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3v0
4:34 PM
how ignorant and self centered mac users! they want the OS+PC should just be designed for what they want. yeah how lame, some people actually need more than 1 USB port, and some people need active directory.
a typical defense of having one USB port would be something like " oh use wireless"
another great one is "fuck NTFS"
is it a coincidence that the majority of mac users behave this way
 
@3v0 I'm not a Mac user, but I have a tiny, portable USB hub I can use on the go if I need more than one USB port on a laptop/tablet with only 1 built-in port.
For active directory you can download plugins or third party software that will work just fine. We logged into Macs on campus (this was years ago) with active directory.
And NTFS is supported via NTFS-3g for years now, just download and install it.
You speak of things having to be "designed for (only) what people want" as if that's a bad thing, so surely you can't complain about the fact that you may have to go out of your way to bring up support for various technologies and protocols that are not even owned by Apple, on an Apple system.
I mean, unless your copy of Windows came with iTunes, ZFS filesystem support, and Xcode.... what I'm trying to say is, there are a lot of proprietary, vendor-specific things out there that it's difficult/impossible to include in the "base" OS, and every OS is going to have to accept that fact. You can't have everything configured exactly as you need it out of the box.
 
3v0
4:56 PM
im talking about only having things the user wants
it does not work that way
and I sure as hell am not ignorant about it
 
@3v0 I do not follow that. What has USB to do with network? Just plug in the damn ethernet cable
Or use a mini PCI-9e0 card
 
3v0
I dont just insult technologies that I dont care about
 
Network over USB would be a stupid way
 
3v0
I know apple has several things not everybody uses but its mac users stupid attitudes
some people need things others dont, thats no reason to say 'oh fuck that'
 
What I would love is a laptop ior a tablet with:
Monitor out (DP with MST, or 2x DP)
2+ USB 2 (not USB3) for booting from a pen drive and or adding keyboard and mouse (no need for more complex USB3 for those)
eSATA for external harddisks or pen drives
Room for 2 HDDs
and at least a 15" screen with 1920x1200
and Ethernet (100mbit or gbit)
 
4:59 PM
@3v0 It's an overgeneralization to refer to "mac users' attitudes" in that context. Not every Mac user is going to feel that way. And there are plenty of counterexamples where non-Mac users (Windows users, GNU/Linux users, etc.) are openly hostile to having features/functionality on their system that they don't use.
 
And docking station
 
3v0
yes but the majority do from what ive seen
 
@3v0 Fortunately, Apple doesn't listen to their complaints, for the most part. Your average Mac OS X installation is chock-full of useful features that probably 95% of users will never care about. That's a good thing; don't get me wrong. But people who see it as a bad thing are not going to convince anybody who's anybody to listen to them. They're just wasting their breath.
 
3v0
I would like better NTFS support in OSX and all I hear people saying is 'fuck ntfs'
 
Anyone who's even a little technically-inclined knows that having more features is better, even if you never use them.
 
5:02 PM
What I do not like on a laptop is also a nice list:
1) No floppy drive
2) No optical drive
3) No VGA out. It is not 1985, it is f-ing 2015. Use DP or for old laptops use HDMI,, but not VGA
 
3v0
having more features is not always better, look at windows longhorn
it was so bloated full of ideas they had to start again
 
@3v0 They didn't really start again. There wasn't enough time to do that. Literally impossible. They may have scrapped large swaths of code, sure, but the reality is that a lot of what started development with Longhorn got delayed until future Windows releases. Windows 10 is more Longhorn than Longhorn.
 
3v0
well ok but yeah
 
Vista was a severely de-scoped Longhorn, and most of the de-scoping occurred not because the features were bad, but because they didn't have enough budget to cram all that development into the targeted timeframe.
For instance, ReFS, which is just now starting to hit Windows Server (and isn't even the default filesystem!), was a Longhorn concept.
 
3v0
im not familiar with that one
 
5:04 PM
ReFS is supposed to eventually be Microsoft's replacement to NTFS, but they're very, very slowly introducing it, because they (wisely) understand that any filesystem takes about a decade of production use before it's really rock-solid.
People using ReFS on Windows Server now are helping Microsoft beta test ;-)
That way in 2020 regular users will have it on desktops
 
3v0
either its me or ntfs keeps mixing my file names and locations up
I may accidently be dragging and dropping or something but I doubt it
 
The truth of the matter is that ReFS is helping Microsoft play catch-up to ZFS. ZFS introduced, in the late 2000s through the present, a lot of very important features that filesystems need, which nobody else supported at the time. ReFS is taking ZFS's features and chucking them into a Microsoft proprietary technology that integrates well with Windows.
 
3v0
5:18 PM
is microsoft dropping backwards compatibility
 
so .. I was looking a this board: overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/…
and for some fucking reason someone thought: "oh, I have a nice idea - lets use MOLEX for the fan controller on a top-end mobo"
for fuck sake
 
@allquixotic Opinion: do you think that Microsoft will build a lot of the resiliency features into the ReFS, but allow regular non-ECC memory?
 
ReFS as in ReiserFS?
 
5:44 PM
No, the Resilient FS, what Microsoft was working on back in the Longhorn days, finally being released with Server 2012
 
oh
I actually remember that project
but I think it went by a different name
googling ... it was just called "WinFS"
 
3v0
network drives are NTFS too right
 
that's "NFS"
 
3v0
oh
 
Yay, my home brewn mead is starting to taste quite nice
Leaving it alone for another 1 1/2 month did wonders. :)
 
3v0
5:54 PM
I no longer save to network locations, only locally cus last time it told me the network drive was still connected, it let me click save but then it couldnt find it when I tried to open it again
so that was annoying
it was virtualboxsharedfolder filesystem
but may have been nfs instead not sure
it should prompt the user if a network drive is disconnected
 
6:10 PM
@CanadianLuke I think ECC memory is going to become common, to be perfectly honest. standard everywhere
 
You think so? Do you see the trends going that way already?
 
3v0
6:24 PM
windows explorer used to be a web browser as well as a file browser, they should have kept it that way
 
why?
 
3v0
because it was useful
now in firefox I have to download the file, click on the download arrow click show all, click open containing folder, try again because it doesn't always open it, copy the file from downloads to the desktop
so much work
firefox doesnt even go to the actual downloads folder
 
I'm upgrading the experimental instance to openSUSE Tumbleweed (rolling release). Some instability is acceptable for this machine. The production server will still use full openSUSE releases for stability.
Rebooting to complete the upgrade...
Done.
 
3v0
its easy
just put peanut butter on everything
 
6:44 PM
@allquixotic I wouldn't think so. I can't see a good reason for non-server consumer systems (even HEDT machines) to use ECC memory.
For starters, it requires an extra memory chip on each module.
 
7:33 PM
mm... but the benefits for data safety are significant; I think it'll start being rolled out into desktops soon
there are plenty of cases where we sacrifice a lot of performance, capacity, cost, etc. for data integrity in other scenarios
 
Destroy everything, it is an obligation!
Ah what have they done to Westwood...
 
Copy-on-Write (the core philosophy behind btrfs and zfs) is "inefficient". Checksums are wasteful of both storage and CPU cycles. Crypto has a lot of overhead. The security benefits of virtual memory come at huge performance cost! There were staunch opponents of virtual memory when it was first becoming a thing.
Power efficiency and responsiveness innovations originate in consumer electronics, then consumer PCs, and slowly propagate their way up to HEDTs, workstations, and (eventually) industrial server "big iron"; it just takes years.
Data integrity and security innovations originate in the enterprise market, and slowly propagate over to consumer stuff, but it takes years.
It's pretty clear to see an inroad for ECC there.
 
8:02 PM
good lecture about cults
 
3v0
8:23 PM
how do I connect to the DC with MMC after the pc is a domain controller with delegation
I dont see active directory users and computers in MMC
 
3v0
8:34 PM
nm
 
9:10 PM
> The security benefits of virtual memory come at huge performance cost!
What? I thought this was (and has always been) done in hardware or with hardware assistance.
 
@DragonLord Right, but that hardware, in terms of power costs, physical dimensions, complexity, design costs, etc. comes at a non-zero cost. It's not free. And when virtual memory was brand new, it was initially done in software to demonstrate the concept, and only then did hardware chips come out with it. But some people didn't want those chips due to the cost.
It's a small cost compared to much heavier things these days like virtualization and such, but it was huge back in the day.
 
VM was a huge deal when it was available in the early mainframe days (1970s to mid-1980s) as it enabled safe multitasking.
Well, I managed to import my local (Windows) LibreOffice configuration into the Linode and it worked without a hitch.
(I now have a separate instance for experimental "cloud desktop" stuff.)
 
3v0
9:46 PM
now my USB stick has been cloned to a subfolder
I did not do that
everything is fucking going wrong today
 
3v0
I saw the settings page like an hour ago and am bashin my head tryin to find it again
 
3v0
10:01 PM
yeah
I remember when I used to like limp bizkit
now im old and decrepit
 
Surely you can't be that old if you ever liked Limp Bizkit :P
 
I preferred Papa Roach & Guano Apes at that time
 
@tereško There's only like two Papa Roach songs from around then that I actually remember. Last Resort and Blood Brothers.
 
@allquixotic But it doesn't really matter?
 
3v0
10:38 PM
im 24 and that feels old
 
@MichaelFrank It matters some, but not as much as people originally thought, according to Apple.
 
3v0
Im anti apple
 
Fiiiiiinallly... after like a week, my domain actually points at my web server. :D
Oh, weird. domain.com sends me to my server, but www.domain.com lands me on a parking page from my domain host. :S
 
Bob
11:22 PM
@allquixotic Is that good or bad?
 
@Bob \o/ is a happy emote.
 
3v0
is eating a whole block of cheese bad
 
ooo dark theme looks lovely in here. :don't mind me, passing through.:
cc @OliverSalzburg
the only room it really fails in (that I can see) is Mos Eisley.
they have strange css.
 
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