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nitsua60

12:01 AM

please VtC: rpg.stackexchange.com/q/77896/23970

Tashio

Already have

Not sure if there is an easy way to flag down a mod to just nuke that crap.

Short of trying to remember all of em and @ tag em

nitsua60

(testing...) tour

[tour]

come to [chat]

...(/testing)

BESW

12:19 AM

@nitsua60 That's all comment-only stuff.

However, [sitename.se] works here and in comments.

nitsua60

12:37 AM

@BESW I was checking to see if those, which I know work in comments, work here so that this could be a test-bed for whether Role-playing Games Meta might work in a comment. Do you know if that's a "magic" term also?

@doppelgreener normally I wouldn't leave a comment like that, asking you to "do my homework for me," but I seem to recall a few days back you explicitly mentioning (in here) that you like throwing together SQL calls and are happy for requests for help. If that wasn't you, I apologize for the presumptuous request.

Shalvenay

hey @nitsua60

nitsua60

@Shalvenay hey there

Shalvenay

12:52 AM

@nitsua60 how're things going?

nitsua60

First day back to work, and we had to cover classes for two colleagues who had family emergencies yesterday. Nothing like hitting the ground running....

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 heheh....

doppelgreener

1:39 AM

@nitsua60 I think that was @Miniman. I do enjoy writing SQL sometimes though, and it's nice to practice with this one.

It's been a while and it's a good skill to keep in working order.

I actually thought of that exact thing after making my other edits this morning. "Hmm, I should let people filter this down to a tag they care about. No point providing a million D&D questions to someone who only cares about Fate, if the point is to let them act on this data."

VTC off topic - real world research question.

nitsua60

@doppelgreener thanks =)

doppelgreener

1:57 AM

What's the D&D 3.5e default setting?

Magician

Greyhawk, no?

doppelgreener

i thought so.

Magician

It certainly was in 3.0, and I don't think it changed.

doppelgreener

Groovy, thanks. I just needed to clarify a question about dragons.

nitsua60

2:12 AM

@doppelgreener They don't quite (in the corebooks, which is all I have) come out and say that Greyhawk is the default, but they do say that the examples will all be drawn from Greyhawk, then they do that.

(To be clear on the sequence: examples all over the corebooks come from Greyhawk, then in the intro to ch6 of the DMG3.x they say "all the examples will be drawn from Greyhawk.")

doppelgreener

3:53 AM

@nitsua60 right, that's consistent with the closest thing I got to an answer from googling: that the default setting was derived from greyhawk. (which is different to "it's greyhawk." and was pretty confusing.)

so it's greyhawk and not greyhawk, i guess

Magician

That makes sense. They took a bunch of elements from Greyhawk, such as gods and wizard names, but never bothered to actually describe the setting itself.

Points of Light of 4e had greatly improved on this approach.

doppelgreener

it's the schrodinger's greyhawk

any part of 3e may or may not be greyhawk until you observe it and ask "wait, is that greyhawk or not?"

Magician

Does 5e have a default setting? I seem to recall it was a mish-mash of "greyhawk" and FR deities, at least.

Adeptus

@Magician I'm not sure about "default", but they seem to be focusing on FR so far

SevenSidedDie

4:21 AM

@Magician No default for the game itself (see the DMG for “there's no default, here's a bunch of setting pieces: go to town!”), but the apparent default setting for 1st-party 5e adventures is FR.

Miniman

6:26 AM

@doppelgreener @nitsua60 Twas!

@doppelgreener @nitsua60 Here's a version that displays tags and lets you require that a particular tag be present.

Sejanus

6:42 AM

Morning

Doomed Mind

morning! :)

BESW

7:42 AM

[wave]

Doomed Mind

Hi @BESW

BESW

What's new?

Doomed Mind

eh. Nothing since I came here last time xD

Hi @doppelgreener

doppelgreener

@Miniman awesome. :) Want to update the meta question link to your version?

@DoomedMind GREETINGS

BESW

Dog Eat Dog was fascinating. Not half as exhausting or terrifying as advertised, but I suspect that's because it was with a group of people who have already had meaningful conversations on the topics.

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It definitely helped people move from intellectual understanding to emotional understanding. It pushed significant conversations about important topics. It brought nebulously understood topics into stark relief. People walked out saying they felt differently about their own situations, and they were glad of it.

We wound up with Rules like Our culture is a commodity and Always agree with what you're asked to do.

BESW

8:05 AM

Totally unrelated campaign idea: The PCs run an art supply store near Miskatonic University in Arkham.

Doomed Mind

thats... specific xD

i like it.

BESW

Artists in the Mythos are especially vulnerable to Turning Weird.

Doomed Mind

yeah, no suprise...

BESW

So it seems like a very reasonable nexus for a campaign of serialised Mythos adventures.

Every session you have to get a Weird Supply for a special customer, or handle an unexpected returned item, or try to sell something before it goes out of date in the most horrific way possible...

"Hey, Jake, Mrs. Winston is trying to return a bottle of gesso, but she doesn't have the receipt."
"....Mrs. Winston died five years ago."
"YOU THINK I DON'T KNOW THAT?!"

eimyr

8:25 AM

@BESW "Hi, my paints are not out of date and stored properly, but there is some fungus in them. Can I have a refund?"

BESW

"We only offer store credit for returns because of fungal infestation."

Polyducks

Woah. That sounds amazing

Doomed Mind

in a weird manner.

Polyducks

Which system is this?

Doomed Mind

which perfectly fits

cthulhu

@Polyducks

BESW

8:28 AM

@Polyducks It's just an idea for a campaign frame that I've had. No system in mind at the moment.

Polyducks

@BESW That's great! I'm glad it worked out well for you

Ohhh it sounds like Rat on a Stick

BESW

I'm thinking Lovecraftesque might actually work well for it.

Polyducks

where the PCs run a shop in DnD

Doomed Mind

ah well, I assumed just because of the mythos.

BESW

The one poor shop owner who slowly uncovers some horror and is driven mad... and next session there's a new shop owner, with no explanation asked or given.

Polyducks

8:30 AM

I don't know if this is an official system or one our DM made up

BESW

Trial of Cthulhu would work better if it's an ongoing story instead of a series of one-shots with a shared conceit.

Polyducks

I really want to like the Cthulhu mythos, but I still can't find what makes it unique, no matter how many times it's explained.

Doomed Mind

I don't know, I think the Cthulhu system works perfectly for one-shots.

BESW

I don't know what you mean by "the Cthulhu system." Do you mean call-of-cthulhu?

@Polyducks [digs up Lovecraftesque link]

Doomed Mind

@BESW uh, yeah

eimyr

8:32 AM

@BESW Trial of Cthulhu sounds like sick BMX bike tricks underwater.

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Polyducks

haha

BESW

Whoops, *Trail.

Doomed Mind

But as a general concept anyways. that metal stability.

well, It'd work with minor alterations in many rule systems anyways

BESW

@Polyducks The Mythos is a bit hard to nail down, because it's been a shared setting across many mediums for almost 100 years. [digs for more links]

Somewhere around here I have a cosmic horror essaylet.

Polyducks

@BESW Don't worry. I get it

It's about these ancient beings that are sleeping and waiting to get woken up

when they wake up the story ends

BESW

8:35 AM

@Polyducks That's actually not really what it's about. That's a thing in the Mythos, but it's a symptom more than a feature.

Here we go! The heart of the Mythos is "cosmic horror."

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A: Did Lovecraft ever describe his fiction as 'cosmic horror'?

Yes, he used the exact phrase "cosmic horror." But not to describe the beings of which he wrote! So far as I can make out, when he mentions cosmic horror --whether in his stories or his essays-- it is the ideas, not the monsters, to which he refers. In his essay Supernatural Horror in Literatu...

eimyr

@BESW Happy to see you "enjoyed" DED.

Miniman

@doppelgreener Not necessarily - for one thing, data.SE doesn't seem to accept null parameters.

Polyducks

I thnik I've read that last time I complained about 'not getting it' haha

doppelgreener

@Miniman oh poop. Hm

BESW

Various stories and mediums interpret that differently.

doppelgreener

8:36 AM

Oh, I have an idea.

Miniman

@doppelgreener Obviously as it is now the query wouldn't either, but I tried and failed to make it optional.

BESW

While the original stories were usually about isolated individuals, the early Mythos RPGs embraced a troupe dynamic.

Lovecraft's cosmic indifference was unassailable, while the authors who picked up the Mythos after his death wrote a pulpier "shoot the darkness until it bleeds" aesthetic.

Miniman

@doppelgreener Technically specifying the tag parameter as '%' would work...data.SE parameters are weird.

BESW

@eimyr Oh yes. My players were brimming with ideas about how to tailor it for the Guamanian classroom, and all agreed it was gonna be a great addition to the classes.

I've asked them each to write up a bit about their experience and ideas for me.

eimyr

Were there any of the professors among them this time?

BESW

8:39 AM

No, it was three of my usual Saturday players.

Among them, a Chamorro psychologist.

Miniman

Scratch that last, I officially have no idea how they work. Definitely not like regular SQL, anyway.

eimyr

Uuu.

BESW

Iii?

Polyducks

Ooo!

Aaa.

So I thought of the best way to teach natural selection and evolution in a class using jelly babies.

eimyr

Eee?

BESW

8:48 AM

Mmm.

Polyducks

@eimyr Repetition of punctuation. You are the loser!

@BESW consonant is not a vowel

eimyr

PSA for the non-British: Jelly Babies are a kind of jelly treat, usually eaten by kids, as they are the only ones able to withstand the terrible taste. They are shaped like garden gnomes.

Polyducks

Oh, thanks @eimyr haha

They taste great! How dare you!

Indeed, a national treasure

BESW

They are also enjoyed by aliens.

eimyr

Illegal aliens!

Polyducks

8:50 AM

Is that one of the many generations of DR Who?

BESW

Nah, he's got a work visa with the UK government.

@Polyducks Aye. Seventh Doctor, as seen in The Movie from 1996.

doppelgreener

@Miniman How's this look? data.stackexchange.com/rpg/query/462070/… - I replaced your tag filter line with this: and Tags.TagName like '%' + ##Tag:string?%## + '%'

Polyducks

There was a movie!?

I need to pay more attention to this nonsense.

eimyr

There should be a wall.

To keep the Doctor out.

BESW

@Polyducks It was awful. Direct-to-TV film by Fox as an attempt to reboot the franchise for American television.

eimyr

8:51 AM

And we'll make Time Lords pay for it!

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Miniman

@doppelgreener Oh hey, I didn't realise you could specify defaults. Nice!

doppelgreener

@BESW He looks just a little like Bill Murray in this shot.

eimyr

@doppelgreener I'd say Danny deVito as Penguin.

doppelgreener

@Miniman You can! Check the Advanced Parameters heading.

BESW

@doppelgreener Many people know that actor best now as Radagast the ~~bird-poop head~~ Brown.

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Miniman

8:54 AM

@doppelgreener In your version you can totally eliminate the joins to the Tags table and just use that clause on the Questions.Tags column.

BESW

I don't know much about carpentry, but a table without joins sounds unstable.

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Miniman

@BESW Technically I'm suggesting chucking the table, joins and all.

Polyducks

@BESW I don't know if you know how funny this is.

eimyr

@Polyducks @BESW *volatile. Any transaction on that table will be atomic.

Miniman

@Polyducks I had to deal with that once - someone didn't understand how joins work and just listed all the tables they wanted. I had to use Wolfram Alpha to calculate the number of rows they would have returned.

doppelgreener

8:59 AM

@Miniman I'm going to leave those in for a particular reason... edit incoming.

Polyducks

@Miniman I only have a very base understanding of how tables work. I need to get on that so I can become full stack master race.

But that's brilliant. So many ways to break it.

Miniman

@Polyducks Technically it's not "tables without joins", though, since it's an implicit CROSS JOIN.

eimyr

I need to watch Kill la Kill.

Toshinou Kyouko

👍

Polyducks

@miniman [The look, captain! It's blank!]

eimyr

9:03 AM

@ToshinouKyouko cocks head to the side, missing a font capable of handling the message

Polyducks

@eimyr it's a thumbs-up

Toshinou Kyouko

@eimyr thumbs_up.png

Miniman

@Polyducks Ah, sorry. Essentially, every row is joined to every row, so the number of rows in the result set is the number of rows in the source tables multiplied together. There are almost no good reasons to use CROSS JOIN.

Polyducks

@Miniman Oh, like a crazy snowball effect!

Miniman

@Polyducks Yeah. If you're of a mathematical bent, it's the same effect as the cross product of a bunch of matrices.

eimyr

9:08 AM

@Polyducks (I would advice against using "master race" in any context on this Stack chat. It brings it closer to communities using the term freely and I don't think we want to go that direction. I am a hypocrite‌, but a conscientous one.)

doppelgreener

@Miniman There we go. I left in the tag table joins so that all those queries would work: you can enter %world to get apocalypse-world and dungeon-world. If I'd taken out the joins, it'd always have to be %world% which would also match world-of-darkness.

AncientSwordRage

morning chaps/chappettes

doppelgreener

@AncientSwordRage morning/morningette, how do you do ASR!

AncientSwordRage

@doppelgreener Well!

doppelgreener

(optional: "chappettes" rhymes with "machete")

@AncientSwordRage marvelous!

Miniman

9:11 AM

@doppelgreener That does create extra rows for each matching tag, though.

doppelgreener

@Miniman ooer.

I need a select distinct in there I guess!

Miniman

@doppelgreener Was about to say the same thing :)

AncientSwordRage

@doppelgreener Sounds too much like Chapatis

Livelier in here than Mos

Polyducks

@eimyr Let me know if there are any other terms of common parlance you'd like me to avoid to prevent thought crime.

doppelgreener

@AncientSwordRage I love that stuff :D

Polyducks

9:18 AM

@doppelgreener @AncientSwordRage I really like the concept of Chappettes / Machettes

AncientSwordRage

@Polyducks sounds like a female ghurka/british patrol

Polyducks

What's a brightest patrol?

eimyr

@Polyducks I would avoid Fuhrer and Reich. Note, I'm not presenting a mod-like statement, but my own opinion which you might or might not accept.

@Polyducks Also, you can think whatever you want, not my business. But I can react and have an opinion on how you behave. So yeah, behaviour police. Be Nice squadron.

Miniman

@ToshinouKyouko On the question you just asked, have you looked at the PHB and are still confused, or didn't find the relevant section?

eimyr

Friend Computer says...

doppelgreener

9:23 AM

@Miniman leave comment also pl0x

Polyducks

@eimyr I wasn't even making that connection

That was all you

Miniman

@doppelgreener I just figured since they're here anyway, and it's the sort of thing that can easily sound like I'm being a jerk, it might work better to ask here.

Polyducks

I really want to make a lego calendar that is more dynamic than the one I have at the moment

maybe something using slides instead of rebuilding the tower each time

AncientSwordRage

@Polyducks dyslexia strikes again

Polyducks

@AncientSwordRage haha what did I mis-spell?

AncientSwordRage

9:27 AM

@Polyducks I typed brightest, instead of british

eimyr

@Polyducks I can give you a great example of a benign statement that can sound like I'm a total ass without meaning it too. Consider others that might have a different cultural background to you.

doppelgreener

@Miniman oh, fair enough, it didn't sound jerkish to me at all

Polyducks

@AncientSwordRage Oh I see haha

I can see the connection now :p

@eimyr k

@miniman what are you guys working on RE: tables?

Miniman

4

A: Is there a way to sort questions by ones that have higher question scores than answer scores?

This is a job for Stack Exchange Data Explorer ("SEDE" for short), like SevenSidedDie pointed out! Search can only do so much. Stack Exchange makes full data dumps weekly to SEDE which are fully searchable using SQL, which lets us do all kinds of advanced data searching, like this thing. I've wr...

Toshinou Kyouko

@Miniman am confused

aw man now I need to reply twice

Miniman

9:31 AM

@ToshinouKyouko The PHB has a section on underwater combat, just wondering if you've looked at it.

Polyducks

@miniman My mind is blown into smitherines with all this data talk. I'd better get back to work

Later gang!

Miniman

@Polyducks :) Cya!

Toshinou Kyouko

@Miniman i found it didn't really cover everything - I unfortunately don't have it beside me right now

or if it did it was badly worded

Miniman

@ToshinouKyouko All good, just wanted to check that you'd seen it. It definitely doesn't cover much.

Toshinou Kyouko

there's also a swimming section too but that was also confusing

Toshinou Kyouko

9:57 AM

@Miniman thank you that's much clearer now :)

Miniman

@ToshinouKyouko Glad I could help!

BESW

10:56 AM

BTW, @doppelgreener & @trogdor, Raycia came up with a new Amaterasu PC to play. We haven't done the mechanics yet, but she's a retired assassin who likes making friends and giving hugs. She has the ability to analyse situations and manipulate chance so that things happen the way she wants.

She's also not entirely human, but nobody's sure what she is. At first glance she seems normal, but even a quick second look shows that she's very uncanny valley. Half-elf, part demon, alien clone, nobody knows.

Any attempt to ask her about her origins is met with a big hug and a cookie.

trogdor

ok then

definitely seems like her style XD

doppelgreener

this definitely sounds like a Raycia PC and sounds pretty fun

BESW

Yeah, we hashed it out from basic principles over lunch before DED.

She wanted a very Weird character, after Myka was so aggressively normal.

And talking about the rest of the group, she decided that she wants to be someone who will --eg-- smother Cassandra with a big bear hug when she's being moody.

doppelgreener

d'awww XD

that sounds great.

BESW

She also wanted to be an "I can kill you with my brain" kind of person, but wasn't really big on telekinesis or anything like that.

trogdor

11:11 AM

lol

BESW

Basically, wanted to be able to do ranged physical combat with a mental stat.

We batted around some ideas and came up with hyper-analysis and chance manipulation.

She also wanted to be someone people reacted to as Weird on a physical level, and that basically finished off the character design.

doppelgreener

11:24 AM

i wonder what the people would say who attempted to run her bloodwork or do genetic analysis...

(or in Cassandra's case, if she tried to do alchemical analysis)

BESW

"That's odd. The printout just has an ASCII cookie on it."

"Ooh, I think it's oatmeal chocolate chip."

eimyr

11:44 AM

@BESW How does one model prolonged altercations in Fate?

BESW

Depends on the context. Example?

eimyr

Like... you have two characters engaging in a mental duel of wit, trying to frustrate each other into concession (or being taken out) over a period of days or weeks?

BESW

Ah.

eimyr

Say, you use Provoke, Rapport and Deceive to have a mental fight - over twitter, for example.

BESW

Well, kinda depends on whether there's anything else interesting going on at the same time.

eimyr

11:46 AM

Say there can be interesting events in the meantime.

BESW

Any of the resolution mechanics--opposed rolls, contests, conflicts, etc--works for any period of time.

eimyr

But I would say that the fight is a "scene" of it's own, so they don't get to refresh their Stress?

doppelgreener

This doesn't sound like a scenario where stress would be involved, if there was plenty more action happening in the meantime.

eimyr

And in the meantime they might be doing other stuff, working, socialising, having a firefight etc.

BESW

For that.... I'd be inclined to have it be a contest run over several sessions of other adventures. Once or twice every session when they can get on Twitter, they make opposed rolls for the contest.

eimyr

11:48 AM

And how to make a loser lose?

BESW

We track it independently of whatever else is going on, but any boosts or aspects created by the contest can get used in the other ongoing material if appropriate.

In a contest, the first to get three successes wins.

eimyr

In stress-based conflict you can inflict consequences, be taken out or concede. I think I'd like it here too.

BESW

(Ties in a contest don't give successes, but instead change the venue.)

A consequence can be inflicted as part of the fallout if the narration says that's how to model it. You don't need a mechanic to trigger a mechanic; you need story to trigger a mechanic.

doppelgreener

You can take consequences outside of a stress-based conflict. Specifically, the silver rule says take them whenever it makes sense.

e.g. someone who engages in a Contest to rescue someone from a burning building might still take a moderate or severe consequence of Second degree burns if they were struggling a lot, or a mild consequence of Smoke inhalation if they did fairly well, because the GM or a player or that player suggests it'd make sense.

eimyr

I know I can have consequences at any time. It's just that conceding/taken out thing that I'd like to have here somehow.

doppelgreener

11:55 AM

here's another couple of things you can do: make their online personas or public reputations be "characters" (bronze rule) and have those taking the beating. those don't get a rest, unlike the person themself who would. those also take consequences - or possibly just transfer them directly to the character themselves. (this means they could recover from consequences while the struggle's still going, but that's manageable.)

@eimyr Then use them! Put that as the stakes of the contest: the winner gets to say what they like about the loser, within reason of what the contest could've actually caused. Someone can end the contest at any time, and avoid the worst parts of their fate.

Concession & being taken out are mechanics for resolving a single scene of struggle. The narrative impacts of them, and the mechanical options that come from them, can still be used where it fits.

BESW

> ONLINE PRESENCE
Foul-mouthed sweetheart
BBC TV fanatic
+3 Trivia (C, O)
+2 Snark (A, C, O, D)
+2 Big Name Fan (C, O, D)
Social Stress: OOO

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doppelgreener

@BESW Beautiful work!

eimyr

@doppelgreener "The loser gets banned from Twitter" or "The loser is now considered part of the conspiracy and alienated"

doppelgreener

@eimyr and even "the loser takes a Severe consequence of 'public identity crisis'" as well

BESW

Or Doxxed.

eimyr

12:00 PM

@doppelgreenr and even "the loser has it's identity scrapped. Make a new online character"

@BESW Typing Furiously Once per scene you may spend a Fate point before you act this turn to act twice instead.

BESW

> Convention connections. Once per adventure you may automatically succeed with style on a Trivia action by getting a content creator to publicly agree with you.

eimyr

> RAGEQUIT. If you concede in a conflict you gain an additional Fate point which you may only spend on planning you next comeback.

BESW

> Bottle it up. Once per scene you may use your main character's mental stress track to absorb social stress inflicted on your online persona.

eimyr

> Be Nice. Once per scene you may use Snark to immediately recover from a Mild Consequence by reminding your opponent of netiquette.

Ahriman

eimyr

12:08 PM

@Ahriman I was waiting for this.

BESW

> gifbomb. You get +2 when attacking with Snark if you can show the GM exactly the right gif to add to your character's post.

eimyr

> Image not found. Once per session you may spend a Fate point to ignore the effects of one attack.

doppelgreener

> Well-cited backtalk. Your Snark attacks have +1 and weapon:2 when made using researched evidence.

BESW

@eimyr Nice.

Doomed Mind

wtf is going on here xD

doppelgreener

12:11 PM

We're making up Fate stunts for a public social networking conflict!

eimyr

> Welcome to RPG.SE. Take the [Tour]. You get +2 to Trivia when dealing with newbies.

> You talking to me? You need 20 mainsite rep. When dealing with newbies you always act first.

Doomed Mind

yeah i'm reading up on that xD

lol

doppelgreener

> DDOS standing by. Your defend with +2 with Big Name Fan when taking down an online service would help your defense.

BESW

> Well-curated RSS feed. You have +2 when creating advantages with Trivia about events within the past 24 hours.

eimyr

> Starboard, not port. Once per scene, when the opponent concedes, you might put an Aspect with one free invoke on you, related to something that was said. That aspect persists until the end of the session. Does not work on websites where starboard is on the left.

doppelgreener

12:16 PM

> Fan-written death threats. If you succeed with style in creating an advantage with Snark, you can place an aspect on your opponent's real life self, as your fans collectively make their life harder or momentarily terrifying.

eimyr

> That's our papaw now. Once per game, when an opponent concedes, you may select one of his Aspects and make it your own.

BESW

> On the Internet, nothing is deleted. When an opponent concedes a conflict on social media to you, you get a free invoke on every consequence they took during the conflict.

@JesterTran Hi!

eimyr

I want to tag everyone to see this magnificent exchange.

doppelgreener

12:36 PM

@eimyr also part of the story is his kids showed up after that photo after all

eimyr

@doppelgreener and that he threw a party, sold "I've had a burger with Papaw" Tshirts and generally monetized his fame

doppelgreener

that's a pretty cute shirt idea, haha

eimyr

Accounts of what he did or plans to do with the raised money vary by source. None are probably reliable.

BESW

@SirTechSpec Hi!

eimyr

Oh! @SirTechSpec Hi! And thanks for your answer!

BESW

12:41 PM

> Rickroll. You can use Snark to attack a character's mental stress track through social media.

SirTechSpec

Hello all!

BESW

What's new?

SirTechSpec

@eimyr Oh, you're that eimyr! You're welcome! Seemed everybody had already done the obvious frame challenges of "let it go or leave" so I thought I would challenge myself to give you a straight answer :D

eimyr

I appreciate that you didn't assume ignorance and ill will on my part after reading the Q.

BESW

Got my upvote.

SirTechSpec

12:49 PM

Well the other answers were helpful in a way, especially the ones saying "it's not that big a deal" - I was like "clearly having taken the time to write the question and respond to every answer, it's a big deal for you" and it struck me that that's probably what was missing from the table as well

Art imitates life, and all that.

Also, I'm finding this Fate-online-persona discussion very amusing. I'd play.

eimyr

Also: anti-intellectualism is an attitude that is present and quite common, regardless of whether I point it out or not.

SirTechSpec

For sure but "factual" and "productive to bring up" are two different things :P

eimyr

Yeah.

That's why I believe I can vent about it on RPG.SE but not at the table.

SirTechSpec

Fair

So, a question I'm not sure it's appropriate to ask even on meta: what do I do if I've just joined StackExchange and I find myself staying up late reading questions (and staring at the rep counter waiting for it to go up) instead of sleeping so I can go to work and stuff? :P

Doomed Mind

you should log off and go to sleep?

:D

SirTechSpec

12:55 PM

Hmm, compelling, can you back that up with a rules citation or personal experience? ;)

Doomed Mind

yes, I know that from personal experience :P

its difficult though

SirTechSpec

seriously

eimyr

@SirTechSpec is that because you enjoy helping, or because you want that sweet sweet rep?

@SirTechSpec (also... I kinda noticed. You have more answers than days of membership.)

SirTechSpec

I'm just hoping I can step back from the shiny-new-thing-must-binge attitude and find a degree of moderation that's sustainable, before I flame out and decide the only healthy course of action is abstinence

@eimyr 1) Both, I voluntarily do IT support for my day job... but the "game" of SE is very effective with those little green numbers.

BESW

@SirTechSpec This is my average daily chat usage:

I've been on the Stack for three and a half years. You will not find the answers you seek here.

[sobs quietly into the keyboard]

eimyr

1:01 PM

OK

SirTechSpec

@eimyr 2) It's the liberal arts education, trains us to have a strong, compellingly written opinion on any topic at a moment's notice. I realize now that not all of my answers (even the popular ones) follow GS,BS closely, so keeping that in mind should help curb some of my enthusiasm.

eimyr

@SirTechSpec you want to be a bit less enthusiastic? Go to meta and read some of the RAW bleepstorms.

SirTechSpec

mmmm

@BESW Heh. Duly noted. Hey, speaking of which I should probably get off the computer and go to work.

eimyr

Write a couple of answers you like and watch them get burninated by community.

BESW

@SirTechSpec See you around!

...I'll be here...

SirTechSpec

1:03 PM

Thanks. Toodles!

eimyr

Ask questions that you need help with, watch them get closed, then post a couple irrelevant getting to the top scored list.

doppelgreener

@SirTechSpec You open up Go The F(moon) to Sleep, as read by Samuel L. Jackson, shut your eyes, and let it lull you into the dreamscape.

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BESW

You may also find this celebrity relaxation tape helpful.

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doppelgreener

@BESW i feel both relaxed and alarmed

BESW

....I think I have a new character I need to add to a game.

eimyr

1:17 PM

Have you seen my bear Tibbers?

Miniman

@eimyr Have you seen my bear Tibbers, Original Flavour.

(Technically incorrect, but I couldn't find a good shot of the original original.)

BESW

No, that eyeball on your chest sees all. There's no seeing left for anyone else.

eimyr

@Miniman Lower left, your image. I had to double check to make sure it's not a penis.

Miniman

@eimyr Golem skipped leg day.

eimyr

@Miniman Golem's knees look very persuasive.

BESW

1:23 PM

"Golem's Knees" would be a good name for a band.

Miniman

Also, I found the Real Original Flavour.

Which among other things has the virtue of being totally recognizable.

And not having skipped leg day.

BESW

(Unfortunately, everyone gets them confused with "Golem Sneeze.")

eimyr

Every now and then I get that itch taht tells me "Go download League of Legends".

BESW

"Itch taht" just sounds like fake German.

eimyr

I have to remind myself about how toxic the community is, because the game is AWESOME but people spoil it for me.

Miniman

1:24 PM

@eimyr Me too.

eimyr

Can't I have like 10 people who would play it among themselves?

Miniman

My main problem is that I feel like having walked away makes all the time I spent on it a waste.

@eimyr Also this.

BESW

@Miniman Did you have fun?

eimyr

If I had like 9 disillusioned friends who only want to have matches between themselves, I'd be playing that very frequently.

Unfortunately, this is borderline impossible.

Miniman

@BESW Good question. Some/most of the time, I guess.

BESW

1:26 PM

Then probably not a total waste.

Miniman

@BESW I know...most of the time. But sometimes it's hard to convince myself.

eimyr

@BESW The thing is: if you don't communicate, you lose and have no fun. If you do communicate, you discover your mom's evil exes, same result.

BESW

Alas.

And also, goodnight. [yawn]

eimyr

bye!

Miniman

@BESW Cya!

BESW

1:27 PM

My average daily use chart says I should be going to bed now.

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eimyr

@Miniman best games I've had was when I had like 2-3 friends to play with in a team

one griefer in a team occasionally was bearable

Miniman

@eimyr That never really worked well for me, because everyone I knew who played it were at vastly different skill levels.

eimyr

unfortunately, I'm low-skill player, so I couldn't contribute most of the times.

So it ended pretty quickly

They were happy to teach me, but once I went from newbie to noob it wasn't working for anyone

I guess I'd be happy to give it a go, but not unless there's 4 really nice people willing to join. So, unlikely.

The Oracle

3:27 PM

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Q: Feature Request: Citing Tweets

I'd like to paste in a twitter url and get a nicely formatted quote with a link back to the original, the twitter user, date, etc. Lately—primarily do to the convenience of reaching D&D 5e designers—we've been citing tweets by hand, and it could look a lot better if it were automatic in some way.

eimyr

Any Atomic Robo person here?

eimyr

5:33 PM

@Pixie Hi!

I don't have a lot of time, but just wanted to say that after watching Lucifer and our conversation I know what bothered me so much behind the superficial reaction - and it wasn't the main female lead looks. It was all female character looks. The casting department decide to go ahead and hire only ridiculously attractive people as female cast, including named characters, non-named guest characters and even extras. Didn't make this decision for male cast though.

And since Lauren German occupies the most female screen time, my objection to overall casting choices condensed on her, unfairly. Her characterisation is not out of place, but I saw it as if it was, probably due to general amount of hot babe titillation.

I stand corrected and redirect my hatred towards more general aspects of the show.

Wibbs

6:06 PM

Tell me about it. The lower and lower ages of women cast in older roles is getting ridiculous as well. You know something's wrong when the 'mum' of a character is played by someone younger than the person who's supposed to be their child

eimyr

6:41 PM

Women ten years younger than me play women ten years older. Meanwhile, older men play younger characters.

BESW

8:33 PM

@eimyr Yawp.

eimyr

Mornin'

Though my question sort-of answered itself.

BESW

What was it?

eimyr

9:21 PM

@BESW Sorry, lost track of the chat. It was about trappings and changes to the skills.

My answer was found in a different book section.

Also, if anyone's interested in a good show, I recommend the Midnight Manager. I just saw the first episode and it's everything I could ever want from a show like that.

On the other hand... Do you miss the Investigate skill?

BESW

9:38 PM

In ARRPG? No. It's been spread out into "how do you Investigate?"

Contacts, Notice, various Sciences...

eimyr

I have a huge itch that says Empathy should be get rid like that as well

BESW

I think that's a matter of "What's the story about?"

A big part of ARRPG is about figuring out sciencey stuff, while it's not so focused on explicating social interactions.

Miniman

10:10 PM