eating alone in NYC is acceptable, it seems.
 
1:56 AM
@ewwhite yeah generally
 
Can anyone tell me in 100 words or less the difference between Insight Control and iLO Advanced; would I want one over the other, or both? I'm familiar with iLO, but not IC.
 
I'd offer you suggestions but I don't usually eat in Chelsea :-)
 
@voretaq7 DFBSD and PCBSD work the same way.
 
@ChrisS does new debian not start services until you've had a chance to configure them?
 
@voretaq7 I haven't run a copy of Linux in years.
 
2:04 AM
@voretaq7 I think it depends on the post-install script. Most start up automatically, I think.
 
@ShaneMadden heathens :x
 
@voretaq7 Meh. There are much better things to get upset about in Debian.
 
@ShaneMadden heh
 
@ShaneMadden Yes. Like their rather short update support timeframe. By the time you get a release tested and rolled out, they're already announcing an impending EOL.
 
@Adrian Continuous integration is all the rage! Just run apt-get dist-upgrade on the unstable branch on an hourly cron!
 
2:15 AM
@ShaneMadden Continuous integration is great if you can afford to have your shit be broken -- When my shit breaks people die :-/
 
@ShaneMadden Though to be honest, my complaints there are slightly disingenuous really. It's not like my Devs have ever run apt-get upgrade on one of their servers. They just leave it at the basic release level available on whatever ISO they download.
@voretaq7 Well, people are unlikely to die with ours, but some folks might get hurt. Thankfully there's no SLAs really. And sometimes the staff forget to even call us when it all breaks.
life's a beach when your customers are your monitoring service.... gag
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@Adrian Yes, gag. Gag the customers and no more alerts!
 
@voretaq7 Yeah. We have enough problems getting them to report real problems. If the database is down they don't really care. Facebook not working? They're on the phone to their union rep. 3 seconds after they call the on-call senior director.
 
@MDMarra Very zen.
 
@ChrisS No real differences in the ILO. Don't be a sucka; reuse those keys!
 
2:22 AM
@ewwhite All the marketing material is C-Level bullsh*t... And the IC license is only like $150 per server, where the iLO Adv is $300.... And the IC looks like it does more, so why would it be half the price... Like I said, just having a really tough time with what makes sense.
 
@voretaq7 What do you recommend for imaging OSX
 
Seriously, I've never seen a difference... But I always have keys available... Or I buy systems that have it all included. High-performance models. I've never noticed a difference. @chopper3 would know
 
@JoelESalas imaging how? Like on the question that was asked a little while ago? :)
 
@JoelESalas I just talked to an ad agency that had software to manage group policy on their 200+ macs...
 
@voretaq7 Just spotted it, digesting it now
@ewwhite Basically AD for OSX?
 
2:26 AM
@ewwhite Also, do you still have the the contact with the HP Reseller? I'm trying to light a fire on my upgrade project and need a quote for a C7000, 4x BL460cG7 with RAM, and a pair of Flex ICs. (Part numbers: 507014-B21, 4x 630442-S01, 24x (or maybe 40x) 500662-B21, and 2x 571956-B21). No rush, but we've been talking about it at work for months and I'm tired of talking. =]
 
@voretaq7 In case you're interested, it was the VM's BIOS boot settings. Like many crap BIOSes, it only tries the first disk, then declares there's no OS
 
@JoelESalas FANTASTIC!
 
I should have checked that first thing. I'm so on-edge here that I'm missing obvious stuff
 
@JoelESalas it would never have occurred to me because I always set the BIOS on my systems to check every drive
see discussions about software RAID here and on main :)
 
@voretaq7 I'd also wager you're not tacking VMDKs onto running VMs then rebooterin' em
 
2:31 AM
@JoelESalas nnnnno.
 
@voretaq7 At least I'm documenting all of this, turning my hours of suffering into a few key sentences of knowledge
 
@chriss. I can get you blades cheap still.
 
@JoelESalas heh, post (and answer) some questions about it?
 
Assume chassis at $3k. I'll check prices on the others.
 
@voretaq7 Q: Hey jerks, what the fuck are you supposed to do when you can't boot your VM after you dicked with it for like 2 hours? A: Check the BIOS fuckhead
it prints upvotes!
 
2:36 AM
@ewwhite Whenever you get a chance if you could throw a quote my way. I think the Flex ICs are the most expensive, I've got a line on a pair of them locally if your price is "too close to retail"
 
@JoelESalas :-P
 
Flex-10 with 10GbE uplinks?
 
@ewwhite The FlexFabric modules I had CDW quote were the 571956-B21; CDW was salivating at the thought of selling me a pair for $19k each.
 
Why flex fabric? I usually just use the flex10
 
@ewwhite That would probably work too. I'm most interested as there's a local asset recovery place that wants to offload a pair of them they got stuck with somehow, so I'm wondering what they should cost.
 
2:43 AM
And those were < $1300 each for me.
 
@ewwhite Ok. You definitely know these better than I do... And that's cheaper than the FlexFabric ICs.
We're running iSCSI right now. Wasn't sure if we'd be looking at FCoE in the future. But I'm probably better off worrying about the next year or two and letting future SAN upgrades worry about themselves.
 
The fabric would not be much more.
(refurb on the IC's) $10k+ is just stupid
 
3:13 AM
My apartment neighbor is dating the most ridiculous example of a hipster I've seen in ages. Surprisingly, he's actually friendly as well. I wasn't aware that there's a model of hipster that wasn't also a douche-bag.
 
OK, one of you bastards cast the final vote on this.... thing!
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Q: Why couldn't MAC addresses be used instead of IPv4|6 for networking?

Félix SaparelliI am reading up on TCP/IP and other related protocols and technologies. MAC addresses are described as being (reasonably :) unique, and as having a large possibility space (several hundred trillions), while also being assigned to all network interfaces. What are the historical and technical reaso...

I think it's been as thoroughly answered as possible short of my dropping Networking Fundamentals on someone's skull
 
@voretaq7 2k to VTC?
 
@Adrian 3k
 
@Adrian heh damned if I remember -- I always have to look on /privileges
<- is a bad mod :(
 
@ShaneMadden ah. Yeah, not going to get that this week.
 
3:28 AM
@Adrian ::CRACK WHIP::
Go answer some bounty questions :)
 
@voretaq7 Of course, I'd have to figure out the answers first.....
 
@Adrian why let that stop ya?
 
Hmmm, not many good questions today. I'm digging through.
 
@ewwhite yah it's been kinda sparse which is why I've been in /review so much
 
I have lots of questions to ask... but haven't had a chance to focus on writing them out.
@voretaq7 is it hard to find good tech talent in this area?
This is the complaint I'm hearing from the places I'm meeting here.
 
3:42 AM
@voretaq7 professional ethics? =)
@voretaq [aborted] needs to be burninated
 
Voting to close...
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Q: Fastest way to delete millions of files on an Isilon IQ 72NL SAN?

UninspiredThis question has been asked a number of times in general linux terms and in relation to certain file systems, but I have not seen the question asked about this specific brand/model SAN. So, the question is: What's the fastest way to delete millions of files (JPGs ranging from 1-15MB) on an Isilo...

 
@ewwhite NY/NYC? Yeah. THe real talent is either happy where they are or working for financial houses and unhireable for less than $250k/yr
@Adrian is it on the bad tags list?
 
@voretaq7 Trading is ridiculous at times. These start-ups here are doing some interesting things.
 
@voretaq7 Dunno, just saw it pop up on a bounty question. Was the only question on it b4 I retagged the Q. Does the system deal with that automatically?
 
@Adrian yeah it will reap it eventually
 
3:47 AM
@voretaq7 Ah. Cool.
 
I'm so desperate for questions to answer I'm being nice to n00bs.
(seriously the lack of basic networking knowledge is starting to worry me)
 
Like the one Iain closed?
I need to buy a server that will make networking a lot.
I can hardly paste that with a straight face.
 
I'll ask some questions.
 
@Adrian like the guy who wants to route traffic based on hostname using pf (and one IP)
 
@voretaq7 linky so I can point & laugh?
 
3:57 AM
I had a ZFS/nexenta question that bugged the hell out of me last night.
and there's nobody to ask :(
 
If one more motherfucking email "validator" tells me an email with a + is not valid, I'm going to introduce a chainsaw to the author's face.
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I wanted to say something about chainsaw rape but thought that might be too much for most of my followers on Twitter.
 
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Q: Route ssh traffic based on hostname using FreeBSD/pf?

Kelso.bI have a proxy/firewall machine running FreeBSD 9, using PF to route and filter traffic as needed. Now I'm setting up a git server, which runs over ssh, but I'm already using port 22 for ssh. I would like to route traffic from any IP to port 22 to another machine, if the hostname they used to re...

 
@MikeyB For years I could only sporadically email a friend of mine. He had a leading '-' in his username and half of the time emails to him bounced from my outbound servers as illegal addresses. Was rather irritating.
 
@MikeyB Origin from EA are terrible with + addresses
My purchase of ME3 was free because their suystem was fucked. When you validate, it goes and puts your email address as a GET param in another URL
 
4:01 AM
But obviously a + is interpreted as a space by their stupid-ass system
So it let me register, but then I couldn't do jack shit after then because their system couldn't find my account wiht a + in the address
 
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Q: Using a regular expression to validate an email address

acrosmanOver the years I have slowly developed a regular expression that validates MOST email addresses correctly, assuming they don't use an IP address as the server part. Currently the expression is: ^[_a-z0-9-]+(\.[_a-z0-9-]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(\.[a-z0-9-]+)*(\.[a-z]{2,4})$ I use this in several PHP pro...

 
@Andrew I'm not sure I can parse that sober.
 
@Adrian I don't speak Perl :P
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A: Using a regular expression to validate an email address

AbigailIt's easy in perl 5.10 or newer: /(?(DEFINE) (?<address> (?&mailbox) | (?&group)) (?<mailbox> (?&name_addr) | (?&addr_spec)) (?<name_addr> (?&display_name)? (?&angle_addr)) (?<angle_addr> (?&CFWS)? < (?...

 
@Andrew I don't speak Perl when I'm sober either. Thankfully doing IT for Social Services, nobody really checks for that very often.
Of course, if I'm verbalizing my Perl, I need to either stop drinking or finish the job off and pass out.
 
@Andrew You don't use a regex to validate email addresses unless the regex is /.+/
 
4:06 AM
or HTML :)
 
@Andrew HTML is not a regular language.
Email addresses are a regular language, but you'll never get the regex right
 
@voretaq7 Well, it's an abomination too. Let's not forget that.
 
The Perl5 one looks interesting, it looks like it actually declares the RFC822 grammar
 
@Adrian yes, but that has nothing to do with why you can't validate it by regex.
I mean Javascript is an abomination, but I can validate that with a regex...
 
@voretaq7 No argument there. Isn't it rather late there too?
 
4:08 AM
@Andrew If you're validating an email address with a regex in Perl you're doing it RETARDED. (email::valid is The One True Path)
@Adrian midnight
probably be up for another hour or so
 
Very likely
 
@voretaq7 Urgh. People in this town start getting up at 5am. Definitely an early morning rather than a late night town.
 
@Adrian yeah, not for me
if I get up before 0600 someone better be dying, and it damn well better be someone I like!
(or hate enough to want to watch)
 
@voretaq7 Hell, I think there's exactly 2 24-hour restaurants left in this town that aren't casinos.
 
We have diners
 
4:11 AM
@voretaq7 I know, I miss the diners in Rochester. Even place likes Denny's shut at 10pm most nights. The really nice restaurants are often shut down by 10 unless they're primarily a bar, and those often close the regular menu at 9.
We flew into SeaTac at 9pm once and had to drive 5 miles to find anything that wasn't a casino or fast food.
 
bleh
 
@MarkHenderson Come to think of it, I registered with a +origin address but didn't have problems. Probably because I used a retail copy.
 
@MikeyB ahh. Yeah i was attempting to actually purchase it via their web interface
 
I have given up on using + email addresses
 
@Adrian No shortage of 24 hour diners around here :)
 
4:17 AM
which is why my sendmail.mc has this in it:
SLocal_localaddr
R$+ - *			$#local $@ $&h $: $1
R$+ - $*		$#local $@ - $2 $: $1 - *
 
@MichaelHampton Back home I never even used to bother going to the diner until 1am. Can't find but 2 now and the wait time for those 2 is about 90 minutes most nights.
Who the fsck wants to get to a diner at 1am and have to wait until 2:30 to order?
 
@Adrian there should NEVER be a wait at 0230!
^^ Alt text.
 
@Adrian Drunks.
 
@MichaelHampton Drunks won't wait.
 
@voretaq7 Oh yes they will :)
 
4:24 AM
@voretaq7 There's quite literally 28 tables of 24-hour diner service in this town. And there's a LOT of university students.
 
@Adrian they should be studying anatomy goddamnit!
or chemistry!
or BOTH!
 
Do you guys use Alt-arrow combinations to navigate text?
Random, but I'm trying to change typing habits.
 
oh xkcd is in the feeds now?
@ewwhite only on macs.
 
@ewwhite I use Ctrl-arrow keys in vim :)
 
4:32 AM
Not available on PCs?
 
WTF, I use Linux :P
And none of that ridiculous GNOME 3 crap either. I went back to KDE when that shit came out.
 
@MichaelHampton you should us UNITY!
<dreamy eyes>
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, but then I'd have to use Ubuntu, and I'd rather dive into a swimming pool filled with double edged razor blades.
 
@MichaelHampton OH YOU CARE!
But c'mon - You could be running Pornographic Pangolin right now -- oh the things the anteater can do with its tongue!
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No thanks, I'll leave the pederasty to others.
Well that was the wrong word.
 
4:36 AM
@MichaelHampton YOU MAKE MARK SHUTTLEWORTH CRY!
 
Ask me if I give a shit.
 
Well if it's not deliberate then I just lost a lot of respect for you...
 
If what's not deliberate?
 
@MichaelHampton making shuttleworth cry.
 
Haha. I can't say I'd pass up the opportunity, but I'm not obsessed with making him cry.
 
4:39 AM
I want to cause him pain and misery equal to what he's caused me.
Unfortunately as a signatory to the Geneva conventions, I can't.
 
hjkl
 
@StackExchange That is subtle… nice!
 
gt/gT
 
@voretaq7 I have one lonely Ubuntu 10.04LTS "server" among all my CentOS and Oracle Linux boxes. It was an experiment gone terribly wrong, and next month I get to stick a knife in it.
 
@MichaelHampton the word you are looking for is zoophilia
 
4:51 AM
@MichaelHampton yay!
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes, but it doesn't start with a "P".
 
5:08 AM
personally dosen't get all the hate for debian derived distributions
 
@JourneymanGeek apt/dpkg.
 
which, least for me, is mostly trouble free.
and is one of the reasons i like debian derivatives ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Ha, wait until it fails. They have some... bizarre failure modes. And I hope you never have to actually build a dpkg from source. It's obnoxious.
Here's one of those bizarre failure modes now.
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Q: libreadline6-dev broken package error

MakiOS: Debian Squeeze x64 running on XenServer Have been googling the error with no luck (or I just fail at googling); any help on resolving this? Any would be greatly appreciated! -Also posted on WebHostingTalk with no luck yet (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1177066) Some package...

 
@MDMarra - did you ever get your Mountain Lion key?
 
@MichaelHampton I've written packaging for both Debs and RPMs, and dealt with both systems, and dpkg/apt is far more sane than rpm/yum IMHO.
 
5:18 AM
I'm still waiting on mine from Apple
 
@MichaelHampton He hosed his install by mixing stable and unstable dependencies, heh.
 
@ShaneMadden That's so common there really should be a canonical question we can mark it as a duplicate of.
 
@MichaelHampton Is it? I'm finding... one other.
 
@ShaneMadden I swear I've seen three or four in the last week.
 
No wait, there's some more. The trick was using google instead of SE search.
 
5:28 AM
Though one was on SU, so it doesn't count...
SE search is useless. Default "OR"?!?
 
@MichaelHampton Yeah, messing with what major version you're pointing your repo at kicks you pretty far from the realm of "professional"
 
@ShaneMadden It's Debian, where "stable" all too often means "ancient". So I can understand why people do it.
 
@MichaelHampton done that with checkinstall once or twice, very rarely needed to do a build of custom software, only for my ipv6 client i think
@MichaelHampton : which is one reason i went the ubuntu route. Debian's got predictable releases now as well
 
If I could predict the next Red Hat release, I'd be much happier.
 
@MichaelHampton: thats one thing for having fixed, predictable release cycles, makes planning replacements easier
(that said, next personal server build will be centos, since i need to learn me the way of the red hatter)
 
5:33 AM
Bleh. Debian. Of course, Our Lenny probably sucks because of the way our Devs did the install. Everything they do is a one-off that's worked on only until it works and then it's to be frozen permanently with no updates.
 
ugh
that would suck whatever the distro
 
I deploy web apps, I HAVE to follow PHP and MySQL updates. At least minor version updates.
 
We do web-apps too. We just don't bother updating PHP or Postgres.
 
@MichaelHampton Not using the RHEL packages, then?
 
php 5.2 and postgres 8.1.5, iirc
 
5:35 AM
@ShaneMadden Oh hell no.
 
@MichaelHampton Was gonna say - speaking of ancient stable software, heh.
 
@ShaneMadden Right now all the web servers are on EL6 with the remi repo for PHP and MySQL. I got rid of the last EL5 boxes last week.
(Actually Oracle Linux, but who's counting?)
 
isn't oracle yet another red hat rebuild?
 
@MichaelHampton Lucky guy. I think I've got some RHEL3 boxes in a dark corner somewhere.
 
5:42 AM
@JourneymanGeek Mostly so. They have their own kernel which you can optionally use though, for additional features/drivers.
 
@JourneymanGeek Yup, it is
 
And they're a bit faster to get the updates out than CentOS.
 
I think we had a windows XP system running a apache/python/mysql based teleradiology server at one point
cringed
 
@ShaneMadden Dang. Worst I have to deal with is an old Fedora Core 4 box. It gets logged into 3-4x/year, so I rarely know if it's even up.
 
actually, since we're closing down, i need to check with dad at some point so that he keeps some of the old systems in case we need old office data
 
5:44 AM
I've spent all summer refreshing everything I can, so hopefully I won't have any old ticking time bombs lurking in closets...
 
or walled up, all alone, in the dark... like the mythical netware server ;p
 
Netware is still around?!?
 
lol
you don't know that urban myth?
 
I don't think so.
 
6:19 AM
Yep, that was ancient history all right. IT does sort of sound familiar though.
 
Can someone quickly double-check my maths? My brain is mush
64Kbps bandwidth == maximum of 675MB/day, right?
 
bc says 675 as well.
 
@MichaelHampton Cool
Home time for me, thanks
 
6:48 AM
G'day
 

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