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4:00 PM
@allquixotic: Go to bed & sleep please! — Tejas 32 secs ago
yes @allquixotic goto bed ;p
 
Sleep yes!
Don't flip tables.
 
or headkeyboard..
 
Anyway, I am going off.
 
@jokerdino g'night!
 
o/
 
4:02 PM
He ignores my Is the new patch you posted there adressing my latest comment there? question. :(
 
@Sathya rofl, I'm making too much sense for him eh
he wants me to sleep so he can post off-topic drivel while I'm out
it's only 12:03pm btw
 
Ohh Shit! Now I realised that it's 6M not 60M. I swear I'm not lying. It's just a a big mistake of mine. Can anybody please help now? — Tejas 2 mins ago
@allquixotic figured.
 
Just for 20 bucks, I don't want to all these shit! I will just deny him to work — Tejas 48 secs ago
Wow, he IS capable of learning.
 
btw @OliverSalzburg you around?
 
@Sathya Just got in
 
4:06 PM
watchlist.
 
I don't think he saw my comment on SF. :(
 
@allquixotic More like 17:08 you lazy lot :P
 
haha
> You can create very large distribution lists that contain over a 1,000 contacts. However, these very large lists may not function as expected in Outlook.
 
(which means... Time for me to go home!) :D
@TomWijsman Lol 'very large' = 1,000? :P
 
> For best results, the typical number of contacts that you should add to a distribution list is between 50 contacts and 70 contacts.
 
4:09 PM
was that article written in 1980
 
> Article ID: 238569 - Last Review: August 29, 2011 - Revision: 8.2
 
lol
 
Oh, it's open again? Yay.
 
I've a distribution list here with 180 on, it fares well (outlook with non-exchange backend)
hometime anyhow, cya :D
 
@MichaelHampton lol were those comments deleted?
 
4:18 PM
@r.tanner.f A mod went through and deleted a bunch of comments.
 
:) I'm happy it arrived and fit
 
@Luke Nice :D
You look quite a bit older as well
Compared to your avatar ;D
 
and chubbier, but I can't judge, I'm ginormous
 
4:34 PM
Hi Tom, Thank you for your valuable answer. Tell me, if I them all in one text file separated by semicolon, will it be possible to paste them in To list of outlook? — Tejas 38 secs ago
the saga continues
 
so let's say his "6 million" is accurate and that he's not lying. and that you can store 200 contacts per distribution list (which itself is generous considering Microsoft's answer about 50 - 70). that's still 30,000 objects on the "To:" line of an email in Outlook.
 
@Luke Cool, I want a black one too. :(
 
does anyone think Outlook wouldn't crash sending an email to 30,000 different lists?
 
@allquixotic It's just going to take a very long time. :D
For the insertion that is, e-mailing is another time.
 
4:37 PM
so he'd have to split it up into 30,000 PSTs with 200 contacts apiece and (1) load a PST; (2) create the email; (3) send the email to the 200 contacts; (4) close the PST file; (5) repeat with the next PST file
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey this is DOABLE!!! just a bunch of for loops in VBScript! of course it won't all be sent until years after the spam company goes out of business, but it's DOABLE
 
@allquixotic I think they're better of writing a POP / SMTP program which they can sent a mail to in some authenticated way and then that program would balance out sending the mails over the next hours / days.
Just have to update the TO field, probably not even hard to write.
 
of course that'd be sane, but we're talking about doing this with Outlook
 
Perhaps up to half an hour in Node.js.
 
there are plenty of sane ways to do it but this guy is looking for "just" doing it the way he wants, details like performance and feasibility be damned
 
@allquixotic Well, he'd still use Outlook, but off-load the mailing by letting the program do it instead of his dumb client.
 
4:40 PM
"but I want to use the tiny red rubber hammer to drive spikes into the train tracks!"
 
Then do you know how many maximum amount of email IDs I can paste there together? — Tejas 2 mins ago
 
It's now tied for fourth most downvoted question on SU.
 
Srsly... >_<
 
Okay, if this were honest to God going to happen, how would you guys actually send between 6M and 60M emails?
 
first of all, just the sheer upstream bandwidth required to do that is probably going to exceed anything that he has since he isn't in a server environment
 
4:41 PM
Because I would personally just quit my job and go flip burgers
 
unless he only wants to send a total of one email over the entire lifetime of the effort, which would be feasible
but I'm assuming they want to do daily emails, maybe even multiple emails per day
 
@OliverSalzburg My Gravatar is from my College days... And that wasn't the best picture of me, I just wanted to show I got the shirt
@TomWijsman That's what she said
 
I guess if all the users on the mailing list were from only a handful of different domains the bandwidth required wouldn't be that enormous; the list of emails itself would be a couple megabytes and I think SMTP does support Gzip, doesn't it?
 
@r.tanner.f It's easy to achieve using Node.js or so, really.
 
the bandwidth skyrockets in the worst case of everyone having a different domain though, or even half the people... that's 3 million DNS MX record queries and 3 million SMTP conversations
 
4:44 PM
And for serious business, I'd just build a mail CDN and have them split the work; but hey, that's only if it's really necessary.
Like, digital tax mails and what not... And, sent the bill to the client. :D
 
or, you know, legitimate mass mailings like magazines, webinars, etc
 
True, but I suppose that's like 1/4th - 1/5th or so, so they can do it with one server. xD
 
Make that third most downvoted.
 
moar downvotes
 
I like how Grant's answer has just as many upvotes
 
4:46 PM
Thank u again Tom. You're awesome but I'm not! I don't know to write any such program unfortunately — Tejas 16 secs ago
Yay!
 
=O But he knows teh codez!
 
The comment about how he was only getting paid 20 bucks to do "this shit" got deleted. This is unfortunate, because it's an important detail.
 
tempted to put "that's because it's my birthday, and not yours" but that'd be lame
 
yeah he probably got hired on rentacoder or craigslist
 
They have Craigslist in India?
 
4:48 PM
there's this thing called the Internet, you see
it's a big connection of tubes where people can access one place from anywhere in the entire world
 
lol
 
I thought it was a truck!
 
It is, in a way. It just uses a super-highway with a maximum speed limit of c (the speed of light) and can carry millions, or even billions of passengers... up to 4 billion on the one with 32" tires, and up to 340 trillion, 282 billion, 366 million, 920 thousand, 938 with 128" tires
 
@MichaelHampton For the short time it takes to write such program, that's a lot of cash. But giving he has the codez, he's doing it wrong.. :D
 
Awesome programs don't come without a little learning, Node.js is mostly JavaScript which is pretty easy to learn the basics of... Example SMTP, example CSV, example POP3 or example IMAP. Now you only need to combine those and you have your application! :) — Tom Wijsman 7 mins ago
the problem there is he's going to literally copy and paste the text of the examples and then ask why it doesn't work
 
4:57 PM
@allquixotic Yes, but at least THAT can be laughed at on SO.
 
so we're setting him up to migrate to SO?
XD
this is an extremely well-engineered effort just to defeat a spammer and waste his time... I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth our time
 
I'm still enjoying the ride.
 
I could be answering other riveting questions with extremely well thought-out and researched questions and answers, and helping build SU into a truly global and generally-useful resource. Questions such as:
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Q: Booting Solaris from Hard Disk or USB..?

user1535580Does anyone know how to boot Solaris 11 form an internal/external HDD? I have already done dual boot form CD ROM. I just need to knoww how to boot from a USB Flash Drive and/or a HDD.

(please wear your sarcasm detectors)
 
I couldn't resist commenting again on that one.
 
the mail one?
 
5:03 PM
No, the booting Solaris on a Mac question.
 
Oh... it's on a mac? I didn't even pick up that part. Wow. Hahahaha
 
You guys want this shiny new question? Never used, mint condition:
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Q: Make D-Link router copy all packets to a specific port

n00b32I want to use a D-Link ADSL2 router/modem ( DSL-2640B ) to sniff all network traffic (for a security audit. I don't have time to scan all machines there and I want to know if they are quiet or sending 10MB/s of sensitive data to some location ;) ). There will be a net connection on LAN port 1 an...

 
@MichaelHampton How did you figure out it was on a Mac?
@MichaelHampton Because of ?
 
@OliverSalzburg He tagged it .
 
Booting Solaris on a Mac is like applying photovoltaic paint using gold as a conductor to a 1982 Dodge Omni
 
5:05 PM
I just assumed he picked every boot-tag he could grab :D
 
or like applying a coating of paper mache to a 2012 Bugatti Veyron
not sure which is more applicable
 
@MichaelMrozek 1 question to go please!
 
People usually suppose a dual boot on a CD ROM is harder to create than on your HDD. — Tom Wijsman 10 secs ago
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Q: Blank list of windows services

JoeRecently when I open windows services (always as administrator) I get a blank list of services: When I try and click on one of the empty lines I get this "Script Error" message: This happens over and over again, after several times I restarted my computer. I can't pinpoint exactly when this...

Heh, that's new...
Ok I will try :) — Tejas 20 secs ago
 
best thing to do about JS issues is to look at the source. although lol @ the idea that JS is used as part of the core OS
 
To be continued...
 
5:11 PM
you can probably use a dll inspection/hacking program to extract the resource from mmcndmgr.dll and view the JS and figure out where exactly it's crashing
 
Yay
I think that's the largest swarm I've ever been in :D
 
@HaydnWVN Not sure if it's actually illegal in all cases. Unless they're violating trademarks or committing fraud, I don't think there's much the authorities can do.
And I don't remember if that was the case.
 
what's BlackMesa?
aside from being a fictional place in Valve's games
 
@allquixotic It's exactly that. That is a HL2 mod that was released today. A HL1 remake.
Was in development for 8 years
 
is Valve selling it on Steam?
 
5:16 PM
@allquixotic No, it's a free mod.
 
oh, ok, cool
 
I was going to slap you around with a large trout (shamelessly stolen from mIRC) if you were pirating something commercial >___> but I should know better than to think that you would do that; you're a diamond, you have morals ;D
i may have to play that this weekend. huge fan of HL1
 
Wow. It's amazing :D
 
it's so nice of them to release it for free. this gives me memories of The Nameless Mod
epic free mods deserve a lot more attention than they get
 
5:31 PM
@OliverSalzburg what game is that?
 
@KronoS Black Mesa Source
 
I watched the trailer and am listening to the soundtrack, since I can't play it at work
 
5:43 PM
I'm really blown away. This looks extremely polished. Then again, it's only the first 5 minutes of the game :D
 
Rob
I can't wait to play BMS
I'm going home early
just to play it
I actually just repaired my vid card, too
I may have to reinstall steam
 
It's a dream come true :D
A few more screenshots from the ride at the start :)
Woah
 
6:19 PM
Over 50k now :D
 
Rob
6:39 PM
Bah, I don't have webui enabled on my windows machine. I -COULD- use a samba/cifs mount and download it from my linux machine ONTO my windows machine.
 
If your desktop at home is on, just download it to your Dropbox or Drive or something
Then it can sync its way to your hard drive while you're away :D
 
7:22 PM
the very backbones of the internet quake under the weight of 50k peers
wonder how quickly i could eat through my 10TB bandwidth cap on my server with gigabit upstream on that torrent
 
16k seeds now
17 actually. Wow
I wish I had more upload bandwidth at home
 
7:51 PM
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A: Multiple Wireless Access Points. SAME CHANNEL & SSID

allquixoticThe fact that the access points share the same SSID does not alleviate problems of cross-talk and synchronization. There are two types of "interference". I will term them "managed interference" and "unmanaged interference" for the purposes of this discussion. Managed interference is the "good" ...

 
@allquixotic Just out of curiosity, why didn't you upvote the question?
 
negligence. it's not that I like or dislike the question, just that I usually forget to upvote the question... if you look at my voting history, I upvote a ton of answers but very few questions... I don't know why, psychological something
I'll downvote a horrible question (though, more likely to vote to close) and upvote a question that immensely impresses me; but most questions fall in the middle and I just don't bother
 
> such as cosmic rays from space
:D
I feel like, when you think you wrote a great answer, you can often promote it by improving the question.
I'm still working on dissecting it :D
 
you're going to improve the question?
 
@allquixotic Tried my best. Do you want to have a go at it maybe?
 
8:00 PM
the simple answer to his "What kind of errors can I expect" would basically be that stuff is probably going to time out occasionally, and bandwidth might be severely constrained
but if the unmanaged interference isn't too heinous then the worst it'll do is just increase ping times and cause reduced bandwidth
@OliverSalzburg I didn't edit the question as I felt it was good enough after your edit, but I added more text to my answer and directly quoted the bulleted questions that you broke out in the question, and answered them directly using terminology and concepts that I had previously established earlier in the answer.
 
8:18 PM
@allquixotic Sweet. Very extensive answer.
 
I'm not a physicist, but I've read a lot about WiFi and let it distill in my brain over a period of years to develop what I think is a fairly solid understanding of RF and the basic problems involved and what we can solve with protocols and what we can't solve
I'm still rather mystified (overall) regarding just how damn reliable Verizon LTE is, though... I mean it's not as reliable as hard-wired fiber, but it's by far the most reliable "wireless" data I have ever used... the term "wireless" of course meaning data transmitted via RF through the air, not referring specifically to WiFi
I know about time-division multiplexing and the very careful spacing / ranges of the towers and the seamless handoff protocol and field testing and the increased building penetration of lower frequency (700 MHz) and so on. but it's still amazing.
 
don't do it, Gordon! don't push the cart!
i really, really want to know who the G Man is
@OliverSalzburg How does it differ from Half Life: Source?
 
@allquixotic It's a whole new game
They re-used nothing. You only need the Source SDK to play it.
None of the original content is referenced.
 
and with HL: Source it is?
 
8:32 PM
With HL:Source they just exported the maps for the new engine and threw in some high-poly models.
It was a disappointment
 
is Valve cool with this thing?
 
@allquixotic Apparently so
In the early development phase several years ago, the topic came up and Valve said, as I recollect, "Go with it".
 
How the holy hell am I supposed to support someone who can't make it to google.com? >_>
 
@r.tanner.f too dumb or no internet?
 
9:03 PM
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A: I am confused with the output of command 'du' in Linux

Kam AggarwalYou may find the following post useful to get rid of this confusion http://www.thegeekscope.com/linux-du-command-to-find-disc-space-usage/

 
@allquixotic Can't find the address bar. Kept typing things in to the random search toolbars. Took an hour to remote in.
 
ಠ_ಠ question's been answered adequately for a long time, a guy with 1 rep comes in and posts a link. flag?
 
9:21 PM
It's his website that he linked to.
 
lame
"lol i want to promote my website so i'm gonna go to long-solved questions on SU and post answers pointing to my site"
.........really, people. use your brain
ah, nice, it was deleted
so was the user xD
 
That terrible Outlook question got another upvote. And it got me a gold badge. AND, one of our SF regulars is trying to reproduce it in his lab. The early results are interesting. He managed to take down his whole VMware host, the Active Directory, and a bunch of other stuff just by trying to import a large CSV into Outlook.
 
he took down his entire host? the HOST? not just the GUEST?
 
Yes, the whole HOST.
 
wtf
how is that even possible
resource exhaustion?
 
9:28 PM
We're not sure. Last I heard, he was going to try it again on a non-domain box. But that was almost an hour ago.
@Tejas If you or your client really is a spammer, do let me know, and I will actually post instructions for you on how to do this. Loading only 25,000 contacts into an Outlook client on a test VM has caused some pretty interesting and destructive issues. — HopelessN00b 49 mins ago
 
that really sounds more like a resource control problem in VMware, because in theory at least, VMs are supposed to be controll(able) by the hypervisor / host, so that even the most egregious resource usage can be stifled
the funny part is that the source data -- a couple million email addresses -- isn't all that big, is it? I mean, what, I'd be surprised if it surpassed 50 MB.
 
A typical email address is, what, somewhere between 10 and 40 bytes?
Let's say 25 bytes average, 6 million of them, 150 MiB.
 
But Outlook stores so much more than just the email
 
okay, 150 MB. but still. server-grade hardware hacking at 150 MB, even if it did some kind of n^2 computation on them....
 
I really don't see the problem
 
9:30 PM
not the kind of thing that brings a box to its knees
 
Yeah, I'm interested to hear how this turns out.
 
It's already comma separated
Just copy & paste it all into the To field
Bam
 
@OliverSalzburg, pasting 150 MiB of data can take a while, too
and doesn't it have to check each entry to determine if it's in an address book?
to map it to a friendly name
pasting it is probably even more dangerous because the clipboard is a shared windows resource and I think Explorer.exe arbitrates it, so you could take down explorer if you flooded the clipboard... in principle... or the API call to put the data on the clipboard would fail, idk
but I hate Windows and even I have enough respect for Windows to expect that the WORST that could happen when pegging a userspace process in a VM is causing the VM to freeze up
but losing the host makes it sound like the resource usage was so enormous (and uncontrolled) that it caused some kind of resource limit DoS on the whole system
file descriptors? memory? hard to say
 
We'll know more later.
 
I wonder if the OP knew ahead of time that doing that would cause some kind of insane resource exhaustion and wanted to goad someone into trying it ;-)
the troll who trolled the trolls or so
that could actually turn out to be a huge deal if you're running a VMware based VPS service and let people run Windows on the guests, although I suspect that ESX allows you to hard limit resources
 
9:47 PM
 
Not bad :(
 
10:13 PM
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Q: Importing about millions of contacts into outlook

TejasI have a CSV file containing about a lot of email IDs(of the order of tens of millions). I want them in my Outlook. But when I try to import them, Outlook crashes every time. So is there any trick/shortcut by which I can get them in my Outlook?

This is now the most downvoted question on Super User that hasn't been deleted outright.
 
10:27 PM
Does that count as officially famous?
 
Officially infamous.
 
lol where did you share the link at?
 
/r/sysadmin - it's been at the top for the last 5 hours
 
11:19 PM
On the whole, it has been a good day.
Now closing out the day with a fresh pull of the graphics stack and kernel
 
morning
 
good morning @JourneymanGeek !
you missed the epic question of the week/month/year :(
 
for a moment I thought I was in the comms room ;p
 
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Q: Importing about millions of contacts into outlook

TejasI have a CSV file containing about a lot of email IDs(of the order of tens of millions). I want them in my Outlook. But when I try to import them, Outlook crashes every time. So is there any trick/shortcut by which I can get them in my Outlook?

 
contrary to the other popular belief, geek does need sleep ;p
My my...
the question is nefarious. The aftermath of the attempts at answering them hillarious.
 
11:24 PM
a lot of even more vile comments were deleted
at one point, the OP told me to "go to bed & sleep!"
@JourneymanGeek, downvote the q :D
 
alas, I am only a 20K+ user and and can't read that juicy stuff
actually, I need to see the reversal badge requirements first
 
lol
 
One person is close to it ;p
 
aw man i hope mine gets to +20
that'd be epic
i just gave Grant a +1, i think he is getting the Reversal badge
 
@JourneymanGeek Was already closed, but think my response caused Oliver to open it again or so. Dunno, was suprised to actually see it reopened; didn't though I'd convince him...
 
11:28 PM
LOL Grant got Reversal :D
 
what's the silver equivalent of Reversal?
 
There isn't one
 
Hmm, on my comment thread with him there:
> Please avoid extended discussions in comments. Would you like to automatically move this discussion to chat?
I don't believe a 1-rep user can be taken to chat, right?
 
lol, interesting point
 
11:29 PM
And well, don't want to bring him to chat either.
 
I'm surprised no one pointed out he's attempting to use a ball pein hammer to demolish a wall.
 
Just surprised to see the link there soon.
He surely needs a Mjolnir. (Just watched The Avengers)
 
@JourneymanGeek At some point in this channel earlier (but not in the question itself) I did mention it was like using a tiny red rubber hammer to drive spikes into railroad ties
 
or a totally mundane JCB ;p
Total headesk moment. I just realised the latest version of the software for my dad's old phone (which we use as a spare 3g modem) automatically exports to android phones
My lovely little hack, and half days worth of beating things into working are obsolete
/me does wish he could work out why the wierd little google maps build won't connect to the internet.
And I wonder how long before people from the old country stop using lakh and crore.
 
11:37 PM
Indian English is becoming another language nearly incomprehensible to those who don't speak it... which I'm not inherently against, it's just that it shouldn't be passed off as the same English as is spoken in the US/UK/Canada/etc... because increasingly, it's not
don't think it's an education problem, just that everyone goes around thinking it's the correct way and then they are surprised when people from other parts of the world go "huh?"
that kind of thing was easier to do in the past where cultures were insular and intercultural contact was rarer
 
but now... it's immediately noticeable on a global scale
 
and india does have a fair bit of contact with the rest of the world now
 
oh yeah, tons... lots of immigrants to the US (I work with them), lots of tech support outsourced, and many people connected to the internet who live in India... it's kind of hard to create your own language these days because you don't have ~100 years of insular culture to let it diverge so much that it's incomprehensible. the rest of the world calls you out on your changes before it becomes its own language
 
lol, its only about 50
;p
 
11:42 PM
gotta reboot; new kernel
 
singapore has our own varient, but we're pretty good at context switching
Just not always to english ;p
 
@allquixotic Get kexec, then you'll not have to say that. :D
Or well, if you might care, bootchart2 is pretty nice to figure out how things boot.
Helped me get the kernel down to a second and the part after that down to 4 seconds.
So apparently jurors aren't supposed to talk to the defendant. WHATEVER MAN I'M A SELF MADE MAVERICK WHO PLAYS BY HIS OWN RULES
 
@TomWijsman -- I'm not sure if just kexecing a new kernel is "safe" and "effective" for applying significant driver updates, particularly on the graphics stack! I imagine you might run into a panic instead
AFAIK most of the DRM drivers expect the video hardware to either be in the state it's in when the system originally boots, or the state it's in when resuming from standby, in the early instructions of DRM
but kexec is a fairly edge case
 
@allquixotic: I haven't had any problems with that, I'd guess you'll find out soon enough if a particular hardware device / driver combination has a problem with that.
So yeah, it might be a YMMV.
 
rebooting isn't painful on my laptop, though... it's the desktop that's a nightmare... the hardware RAID controller's firmware takes about 30 seconds to boot up, and there's exactly nothing I can do to speed it up... there are no settings, no nothing. I've updated the firmware several times and it doesn't seem to improve its initialization time
 
11:55 PM
@TomWijsman: some context to that tweet would be nice ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Exactly my thought.
Was he a juror? Was it someone else on TV? ...
 
Also I am sure, in whatever the case is its contempt of court, and the case would be a mistrial
not that we have juries here
 
I doubt Atwood could ever be a juror. They'd quickly find out that he knows things and disqualify him. You're supposed to basically be in a vegetative/reactive/highly-emotionally-influential state in order to be a good juror. Quality thought, reason, technical knowledge? Poof. Gone.
Anyone with IQ in excess of a chimp is immediately excused
 
Well, they don't know my IQ or background yet. Muhahaha...
Although yeah, a quick Google yields them the latter part though. :(
 
@allquixotic: actually, while thats how it actually works....
 
11:58 PM
Well yeah, there's the one part where they don't want people locked that haven't done things and there's the other part where they want people locked just in case...
 
@TomWijsman: well, we don't have juries here...
But the whole process of jury selection, as I understand it, would be to remove anyone who'd bias the jury against one side.
 
the only goal of prosecutors is to get you in jail, it doesn't matter whether you did it or not. no one except your own lawyer (and even then...) is really interested in keeping an innocent person from going to jail
 
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