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1:06 PM
@waxeagle I wish I coulda thought of the "hey is this what we're going with?" comment idea myself earlier
that would've been way more constructive
 
@JonathanHobbs yeah, as it is it looks like a runaway train. I'm no a fan of false starts and radio silence from the mod team is not helpful
 
I felt we needed to make the decision last week in someway on some of the stuff now I feel doubly so. I'm hesitant to post the meta discussion that needs to occur on site design (what, if, when, who) as well
or a site-promotion for 5e focused question
 
I think it would be reasonable to solicit a themed main banner
 
that was my thought as well, nothing crazy like arqade does, just a banner overhaul for awhile with maybe a button built into taking you directly to dnd-5e tagged questions
 
that would stay up from the basic release until a few weeks after the DMG release
Maybe a meta question to spitball what we as a community should do a bit more focused than the hit question
 
1:21 PM
I had that, but everyone was like, its too unfocused (had bulletpoints for the 3 main areas, who gets the books, what do we do the site, how can we promote this)
 
Scifi.SE had a "Futurama Week" a while ago, where a Futurama-themed main page was made that only showed Futurama-tagged questions. It allowed inviting the masses into topic-specific subsite, which would hopefully leave some of them behind.
The questions it engendered were... not good. I ended up ignoring the tag for the whole week.
But maybe the mods there have some ideas or lessons learned.
 
@lisardggY yeah, we want to do this right
because this will be our bread and butter for the next 2-5 years
(or longer, depending on how the landscape evolves)
 
hmmm undeleting
 
Maybe I (or someone else) should ask on Scifi.meta what the users and mods thought of that experiment, or if there was an official post-mortem done to see if it worked as expected.
 
1:24 PM
man, if we could get WOTC to officially support this.... #pipedreams
 
necro'd this
please take a look and post on it if possibel
@waxeagle exactly, but we really need to be on our A game for that to even remotely happen
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith definitely
I'd axe #1, it's handled in another thread and focus on 2+3
 
Question seems to have vanished.
Ah, there it is.
 
@lisardggY caching
 
1:30 PM
seems like enworld has a news post on the very kerfluffle you mentioned
 
Yes, though they don't really add too much information.
The App Store model specifically seems to have come out of nowhere in Mearls' text.
 
@lisardggY Those 5 bullets are pure speculation but encompass the basic options. With the "program" verbiage and the popularity of the app store model that seems like at least a realistic possibility
 
When 4e came out, I remember a lot of people upset about "they're moving from a buy-the-books model to a monthly-subscription model because of the popularity of WoW". That proved to not really be the case.
My guess is they'll find some middle ground between the OGL and the GSL.
 
@lisardggY Ive never bought a single 4e book
Ive been a successful player and GM using only the online tools
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Yes, but the point was that people thought you'd be forced to use the DDI subscriptions, when in fact you could choose which was more convenient to you.
 
1:44 PM
the majority of my rep on this site is also because of those tools
ahh
okay
good point
 
So I don't think they'll go for such a centralized model like the AppStore.
 
Hey @Joshua, I realise I didn't say: thank you for doing this stuff around the 5e meta questions. I really appreciate the pushing you're doing move us along. And that you're going ahead constructively when we've responded to a couple of questions with closure.
I have mixed feelings about getting the nomination thread close but mostly think we do need the ok before doing it. So thank you for putting up with that and taking that well.
To move us along*
 
@JonathanHobbs Thanks, I appreciate your input even if you're on the more contemplative side of things, its the lack of talk from both the community and the diamond mods that is frustrating
 
Yeah I can understand that. I hope we hear something in the next say.
 
on my deleted answer to the question I undeleted I got downvotes and criticism (some of it constructive) but nobody else answered my question
 
Good edit, those two were problematic and made me unsure how to answer well
 
2:07 PM
I'm working on an answer, but I'm wrangling a 2yr old. I'll be into work around noon and can work on it a bit more when I get there
 
I might have something to offer on that tomorrow or the day after, I'll take another look when it isn't bed time :)
Goodnight!
 
g'night
 
@waxeagle dont worry wax you've been helpful the whole time
 
trying to be. I've worked on an SE promotion before, but nothing this big. I'm not an Arqade guy and they've gotten some of the most support, but a lot of times it's SE coming to them not them going to SE
(and I'm pretty sure the ones that get good developer support involved $ changing hands)
 
2:10 PM
(all that to say the flow is the wrong direction on this one for there to be really good support a-la the big gaming promos)
 
I dont think we need that much glitz and glam
 
@waxeagle I know Comedy Central were involved in the Futurama promo. I suppose for WotC to be involved we'll need a mod to contact the Community team to contract them officially.
 
yeah would love that!
 
@lisardggY the mods have already been in contact with SE on this, if anything is going to come of this, it will be through that channel
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith It's not the glitz and glam that we need, as much as for WotC to plug the promo in their Facebook page, twitter feeds and official updates.
It's all about the traffic.
 
2:13 PM
no I agree
I meant that some of arqade's site overhauls have been massive
 
Yeah. Anyway, good work on the meta site. I shall now head home to start the weekend. (yeah!)
 
They need shiny things to attract new users /sarc I play lots of videogames but my opinions of gamers are very low
nice
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith no, we definitely don't. RPG rollout is quite different from a video game rollout
 
there is an immediacy to video game launches that doesn't exist with an RPG launch
 
2:25 PM
yep hmm the app store model as its laid out in that article sounds the most appealing to me frankly
 
as a consumer rather than a producer I agree. If I was a content producer I might have an issue with that (specially if there is an entry fee)(
 
the wild west days of the OGL are gone
 
-rolls in bleary-eyed-
 
there are other, less popular and money driven systems like Dungeon World where people can go full hog on making stuff without and restrictions
but for D&D, no way
 
So, anyone familiar with ACF's and etc for 3.5 enough they can list off any way to trade away trapfinding?
 
2:36 PM
@Dorian g'morning. for context we're discussion the 5e OGL speculation.
(though feel free to interject with any new topic)
 
:P
 
@Dorian not a 3.5 guy :(
 
zero 3.5 experience beyond looking up rules in teh SRD for that and Pathfinder
to answer se questions
 
I haven't even began to look into 5e. I think I'll wait till I"m recruited into a group to play it lol
I'm tempted to throw it up as a question on the main site but I figured before I lose patience and decide to crash I'd ask in the chat lol
Currently I know of three things I can trade it for. One is absolute shit, one is pretty decent but not really needed, and the last is poison which I don't want to bother with.
Any decent poison is too pricey when it's useful, and by the time you can afford it decently enough everyone's immune.

Bleah, continue with your discussion though, I'm gonna lurk.
 
seems like a limited enough list that it would make a good question
 
2:41 PM
yeah def post it as a question
@waxeagle a lot people complain about steam's model but that doesnt stop it from being the most successful platform in the field. Its a business and a brand decision. WOTC wants to make money, protect their rights, and ensure brand viability by providing quality content
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith yup. and they are going to look at platforms that are currently successful. Steam, Drivethrou, app stores...
 
also, was mike mearls a designer on 4e at launch or did he come into way later, I know he was the architect of essentials, but not much else
 
way later. Essentialsish
 
okay thats what I thought
 
actually no, June 05
writing credits on PHB2, MM1 and KOS
became lead in 09
 
2:46 PM
hmm then yeah his comments on the release of 4e are less snipy then I originially thought
 
but he was heavily credited with the paradigm switch RE essentials
 
I like what he did with essentials
it felt right
it still feels right
e classes are the perfect way to get someone new into 4e
 
definitely. I won't ever start a 4e game again that doesn't say "you will start with an e-class or later character"
 
haha
e classes move so fast, theres a lot of features to remember but as GM you can easily help with that more than a diverse power list
Essentials only, inherent bonuses on campaign.
 
question is up, going to lurk a bit moar before I allow fatigue to kick in...
 
2:54 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith I need to try inherents
 
its nice, you can still toss at the loot but its obviously less of an issue
you dont need to upgrade for upgrade's only sake until you get to masterwork armor
it will use whichever number modifier is bigger between the inherent bonus or the magical item
mathematically I think it falls behind straight item progression in epic (for defenses at least), but if you're doing a heroic tier campaign it can let you really do the oldschool magic items are rare and special kind of thing
 
I just thought of a funny prestige class.

Meta Mage:

You have obtained the knowledge of the universe and can call upon the past. This class allows you to gain and use abilities and feats from previous versions of D&D.
 
3:23 PM
@Aaron Requires 42 ranks in Knowledge (Internet) or a personal library valuing at least 2000 USD.
 
@Dorian Hehehe.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith posted an answer lemmie know where you think it can be improved
 
Tis truly a pity that this game I'm making this stealthy archer for is an online game... My dad recently gave me all his old AD&D gaming stuff (in a chest he made in woodshop in highschool even). In it was a well used brick of standard white w/black dots d6's... This build is going to need ALL the d6's.
 
I need another set of dice. I think I am gonna buy some metal dice.
 
@Aaron some nice 3-d printed stuff out there
 
3:27 PM
@waxeagle Metal?
 
@Aaron yep
 
I didn't know there were printers that could use metal. I thought they all used some plastic stuff right now. Kinda like glue guns.
 
absolutely, they're just expensive and not really for home use
(I've not used this site, but I've seen a bunch of different designs there that look awesome)
 
@waxeagle Oh I have seen those. They look painful.
 
the metal 3d printers are definitely for rapid prototyping/manufacturing for commercial or design firms
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, our company owns a CnC machine, the guy who manages that division says it hasn't stopped since he bought it
 
@Aaron $7.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll take 100!
 
would be fun for jewelry
 
Anyone know someone who makes dice? I want an actual unique set. Something no one else has.
 
3:35 PM
there is a guy who makes artisan dice from wood, and I think he does commissions, hang on
 
@waxeagle looks great
 
@Aaron Get some silicone gel, mold your existing dice you like, and cast your own out of whatever you want. Chocolate is a good, if temporary, medium.
 
@DampeS8N Lol. Sounds like a plan but they wouldn't last through a session.
I might actually do that though. It would be a fun game time snack.
 
Aiming to have an archer dropping 6d6 on a single arrow attack at lv6. Every round. Safely from the shadows. At any range reachable by bow. As long as it isn't a construct or undead, I can hit it for 6d6 dmg or more at a hundred feet distance easily. Even if it's undead I can still hit it for 5d6 or more (but not constructs :( )
 
@waxeagle Aww. It looks like most of the dice these guys make are d6 only or am I missing something?
 
3:49 PM
best D&D snacks I ever made were adult jello cubes (simply limeaid + gin+ gelatin packets = gelatin gimlets) that were gelatinous cubes attacking the party, when they killed one they got to eat it.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Cool
 
And that damage will just continue to increase even higher. By level 9 it'll be 10d6 or more.
Hmm... I need to check the level progressions...
 
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Hehehe
 
By the time I reach lv20 (if I reach lv20) I should be dealing 18d6 per shot or more if I get the gear I want by then.
On average, every time I gain a level, I add a d6 to my one shot. If I happen to somehow get more shots in a round, well... It'll grow exponentially.
 
@Dorian What system?
 
3:59 PM
sup?
 
D&D3.5. Game is house ruled with some Pathfinder rules too.
And since I'm essentially the rogue in the party (not the warrior, not the damage dealer) that's pretty damn good. My goal was to build a functional trapper/shadow sniper for this game which appears to be relatively low-powered. (the party is mostly t3 classes that aren't really optimized well, and in fact we're a 3 man team counting myself I believe now since someone dropped out).
 
4:19 PM
@Aaron from poking around, it looks like it depends on the type of wood you choose
 
@waxeagle I think to get a full set you have to the the set of 10 which is a minimum of 100 dollars.
 
@Aaron yeah, your best bet then is to find a vendor :)
that's $10 a die though which is pricey
random d20s are 4 for 75
 
5:21 PM
reading rainbow is creeping up on 2mil
 
5:37 PM
well that was fast
lol
@besw man the personal forcefields the goa-oulds have in SG-1 keep making me expect to see a Dune style knife fight
closest thing yet has been hack throwing a knife through one.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith they're about 150k away yet, but that's a couple of solid hours for them right now. (It should be noted that they not only have a broad appeal star, a ~30 year TV show run on public television behind them, but they also got an interview on NPR last night, so it's not like this should be viewed as a typical KS project)
 
Oh I know
I mean I 100 percent expected it to meet its 1 mil, just not that fast persay
its lavar burton making new episodes of reading rainbow and stuff WHO DOESNT WANT THAT, even sesame street can get political sometimes or have scandels, but reading rainbow had basically a perfect run
 
no, I'm a bit surprised at how fast they've made it.
@JoshuaAslanSmith I wish it was actually coming back to TV...but that's not in the cards, looks like if they make enough money and see demand they'll do web shows though
 
6:06 PM
@DampeS8N I thought you were joking but I just remembered you own that gaming place. Were you joking or not?
 
@Aaron I'm starting with one set. If they are up to snuff I may order 10 more. A bit strapped for cash right now. Still under the overhead mark on the shop.
I wouldn't say we are hemorrhaging money. Just slowly leaking.
:P
 
@DampeS8N Oh. Is that normal when a shop first opens ?
 
@Aaron Yes. That is normal for a new business in general. Hard to say with THIS business since there are no other direct examples of the business model.
Businesses, especially membership-based or regular-business-based businesses start out losing money and then either climb out of it over time (our trend is upward) or they never do and go out of business. Takes patience, planning and deep pockets to start a business.
 
Hmm.
I could never own a business. I am not responsible enough.
 
So far it has been really rewarding. I'll never fund a business myself again, but it has been rewarding and a great learning experience. And considering it was mainly an excuse to own loads of RPG stuff myself and use it for my own games, I call it a success.
 
6:13 PM
@Aaron lol, responsibility isn't necessarily a pre-req
being a able to convince a bank to give you a pile of money sometimes is
 
@waxeagle Really? If the owner isn't responsible how long could a business possibly stay open?
 
@waxeagle You got it. haha. I'm very lazy, myself. That's a bigger, but seemingly not insurmountable, issue.
 
Not sarcastic I am asking a question.^
 
@Aaron As long as it makes money.
 
@Aaron depends? If the idea is right, people will line up out your door regardless of your ability to be responsible
 
6:15 PM
I suppose that is true.
 
(they won't keep coming back if you can't deliver, but our greatest innovators/business men haven't been the most responsible people in the world)
 
@waxeagle Provided by responsible we don't mean two things: A) You can not steal from people. B) You must pay your taxes.
 
responsibility helps, but it's not essential
@DampeS8N right. doing stuff that puts you in jail usually means the end of your business :)
 
nor is it a guarantee of success
 
@DampeS8N - Have you seen the Quest for Fun! blog from the owner of Black Diamond Games?
 
6:17 PM
yeah, business success seems to be a healthy combination of luck, acumen, and having a product people want to buy
 
@waxeagle Yup. Even with the second one, people tend to recover if the business is doing well, cause the IRS will just want a bigger-than-if-you-did-it-right chunk of the take. You'll end up in jail only if you made a ton of money, spent it all, and now can't pay the taxes anymore.
@waxeagle Mostly that last thing.
 
@DampeS8N yeah, if you have the last, most other things are optional
 
Assuming you aren't a total idiot. You have to have basic business acumen... Like, you need to get the word out that you exist.
 
case in point: illegal drugs: most drug dealers and their suppliers are none-too-bright people let alone do they have any real business acumen but they have a product that is strongly desired at an incredible markup
enough money drowns out any problems
 
6:19 PM
That can literally be putting out a sign, or sticking bumperstickers to poles on the street, or running around telling everyone you meet about your place.
 
@DampeS8N yeah, I know a guy in town who ran a very successful coffee shop (albeit in a top notch location) who didn't do any paid advertising, just word of mouth + mild guerrilla marketing
 
The reason most businesses go out of business comes down typically to a combination of 3 things: a total lack of understanding about the need to promote a business in some fashion; a product that you think is great but everyone else things is stupid; and/or the idea that you'll instantly be making money and so you've saved no money at all and quit your day job already.
 
A very good example of what NOT to do when running a business can be found by watching Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares.
Most of the owners are absolutely clueless.
@DampeS8N What is the name of your shop again?
 
@Aaron And this kind of business is REALLY HARD to keep running. Most businesses are way easier to keep going than a restaurant.
What do you guys think of these cheap dungeon tiles?
 
You use insulation?
 
6:28 PM
Those look pretty nice. HA?
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Yeah, pink foam, some cutting, black paint and gray drybrushing and maybe some flocking. Comes together nice and even that big arena was maybe 50 cents.
 
yeah nice I keep meaning to do some of that Im not playing regularly enough in person to make it worth the effort though
 
@DampeS8N dang. I might have to get into that. A lot of the tiles I've seen are flipping expensive (DF its too few pieces for the money, HA is expensive molds + expensive plaster + vibe table + construction time)
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith I've always kinda felt the same, but it makes sense once I am making them for the shop where many games can make use of them.
 
oh yes in your case totally worth it
 
6:31 PM
I am bored out of my mind.
Plus my music is getting repetitive.
 
@waxeagle I'm totally in love with this technique. Dirt cheap, stupid easy, look great. I've been stealing crafting ideas from all over the place. There are lots of videos linked to on the FB page that show how to do it.
 
4x8 sheet of 1/2" is like $15
 
@DampeS8N 50 cents only? I might consider crafting some for my games.
 
Those trees for example are hot glue, plastic aquarium plants, and some clearance fake flowers.
 
Nice.
How much was the pink insulation stuff?
 
@waxeagle Thanks
 
roughly the same stuff for cheaper from lowes: lowes.com/… (not sure about how that would cut/paint)
 
That huge fire elemental mini cost more than all of the tiles in these photos put together
@waxeagle green stuff isn't so great. The blue and pink stuff are the way to go.
 
@DampeS8N lol, whose fire elemental is that?
are you using a hot knife for the cutting?
 
@waxeagle Just the $15ish WotC Huge Fire Elemental. I use a hot-wire cutter and just a craft knife.
 
6:42 PM
@DampeS8N Have you thought about purchasing a small 3d printer for the shop? I assume you couldn't print copywrited monsters but you could probably still get good use out of it.
 
@Aaron One of our members has a 3D printer. He occasionally prints stuff like dice towers and things for the shop. 3D printing is still not quite there yet for things this size. Too expensive for too little quality and no color.
 
@aaron 3d printer is useless without a 3d scanner or 3d models, there actually aren't really any 3d models out there for printing minis
 
Getting there, though. Probably in a year or two.
@JoshuaAslanSmith 3D scanning isn't a problem, and I work for Zenimax Online Studios. If I want models to print as minis, I can ask any of 50 people to make models for me. lol
 
like the plexi-rod solution for flying critters
 
@waxeagle Thanks. I bought one 6 foot rod and had them cut it into many 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 inch segments for about $50 total. Great for the shop, probably overkill for anyone flying solo.
 
6:46 PM
@DampeS8N yeah, a bit much for me. But 1" dowel would give the same use, just without the cool transparent effect
 
@waxeagle The hard part will be cutting it square enough for the tall ones to stand up properly. You'll want to cut it at the store with their big fancy dowel cutting setups.
 
This kind of 3d printing is quite advanced. shapeways.com/games/dice
 
yep. Thankfully most big box hardware shops now cut to measure for you if you ask
 
I am going to try to design some dice to order from them.
 
I hate it whan I have a character concept and no name for him
 
6:48 PM
@Zachiel 1 sentence version of the concept, go:
 
@Aaron Too expensive for regular use. You wouldn't want to print up, say, custom PC minis for every game at those prices. And having the machines they use for these is a $50,000 venture. You need to be a place like Shapeways to afford it.
 
darfellan chosen who takes its role very responsably and travels the planes to look for a new home for his people and to become stronger.
(darfellan names have composed-words made of multiple syllabes)
 
@Zachiel Ooli Ilitik
 
@waxeagle Also ready to become an Ash Sinker (the multiverse might be destined to die but not before Sahuagins get slain and my people finds peace)
 
It is broken down for easier pronunciation by outsiders.
Or Flipper. Flipper is a good name for a Darfellan too.
 
6:57 PM
@Aaron those are pretty low quality print jobs
 
mmmmh I like the idea that names are just a description of their markings
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Really?
 
and this has none so... something short should do
 
I thought some of them were really good.
 
@DampeS8N XD
 
6:58 PM
too rough
Our cheapo entry level 3d printer could print those dice, it would just take a long long time to do so
 
@Zachiel I got it. This is perfect. Their name is Skilikoo but his party calls him Squeaky.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Oh.
 
cheap being a relative term
 
Skilikoo is Darfellan for naked, you can say.
 
7:31 PM
Just pimping my own answer, since I spent far longer than I should have writing it up:
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A: Pathfinder CR Calculator Single Player

BobsonAs a direct answer: You probably aren't going to find one. Now, to explain why: Pathfinder's not designed for single-PC ("one-on-one") play. Sure, the mechanics support it, but encounter and spell design goes way off track. Any ability which would normally incapacitate a PC in a regular part...

 
 
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9:38 PM
@Bobson Very nice. You might want to mention that one-player-one-GM (or two-player-no-GM) games are starting to be called "twosies," as that could help the querent find such systems.
(I'm currently all about twosies, as my gaming group consists of one regular player and one or two very irregular players.)
 
@BESW *(except for right now)
 
@trogdor [shakes fist] Get back here and test my pony games!
 
we didn't do that even when I was still there
 
Hush.
 
sorry, gotta channel the element of honesty
 
9:47 PM
[snerk]
 
not to say I wouldn't have been up for it if you had actually come up with something to test
but as of yet you haven't found a system that has completely caught you to go with the idea
 
I still want to test Princes' Kingdom.
But--yeah, My Little Psyche isn't a very good fit for twosies, whatever the system.
Teenager just walked in, slumped dramatically, and announced, "My soul is DEAD." "It'll grow back by the time you're thirty," I said.
 
10:18 PM
@DampeS8N sungouyarpok is inuit for black
 
10:38 PM
black is the new sungouyarpok?
 
@BESW Ooh, didn't know there's a term. I'll edit that mention in. Thanks!
 
11:18 PM
@BESW @waxeagle The flag got responded to. Stizzle's profile got reverted to the pre-TryHardNinja version. Might carry over to the chat server soon.
 
@ObliviousSage oh, no, apparently that's the word for "fights until he gets a black eye"
 
@BESW I am dubious about that given a quick search, but have added it as a tag synonym for one-on-one.
 
@Zachiel Every language needs a word for that.
 
black is krernertok, btw
 
@JonathanHobbs I just forced it
 
11:47 PM
@waxeagle Thanks! I have learned a thing that is possible today
 
@JonathanHobbs mods get a refresh chat profile from parent button
 
@waxeagle \o/
that's p cool
It's a pity that chat isn't in active development any more, but they did an amazing job whilst it was
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@JonathanHobbs every once in a while if we crow loud enough they'll give us a report or two. There a bunch of things that are backburnered. Too many mainsite issues to contend with
 
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