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12:06 AM
@BESW does this chatsey app have a load favorite rooms button?
 
12:21 AM
The Favorite section has a "join all" button.
 
12:55 AM
hmm... in 3.5e, can a ranger/druid with an Urban Companion take the Improved Familiar feat to get an Improved Urban Companion?
 
@Adeptus -- just from initial inspection, I'd say "go for it"
 
and... if you have an Improved Familiar, do you still use the same progression by caster level as the standard Familiar? (ie, not level -x as with higher level Animal Companions?)
 
I think it'd definitely be in the spirit of the rules.
 
There's definitely no penalty for Improved Familiars.
I don't know about the Urban Companion, though.
 
@Miniman Urban Companions act as Familiars with a few differences. So, if Improved Familiar applies, then it'll act the same as Improved Familiar usually does
 
1:00 AM
Urban Companion is from Cityscape, right?
 
Yes.
 
@Adeptus If I remember when I get home, I'll take a look. Exact wording matters here. (But I don't get home for like 6 hours, so you'll probably have an answer by then.) Might even make a decent main site question, actually.
 
@Miniman Which part - whether Improved Familiar applies to Urban Companion, or whether it uses the same progression?
(or both?)
 
@Adeptus Whether Improved Familiar applies. The progression seems like a pretty trivial "it doesn't say there's a penalty, so there isn't one."
I can't tell whether Improved Familiar would work, personally, since it doesn't include the standard "counts as this feature for all prerequisites". My guess is that it doesn't since it's not technically an actual familiar.
 
Another Improved Familiar question... standard familiar rules say "For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher." Does that mean, for eg Celestial animals, they gain damage resistance when the master is at level 4+?
@Miniman OK, I'll write it up
 
1:25 AM
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Q: Does Improved Familiar feat apply to Urban Companions?

AdeptusCityscape Web Enhancement lists an alternate class feature for Druids and Rangers, called Urban Companion: The character gains the companionship of a smaller but far more intelligent creature than she otherwise would have. This is identical to the sorcerer's ability to summon a familiar (PH 5...

 
 
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2:59 AM
@BESW aha, I see now
 
3:14 AM
@mxyzplk deleted my comment as it might just be adding noise, but thanks for closing that meta Q.
 
@Adeptus -- you still there?
 
@doppelgreener Sure, I was considering it anyway and then SSD requested it himself
 
@doppelgreener After reading your comments I feel vaguely vindicated:
Any examples you could include? — Miniman Apr 10 at 16:56
 
it turned into toxic BS quick; we allow more discussion than usual on meta but that was way past effectiveness
 
@Miniman -- sidenote on Improved Familiar + Urban COmpanion -- the feat doesn't need to include the "counts as this feature for all prerequisites" text, as the prerequisites are satisfied without it
err, not hte feat, the ACF :)
 
3:19 AM
@Shalvenay That's why I didn't answer, because I wasn't sure.
 
yeah -- I wrote up an answer to his question already -- didn't take long either as the ACF is linked in the question, even though the quote stops one sentence short of answering his own question ;)
 
@mxyzplk i was considering flagging it for the same myself this morning
@Miniman feel so. but i think this Q, plus examples, would still not have made for a good Q. if we have another question about this, it has to be quite different, in addition to having concrete examples.
so that we can talk about when XY is and is not helpful and compare and contrast and so on.
having examples is a problem when most of this stuff takes place in comments which get deleted, but not having examples is worse. better yet, take screenshots as records.
@mxyzplk agreed on all counts
 
3:44 AM
@Shalvenay I am now
 
@Adeptus -- just was pinging you on the Urban Companion+Improved Familiar question
 
Thanks. I added that next line of the quote to the question. I didn't think it was important in this context, but looks like it is :)
OK, I'm confused about familiars advancement - it says "It retains the ... Hit Dice ... of the normal animal it once was" but then later it says "For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher." Does "effects" in the second quote refer to eg spells being cast at it, or does it also mean abilities of that creature type?
 
4:03 AM
@Adeptus Both, I think. Pretty much anything related to HD except actual number of HD.
 
eg improved familiar - celestial animal. Celestials get Damage Reduction at 4HD, but Celestial Animal familiar starts at 3HD
 
I'm in over my head.
 
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@Adeptus Nice, I'll have to remember that one.
 
4:50 AM
i am not sure whether this world axis question is... bad and i should delete my answer to help it die, or if it's decent
thoughts y'all?
i am also sick, so i would very much appreciate hearing judgement other than my own presently
 
I need a quick description of Roll For Shoes
 
quicker than its seven bullet points?
 
@doppelgreener it looks pretty bad, but I think your answer largely redeems it, rather than just providing it with some life-support.
 
in my experience: roll for shoes is a game for one-shots where things escalate out of control in fantastic style
and we probably end nowhere near where we started
 
ofc my advice is probably bad, so... offers grain of salt
 
4:56 AM
Why would you consider that question bad?
 
thank you regardless
@JustinT not sure, while i am sick is not when i am best at articulating things in my head
 
The questions it asks have clear, definitive answers.
 
you are probably right that it is fine
 
It is a confused question, as it seems to have some inaccurate assumptions beyond the things it knows it doesn't know.
But we're pretty good at that sort of thing.
 
It's hard to understand (that might just be that the asker's English appears to be poor, but it's hard to tell), it asks multiple questions which are only tangentially related... I can see why someone might think it needs to be closed (at least until improved).
But, I don't think it needs it, just that it's understandable.
on a completely unrelated topic: anyone here use Origin for vidya games? Not got a question (I'd go to Arqade), just curious.
 
5:06 AM
@gatherer818 When I can't avoid it.
 
rofl. Did you snag the recent Humble Origin Bundle 2? If not, I'm honestly not planning to use my code, it's free to a good home.
 
@gatherer818 No, I didn't. There's some games in there that I'd quite like to own, so if it's up for grabs I'd be grateful.
 
I bought it, then remembered that I hate that launcher with a burning passion. So I redeemed the ones with Steam codes on the One True Platform (sarcasm, obvs), and I'm just trying to find someone to give the Origin code to.
@Miniman 8Z4U-59LG-T68B-5ZSP-QERY
 
@gatherer818 Thanks!
 
@Miniman Very welcome.
I reserve the right to believe you asked for it entirely for Peggle and Bejeweled 3, though.
 
5:10 AM
@gatherer818 :) I'd do the same myself. Besides, I played a friend's copy of Peggle a few years ago, and it's scary addictive.
@BESW In case you didn't notice:
There are also (I'm not kidding) Cocoadaemons, demons made of chocolate. They are opposed by (again, not kidding) Chocodevas. Guess what they're made of. Both of these creatures were originally found in Polyhedron #23 back in 1984. — Emrys Ternal 29 mins ago
 
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@BESW I love this site.
 
6:08 AM
@gatherer818 I've grabbed all their freebies (current one is Syndicate). Still haven't actually installed the Origin client, let alone any of the games... I also bought Humble Origin Bundle 1, but have only redeemed on Steam. Intending to trade the Origin codes at some point, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
 

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