The Comms Room

12:00 AM

@MichaelHampton You really that's gonna lose you rep? On that site? OK then.

@MichaelHampton I see that 21 SATA disk RAID5 volume now. My inner sadist is practically giggling like a schoolgirl. Thanks for that.

Michael Hampton

Wait, wasn't the SE source open sourced?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Nope?

There were a bunch of poor clones though

Michael Hampton

Yeah, I figured that out. It was the Data Explorer that was open sourced.

ewwhite

close or no?

4

Q: For L2ARC and ZIL: is it better to have one large SSD for both, or two smaller SSDs?

Main references ZFS L2ARC (Brendan Gregg) (2008-07-22) and ZFS and the Hybrid Storage Concept (Anatol Studler's Blog) (2008-11-11) include the following image: Question Should I interpret the vertical white line – at the SSDs layer – as a preference to use separate SSDs – a preference to...

Michael Hampton

Oh wait, SE uses .NOT anyway, and I'm net doing that.

@ewwhite It seems to be a good theoretical question, but the practical part seems to be absent.

I presume that he's setting up something at the university where he works, but...

HopelessN00b

12:17 AM

@ewwhite Seems like he's put enough effort into it that I'd be willing to overlook the lack of a practical component, or at least give him time to put one in before close-voting.

Michael Hampton

I left a comment to that effect.

Welcome to Server Fault. As the FAQ states, we prefer practical, answerable questions based on specific problems that you face. That said, you've gone over a lot of theory and discussion here, but the thing that seems to be missing is the problem you're trying to solve. Add the practical details, and this has the makings of a great question. — Michael Hampton 4 mins ago

I'm looking at SE clones, and some of them look really good, but as I think about this more, I'm not convinced that serveritsyourfault.com should be a Q&A site.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton What are you thinking then?

Honestly it does seem a bit redundant to make a competitor to SF when we can't even get smart people here :p

Michael Hampton

I mean, it could, but for what it'll likely be used for, perhaps some sort of blog/forum combination would work better.

HopelessN00b

Depends on why. If the n00bs and touchy-feely crap drive off the smart admins... well, that could be solved with a competitor.

Not saying I think it'll work or is worth the effort, mind you, but just sayin'.

Say, either of you guys pumped about the new XCOM?

Michael Hampton

Right, if I'm going to do much with this, it should have a reasonable chance of success. So: Define the problem we're trying to solve.

HopelessN00b

12:28 AM

Uh? Too much coddling of n00bs and retards expected at SE. Not sure how you'd solve that, though, so bitching about it, and that definition are the extent of my expertise on the situation.

Michael Hampton

12:43 AM

OK, I put up a coming soon page.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I likes

Michael Hampton

It's even IPv6 enabled. I thought of everything. :)

Shane Madden

12:57 AM

I don't think coddling is really expected - if that were the case, there'd be no option to down-vote.

Mark Henderson

I still like my idea about vote-roulette. Make your honest comment, and if it's selected by popular opinion, it gets posted to the live site

Shane Madden

Problem there is that the ones that will get upvotes will be the funny ones, not the measured responses that are much more effective at getting the point across without bruising egos.

Michael Hampton

I'm not sure, but I think @ShaneMadden missed the whole serveritsyourfault.com thing.

Mark Henderson

@ShaneMadden Correct. hence why it's roulette.

:p

(I'm only 50% serious by the way. As a mod I'm meant to make sure that only the good content gets on the site. Encouraging a site specifically to make noise on bad content, well, thats quite the conflict)

Michael Hampton

Indeed, I wouldnt' want to implement something like that anyway. Now, a separate site that calls out stupid stuff.. I'm all for that :)

Journeyman Geek

1:06 AM

This has me wondering

Is there a meta post on noob coddling from the site user perspective?

Shane Madden

@JourneymanGeek Many. Any of the "why did you ___ my question?"

Journeyman Geek

I mean for the wider issue ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, there's a few hundred of those as well.

Chris S

Chris Buechler

1.4k 3 6

pfsense firewall freebsd routing vpn networking pf

^Co-Founder of pfSense... I wonder what other users we have lurking.

Journeyman Geek

and bloop

one of my answers got deleted o0

Mark Henderson

1:16 AM

@JourneymanGeek Whcih one?

Journeyman Geek

serverfault.com/a/422365/33193

Mark Henderson

wtf?

Journeyman Geek

gonna go ask on meta. Isn't about the rep, I'd like to know what's wrong

Mark Henderson

Deleted by "Community"?

Journeyman Geek

precisely

Mark Henderson

1:16 AM

Thats the same issue someone had on Sunday I think

Michael Hampton

locked by Community♦ 7 hours ago
deleted 7 hours ago

Mark Henderson

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Q: Why was a question I answered automatically deleted?

A few minutes ago I noticed the mysterious disappearance of 65 reputation from my Server Fault account. On looking into it, I found that this question, which I'd answered last month, had been deleted. Strangely, though, it doesn't seem to have been deleted by a moderator or the community, but aut...

support bug status-bydesign specific-question deleted-questions

Journeyman Geek

worth asking about?

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson That was a bit different; the whole question was deleted.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Oh

Michael Hampton

1:19 AM

Hm, two of the three answers were deleted, but one wasn't. It seems to let me edit the answer, but not the question.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Is it locked?

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I think it's worth a meta post. Something real funny happened there.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek - sounds like you have a gen-u-wine case for meta

Journeyman Geek

posted meta.serverfault.com/questions/3718/where-did-i-go-wrong-here

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson It seems that the question and two deleted answers are locked, but the not-deleted answer is editable. Though I haven't actually tried to save an edit to it.

Chris S

1:20 AM

@MarkHenderson It's a closed migration, the whole thing should have got axed, not sure why only two answers did.

If a Question is migrated in, then closed, ~40 days later it gets deleted automatically.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Sounds like something went wrong

Chris S

@MarkHenderson When DevOps Attack!

Journeyman Geek

blames markdown

HopelessN00b

Seems to be a disincentive to actually helping idiots or n00bs (who initially post on the wrong site).

Why bother answering a migrated question if there's a good chance it's gonna get auto-nuked anyway?

Michael Hampton

That reminds me to ask my follow-up question on MSO

HopelessN00b

1:25 AM

So, on the one hand, be nicer to n00bs and idiots, on the other hand, we auto-nuke their stuff anyway. Hurrah for consistency.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Forget the meta question, I found it. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/138458/…

Journeyman Geek

hm, I don't see an obvious answer tho

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton So basically @JourneymanGeek's answers must have been posted before the migration?

Journeyman Geek

@HopelessN00b: Which one am I? n00b or idiot? ;p

Michael Hampton

Right. I posted an answer on the mSF question.

Journeyman Geek

1:28 AM

so strange

Do i repost, or get a mod to fix it?

or just not bother... come to think of it

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek Neither. A user who's suffering a disincentive to help idiot n00bs, because your answers are getting auto-nuked.

Journeyman Geek

lol

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek You can flag it for undeletion.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek It's status-bydesign

I expanded my answer

Journeyman Geek

works for me ;p

HopelessN00b

1:31 AM

@MichaelHampton Which is developer-speak for undesired behavior we don't feel like fixing.

Journeyman Geek

(flagging is good. cause $deity knows how irate i get when I flag crap)

Michael Hampton

Right.

@HopelessN00b I'm not saying it's GOOD, I'm saying it's what the developers did.

HopelessN00b

I know. Just pointing out that's it's a bug by another name.

Journeyman Geek

Its developers

Its a whole different language ;p

Kinda like the guy who hangs out at a python beginners class bitching about how C is better ._.

Shane Madden

This whole "nuke stuff from closed migrations" thing seems dumb. Why not just let the normal autodelete kick in for stuff that gets autodeleted, and leave stuff alone (and closed) if it has upvoted answers?

Journeyman Geek

1:34 AM

(and this is one reason I'd rather be a sysadmin than a programmer. Programming languages are another tool, like bash, or a screwdriver, not a religion)

HopelessN00b

@ShaneMadden because lazy developers.

Journeyman Geek

@ShaneMadden: and let the community in question handle it (tm)

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Quite the opposite, I'm sure it was a lot of work to get that content deleted on close

More like a poor decision trying to fix an issue that isn't broken

Shane Madden

@MarkHenderson That.

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Right... Because anal developers creating solutions to non-problems.

Mark Henderson

1:36 AM

As far as I'm concerned, if someone has to post a meta question asking why their perfectly good answer was deleted, that's something broken that needs fixing

Irony being that if they hadn't "fixed" something in the first place, they wouldn't have created a bigger break

HopelessN00b

Mmm... anal developers. Might be a bearable thing if more developers were women.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b 66.6% of our programming workforce is female

Journeyman Geek

oh, crap. I have two more courses starting up at once

facepalm

might drop one, darn coursera's wierd timing of stuff

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Between that and your hot cousins, maybe I should start job hunting in the land of AUS. Hmmm.

Journeyman Geek

1:38 AM

@MarkHenderson: yay

(If nothing else, cause of that darn myth that tech is a sausage factory)

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Haha I think where I work is not a typical gender ratio for the industry

Also our sample size is fairly small

Journeyman Geek

3? ;p

Chris S

In my somewhat limited experience, I don't get along with females who are in the computer field... It's for a variety of reasons, but I've never worked out at any level.

Adrian

afternoon gents

Michael Hampton

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Q: When should rejected migrations not be deleted on the destination site?

I am proposing that in some circumstances a rejected migration should not be automatically deleted from the destination site. In the case where all of the following are true: The question has a score of 0 or higher, counting only votes cast on the destination site, and The question received at...

feature-request migration deleted-questions migrated-questions rejected-questions

Mark Henderson

1:54 AM

@JourneymanGeek Correct, 3 :p

@ChrisS The girls here are very level headed and I love working with them, they get shit done

Journeyman Geek

I think its personality. ;p

Mark Henderson

But we're not a very masculine place. We don't sniff eachothers farts or work with our cocks out or make sexist jokes

Journeyman Geek

I usually get along well with females ;p

Chris S

I'd never complain about working with someone who gets their stuff done... Doesn't mean I like them on a personal level.

Adrian

@ChrisS Aye. GSD is highly under-rated.

Mark Henderson

1:58 AM

@ChrisS ahah yeah there's a new guy who started working here. I don't think I would hang out with him outside of work, but he gets shit done

HopelessN00b

Gah. Someone upvoted this answer...:

0

A: SCSI vs SATA? Is SCSI "actually" better?

In the past, you knew you had a SCSI drive because it weighed more. What made them better were higher spindle speed, higher data transfer rate, larger buffer, command queueing, a heavier flywheel and a more powerful motor to spin that sucker. Now, many of those benefits have been incorporated in...

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Downvote into oblivion!

HopelessN00b

~"these days, SATA's more or less the same as SCSI."

<shudder>

Mark Henderson

Let's see if we can set a new record for collecting -'s

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson I left a comment and a downvote... but I can't use my other 30 downvotes on it, as I'd like.

Chris S

2:01 AM

@HopelessN00b Yeah, there really are those people out there.

Adrian

I need to find the link to some of ewwhite's posts about SATA vs. SAS and add them as links in comments to that horrid answer.

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS Nothing wrong with those people (I have a too big RAID5 array on SATA disks myself), until they start doing that crap professionally.

Chris S

I didn't mean people who know when a SATA RAID5 array is appropriate. People who don't understand technical differences so they waive them off as if there were none.

Michael Hampton

Why in hell is that question even open?

Chris S

I'm not sure it should be closed... But you're welcome to VTC

Michael Hampton

2:06 AM

NC

It's not "likely" to "solicit debate, arguments, polling, or extended discussion".. it DID

Chris S

Yeah... I'm scrubbing some of that out now.

It shouldn't have. It's answerable, with facts, and without myths or "gut feelings"

Michael Hampton

At least protect it

Chris S

done

Mark Henderson

So @ChrisS - what's going on with mod flags lately? A month ago you and @Iain were at 300+/month, now it's down to typical levels again (and I don't look so bad with my pissy # of handled flags)

Was there some insane flag storm that I missed?

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Yup.

Chris S

2:12 AM

I've been busy as F at work, school, home... So my count is down.

HopelessN00b

Some n00b and some porcupine decided to get Marshall badges.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, that's what happened. We spiked the flag count.

HopelessN00b

voretaq was in here every other day complaining about the flag queues during that period, as I recall.

Michael Hampton

There's probably still hundreds or even thousands of bits of crap that we never got to.

Adrian

Ooh. I need to spend some time on the review page too.

Chris S

2:15 AM

I'm not sure it was just you two. We had 5.3k flags over the last 90 days; but only <1k flags over the last 30 days. That's a pretty massive difference

HopelessN00b

Bastards! There's a limit on the number of reviews you can do per day. >:/

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Not in the beginning there wasn't

I did over 1,000 reviews in a asingle day

Chris S

@MarkHenderson You've still got twice as many flags total.

Mark Henderson

Hence why I now have a nice gold badge to go with my efforts

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS I raised over 1000 flags in a few weeks trying to get Marshall, actually.

Mark Henderson

2:16 AM

@ChrisS Thats only because of time. Give it another 6-12 months I'm sure you'll catch up

HopelessN00b

Thank you for reviewing 100 First Posts today; come back in 21 hours to continue reviewing

:(

Chris S

I suppose if three people did 1000 flags "extra" those months, that'd explain it.

We average about 1000 flags per month typically.

Mark Henderson

I had a good time dealing with flags when Chopper3 retired. All of a sudden it went from being 0 or 1 flag in the queue when I logged on to being 20 waiting for me when I woke up

Chris S

@HopelessN00b They want you to share with others... That page is usually littered with crap.

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS Sharing? What the hell kind of crazy communists run this place?!?!

:D

Chris S

2:18 AM

@HopelessN00b Developers

Mark Henderson

Whoah, this review system is smart. It's giving me all the content from my favourite tags

So what happens when you run out of votes for the day, but you still have review flags left. Are you then forbidden from continuing because you can't +1 good things before moving on?

Michael Hampton

Then why do I keep getting Windows questions?

@MarkHenderson Yeah, it says you have run out of close votes, come back in XXX.

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Yeah, the queues they expect you to be voting on are locked for you when you run out of votes too.

@MichaelHampton It's a filter option. You obviously don't have your queue filtered.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton No idea but I just got 10 Powershell questions in a row. No way is that coincidence

Michael Hampton

Not reviewing right now. Trying to decide which of three SE clones to play with first.

Adrian

2:25 AM

I almost think this one is NARQ:

0

Q: What is the maximum virtual disk size in KVM

We have a server with 12 TB hard disk. I am planning to install KVM. The question is how much maximum disk space one vm can use? I need 5 TB vm disk. is it possible?

linux centos kvm-virtualization virtual-disk

Chris S

@Adrian No syntax error found; question detected.

HopelessN00b

Oh. :(

Guess I'm the only one who liked that question, then.

Michael Hampton

I remember seeing it, and I took a quick look around, but couldn't find the answer, and never got back to it.

HopelessN00b

Why wouldn't you want to see how many TBs you could cram onto a KVM volume?

Adrian

I'm not entirely sure it's answerable. If he HAS an error, it should be posted. As it is, it's just engendering speculation. I certainly have never seen any sign of a coded limitation on a KVM virtual disk.

HopelessN00b

2:28 AM

@Adrian What about my answer? It's completely answerable and answered. :p

Chris S

@Adrian Sure it is, there's got to be a piece of code somewhere that limits the size of the volume.... I'm way too lazy to go looking for it.

HopelessN00b

up to 2TB if old, up to 16 TB if current/recent.

Chris S

@HopelessN00b That's not necessarily KVM's limit, though it's the practical answer to his question.

Adrian

Except that KVM isn't the default hypervisor in CentOS 5. The appropriate response would be based around CentOS 6.

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS Yeah, pretty sure the current KVM limit is whatever the FS can handle, ever since they deep-sixed the 2TB limit, but can't say for sure without fun testing I don't have time for ATM. :(

Adrian

2:31 AM

I'm pretty sure the answer is the maximum file size of the hypervisor OS.

Chris S

Well there's a data structure somewhere that holds the byte/block/whatever count of the drive that's being presented to the client. So whatever size that is, that's the biggest KVM can pass through. It's probably an int64 sector count...

Adrian

I think the problem is that you can't answer that question without assuming what OS he's talking about. The virtualization module isn't the limiting factor, which makes it a bad question.

If someone finds a kernel version-agnostic and distribution-agnostic canonical answer, I will gladly eat my plate of crow.

That said, I think the @HopelessN00b 's answer is good enough for an upvote. But I don't think that question as currently phrased is sufficiently answerable that an 'Accept' tick could ever be dropped on one of its answers.

HopelessN00b

*shrug*

Definitely not a great question, but the bit at the end makes it answerable, IMO.

`I need 5 TB vm disk. is it possible?`

Chris S

Well look at it this way, the OP could still make it Noob's answer as correct; and nobody else get's to submit an answer, so he's got a monopoly on possibly correct answers.

HopelessN00b

2:46 AM

I'm underwhelmed with the anticipation.

Adrian

Heh.

HopelessN00b

Oh, hey, while you're here, @ChrisS , we have cmd and cmd.exe Mergage would be nice.

Chris S

done

Adrian

sweet

HopelessN00b

@Adrian Now go use some of close boats.

@ChrisS thanks... my work is done. Guess I'll hit the sack. So I'm ready for work. sigh

Adrian

2:52 AM

hehehehehehe =D

rub hands

Michael Hampton

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Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I interpreted it more as "Server, it's your fault!" but that works too :p

Adrian

OMG. 1300 questions needing a VTC?

Mark Henderson

@Adrian yeah I saw that too :(

Ward

I'm curious how the counting of VTC reviews works, I show 993. Oh, wait, I've reviewed more, I guess...

Michael Hampton

3:06 AM

Your own personal number goes down when you review posts. And of course, the master number goes down when questions are closed.

Adrian

ah!

I WANT that gold badge.

Michael Hampton

So I take it @Adrian just hit 3K and just got access to the shiny new tools. That means there's about 1300 posts left in the queue.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Yep.

Interesting. @MichaelHampton That redirecting all traffic through the Tor Network with IPTables would be a great question with the specifics of Anonymity networking taken out.

Otherwise, IMHO, it's kinda OT here.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian What question is that again?

Mark Henderson

Aaannnnd I'm out of votes for the day. Damn you review!

Adrian

3:11 AM

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Q: How can I block all traffic *except* Tor?

On a Linux system, is there a way to block all in and outbound traffic unless it passes through the Tor network. This includes any form of IP communication, not just TCP connections. For example I want UDP to be completely blocked since it cannot pass through Tor. I want this systems Internet us...

linux iptables tor

Michael Hampton

@Adrian I dunno, I would have thought it OT too, but every time I see a question about Tor on SF, it always gets lots of upvotes.

Adrian

Jesus. I'm going to be spending the next 2 weeks geeking out about question posting protocols while my boss is out of town.

Michael Hampton

That, and there are businesses in which using Tor is required.

Adrian

Do they involve things that aren't illegal?

Michael Hampton

Yes.

One big user of Tor is news organizations, even in the US.

Adrian

3:13 AM

Ah. Interesting.

For prevention of tracking undisclosed sources?

Michael Hampton

Yes, and keeping prepublication work away from hostile eyes.

Adrian

Ah. Interesting.

Michael Hampton

This is very important when a journalist is working in a country where there is no freedom of the press, such as China, Iran or the U.S.

Adrian

Ok. Makes sense. Though one might think VPNs would do that, but that stuff's probably blocked too.

Michael Hampton

The CEO might even be using Tor.

torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en

Michael Hampton

3:28 AM

@Adrian Hell, YOUR organization probably has valid use cases for Tor.

Adrian

Our communications is all with partner agencies and government entities with which we have legal agreements with. SSL encryption over public networks is good enough.

Evenin' @ewwhite. Bumped into an old friend last night. Dev with DevOps sysadmin duties for a place down in LA.

Gave me some food for though. Might be time to work toward switching over to a Dev focus from a systems focus.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian Don't do it!

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Actually, we have a similar issue here. We get fresh wet behind the ears social workers right out of school with no perspective. I love it when we hire people out of our own housing programs who went back to school and got a degree. They're much more realistic about how the world works and what are realistic expections of our clients.

Ward

For all you people burning through close votes in /Review... Do you see this bug on your last vote?

1

Q: When reviewing close votes, last review is not counted

I have used up all my votes a few times while /Reviewing close votes. A couple of times (that I've noticed, maybe it happens every time), when I've used my last vote to close while reviewing, that review hasn't been counted. It happened again today, and I took some screen shots to verify this b...

bug vote-to-close review-beta

Michael Hampton

@Adrian That's not what I mean. I mean, if you keep going down that path, soon you'll be deploying your code straight to production every 10 minutes in all its buggy goodness.

Adrian

3:36 AM

@MichaelHampton Nah. I'm a flatlander. I've still got standards.

Michael Hampton

So anyway, Tor is something that's used in a professional capacity, strange as that seems.

Adrian

I went and read the Tor Network's page. makes perfect sense now.

Michael Hampton

I added a comment with a link to that page to the question. Hopefully people will notice...

Adrian

So how do you deal with questions where you disagree with the provided reason for closing? I have one question that I think is ON Topic, but is NARQ

Michael Hampton

@Adrian You cast a NARQ close vote

@MarkHenderson Did you once use the name Farseeker?

Mark Henderson

3:46 AM

@MichaelHampton I did

For about a year when the site first launched

Adrian

@MichaelHampton hmm. will have to dig around more.

Mark Henderson

Find an old comment directed at Farseeker did you?

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson You might be interested in this, then.

Nope, 49 of them.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Can I ask what series of events led to you doing a search on my old username? lol

Michael Hampton

I was reading through some random person's questions and noticed this answer.

Adrian

3:47 AM

feels wierd reviewing questions that I know I flagged for closure.

Mark Henderson

What kind of dipshit wrote this crappy question?

2

Q: Running SQL Server 2008 with an Equallogic PS-series

We've currently got a dedicated Microsoft SQL Server 2008 R2 server that's quickly running out of disk space. The server is hammered 24/7 pretty much and unfortunately requires a lot of IO to keep running smoothly. We're considering purchasing a Dell Equallogic PS6010 and get some 10GbE equipmen...

sql-server-2008-r2 equallogic

Clooosseeeee

Adrian

Been wondering...So mods can hammer questions closed by virtue of being mods?

Michael Hampton

@Adrian Yup.

Mark Henderson

@Adrian We're not meant to

We're only meant to act on flagged content

Michael Hampton

They're only supposed to do it to the extra crappy questions.

Mark Henderson

3:56 AM

But sometimes you see something thats just crying for a mod hammer

Adrian

So you hammered your own question closed from 2 years ago?

Mark Henderson

@Adrian Why not. It's not the first time I hammered my own question

I asked a few questions that were on topic when there was no such thing as off-topic

Adrian

Seems odd. Nothing wrong with that. Just seems weird. =)

Mark Henderson

But since the scope got nailed down a lot more I'm keen to cut my own fat

@Adrian Self moderation :) I do have one of the highest question counts of any user on the site

Michael Hampton

OK, I've narrowed it down to two SE clones.

Stack Exchange

4:00 AM

Facebook, Apple, and Google all got away with their monopolist power grabs because they don't have any 'S's in their names for critics to snarkily replace with '$'s.

Mark Henderson

data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/81892

man that data is reallllly old

So, this guy:

Webnet

1.1k 1 8 24

linux ubuntu apache2 mysql php svn virtualhost

216 questions, which is fine, but only 15 answers and 74 votes

I wonder if we should have some sort of contact notice for people who don't upvote answers on their own questions

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson You see much more than I do. I only see 173 questions and 13 answers. Obviously a significant percentage of them were deleted.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Yeah I'd say so

That also explains the discrepancy in data.se and what I see

Michael Hampton

OK, the ruby app doesn't seem to have a developer community around it, or I can't find it, so I'm left with one SE clone. Now onward and upward!

Mark Henderson

So I was thinking in bed last night, trying to get to sleep, if I'm ever in the situation where I have my own DC (and I don't mean a DC like how most of us use the term, I mean a full blown fucking datacenter that consumes an entire floor of a building and makes money) I'm going to find an old Cray supercomputer and put it in the foyer

Those fuckers looked good. Why don't they make good looking hardware like that any more?

Michael Hampton

4:12 AM

What do you mean, that isn't a really artistic bench?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Haha well i guess you could make one out of plywood and use it as a bench, but no, if I could I would actually have it working too

And doing something reallllllly mundane, like counting the number of times the doors open

Michael Hampton

Mark Henderson

Or running an LCD panel or something

@MichaelHampton Oh that one looks better than the photos I usually see of a purple one

I mean sure, modular 19" rack equipment saves space and money and is efficient at cooling

But it's not sexy

Michael Hampton

Well, don't buy a current Cray then, they're all in 19" racks

...and they run SuSE

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I thought Cray were dead? Well anyway no I want a cray-1

Michael Hampton

4:17 AM

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Q: Signed driver when started gives, error 577

When I start my driver on Win 2008 Server x64 version, it gives error 577. With XP x86 it works fine but probably Xp x86 doesn't care about driver signing. Don't know if there's an issue with inf. What could be wrong here ?

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WTF is this doing here?

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson blogs.msdn.com/b/volkerw/archive/2008/09/16/…

@MichaelHampton That is puzzling. SO doesn't migrate crap.

Michael Hampton

An SO diamond migrated that.

HopelessN00b

Tempted to create a couple new tags. so-does-not-migrate-crap and nuke-from-orbit

Michael Hampton

Last time I checked, how to sign a driver you wrote is way way over on the Dev side.

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b What the fuck?! Is Seymore Cray dead? If he is, he probably turned in his grave.

Michael Hampton

4:21 AM

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Probably. Ever used a (recent) version of MS HPC Server, though? Kinda like Server Core, IMO.... it's getting harder and harder not to respect MS as making real server OSes.

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Ok it's not as bad as I thought. But it's not sexy.

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Well, not as sexy as the orginials, though. I think it's a fair bit sexier than the standard 1, 2, and 4U servers everyone's pumping out these days.

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b This is true

I didn't realise from that MSDN blog that it's a blade enclosure

Michael Hampton

What they need to do to 19" rack servers is replace the entire front with a color LED display that shows porn videos 24x7.

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Mark Henderson

4:24 AM

It thoguht it was some squat tower server

HopelessN00b

All trapezoidy, though. Kinda nice.

Michael Hampton

It has a workstation version.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Or just an LED/LCD display with system stats and such. The things are cheap enough now, there's no excuse for having <4 square inches of display on the front of your server anymore, IMO.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I am pretty sure I've seen servers with such status displays on them, though I don't think any were made in this century.

HopelessN00b

A travesty that my fucking Droid X from 8 years ago has more screen than our quarter million dollar backup system. Like... what the hell?

@MichaelHampton Yup, back to Mark's point about the original Crays. They used to know how to make nice servers... it's more than just cramming circuits inside a box.

Michael Hampton

4:28 AM

Well, now I know how to get @HopelessN00b to star something. Just mention porn.

HopelessN00b

That wasn't me, actually.

Michael Hampton

Having a bad day? :)

HopelessN00b

I'll star it now, just to prove it, but I'm guessing that original star was Mark. :)

@MichaelHampton Kinda got other stuff on the mind ATM, actually.

Michael Hampton

So I'm thinking serveritsyourfault.com should have: a Q&A site of course, blogs for everybody above a certain reputation, and maybe some actual social networking features, like forcing everyone to read @voretaq7's twitter feed.

HopelessN00b

Sounds like it could be the thing to drag me kicking and screaming into social media, yeah.

Mark Henderson

4:32 AM

@HopelessN00b I've just been reading about what it takes to actually maintain one though. You need raised flooring and liquid cooling coming in through the floor, full customised support contracts just to boot the cunt up, about $30k/year in electricity costs, a line-interactive UPS that's capable of conditioning about 40A of 240v power, and an employee who knows how to actually access one at about $100k/year

All so you can have a 450Mhz computer the size of about 5 regular racks

HopelessN00b

Yup. Why do think Wintel and Linux took so much market from those dinosaurs so fast?

Mark Henderson

Oh and your raised flooring needs to be able to support 10 tonnes over such a small space as well

HopelessN00b

Not just upfront costs, but in TCO figures too... Just way too expensive for what you get out of them these days.

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Really? I know they were generally 10-15 years to ROI

But I can understand that. I've never had to actually interface with big-iron like that, but I know that at least one client has installed our software on AS/400

@HopelessN00b It was. shameface

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson I'm pretty sure those figures are just on the hardware, support and licensing. Once you add the rapings you take on software that runs on the damn thing, the inflated cost of hiring RPG/COBOL coders, and operators to baby-sit the thing 24/7... I don't think they ever reach ROI. Or at least, I don't know any company that has.

The selling point, back in the day was well, one, big iron was the only option, and in the case of IBM, they'd do all the computer stuff for you (for big monies), but now, they're not doing so well, at least in terms of new sales and renewals.

Mark Henderson

4:39 AM

@HopelessN00b Well I know that here our 2nd largest bank decided 6 years ago to start training their own mainframe personell rather than switch off the platform, as it was cheaper

theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/it-jobs/…

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Yup. And the companies that have big investments in mainframes will probably find it cheaper to keep using them for decades to come, but new blood getting mainframes? None. And the small portion of people who do migrate off them keep chipping away the customer base little by little.

Michael Hampton

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HopelessN00b

And speaking of massive, unsustainable sunk costs.... pretty sure this is where 10,000 hours or so of my life are going in the not-so-distant future.

Think I need a batter excuse for taking 75% of the next month off work than "cool game coming out," though. Open to suggestions, by the way.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Was there uhh, a reason for that link? :p

@HopelessN00b I heard that when Skyrim came out, an awful lot of people were not at work the next day

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Nope. No reason at all. Nope.

Mark Henderson

4:46 AM

Personally I've never found gaming a reason to take a day off work, but I did turn up late one day so that I could watch an episode of Top Gear

HopelessN00b

Yeah, but that was lame. Well, that's a little harsh, but it pissed me off. Like every Bethesda game. A massive, beautiful world that gets boring by the time you're doing learning the controls, because the only thing to do is kill stuff.

Meh.

Journeyman Geek

Why else does one game? ;p

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Oh, and SO isn't migrating crap, either.

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek Well, variety's nice. Same ol' same ol' (which describes Bethesda games to a tee) gets old fast, at least to me.

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Never played it. Never played WoW either.

Journeyman Geek

4:48 AM

@MichaelHampton: eh, borderline. We don't know if he means a driver he wrote, or a driver he uses, or a driver for himself ;p

if I had closevotes here, thats a good case for one ;p

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Not missing much. On Skyrim anyway. I got bored with it inside a week, straight up. Wouldn't know about WoW, as I've never played it.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek It's "my" driver, and he posted it on SO, so he almost certainly wrote it. In any case, it's quite rare that a sysadmin would have to sign a driver.

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek Get off yer ass and answer some shit so you can get a boost, then.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: oh, I mean, its so badly written its NARQ

@HopelessN00b: I do when I can ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Na, it's a decent enough question - for SO. Hell, I even understood it, but only because I once had to sign a Windows driver.

Mark Henderson

4:50 AM

@MichaelHampton Sent it back from whence it came

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: for it to be a good question, I'd at least want to have it clear he wrote the driver, and some idea to what kinda hardware it is

darned devs

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek I made it clear that it was just his driver. Let's see them send it back.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Context, man. Context.

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: thank you. That soothed my anal retentive streak ;p

@MichaelHampton: I'm of the opinion that If I need to rely on context, the documentation is not precise enough ;p

But then again, I've been working around engineers too long

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek We all have assumptions. If I post "I have a Linux box that is doing XYZ..." on SF, it's assumed that I'm administering the box. If I post the same thing on SU, it's assumed that I'm an idiot who shouldn't be messing with sharp objects.

Er, excuse me, I meant a power user.

Journeyman Geek

4:56 AM

@MichaelHampton: Oh, to an extent. But I think questions should have 'This is my issue, this is what i use, this is what i've tried'

Then again, this is why I fix up titles to make it less ambigious ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek OK, so this guy originally posted his question on Stack Overflow, a site for professional and enthusiast programmers. His question referred to "my driver" and "my .inf file". Is it unreasonable to assume he was referring to a driver he was developing?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: Well, it was ambigious enough that SO....

Oh ya, this is SO we're talking about, I concede that point

Michael Hampton

With the same question on Super User, I would assume that he downloaded the driver from somewhere.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Actually it would probably still need fixing up. And he'd have needed to mention what sort of hardware

Michael Hampton

If the question had originally been posted on SF, I would have had to ask for clarification, since we don't sign drivers as part of our job.

Mark Henderson

5:00 AM

@MichaelHampton I got 99 problems but Driver Signing aint one

What IS a problem is goddamn Powershell signing. Scripts written in Powershell ISE save has ASCII Big-Endian instead of UTF-8, and you can't sign Big-Endian scripts :@

Michael Hampton

Actually a couple of years ago I did have to sign a driver, back when KVM was only distributing unsigned versions of the virtio drivers for Windows, but now they're distributing signed drivers.

Shane Madden

George Stocker is sending over some really terrible migrations tonight..

Michael Hampton

@ShaneMadden Bite your tongue. Stack Overflow doesn't migrate crap.

By the way, I've got this really nice bridge for sale...cheap, too!

HopelessN00b

Don't buy MichaelHampton's bridge. It's a rip off.

Buy my timeshare instead.

Michael Hampton

If you're bored... stackoverflow.com/q/175545/1068283

freiheit

5:16 AM

@MichaelHampton Just as long as you don't migrate any cheap bridges

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HopelessN00b

@freiheit Watch the lip, boy. SO doesn't migrate cheap bridges.

Adrian

5:48 AM

WhyTF did StackOverflow migrate a question to us that the OP answered and mentioned that the answer was in his HTML and not his htaccess?

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